Thread 96871204

Blue Shadow Virus Edition

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Thread Question: What is your favorite biological weapon/illness in Star Wars? Have you used any in your games?

>>96871204 (OP)
>TQ
Yes, the Rakghoul Virus tends to show up when i need a Zombie-episode. Also, if it counts, i've also used the Geonosian Brain Worms on a few occasions, as well as playing a character with GM approval who was infected with a Geonosian Brain Worm from the start. Nobody questioned why a Duros was running around with a Nantex and Sonic Rifle until we raided an Imperial Research Facility and i stole a Queen Egg they were experimenting on and buggered off with it.

>>96871204 (OP)
>TQ
I don't want to because you-know-who will start sperging

>>96871326
I always found it weird that Rakghoul victims magically transform in an instant into fully grown weird monsters who resemble nothing of the victims' original form.

>>96872044
It probably is literally magical transformation, since the Rakghoul plague is not a natural disease but a creation of Sith alchemy.

>>96871204 (OP)
Ahsoka is the worst character. Holy shit.

>>96872188
the worst? no, there are easily characters worse than her
her fanbase on the other hand, is as bad as the reylo's

ahsom does however, need to fuck off and die, sooner than later

>>96864500
They were mostly pretty fun. I liked the cute bounty hunter with a mask and a crazy droid and the cute smugller saving a prince.

>>96871204 (OP)
>TQ
Droch parasites are wonderfully awful.

Tangentially, I've wanted for a while to make a character who has Space Leprosy. Either a weird Force mystic, or a Rebel leader based on the Darkest Dungeon Leper.

>>96872188
The amount of seething she inspires makes me like her even more.

>>96871204 (OP)
Imperial Biohound

>>96871204 (OP)
I cannot think of the Blue Shadow Virus without hearing it in Nuvo Vindi's goofy-ass voice.

BLUE SHADOW WIRUS

>>96873581
The crazy acid trip about Stormtroopers was the best, but the rest were pretty good

Really liked the ship design from the ninth Jedi Visions episode

>>96874655
>Droch parasites
Hutts eat those as snacks. Literally, not metaphorically.

>>96875813
thats just a hammerhead crossed with the swordfish and bebop from cowboy bebop.

So, I thought the Mon Calamari Bulk Freighter in Visions was pretty neat.

>>96872781
t really depends on the era. Very early Clone Wars she was pretty insufferable, felt really horribly hammered into the Obi-Wan/Anakin dynamic, but by the end I think she'd won over the fandom rather handily so her earliest moments are overlooked. Unfortunately this Ahsoka who managed to win people over is a LOT different from the one seen later on. As Fulcrum she started doing the more mystic Jedi shtick which is basically all she is in her live action show.

The thing is while it's understandable that she would be different given how much time has passed and especially what she and the galaxy had to live through, and Jedi becoming more sedate and grounded in the mysteries of the Force is common (ANH Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon especially when he meditated when shields separated him from Maul), it's harder for her to carry on a show as the title character. She's not the youthful adventurous anymore. She would, I think, be well suited to be more of an Obi-Wan to Sabine's Luke, but it doesn't really come off that way very well and Ahsoka is still the titular character.

I don't know if I'm explaining myself very well. I doubt it. I suppose in short she's very different in each phase of her life, from kid sidekick to youthful adventurous to mystical guru. Transitioning fans to a very different version of a character they liked is always going to be difficult, and I think they've fairly flubbed it.

>>96876768
No, I think I follow you, anon. She has matured into the wise old master, but the wise old master archetype is rarely our protagonist, and rarely is it delivered effectively if that is how the writers choose to go. She would be a more effective protagonist in her younger, learner state, but we already got that in TCW.

Absent a phenomenal writer, what needs to happen is she trains an apprentice and dies, but for various reasons we won't get that, and so things will just get worse.

>>96876964
Seems clear she died at some point given her voice among the other dead Jedi in the sequels. Not 100% guaranteed since she could technically project her voice through the Force like Yoda did, but probably dead. If not she'd be pretty ancient, and I don't think anyone is clamoring for Grannysoka.

I wouldn't put it past Filoni to make her immortal, however. What I mean is he'll have her transition to Mortis to become the new Daughter. He'd justify it by saying that this fits given she was brought back to life using the Daughter's energy, the fact that the Daughter's stupid owl thing keeps following Ahsoka around, and her dynamic with Anakin who will probably be the new Father keeping the balance. This brings them full circle to the Father's original intention for Anakin to take his place in the original Mortis arc. They'll claim it's pottery, but I think it's a rather sloppy rhyme. Not sure who the new Son would be, but bonus points if it turns out to be Maul of all people. Turns out he survived - again - only to become a celestial Force figure. Also because Sam Witwer voiced both the Son and Maul.

I'm not advocating this, I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past the wolfman.

>>96877203
inb4 they somehow come up with an evil clone of Luke

>>96876768
the problem with ahsoka is that she's rarely been the primary protagonist, and when she has it's been mostly forgettable
all of her "good" episodes usually involve another TCW main character

ahsoka has not gotten the character development needed to be a protagonist on her own, which makes sense because she was always a secondary main character to anakin and obi-wan, and they repeat this in rebels with her being second to the ghost crew

so now we start getting her pushed into the limelight and quite simply it doesnt work, she comes off as "boring" not because she's supposed to be this "wise jedi master" but because theres simply nothing there to begin with, and couple that with a writer who has barely written her before and you just get a mess
no wonder ahsoka (the show) needs to drag in the rebels characters, thrawn and anakin, because ahsoka simply CANNOT carry something by herself

she's this long lasting character that has fumbles her way into different eras and barely changes, I always see "ahsoka has the best character arc in star wars!" yet she just doesn't have one? her fanboys are keeping her afloat, and I think season 2 is going to drive a wedge and realise that both her, and filoni, truly are just shit

>>96877835
So, like Ventress, whose only good stories had her tied to Dooku and Obi-Wan/Anakin or Quinlan Vos, and all of her solo stuff was unbelievably terrible and bland dogshit, as proved by Tales of the Underworld? Retard. You just discovered the concept of characters having to play off of each other in order for the plot to function, congratulations on another incredible insight, ventressfag. Characters can't just be on their own, and relationships with other characters is what defines them.

>>96877856
notice how you've ignored every single comment that's criticism about ahsoka and filoni and you've directly and instantly gone for mine?
you're actually obsessed with me, no doubt about it now
you come into these threads to instigate this wierd one-sided parasocial relationship that nobody likes and we'd all be better off if you just left

besides, I worded that comment badly

>>96877891
Those other posts had interesting points of view and substance to them, I partially agree with them even, so I did not feel the need to reply to them. Your post, as usual, was just retarded, and demanded saying so. That's just how it is, buddy. Stay strong.

>>96877926
lying

>>96873581
>They did sequels to the Season 1 episodes
>No The Twins part 2
What was even the point of this season then?

>>96877835
>ahsoka has not gotten the character development needed to be a protagonist on her own, which makes sense because she was always a secondary main character to anakin and obi-wan, and they repeat this in rebels with her being second to the ghost crew
A pretty good summary.

However, Filoni needs his waifu to have her own show, so instead of doing the smart thing and making a The Ghosts show (or whatever you want to call it), we got it the other way round.
Not like it actually matters, Kenobi proved they are willing to just run the franchise into the ground and lose billions doing it for some weird reason.
>inb4 tEh mESsAgE
Nah, I guess it's just tax evasion by 'losing millions' of 'projected income'.

Theough the choices made in writing the stories are alse really, really bad. Like worse-than-RPG-module story arcs bad.

>>96878115
filoni's stranglehold on ahsoka needs to be studied
because he's a bad writer, she cannot get development, and she cannot get development from other sources (e.g comics) because filoni won't allow anyone else to write her, and even if they did, he'd ignore and retcon it anyway

quite simply, ahsoka is in a deathspiral of mediocrity with no way out, there is no way to fix it because of filoni being petulant child who won't share his toys
we can only hope for an executive to come along and demand he be kept out of the writers room and the character ripped from his hands, and if ahsoka S2 does the numbers S1 did with a potential movie on the horizon, I think that's quite possible

>>96877983
I'm really not sure where they could have gone with a Twins sequel felt like Hiroyuki Imaishi basically said everything he wanted to say about Star Wars in the First one. He was also busy with the new Panty and Garter belt season this year

>>96878144
It's easy to just blame Filoni, or KK, or whoever, but it's really systemic. Look at Acolyte and Kenobi, and BoBF.
It's like a slow motion trainwreck and all you can do is watch.

They had no reason to just fuck everything up.
OK, yes, Acolyte was probably always gonna fail because nobdy gave a shit about High Republic to begin with.
But BoBF and Kenobi? Two characters people loved in the OT AND in the prequels

And they just get wasted Boba Fett on Mando S2.75 and some almost unrelated idiocy.
And whatever Kenobi was, all Ican call it is a tragedy.
Honestly, the entire plot of Kenobi is worse than that of one of the Jedi games and the characters are all fucking retarded.
And they burned Anakin, Obi-Wan and Leia for this shit.

Time you guys realized Star Wars without George Lucas just plain sucks. It's a conveyor belt of endless slop for a franchise machine with no soul or personality. I love Star Wars, but I fucking hate "Star Wars" franchise and its fans, if you catch my drift.

>>96878180
I personally believe they jumped the gun aith BoBF and kenobi and that they'd be better if they were released now

>>96878198
what about all the times star wars has been good without george lucas?

>>96878359
It hasn't, I'm afraid.

>>96878362
yes it has

>>96878370
No, it hasn't. To say otherwise is to reveal your own ignorance and admitting that you are a franchise cattle consumer that never understood what made Star Wars a phenomenon in the first place. All of that other shit is irrelevant, derivative and bad, most of it is forgotten, what is considered the current fad of the year like Andor will be forgotten as well - it already is. None of that shit has any staying power, no lasting impact, it's just corporate franchise "content", it's not art, because it fundamentally lacks soul and personality, it lacks purpose, because it is an imitation that merely exploits the setting and cannibalizes it. That is the mistake of viewing Star Wars through the lens of an IP, a franchise, and not understanding that it was essentially an indie project made by a guy, who poured his soul, taste, beliefs and quirks into it, and as any auteur work, it is inseparable from him. When you remove the auteur, you remove the soul, character, personality, intended purpose, VISION. Star Wars has no vision anymore. It can be described as a blind old man, who just stumbles every step of the way, falls over, and walks in circles. Star Wars fans don't understand it. They are a bunch of manchildren, who are cinematically and culturally illiterate. They are more interested in made up fanfiction masturbatory lore shit, because they are autistic in a bad way, when Star Wars was never about that.

>>96878144
And to make it worse, when he is in the decision making, and using characters he himself didn't create, instead of consulting with the authors who understand their characters, he goes for the surface-level interpretation with no regard to any other work.
Truly, Filoni is no better than Traviss when it comes to his pet characters, especially while interacting with other characters.

And that's why characters like Ahsoka or Ventress were always bland and will stay bland, and the writings for the latter is vastly inferior compared to what was before in multimedia project.

>>96878115
Pretty sure most things wrong with Kenobi can be traced to it originally starting as a movie, then being changed to a miniseries partway through, forcing them to add loads of padding and unnecessary plot elements to inflate a story that was originally going to have 90 to 120 minutes of runtime into a multi-episode streaming show.

>>96878420
Counterpoint: KOTOR and KOTOR II exist, and still show up high on lists of best CRPGs ever made.
But nearly every SW project outside the films has been either a tie-in that doesn't even try to say anything on its own or cheaply made genre fiction that may be fine for what it is but isn't particularly memorable or notable on its own merits (like the Thrawn trilogy and the X-Wing books are fun and competently written as far as genre fiction goes, but you'll never see them on the list of most influential SF novels of all time).

>>96878531
bait? ventress isn't bland like ahsoka
did you read dark disciple or anything?

>>96878590
>OLD REPUBLIC ERA IS VERY VERY AWESOME SARRR

>>96878531
Filoni didn't create Ahsoka. Lucas did, and he conceptualized Ahsoka and Anakin similar to what he did in American Graffiti with John Milner and Carol. She is a grounded, relatable, headstrong teenager, full of spunk and life, with bombastic personality. Filoni's Ahsoka, as seen in Rebels and live-action, is some kind of mysterious sage Gandalf character, who speaks in riddles, crosses her arms, sighs deeply and smiles knowingly. It is the antithesis of the character that was created by Lucas, and herein lies the problem: the lack of understanding, the lack of vision, losing sight of purpose. And while, of course, she couldn't stay a teenager forever, and no one would expect her to, what Filoni turned her into was definitely NOT it. Terrible casting and bland performance did not help either. But, of course, Ahsoka had served her intended purpose for the story before A New Hope, and she should have been killed by Vader or written out of the story. Much like a dozen other characters that Filoni dug up, they no longer serve their original purpose, their existence is now aimless, they are long past the point of their dramatic potency. It's just more franchise "content" with the characters you remember and once cared for, getting milked until completely dry.

Ventress in multimedia project was nothing but one dimensional villain of the week angry assassin. That's it. There was nothing to her beyond that. Lucas actually made her a three dimensional character, and she had a great conclusion. That is, of course, until Filoni dug up her corpse for no reason 10 years later, and made her bland and boring, existing without any purpose just to serve as a cameobait in shitty Disney+ shows. Which is another example of no vision, no purpose, and the franchise machine devouring itself and corrupting everything in its path. There is no integrity and artistic intent, just slop.

>>96878601
I did, it sucked.

>>96878767
ok, but she's not bland, she actually has a character arc

>>96878623
Yes.

>>96877701
Sidious had a cloning lab and Luke's hand from Cloud City, yeah, I wouldn't put it past them. I also wouldn't put it past them having more clones of Sidious roaming the galaxy. Not direct clones, inhabited by his "soul" or force mojo or whatever, which I guess is what causes the bodies to deteriorate. I mean like Rey's daddy who went rogue, got laid, and spawned her dumb ass. As vaguely as I remember that shitty movie didn't Ochi (of Bestoon!) capture them, left Rey behind with Pegg, then got drunk, fell in a sand pit, and died. Classic Ochi.

>>96878546
>Pretty sure most things wrong with Kenobi can be traced to it originally starting as a movie, then being changed to a miniseries partway through, forcing them to add loads of padding and unnecessary plot elements to inflate a story that was originally going to have 90 to 120 minutes of runtime into a multi-episode streaming show.
I don't know.
I mean, the whole Riva thing where she is ALWAYS ANGRY and SHOUTING because she is SO ANGRY? That was just badly written, wether it is in a show or in a movie.
The whole Leia plot, too. Maybe that was added in, maybe they switched from it being Luke to having Leia, it was just not good having a 9 year old there in the story.

And then there were a bunch of scenes that just left me asking 'wait what?, like the speeders appearing, the IMperial officer defecting, etc..
Also, the whole Fortress Inquisitorius sequence was literally worse then in Jedi Fallen Order.

>>96878788
Not really, she never truly redeemed herself and the "romance" with Vos was badly written.
Whatever talent or skill Christie Golden has, when romance or writing evil characters becoming good or good characters becoming evil, she creates some badly written slop, and the same happened with Warcraft.

>>96878625
Filoni can't write characters, and Lucas can't write dialogue with someone else making it sound good.

What great conclusion she had? Because whatever you want to say about Dark Disciple, "great" is not one of those things.
And let's not pretend that Lucas made things better, Grievous was far better in multimedia project than whatever Lucas did.
Ventress wasn't made better at all, and attaching her to Nightsisters wasn't for her, but to use her as a bridge to connect to return of Maul, who had a far better arc, and somehow still a well done ending in the Rebels, which had to be heavily influenced by someone else than Filoni.

>>96879273
sure, it may not be written the best, but by no means is she a bland character as she actually has a character arc and development (something ahsoka barely has) and shows emotion (something ahsoka cannot do) given that you decided to toss her in with ahsoka as "bland characters"

even the comment about
>using characters he himself didn't create, instead of consulting with the authors who understand their characters, he goes for the surface-level interpretation with no regard to any other work.
cannot be applied because her TBB and ToTU episodes were written by matt minchovetz, who was one of the writers for the original dark disciple arc, probably half the reason why the book actually gets respected by the shows

>>96878623
>Name something good that Lucas had nothing to do with
>Old Republic
>OlD rEpUbLiC! Everyone always says that! Say something original.

>>96878420
Everything you said does not fit with Andor as it has an author and an artistic vision that was very much respected. You say it's already forgotten but that's just you and your group of friends. It wasn't a series made to sell toys, they had a story to tell and they managed it.
By the way, if you're so against Star Wars original stories I don't even know what you're doing in this thread as RPGs are nothing more than playable fanfics.

>>96879768
>Everything you said does not fit with Andor as it has an author and an artistic vision that was very much respected.
>exploiting the setting and turning it into the antithesis of what it is for corporate overlords and their shitty streaming service is vision now
Good joke, anon.
>it's already forgotten but that's just you and your group of friends
Uhm, no. Literally no one talks about it anymore. It was a fad, and it faded away, alongside 150 other shows they made.

>>96879768
>You say it's already forgotten but that's just you and your group of friends
ntsa, but not a single person i know, interact with, follow or whatever seems to even be aware of the second season of andor, visions, skeleton crew or anything past mandolorian. anecdotal, sure, but I'm still a pretty big star was consoomer and its something i noticed.

>>96878175
What was he saying about Star Wars? The Twins just left me baffled when I watched it.

>>96871204 (OP)
I am getting ready to GM a FFG game. The party wants a ship like the Bebop that can carry one or two fighters. You guys got any suggestions that ISNT a wayfarer? They hate that ship.

>>96880212
nothing, he did all his tricks he did in Gurran Laggan and Kill La Kill in a 15-minute Short.

>>96880320
a Braha'tok I think lets you have fighters on it

>>96880339
That is way too many crew members. The party is like 5 people and 1 or 2 of them will be fighter pilots

>>96879872
>It was a fad, and it faded away
It wasn't a fad. How could it be a fad if it wasn't even popular? The show is done, was well liked by those who saw it and not liked by those who didn't. That's it. I was gonna say you sounded like /v/tards that says a game is forgotten just because there isn't threads about it everyday but since you even refuse to acknowledge the story just because it's in the evil corporation streaming you just sound like a sad little man.

>it was just a fad!
reminder that disney insiders said "he's not the andor guy, he's the ahsoka guy" in reference to filoni and the next lucasfilm leader once KK steps down

andor has shaken up how the internals of lucasfilm and disney have seen star wars, they need to be pumping out quality and not slop

>>96880320
you can clamp a snubfighter to essentially any light freighter in a dorsal or ventral sport, provided you don't have a turret there

>>96879341
And none of that changes that the arc that was put in the books is NOT well written.
Or that Ventress is not a well written character.
Just because you think she had a character arc doesn't mean it was good.
Just like Ahsoka more or less had a character arc in TCW, the issue is skipping over what is between TCW and Rebels, but that's a completely different issue.

>>96878809
It's one of those things that could be cool if they were well written, but Disney has proven that writing is not one of their strength.

And to be honest, it's a plot point they should have written set up pre-TFA and (maybe) worked into the story, but they had JJ and RJ shitting out their movies so there was fuckall background, zero coherency and we got lensflares, le subversions and 'somehow'.


To get to the acttual concept, it would have to be set closer to RotJ, in the Chaos after the fall of the Empire. I think, Disneycanon has the Battle of Jakku to mark this point.
We know Sheev had secret labs, so having one where he was attempting to clone Vader, himself and Luke would not be too much of a stretch. Boom, easy explanation why you suddenly have a bunch of Force users runing around in the galaxy right after RotJ.
Or maybe you want to do a timeskip to post-ST, to avoid that radioactive mess in the timeline.

>>96883132
If you want to look at it from that point of view Ventress' arc is more fleshed out than Ahsoka's.

>>96881832
Seconding this. Luke's xwing rode bitch attached to a hatch on the millenium falcon before.

>>96880320
An anon made a deck plan for a Cargo Ferry a few threads ago.
That thing is designed to carry a cargo container, and you could easily fit two fighters in a container repurposed to a hangar.

>>96883132
except it WAS good

Ventressfag ruined this general. What a worthless faggot of a poster. Only constantly stirring shit up and being as insightful as "no u".

>>96884123
Says the faggot while stirring up shit for no reason.

At least post something, like a waifu.

>>96880320
Be rich and roll around with a Gozanti.

>>96884471
I want to fly around with a Gozanti and 4 TIE Strikers.

>>96884471
Gozantis are only 200k credits.

>>96884471
A gozanti can be piloted by two people? Also I doubt any of the players will want TIEs

>>96885276
yeah they're medium freighters, bigger than the Millenium Falcon but still designed for small to medium shipping.

>>96885276
Yes. We see the cockpit/bridge of a Gozanti in an episode of Mando, and it's just a pilot and copilot, with an officer ordering them around.

>>96885276
I don't think you're stuck with TIEs, they carry AT-AT the same way and predate the clone wars by decades and were used by both sides. They're alround versatile shitbox freighters. You could probably attach most top hatch fighters in a similar way unmodified and almost certainly with minor modifications. There's probably a colossal selection of aftermarket ans spare parts.

>>96883956
>Dark Disciple
>Good
Pick one and only one.

>>96883586
Ventress wouldn't be made into a Nightsister if there would be no decision to bring Maul back.

>>96886553
>Ventress wouldn't be made into a Nightsister if there would be no decision to bring Maul back.
Yeah that was weird, but who cares as long as we get hot white skinned waifus.

>>96885746
>>96885276
The same kind of extendable docking arm that the Gozanti has was shown in Rebels being used to dock A-wings to a CR-90, so it looks like this is a standardized style of equipment. The only issue I could see with using a Gozanti like this with docked fighters is that it wouldn't be able to land without first launching the fighters. While that's not a problem in its Imperial usage as a dropship or light carrier, it might be inconvenient as a party bus.

>>96886914
Just invert it, bro.

>>96885513
>get Titus Welliver
>put him in some minor role
Sad

>>96886794
Ventress being given hair was the worst thing that happened to her design.
Rattataki are superior species.

>>96886553
i'm talking about her character arc not dark disciple itself, yes I agree it's a bit pants

>>96887225
the hair is actually alright (there are better styles) and she gets more fanart because of it because a bunch of artists cant/wont draw bald for some reason

>>96886996
That's pretty standard for Star Wars. They regularly cast experienced actors in bit parts.

Just look at Ep.7; they got Max von Sydow to appear in that shitshow, only to use him as a random exposition character who dies in the first scene he appears in.

Thinking of getting into legion. Can I use the new custom jedi cards in a rebel army? How does this shit work?

The sith species were the rightful rulers of the Galaxy. And I'm happy that they won't be ruined by any executive decision from a media company.

>>96880320
Citadel Cruiser

>>96871204 (OP)
>>96871326
>TQ
I luv' me Rakghouls, I have a pretty goofy bastard setting focused largely on the Trans-Hydian in 28ABY. A ton of corporate shenanigans and imp remnant stuff. There's one remnant in particular that's made up of old ISB brass Emperor worshipers that operates out of Thule in the Radama Void, they mostly fuck around and beef with the Devlikk on Ord Radama. They also recently started a low level conflict with a faction from the Gordian Reach, the faction started setting up shop in the old Sith worlds largely to do artifact hunting for rich Gordian patrons and are getting in the way of the Thule Remnant's attempts to find super spooky Sith artifacts. The only real powerful artifact they've sourced isn't even come from their raids on the Sith worlds, it was an odd creature sourced by a big game hunter. Funky Rakghoul stuff ensues.
Planning on laying the zombie stuff on my group once our run through the first Otherspace adventure concludes.
Yes the autistic incoherent lore stuff is mostly for me
>>96862146
Speaking of the Gordian faction

>>96887225
Ok, Baldie lover

>>96883764
Very badass to see anons recommend my bastard map.
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96735511/#q96794659
here it is >>96880320

>>96888625
>they've sourced isn't even come from
time to fucking kill myself

>>96886914
Something compact like an A-Wing might be able to be fit into the Gozanti's cargo bay.

>>96888625
Got a full pic of the waifu?

>>96887661
>Can I use the new custom jedi cards in a rebel army?
Not by the rules, so not in ain any tournament.
Still, at your FLGS, in friendly games or if you talk it out with your opponent before the game you could do it. It's not like AMG will kick your door down, take your minis and call you gay.
You could also kitbash the existing rebel Jedi into whatever concept you have in mind:
ANH/ESB Luke is a cheap Jedi with good shooting capabilities. People tend to think he is not very good, but I think he is pretty great for his price. Imo he is better off standing with his troop rather than charging in melee, only engaging in CQC when an enemy gets close enough.
Ahsoka is mostly a defensive Jedi who can either easily remove 1 cheaper unit each round or use her dodge tokens to lock down a dangerous enemy unit.
Jedi Luke is peak jedi performance. His goal is to charge in and turn the tide all by himself. With Force Push and Jedi Mind Trick he can very easily prevent 3 units from contesting an objective.
>How does this shit work?
If you mean the game as a whole, it's hard to summarize.
For Custom characters you take them as a barebones unit (Rebel cards on the top in pic related)
Then you have to slap a Doctrine on (bottom left cards) which gives them unique abilities when compared to named characters.
Then you can give them some equipment like a better weapon or armor (bottom right cards) .
Imperial and Rebel Officer/Agent are the most simple of the lot. Super Tactical Droid and Generic Jedi have more equipment options like special jedi training or special droid protocols.
Having tried the Rebel and Imperial Officer/Agent they are pretty cool but not as impactful as named characters which is a good spot for them to be in imo.

Wait how big is the Bebop? Is there any ship that size in Star Wars that can be piloted by one or two people like the Bebop?

>>96890777
I'm actually not sure. The Bebop is in this weird in between phase for Star wars where ships like it are either too big or ships that are the right size are only made to carry cargo and don't have any fighter capability.
Closest I can think of is the Ghost with it's shitty shuttle.

>>96880685
A shame they forced it to finish with only 2 seasons then, I would’ve loved more Andor Adventures

>>96890958
Might be the right size

>>96889424
Yeah but the A-wing sucks

>>96890777
According to the Bebop wiki, the Bebop itself is 145 meters long. Which puts it in the range of corvettes like the Raider and 20 meters longer than Corellian Corvettes like the Tantive IV.

But it is listed as a fishing vessel, but it's more like a huge refrigerator semi. Transporting fish from Ganymede to where it was needed around the solar system. The semi truck analogy works since it doesn't need too many people to operate and spends most of its time cruising on autopilot anyway.

Still, I'm pretty sure a repeated point about the Bebop is that it's barely keeping together as it is so undercrewed because Jet and Spike can barely feed themselves, much less hire extra hands to properly crew their ship.

>>96888642
You can't argue that Ventress look better with that retarded hairstyle, at least in that style of animation.

>>96890983
Wait for Disney to reveal he survived Rogue One.

"We jumped in the ocean! The blast went right over head."
"Wouldn't the explosion have boiled the water?"
"Yeah, but that just made it extra cozy. Also we found Gollum Guy there! Turns out he dog paddled to the beach on the wrong planet!"

Thanks, House of Mouse.

>>96890958
>>96891020
I like the Quasar Fire.

>>96891285
That thing is actualy pretty scary, it can carry at least 32 TIEs. Probably 48 if you really stack the launch bays.

The crew though. . ..packed in somewhere between engines and hangars. Must be a miserable posting for the TIE jocks.

>>96871204 (OP)
>tq
I mean, it won't be like, a main feature, but I'm going to have my party after they beat the Great Hunt be approached by a Sith Intelligence agent who will hire them to extract an imprisoned scientist on Belsavis that has knowledge on the Rakghoul Plague for work on a project to have better access to the vaccine as I have it that the leader of Havoc kept the weaponized virus for the Republic

>>96891026
Skill issue. The A-Wing requires but also rewards skill more than most other fighters.

>>96891053
>Hey guys, it's me, Rodna, Andor's identical twin brother who also works in Alliance intelligence but Andor forgot to mention me because he was too obsessed with our sister! Now I can hang out with Mandoman and Baby Yogurt and Disney can keep making money on my, I mean Andor's, likeness!

>>96891285
It's a sexy beast. I still miss the Pelta-Class. Dropping the concept art for the Rebels version early, people hyping for months, and it doesn't even make it out of the season 2 opening arc. What a goddamn waste.

What if Disney just splits the difference. Andor survives Scariff Base's destruction, somehow, but loses his memory and becomes the mysterious helmeted bounty hunter, The Andorlorian. Also starring rebuilt but only with the small number of parts that survived baby sized Kaytoo.

>>96891579
Considering that they went out of their way to show that Andor had a kid with Bix, I'd say there's a decent chance that Andor Jr. will show up in some sequel-era story. Hell, that may even be Ryan Gosling's character from the upcoming Starfighter movie.

>>96891670
>Diego Luna and Adria Arjona having a kid that ends up looking like Ryan Gosling
Those a some funky genetics at work.

>>96891705
Not any funkier than Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher having a son that looks like Adam Driver.

>>96891773
Clearly the resurrected emperor messed with his midi-chlorians. As a joke.

>>96891868
And a spare clone just in case.

>>96887661
Could proxy them as Luke/Luke/Ahsoka

>>96890385
This was a fantastic write up, thank you. I genuinely appreciate it.

Coming from a more narrative gaming background, am I understanding correctly that Tours of Duty use generic characters over named characters?

>>96889434
https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/77505005/#77505450
You didn't get this from me, you hear?
>t.Kailio Entertainments bootleg holoporn dealer
She's a Gamorrean to me

>>96893593
>Tours of Duty use generic characters over named characters?
Correct.
More precisely you have to use a generic character as your Paragon (think of it as your Tour of Duty Main Character) which MUST be included in every list.
You can field named heroes during a Tour of Duty game but you have to spend a resource called SP to do so.
If you like jedi I'd try to convince your opponent to let you play the GAR jedi knight in Rebels, AMG did say when releasing their narrative mode that the goal was to allow for a greater freedom to tell your stories, so it would be pretty cool.
To be honest before AMG showed their Tours of Duty rules I had considered organizing a Tournament where people can only use generic heroes, but could use these heroes in any faction (shit like GAR Jedi as Inquisitors in Empire or Dark Side Acolyte in CIS, Imperial Agent/Officer as organic Officer in CIS or Republic Officer in GAR, STD as Separatist Remnants in Rebels or Shiny new wunderwaffen in Empire, Rebel Commander/Agent as Clone Wars era guerilleros on either side) but I'm already having a hard time getting people to play Legion instead of AoS/40K, especially since Conquestfags and Legion-Imperialisfags are also trying to do the same.

>>96893781
I'm trying to gaslight my friends into trying it as they're split between 30k (marinewank) and 40k (bad game).

Where are you based?

>>96871204 (OP)
So, my favourite part of Star Wars are always the Starship battles. So, which RPG system has the best ship combat?

Why didn't u fags tell me unlimited was a fun card game damn

Bought the Darth maul deck today after a few demo games with a friend.

>>96895288
WEG is the least worst for fighter-scale, D20 is a mess of poorly-balanced dice buckets, and FFG is a horrific clusterfuck for absolutely ANYTHING that isn't PCs in a freighter-gunboat shitting on fighters from a great height

>>96893781
Could a tactical, anti-GW alliance be possible with Conquestfags?

>>96893825
Yurop.
>>96896114
That's what ends up happening. Though it's hard to get fantasyfags and SFfags to go out of their confort zone and I'm reluctant to get another mini game after ASOIAF sort of died to CMON's incompetence, even if Conquest's minis do look great. There is also no Conquest faction that really speaks to me, outside of the basic bitch generic human kingdom or the undead romaboos.
And to be honest Legion Imperialis is pretty interesting to play with a cool scale, I just can't stand Warhammer's visuals and lore

>>96896512
I considered getting into conquest, but I also only liked the Old Dominion. I guess the Spires are also okay.

I just found out about the Sathari from FaD. They look a bit too much like fursonas for my taste, but they got me thinking: Are there any avian aliens? I know lots of mammals and lizards, amphibians and fishes as well. Even several arthropoids. But nothing with feathers.

>>96900700
There are plenty.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Avian_and_airborne_sentient_species

Dead Thread

A pair of young Padawan girls retire to their shared chambers, sweaty from training.

>>96903934
Feels like every Ahsoka/Barriss story. Also, how many more years until more Barriss contant? Genuine question since Disney seems loathe to let characters die.

>>96904053
>Also, how many more years until more Barriss contant?
I hope it won't ever happen. Terrorists don't deserve to be redeemed.

>>96904053
she's a grandma now and pretty sure she's meant to be dead anyway
man those episodes sucked, what a waste of time

>>96903910
perfect for a dead franchise then

>>96903910
This thread's anons should play Legion/Shatterpoint/X-wing/Armada/Unlimited. Then, we'd have things to talk about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_smqCTiLFs&t=18s

>>96904523
>>96904559
I think it's fun watching them go off the rails literally every time they use Barriss in a story.
>old EU she's a padawan about Anakin's age, so Anakin being a rebellious teen for Obi-Wan can contrast to Barriss being a dutiful student of Luminara
>The Clone Wars ages her down to be Ahsoka's playmate

>very simple character arc in the Jedi Healer books, where she's just a true blue Jedi
>expect her to be Ahsola's Good Friend when she shows back up
>second appearance in TCW after disappearing for multiple seasons now has her as the terrorist insider threat character

>fate left unrevealed for years, assumption being she died after her trial or during 66
>tease her as a major part of the Tales of the Empire miniseries
>do nothing with her baggage Anakin now that she and Vader work for the empire
>don't even bother indoctrinating her properly so she obviously runs away
>time skip over a decade
>quickly dies so an even more minor character can have her own redemptiin
She SUBVERTS EXPECTATIONS every time she appears, it's like watching someone's fever dream they've tried to turn into coherent writing. With her track record an old green Mirialan will turn up with no explanation in the Ahsoka show as a tea time guest and have no plot relevance whatsoever, but it'll be inarguably her because she'll be listed as Barriss Offee in the credits.

>>96905572
>shows up old with no explaination in a 20 year time period thats not defined
>miralians live for a few hundred years
>fans have to make up some "force heal is draining her life force and making her age" excuse thats not actually mentioned in the episode

who wrote these episodes???

>>96905913
A retard. Many such cases.

>>96905943
no seriously, who?

>>96905913
Wasn't miralians having increased lifespan itself a retcon? IIRC originally they were basically identical to humans aside from being green and having higher than average rate of Force-sensitivity.

>>96906005
it is but i dont know where it came from

i remember tgere being some debate on the chick from the acolyte being 140 or something and thinking "well yeah, miralians living long is an established thing" but cant recall where its from

>>96906023
At least on wookiepedia the only citation is visual guide to Acolyte, which means it was a retcon of the lowest grades.

>>96906548
I think the point i'm trying to make is that I heard it before the acolyte, so I have no idea where people got this idea from