Thread 96866072

Kasrkin Swerve Edition

▶Previous thread:
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▶News:
Balance Changes:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qstegrlb/kill-team-quarterly-balance-update-changes-inbound-for-overachievers-and-struggling-teams/

Space wolf phobos versus tau stealth suits
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zhqmtpi6/wolf-scouts-and-stealth-battlesuits-fight-as-quietly-as-possible-in-kill-team-dead-silence/

▶Official Key Downloads, FAQs and Errata
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/kill-team/
▶Rules Scans
https://gofile.io/d/AinK04
▶Boxed Set Rules Scans
https://gofile.io/d/NWRByw (deprecated)
▶Brief team summaries if you are wondering who to try out next
https://files.catbox.moe/rc8pib.png
▶Homebrew teams by a kind Anon:
https://mega.nz/folder/RedyyTTZ#hNv1fp2Yocqg536MozmbyA

▶Official GW KT app:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gamesworkshop.kt3
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kill-team-the-app/id6479447973
▶Game assistant websites (including rules)
https://kt3.albecortes.com/
https://ktdash.app/
https://wahapedia.ru/kill-team3/the-rules/core-rules/
https://th0mas-h0ward.github.io/ktc/#/tacops

▶TQ:
Which is your favorite 4+ armor save team and why is it Aquilons?

I'm about to start playing for the first time and would appreciate if someone could expand a little on the difference between Veteran Guardsmen and Kasrkin. Another player will almost certainly end up playing Death Korps, so I wouldn't mind trying something different for the sake of variety but I am just baffled by the number of warbands and kill team editions that are involved. While I would prefer something Imperial Guard related I am happy to play any human warband that is not too difficult.

Thanks.

TQ:

I have a soft spot for Navy Breachers.

I love the Endurant and Breach and Clear mechanics and how specialized they are for the Close Quarters Killzones.

>>96866282
Kasrkin are about keeping each other alive. Death Korp don't mind dying. Also, DK guns are 2/3 damage whereas kasrkin have bolter equivalents at 3/4

Anyone has a scan of Tomb World Dossier?

>>96866072 (OP)
LGS has a box of the Brood Brothers vs Votann.
I was planning on buying a Votann team for a friend for Christmas anyways and the box said it comes with 15 GS figures so I'm assuming it comes with all of the leader options.

bruv

>>96868085
pain

Ah, looks like work plus trying to update this image with the two new teams took long enough to let someone else make the thread this time.
I think I'm happy with these descriptions, but as usual the difficulty ratings are the hard part to get right. Do these seem good?

>>96866282
Veteran Guardsmen were the name for Death Korp in the previous edition.

If you want imperial teams, you are spoiled for options:

Kasrkin, Exaction, Navy Breachers, Sanctifiers, Ratlings, Starstriders, Inquistorial Agents, Tempestus Aquilons, and the aforementioned Death Korp of Krieg.

Of the bunch I think Kasrkin or Aquilons are the most straight forward. But just pick what you think looks coolest

>>96868106
Don't smile too soon, elf. You just know what's gonna happen to pic related when it gets reboxed.

>>96868018
Termination is a steal if they still have it - it has the Broodcoven and Broodbrothers sprues, plus the Yaegirs. Just keep in mind the cards and tokens are outdated.

>>96868085
Might not even get you the upgrade sprue.

I found a discount copy of Darktide TBG and it only has the basic traitor guardsmen sprues, no tiny upgrade sprue.

>>96868148
>no tiny upgrade sprue.
There was an upgrade sprue in the kit?
So far they reboxed Legionaries with the new sprue.

>>96868111
They seems good descriptions yes. I don't have much experience against Deathwatch but from what I heard they are basically perfect for newbies, with huge stats alone being able to carry them against a lot of opponents.

Its really impressive that they somehow managed to make Hierotek's kill op wording into ambiguous word salad in the new update.

Apparently GW even sent out a further followup email to WCW players with even more changes and clarifications that didn't make it into today's update. One would imagine those should make it into an faq shortly before or after worlds.

I'm new. What Kill Team do I get? Just tell me what to buy.

>>96868498
Do you want a big blob or a half dozen space marines?
Do you wanna primarily shoot stuff or fight stuff?

>>96866072 (OP)
>TQ
Novitiates, because no matter how old I get they stay the same age.

>>96868498
Get whatever you think looks cool.
Think the killer bug-people are cool? Vespids!
Think the totally not hydralisks are cool? Raveners!
Orks? Orks Orks Orks Orks!
You get the idea, look at the teams, you like one, get it, don't sweat.

>>96868207
Yeah apparently - probably can just kitbash it though.

Darktide only has the two large ones.

I'm new to kill tem, having played a few games some years ago.
Tell me, how are genesteslers ranked in game?
Also, I have a gelerpox infected team ready to be painted BUT I honestly don't see how the team could be any good, it just has melee operatives with little health.
Please tell me how to play the gelerpox because I'm at a los here.

Was there anything new in the balances changes that weren't in the pdf from a week or so ago?

>>96868498
Wreckas

>>96869752
Genestealre have two teams. one is pretty good the other lower middle, at least last month.
gellarpox tips... hide, distrakt gunners with vermin so your guys can advance, in very open maps ... well fuck, even gunners should not play these.

>>96868085

Holy shit. I have 3 sets(bought one, friend gave me his Moroch set after quitting hobby, and grabbed Darktide from a guy on FB marketplace) and suddenly feel like I'm sitting on a goldmine. I was going to save the extra traitor ogryn for Necromunda or something but now I'm thinking I should sell him on Ebay.

How do I am win as Kriegers? Krieg suck at melee and shoot. Cant shoot conceal spammers anyway.

>>96871536
Just keep using the Take Cover ploy every turn unless you're 100% swamped in melee. The survivability from that ploy outweighs any of the shooting buffs, which are all bad. Also always bring Sniper+Zealot and always keep the zealot buffing the sniper.

>>96871536
Your advartages are numbers, you are 14 and need to gang up or just play objectives. Spotter is your best friend, he is awsome.

>>96871723
This is the worst advice I have ever read. Siege warfare absolutely destroys any teams that have 4+ or worse armor saves.

>>96871536
Just switch to Angels of Death lol

>>96871536
Against a lot of teams you'll want to set up to grab objectives. That way, you force the enemy to engage into you, and depending on the crit op you might be scoring points immediately. Use your heavy hitters as backup to take out the enemy offenders and then retreat them to safety.
Consider dropping one basic trooper to get the siege warfare ploy for free all game. Accurate 1 is good, even better if you manage to stack it with a vantage point for accurate 2.
Also, take martyrs. It's giga broken, basically turning those mooks that die on the objective into one or two VPs for you each.

Catachan KT idea
>Jungle Fighters
a 12 man team of Catachan fighters. The first 10 are the standard battleline plus upgrade sprue, but the other two make up the Catachan Colonel and his Scoutmaster. Classic commsman, medic, two gunners, two knives guy, etc
Their team ability is that they can Flank enemies. If two Jungle Fighters are within 9 inches of an enemy and more than 90 degrees apart (convenient right angle measuring widget included in their tokens), they are Flanking that op. If they are exactly 180 degrees apart they get Super Flanking. Base flanking gives Accurate 1 but Super Flanking gives Critical Accurate 1 (Like Accurate 1 but a guaranteed crit). Some abilities benefit from Flanking and a strategy ploy can cheat Flanking in. To help with Flanking, they also move faster when on the enemy's half of the board.

>>96876306
Oh, also NO PLASMA GUNS. Plasma is for PUSSIES

Which 2025 Tac Ops are the best for Phobos?
I really can't get a good grasp on them

>>96876317
>the legacy of plasma dominance in KT18 still looms large over the psyche of KT players 2 editions and a complete rules-rewrite later
Fascinating.

Does anyone have any good examples of painted aquilons? I'm still undecided on how to paint mine.

>>96876853
I hate it. It's a must have in the worst possible way. It throttles team variations and makes certain choices inherently worse.

>>96876853
plasma is still usually the best and go to weapon, you just can't spam it anymore.

>>96876874
google is probably best way to find those.

>>96868784
>looks super cool
This one. You have to make these little dorks and if you want to get good you have to put enough reps in to learn your team and their interactions. Play something you are interested in, you will feel cheated otherwise.

>>96869752
Gellarpox has 4 beaters that basically stand up to anything in the game and each has unique weapons. It also has lots of bodies that let you stall and play points. The team is like 2/3rds of an elite team, and 2/3rds of a horde team jammed together.
>and its gloriously bad, its slow the hulks get bullied ,etc. but when it pops off it's just up there deleting space marines and hordes and so on.

>>96876853
Plasma still is the weapon with the best overall statline for any situation, what with its high damage, armour piercing, and no forced overheat mode. Unless there is some major benefit to a different choice (e.g. sanctifiers plasma vs melta where the melta gets a more useful bonus ability) the choice is still always plasma > everything else in every available slot.

>>96866072 (OP)
>Warp Coven is moved down to Five Marine Operatives.
Is this the end of six man marine teams?

>>96868085
This is why you should buy recasts and 3d print

>>96868135
Would these fit on 25mm bases if I cut off the rocks a bit?

>>96877071
I do not mind in a way, size it makes it easier to make two teams out of the 10 man boxes.

>>96877071
Unlikely. Warpcoven is clearly a special case with its sorcerers. It could probably use some reverts of previous nerfs now though.

Also reminder that when KT21 released, 5 man marines were the standard and tactical squad/chaos marines got 6 only because they were so much weaker. Comparing launch intercessors to current AoD or launch deathwatch to current is a pretty funny experiment, you can see such huge improvements in the capabilities of the teams.

>>96876306
I would rather see them as a more elite kill team. Like the 9 models elite maybe even 8. The whole team should be literally the top tier of the Imperial Guard and just call them Catachan Devils.

The whole point of IG is regular dudes against super aliens and demons, but this time your regular dudes are 80s action heroes (Dutch, Ripley, Rambo, etc etc). I want a literal Ripley model to go with the Already existing dutch and dillon ones.

>>96868085
bough out all the blooded kt boxes (2) at lgs 35euro each.

>>96877059
The balance goes something like this:

Melta gun - P2, Devastating but usually limited range or Heavy

Plasma - P1, great damage.

Heavy Bolter etc - 5 attacks, optional Torrent, sometimes extra rules like Rending, Piercing Crits etc. Always Heavy.


Plasma is the generalist, but the melta is better against high SV and Heavy Bolter just spits damage.

>>96878509
Usually I don't think range matters - majority of important shots will be within 2" where you can deny concealment and all that - but since gunners this good are so valuable, the ability to keep the gunner back in cover, bait an enemy out to engage, and then punish them with the plasma before retreating often is more valuable. The melta is a good opening sacrifice but the plasma is a more persistant threat (and against amything short of a marine, melta is usually overkill anyways).

>>96876874
>painted Aquilons
I like what I did. It's nothing fancy, but I'm happy with them.

Yes, I replaced the chutes with capes. Sue me.

Model posting some Legionaries

Is there any complete streamlined guide for shooting for smooth brains?, one that includes orders and line of sight and cover lines and cover and obscuring and everything else. I know it's all in the rules but the whole sequence is covered in different sections.

So far Kill Team has given us Ork Terrain, Imperial terrain, Tyranid terrain, and now Necron terrain

Surely Eldar terrain will be next, right?

>>96880744
Either Eldar or Tau. Keep in mind that in the meanwhile there could be a bunch of other Imperium releases.

>>96880102
There are a couple of flowcharts on r/Killteam

>>96868111
Asking again for feedback about this (again, specifically the difficulty rating) before I make an exported full version for next thread.
For boxes, it seems pretty clear - 1(red)/2 for deathwatch, 1/1 for canoptek. That is assuming that the standalone boxes for DW will be 5 man squads and the canoptek box will be just the full team from the box, which seems like the reasonable assumption.

>>96880843
Hopefully if they do go back to Imperial it'll be something cool, like new Death World terrain

>>96881252
>That is assuming that the standalone boxes for DW will be 5 man squads [...] which seems like the reasonable assumption.
I would not call that a reasonable assumption

>>96881406
forgot pic

>>96881406
The Tomb World boxset states that it contains 2 Deathwatch Killteams and it has 2 10 models in it.

>>96881252
I will honestly change the difficulty rating for Deathwatch to pretty easy. The limited number of operatives is not really a malus unless against a very skilled opponent that can capitalize on it.

Canoptek are also not that hard to play. They require a little positioning, but they have operatives that are very hard to kill or respawning so they are very forgiving, they are not Mandrakes where if you fuck up a teleport you lose half of your squad.

>>96881457
>>96881406

I of course meant 2 KT of 5 models each. Pic related.

>>96881529
ah well. I hope I'm right

>>96868111
>>96881252
Canotpek difficulty is:
Retard-Proof

Even a halfway-to-a-third-of-the-way decent player would pubstomp with it.

>>96881252
DW are 1/2/3, you need a third kit to make the third heavy (unless you magnetize)

>>96882436
I assume because you have two meat shields that can heal and delete enemies and a moving buff wall

>>96882436
>needs management of a slow-moving area to get their full stats, meaning forward planning and poor options for changing plans on the fly
I know they're gigabroken atm so you can pretty much obliterate everything but that's not what the difficulty rating is supposed to be about, right?

>>96883755
>slow moving area
>12" across
>on a 30" wide map
>can set it up halfway up the board TP1 and everyone behind it gets ceaseless on defense

Please don't be facetious.

>>96883904
It's a decently wide strip but it needs to be set up for ahead of time, if you set it up too far up your opponent will just overwhelm your position, if you set it up too far back you restrict your own access to the objective, and if you get things out of position it's slow to fix. Thinking over it again it does feel like a solid yellow rating is probably too high, but setting it as "retard proof" would necessitate lowering the rating of a whole bunch of other teams.

>>96881503
Yeah, they probably should be among the solid greens. The sheer simplicity of their abilities is actually unmatched and their playstyle is fun but straightforward.

200 hours in MS paint

Anyway, I just bought Blood and Zeal.
Hadn't realised how stupid the heads looked, so some 3rd party hooded heads are on the way.

I'm new to kill team. Is there a good out-of-the box loadout for these boys? Will obviously be makijng them before I play, and don't want to build them wrong. Couldn't find many recommendations online, but I understand they've had some nerfs, so what I've found may well be old info.

>>96885590
Sanctifiers can really benefit from some magnets, so if you're able to and willing to work with those I'd recommend it. It lets you switch out several of the more niche operatives each game as needed, and the gunner options open up too. I even managed to snag an extra body to use by converting another human model, and in total that one bonus preacher swap-in plus the magnets means I can field any model combo I would actually want.
If not, for a single box of sanctifiers, you honestly can choose a bit depending on your personal preference.
Obviously some stuff is mandatory, the operatives with unique bodies. You'd never not want to take the miraculist and assassin anyways, and the healer is nice to have when you've got damage resistance. It has always overperformed for me personally for some reason.
When equipping the gunners, the relics are really good, so you'll likely take flamer with relic and then pick the other weapon based on preference. Plasma is the team's only infinite range weapon, but melta hits harder and gets a relic to compensate.
You'll get four bodies that can be built as either preachers or specialists. I've yet to encounter a situation where I didn't want to have the persecutor and conflagrator, so I recommend those. Drill abbot and reliquant are more niche, so again it depends on preference if you'd rather have them or generic preachers that just have good weapons.

Hey friends, I haven't played since last edition (Orks Index 4 lyfe). What is the best Guard KillTeam to play?
Trying to start again from scratch and for lore reasons need it to be guard.

>>96888287
Define "best"
Best in meta? Best at being fun? Best by some other metric?
And define "guard"
Any team belonging to the imperial guard faction? Or does it have to be specifically guardsmen? Is building proxies for a non-loyalist guard-like team an alternative?

Now that the dust has settled, what is the general opinion on the tomb world terrain?
Is it just a reskin of gallowdark? Better? Worse?

>>96888287
Death Korps if you're cool and want lots of bodies (note you can proxy with Cadians/whatever regiment you like)
Kasrkin if you're a cuck/shitposter
Aquilons if you like scions
Ratlings if you're a faggot redditor memelord
Breachers if you're an NPC

>>96888987
>Now that the dust has settled, what is the general opinion on the tomb world terrain?
>Is it just a reskin of gallowdark? Better? Worse?

It's basically better Gallowdark under every aspect, including ease to built. It's so bad that I haven't been able to use Gallowdark since I got Tomb World, just because of thinking about all the hassle needed to built it compared to how easy Tomb World fit together.

>>96888987
>Now that the dust has settled, what is the general opinion on the tomb world terrain?
I don't know, all the people in the community that got the box have yet to finish painting theirs so I have yet to test it at all.

>>96888987
The scatter terrain is a big improvement. I've been using gallowdark with the scatter terrain from the expansions as a tombworld substitute and it works well

So Dead Silence next week.
Pro; Five Man Stealth Team is pretty cool, wonder how it'll affect 40k Stealth teams though since they've been multiples of 3.
Con; Apparently zero fucking terrain bits. Where's the Terrain, James!?

>>96881554
Sorry anon

>>96885234
GW disagree with you anon

This kill team contains eight multi-part plastic miniatures and is especially rewarding for cerebral players who can work out how best to plan their later moves – just as a diligent Necron Cryptek would.

>>96891739
I don't understand KT, are there variable point sizes for games?

I want to split this with a friend, he can keep the furries, I'll take the blueburries

>>96891739
This isn't one of the big boxes like the Death Watch/Necron was this is just more teams. I expect the preview will show a new box with Terrian that comes out before we get the SoB/Night Lords box.

>>96891964
Until now the small boxes mid season still had a few terrain upgrades inside them, this is the first time it had none.

>>96891964
To be fair, the Space Hulk got nice terrain bits with each release.
Probably just an issue of imagination failure.

>>96891951
No, there are no point costs
Each team just gets to pick a roster of operatives as listed in their rules

>>96892102
I already split the hive KT box, so I have the Vespids. This ten bug team is comparable to the five tau stealthy crew? Really?

>>96892147
The stealth suits are technically five plus two drones, but yup

>>96892147
They are technically a 11 men team because you also have the drone

>>96892224
>>96892186
7 and 11. Got it. Weird, so I guess every release is always balanced in this way.

>>96892147
>>96892259
Yes. Different teams have different capabilities and statlines, so the team sizes are balanced accordingly. Six marines is less than 14 guardsmen. But each marine can do as much as two guardsmen and then some.

>>96892259
There is also a counteract mechanic, so basically once all of your models have acted they get to do a smaller action if the enemy still has models

idk why people are saying the new kt is sparse, it seems comparable with old box sets gw put out.

>>96892914
Technically, i have no problem with a set like this (i.e. no terrain, just two teams), but sadly the price wont be noticeable cheaper, so yeah.. it kinda sucks.

>>96892943
It's 87€ compared to Typhon being 120€ and Tomb World being 200€

>>96892147
Stealth suits are pretty tough builds. They're likely going to be the equivalent of somewhat lower wound marines armed with meltaguns and super stealth abilities (going by the vespid stealth operative, it could be complete untargetability at more than 6" range when concealed, ignoring piercing, and cover saves becoming crit saves applying for the entire team). They can absolutely be the equivalent of a bunch of mostly unarmoured bugs.

>>96891739
Leather gloves on SM looks gay

>>96892943
It's 70€ with the usual -20%, so you get one more team for like 20€. And if you are not interested in one of them, you sell the other for 40~50€ and you basically got the team you wanted for 20~30€

>>96891975
The sanctifiers+goremonger box had the statue but it was basically thrown in to fill space

>>96892914
Even that has a nice bit of terrain.
I'm aghast at the thought that GW somehow might not have been able to think about designing anything thematic to go in a tomb, let aone something multi-functional enough to work on surface games.
Not even a centepiece for the teams to fight over. A power generation doodad, a Canoptek Repair Nexus, an ancient dais and throne.

>>96896772
>I'm aghast at the thought that GW somehow might not have been able to think about designing anything thematic to go in a tomb

I highly doubt it's because of that. Probably is because of supply lines or similar management things. If that was the reason they could have just removed the Tomb World scatter terrain in order to put it into a later box, it's even in separated sprues already.

>>96897179
Nah, no ships blocking the Suez canal this time, this is on the design team.

>>96897421
I highly doubt it's the design team that decides the content of multikit boxes.

Is there a scan of Approved Ops Pack 2025?

>>96900835
Wahapedia has them, but I don't think there are scans around.

>>96866072 (OP)
https://ktboar.ru/
Since GW took down battlekit, its been rehosted on a ru domain

>>96902034
Is this already dead?

>>96903308
Why don't you click the link and find out for yourself?
They weren't able to restore any uploaded user games/maps/etc, but otherwise its using the same site source as the original battlekit and works just fine

>>96902034
nice
hope they'll keep it updated too

Finally got to play my first game the other day. I brought all the terrain and rules needed for the full game but I realized pretty much instantly we would stick to the starter set cause damn there is a lot of shit to keep track of. Still was a ton of fun.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/9id9frjk/kill-team-dead-silence-wolf-scouts-command-mystical-storms-to-hunt-their-prey/
If these didn't have the stupid phobos calves I would be a lot more interested. The rules sound fun though.

>>96906305
"Oh boy, another castle team"
Area tokens were a mistake.

>>96910687
I was thinking that maybe the tac ops that force you into enemy territory to score them would be enough to counteract this... but there's only 3... (5 if you include plant devices and plant banner)
and they're spread around the archetypes meaning you're never forced to take one
also the two security ones are more like toeing into enemy territory as far away from danger as humanly possible
not great

So any reason I cannot use mk8 marines instead of primaris for Deathwatch kill team? I think I will

>>96911648
The one issue is the different armour marks. You need some way to differentiate between the models that are supposed to be tacticus, phobos, and gravis, since they have different stats. Especially the gravis ones, since they should have a larger silhouette and would look weird on a whole 40mm base.
But it's absolutely a good choice for how to make them. Picrel is how I added a gravis operative to my team, converted mostly from a tartarus terminator.

>>96911745
I'd argue base size and weapon loadout do enough to differentiate, but maaaybe phobos would want some more distinction

What teams came out in this edition? it startet with vespids and scions, i still remember wreckas, and the small halfling dudes, goremongers and priests, necrons n deathwatch and nids with servitors... did i forgot somethin?

>>96912373
Nope, those are the boxes (though servitors vs raveners was before tomb world). New one coming for pre-order on saturday also.

>>96912373
>>96912423 (me)
Oh and the space marine heroes series added the Strike Force Variel team. It's practically an Angels of Death variant that doesn't even get faction equipment, though some of the stuff it has could make it interesting.

>>96876306
I just use Ork Kommando rules, their rules perfectly encapsulate skulking jungle commandos who can rip out your guts

>>96912423
>>96912454
thx
oh right that strange one has no pdf so i forgot

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/tbox77lp/kill-team-dead-silence-being-visible-is-old-hat-redefine-stealth-with-the-tau-empires-new-xv26-battlesuits/

Did i miss something, why these technological advanced new XV26 have no jet pack.

Photo isn’t great, but I spent the past month painting my Wrecka Krew. Got them done last night

>>96913896
Everyone is always talking about Legion of the Damned but my man made Legion of the Kaboom instead
Nice work on the fire effects and colour choices

>>96866072 (OP)
Haven't played since the latest edition change, but apparently there's an active scene in my home town so I figure I'll kitbash the last few minis I need for a plague marine team once I come home for the Holidays. Beyond my minis what else do I need to play? I have markers and stuff from last edition.

>>96914224
Thanks anon, I appreciate it

>>96915387
Theres new equipment terrain pieces but whoever owns the main board terrain may already have those too

>>96916028
Oh yeah, I see those are options for equipment. I've got the barricades from last edition already. Are any of those physical equipment pieces worth taking often enough that I should try and kitbash some of my own?

>>96916788
Ladders can be quite good depending on the map, especially for slow teams
Heavy barricade and razor wire are more matchup dependent

>>96913129
Because the game doesn't account for flying units in the core rules, so they have to be put into faction or unit rules. And they probably decided that them also having bespoke rules for flying would be too excessive. Mobility is a lot more game breaking in KT compared to 40k.

>buy six 15mm Killteams for £30
>can't even build one GW for that
>>96913896
lovely scheme

>>96902034
YES YES YES;.

>>96917789
That would play on what an 9 by 11 map?

>>96917865
No idea, I always play on what I can get my hands on anyway. At that scale at varies between people I think. Same with ranges and movement, you'll get some that convert to CM, scale it and some will leave as is.
I like square boards so will work it out from there.

>>96911745
>You need some way to differentiate between the models that are supposed to be tacticus, phobos, and gravis, since they have different stats

Not really, the correct weapons and base size are more than enough

I miss them

KT tourney at my LGS this saturday who do I bring
>Vespids
mostly painted, just need some slight detailing
>Plague Marines
mostly painted, but I also played an elite team last tourney
>Canoptek Circle
unpainted, could slap on a quick layer of metallic paint
>Aquilons
unpainted, still don't have a color scheme for them
>Kasrkin
painted, but they suck
>Beastmen
painted, but they're beastmen
>Navy Breachers
mostly painted, got into a rut when working on them and thinking of repainting them

>>96918468
Aquilons, Breachers, or Vespids

>>96918327
Then play them, coward. Anyone who would refuse you a game because they're not the most recent models is a fag who wasn't worth playing with in the first place.

>>96918870
as long as base size fits and you can differentiate the specialists, that is. otherwise they are only hal fags

What would be the most thematic kill team to proxy/kitbash with Skaven? Hand of the Archon?

>>96919762
I've played against a wyrmblade rat conversion before.

>>96919762
yea genestealer cult is the most apropriate but chsos cult could fit as well

>>96920011
>>96920368
Thanks guys. Chaos cult sounds like a fun conversion

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mq6myfhy/stealth-and-storms-kill-team-experts-talk-about-key-rules-in-dead-silence/
More on the new teams. Absolutely nuts healer for the wolves, and if the battlesuits can get full seek easily they'll be a massive pain what with the
>shoot with seek for giga damage
>use ploy to switch to conceal
>suddenly invisible at ranges over 3"
that they could pull.

>>96866282
>>96868111
Looks good imo
Time to update our chart here

>>96919762
Ratlings

>>96919762
I would vote one of the gsc teams but I don't think they have enough melee vs chaos cult, and I don't think skaven have generic shooter troops to make up for it

>>96919762
There are a few good candidates (I agree with the ones already named by other posters). I'm playing around with the idea of converting some Skaven models to run as Blooded, myself.

>>96917789
15mm killteam sounds interesting. Is there a system for it, or is it just scaled down 3D prints and a unit conversion on the rules?

>>96921029
Stealth suits honestly sounds like a massive paint in the ass for shooting teams, but I haven't seen anything in the revealed rules that would stop them from immediately folding against melee.

Anyone watching the WC?

Brainlet here.

Do strategic gambits cost command points if they don't mention having a cost?

I'm looking at the Blooded and it seems harsh to make be waste one of my command points just to dish out blood tokens I had to earn in-game.

>>96923280
no ploys cost CP, a strategit gambit is like a ploy in that it's played before the round starts, but doesn't cost CP.

Can you benefit from cover and obscured at the same time?

>>96921029
>Plasma is a huge problem in KT18
>Here's a team that can take a fuck-ton of plasma
Sure wish my gun servitor could take a plasma cannon.

>>96924460
no rules specifically say you have to choose now.
Obscured is always better anyways

>>96924546
Who chooses
Defender? Or shooter?

>>96924551
defender

>>96924584
Thanks anon
Why thread so dead?
World champs going on rn

>>96924914
Who gives a shit about streams? We play games in this bitch. Get yo ass back to Netflix.

>>96924474
>Plasma is a huge problem in KT18
Speaking as someone who played a lot of that edition, the problem was less plasma itself and more with the games series of binary pass/fail checks for combat rolls and multiple stacking penalties for shooting making anything that wasn't absurdly lethal basically pointless. Boltguns, lasguns, etc were all pea-shooters that did nothing 95% of the time and that's not an exaggeration. You were basically forced into taking nothing but the absolute most overkill weaponry if you wanted your models to kill stuff with any degree of reliability.
Pic related: a KT18 boltgun.

Which of these teams do you guys think is going to be FOTM OP team everyone whines about relentlessly?

I can tell the Canoptek and Deathwatch whining is already getting stale and the chuds need a new target.

>>96925905
The Tau team obviously. People love to whine about Tau.

>>96925905
>chuds need a new target.
Its not the chud's fault GW can't write balanced rules you retarded tranny freak

>>96925905
I really thought the first sentence was good enough to warrant a response
The second sentence is pure bait though.
Have a (You) for your trouble
We don't know enough about the wolves but the Stealth suits being virtually uninteractable unless you're within 3" seems infuriating, even if they end up being undertuned and completely fold to melee as some are predicting

>>96925781
It was definitely further exaggerated by the awful points balancing. I haven't been able to find the end-of-edition numbers after all balance changes, but at the start of the edition the price for a lasgun-wielding guardsman with that 5% chance to do anything per shot (against other guardsmen) was 4 points. A space marine with a bolter that doubled those odds was 14. These were paperweights that could be counted on for nothing but holding an objective.
Meanwhile, replacing that lasgun or bolter with a plasma, a weapon with the perfect statline for scoring kills against most enemies without getting too overkilly costed 5 points. Pretty obvious why special weapons dominated so much when 5 marines with a good chance to one-shot most things were equivalent to 7 that could score maybe one kill per game between them.

>>96925905
Obviously the Tau.
Not onyl because of >>96926047 but also because they are going to play in an usual way so either they'll suck and people will wine about that, they'll be decent and people will wine about them being too strong because they can't just use the same tactics as usual to beat them or they'll actually be OP and the whining will be justified.

>>96924460
Yes, but not from the same scenery

>>96924474
Honestly Plasma seems like the lesser of the problems when facing wolf scouts. The fucking medic has a 4/5 9" piercing crits 1 bolt pistol, which is going to be better than a plasma pistol a lot of times because it can shoot twice.

How should I build my Aquilon leader? I really don't know what I'm doing.

>>96927362
depends if you want it melee or ranged strength, but Aquilons have the advantage that they can actually get into melee range unlike most horde teams

>>96927362
General wisdom says bolt pistol and chainsword. Chainsword is not going to be that big of a downgrade from power sword, being its equal in several matchups. Lethal on the bp meanwhile lets it more reliably deal damage to everything and the 8 and 10 wound breakpoints that 5 crit damage reaches are common.
That said, either loadout works quite well and you should let personal preference affect the choice.
Just don't build the carbine loadout. It has negligible upsides and big downsides.

For those still buying on the games workop website, $15 off code here

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Its missing one letter at the end ( B, C, D, V)

What are your hopes for the upcoming reveal?

>>96929707
KT is not going to be in the preview.

>>96929707
don't think kill team was listed but more corsairs

Painted some Marines for my Nephew as a gift. Sadly I won't get a chance to gift it to him since the trip will be postponed

>>96925781
Yep I remember my friend just doing the big combo of having his comms guy, heavy weapons guy, and all of their bonuses delete a guy every turn while most other guns were piddly and did very little. I liked the edition but it could be gamed really hard.

>>96929707
Maybe not this reveal, but I want a party of techpriests, like a seers' council but a bunch of different techpriests.

>>96921886
OPR seems to be where more 15mm pennypinchers end up
There's enough models out there to field most factions, albeit they'll look RTish/Oldhammery, especially infantry and supports. I'm torn between proxying and printing for centrepiece models.
pic semi related

Can my krusha boy punch enemy operatives into engagement range of my other lads? Rules just state that the model needs to be placed into a location where it can be placed and normally you are unable to enter enemy engagement range unless its a charge action

>>96932708
>techpriest congregation
>seer council
they need to make more command squad boxes like that, hell do it in kt as an excuse

>>96933686
They would make perfect kill teams too, lots of opportunity for specialized models and all that.

After seeing the community paint up the new tau suits to confirm it's not just the house style making a bad impression nope, they still look kinda fucking stupid. What was the idea with those helmets man?

>>96935118
>What was the idea with those helmets man?
It's the egg dome helmet similar to XV25. XV26 should just have been an upgraded version of XV25, and keep the XV25 name.

>You can't make this guy from the kit

Why though, the Pack Leader have a fist in his right arm anyway.

>>96939379
Pretty sure there is a left-handed knife arm in the kit, no?

>>96939384
Sword is left arm. It'd be nice to have more right arm melee.

>>96939406
Ah, my memory failed me then.
These guys seem pretty magnetizeable but that sure would be a pain to get done.

>>96933138
Based on a quick review of the Core Rules, I believe that you can use the Krusha to pusha one model into Control Range of another model. There is no hard Core Rule that states you can only enter Control Range on a model via the Charge Action (it is just that the other actions which move a model stipulate that you cannot end in Control Range).

Guys help
What do I do to roll better
In my game today I rolled exactly zero save results of 4 or more as breachers
Really hurt my staying power

>>96941568
Put your dice in an oven with the 6 side pointed up just long enough to where they dont start visibly melting
The insides of the dice will sink and make that side heavier and make the 6 more likely to hit

>>96932697
>I liked the edition but it could be gamed really hard.
I grew to dislike it a lot at the time but over the years I've softened up on it some. It's a perfectly serviceable "small-scale 40k" experience and it had some good ideas like the roster system, which did a lot of heavy lifting to balancing out games so long as both players were building competent rosters. I'd like it more if it didn't have so many trap options.

>>96942037
Wym trap options?

>>96942310
An option, typically a unit or a weapon, that serves no real purpose other than to be a detriment to take, usually due to poor balancing - basically something that is a "trap" for a less knowledgeable player to fall into. This anon gave a great example: >>96926626 if you're not familiar with KT18, you'd think a standard space marine should be a reasonable model to pick for your team, but they're so bad at killing anything it's basically just a paperweight for sitting on objectives, and it costs so much that it eats into points that could have been spent on an actually useful model like a marine gunner with a special weapon, making it a detriment to have included in your team in the first place.
Most miniature games that have a significant list-building component will have some amount of trap options because of the difficulty of balancing dozens if not hundreds of choices, but KT18 has a particularly egregious amount; while there were few truly useless units, the number of useless weapons has to have been at least 50% of the games arsenal, and that's probably being too generous.

>>96868085
where the fuck is that Wargames Atlantic The Damned set coming out? I've been waiting to make traitor guard for like 5 fucking years

https://mega.nz/folder/0a10kTyb#Kro6lhFGnt9hmfuJCT3BKQ
Now includes the Tomb World dossier and approved ops 2025

>>96943569
Thank you anon

>>96943569
As a newfag what should I download from this folder?

>>96943961
New to 40k? New to kill team? New to wargaming?
Probably the core rulebook

>>96943977
New to this edition of KT, I haven't played since about early 2022. I gather I should grab the 2025 approved ops too? Is there an errata doc I should grab as well?

>>96943999
You'll find the errata and rules for the teams on the warhammer community website
IMO you can never go wrong with wahapedia.ru/kill-team3/the-rules/core-rules/ as your main source and ko-fi.com/jamesandthegiantsquig/shop for printing out condensed team rules and handy cheatsheets
Both these sources are usually updated pretty quick whenever GW pushes a balance update

Is there any good stl for the tokens for kt? I could just make them myself but figured if they already exist it'd save me the effort.

>>96866072 (OP)
So did they ever correct that glitch that let you take 2 grenade launchers and 2 plasma when you mix a scion team with a guard team?

>>96945043
>glitch
this isn't a videogame, /v/ermin
and that team is long depreciated

>demolisha charges enemy plague champion first thing on turn 2
>does minimum damage to target, maximum damage to himself

wrecka krew is the best team it's hilarious

How do I counter Raveners? Guy at my LGS picked them up and he walloped my vespids and I want revenge

>>96945588
Stop playing Vespids.

>>96945662
you've got a point, my good man. I should play 1 of 30 flavors of space marines!

>>96945588
vespids do low damage and suck at melee, raveners have high hp and melee. only thing you can really do is use your movement and spam tokens near theyr tunnel so they think twice comig out at specific spots.

>>96946114
Thinking of rematching with gors and jumping the first ravener to get in proximity.

>>96939406
A space marine
Shitmaris
Phobos
Space wolf on top of all that.

I can't think of a less appealing theme/model/design/lore combination in the entire 40k range.

>>96945588
Win by scoring points.
Your drone should have LOS to the tunel on turn 2/3.
Play flank as secondary, move to the other side of the tunel for free points.
The sniper is your best bet to drop one revener with one shot.
Pick a warrior instead of the flamer.
Focus fire the targets one by one.
Stack all the possible rerolls + ap1.
Extra movement will be great to score.
Kill op points are not the focus just a bonus.

>>96945338

The plague champion always seems to get wrecked in games I've seen at my FLGS.

I've been thinking of picking up the wreckas when I have more money.

>>96946121
no experience with gors so no idea sry.

>>96928228
>No one claimed this for 2 days
Wow, thanks Anon, used it to pick up some Age of Sigmar characters

>>96868085
Reminder to 3d print and buy recasts

>>96948360
Wasted.

>>96952597

Kind of on that vein of thought
>The play offs for KTG world championship took 4 hours
Aka, it took two very practiced guys four hours to run a game.
>A game that I started playing partly because it promised fast games
Have the rules become too complicated?

>>96960550
>Have the rules become too complicated?
Always been the case. The game has a lot of fat that could use trimming to help get to the meat of what is at its core a pretty solid ruleset.

>>96960550
They are likely pre-measuring every potential move with millimetre precision to analyze all their options in those games.
When I play at my usual location, a 3 hour game is usually accompanied by my opponent agonizing over every choice for minutes trying to find some magical alternative solution. 2 and a half hours is more average. At our community's tournaments, 2 hours is the usual time allowed for a game. That's including time for game setup, too.

>>96960550
the pros autisticially plan out every turn before making a single move