Thread 96892196

Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first decade, Gygaxian D&D, its more faithful modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.

Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended and taught by its creators from 1974 to 1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching metaplots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about: we'll be happy to help you get started. We also have two excellent beginner guides created by Anons with feedback from the thread, feel free to check them out for answers:

>n00b DM's Guide
https://pastebin.com/EVvt6P0B
>n00b Player's Handbook
https://pastebin.com/XALkXkV0

>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:
http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128

>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94994969/#95006768

>Previous thread:
>>96882395

Thread Question:
What's your favorite OSR-related piece of fiction?

And, considering recent thread events, a friendly reminder to all.

>Making the thread early just to try and exclude 2e

Why are you so obsessed with trying to claim 2e isn't OSR?
OSR isn't the nonsense you've put in the OP you've hijacked.
OSR just means pre-WotC D&D and related systems. That's why the OSR started not long after 3e was released, and not after 2e was released.

>>96892264
If you want to see something funny, he spent several hours on Saturday raging in the last /osrg/, flooding it with shitposts to get it to hit autosage.
https://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/96881801#bottom

>>96892196 (OP)
For me, it's Thieves' House by Fritz Leiber. Even kinda has a dungeon.

>>96892218
Thanks for warning everyone to avoid this troll thread.

>>96892264
>OSR just means pre-WotC D&D and related systems.
Not really. See pic related from the Player's Newbie Guide.

>>96892218
I don't understand why people keep spamming these threads that are about pre-2e D&D with 2e. No one spams the 3.5 general with 4e. Help me understand, /osrg/.

>>96892771
Don't respond to him for fuck's sake. He's been told over 20 times why his fables are all wrong, he's not discussing this in good faith, just trying to derail and maybe hoping the staff are dumb enough that he can trick them into baleeting the thread.

>>96892771
Yes, really.
The first posts about OSR began in 2002, two years after 3e was released and after the last major 2e adventures were published (with Die Vecna Die! transitioning Greyhawk/Ravenloft/Planescape over to 3e). The concern was that WotC, who held all the rights to all editions of D&D, would no longer print books or material for older editions, including 2e (which is largely compatible with 1e anyway). That was the start of the OSR, with people on various forums, including EnWorld, Dragonsfoot, and Wizard's own forums, trying to encourage an "old school revival" and even discussing petitioning WotC to re-release older books.

The OSR didn't start as a reaction to 2e edition being published and then sat silent for years. It was a direct response to fears that WotC would no longer print pre-WotC books. Trying to redefine what the OSR is and was JUST to exclude 2e is absolute nonsense and is easily disproved and disputed.

If you don't like 2e and don't want to discuss it, that's fine. That's your choice. But, you cannot deny it is OSR or try to stop people from discussing it in the OSR general.

>96892264
>Fishfag is already back

>96892930
>If you don't like 2e and don't want to discuss it, that's fine. That's your choice. But, you cannot deny it is OSR

>>96892771
>check my ass as a source
2e is OSR. Even if you tried to redefine OSR down to just 1e and games compatible with it, 2e is compatible with 1e.

96893003
I think you may need to read this. I hope you get help soon!
https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/articles/obsessions

>>96892930
Instead of getting upset about the thread posters defining their own general, join me here instead, friend! >>96893030
We'll have a great time! Go there and tell me what you think about Al-Qadim!

>>96893003
While 2e isn't OSR, I've been told that it is compatible with BOF/A.
Maybe you should start a 2E/BOF/A thread?

>>96892264
>>96892293
I think he just loves trolling.

>>96893211
2e is pre-WotC D&D. It's not the "oldest" old school, but it's still old school.
Also, you can suck on BOF/A deez nuts.

>>96893211
>BOF/A
Boracle of Feasons/Ages?

>>96893194
>>96893211
Don't bother. 2efag/Fishfag is arguing and bad faith and doesn't engage in any actual conversation about 2e itself. Instead, out of actual autistic fixation on the fact that 2e isn't OSR, he seeks to derail OSR discussion out of bitterness.

The 2e thread you created likely won't see much engagement beyond talking about Fishfag himself, but expect this thread to be spammed with shitposts from him in an attempt to get the mods to sage it. He's been doing this for at least about two years.

>>96893265
I would Deeze Nutz you but unfortunately the anon above you rumbled it before your reply meaning I can't under the Geneva Convention.

>>96893194
>>96893211
Don't bother. 2efag/Fishfag is arguing in bad faith and doesn't engage in any actual conversation about 2e itself. Instead, out of actual autistic fixation on the fact that 2e isn't OSR, he seeks to derail OSR discussion out of bitterness.

The 2e thread you created likely won't see much engagement beyond talking about Fishfag himself, but expect this thread to be spammed with shitposts from him in an attempt to get the mods to sage it. He's been doing this for at least about two years.

>>96893211
Or maybe 2e is OSR and you are dumb. If you are only going by the time it came out then pretty much everything that exist since OSR was coined (around the time of 3e) is not OSR as that stuff came after your retarded cut off date.

>>96893273
>>96893321
Yes, your boogeyman can be pretty much anything you want as he is just made up.

>>96892196 (OP)
My definition of OSR starts with a definition of the old school editions of Dungeons & Dragons, which I consider to be all editions before the trade dress change of 1983 when TSR introduced the angled logo, modules lost the diagonal band with the module code, and the hardcovers were refreshed with the orange covers. The trade dress cutoff makes it easy to visually identify old school editions.

Then I define OSR rules sets as any rule sets close to the old school D&D as defined above and produced in the years 2006-2012. The reason for the latter cutoff is that there are just too many after that date and the migration to Google+ was underway. Also, WoTC reprinted the rules at about this time so the need for faithful retroclones was reduced.

Finally, I do allow for OSR materials produced after 2012, but I limit myself to adventures compatible with old school D&D or OSR rule sets as defined above.

>96892264
>96892930
>96893003
>96893252
>96893322
>96893338
All of these posts are from Fishfag.

>>96893344
You probably should use a different term than OSR then in order to avoid confusing people. Your personal definition is actually closer to something like BrOSR.

>He's trying to claim he doesn't exist again
Funny how you don't exist but somehow you keep fucking showing up isn't it?

>>96893364
All your posts come from someone retarded.

This entire spectacle is just "fishfag" and his nemesis (the guy who spams "post play report/games") trolling and falseflagging as each other

the dice gods have cursed me.
Every single time I roll up a character, it's poor stats all the way down.
My DM has even said, "If your rolls are insufficient, you may roll up a different character." So I sat and rolled and rolled. Not a single character has a sum of modifiers greater than 0 after rolling up almost 20 different stat splays... Incredible.

>>96893401
>not accepting fate and fulfilling your destiny as the fodder or the underdog
Being cringe bro

>>96893449
The thing is that I'm actually going through and playing these characters, but I keep dying. I haven't had a single character live past a couple sessions because I keep getting killed, even when "playing safe".

>>96893344
>the old school editions of Dungeons & Dragons, which I consider to be all editions before the trade dress change of 1983 when TSR introduced the angled logo, modules lost the diagonal band with the module code, and the hardcovers were refreshed with the orange covers. The trade dress cutoff makes it easy to visually identify old school editions.
Honestly not a bad rule of thumb at all. Gives some false negatives but for a quick and dirty guideline it's solid.

>>96893524
>honestly
You really don't have anything honest about you, so you probably shouldn't use that word at all.
Your narrow definition is not OSR, but more akin to BrOSR, and is the equivalent of trying to define a genus by a species.

>96893549
>sage post from 2efag yet again

>>96892196 (OP)
>What's your favorite OSR-related piece of fiction?
Has any one read La Terre Mourante? It's a 2021 French translation of one of my favorite Appendix N works. Mnémos, the publisher, looks credible.

>>96893726
I haven't read it because I'm not a froggo but I will say I *have* noticed when searching for various pulps and S&S collections that these guys always seem to have a French edition out and the covers look great. From mthe outside it really looks like these guys are doing the frogatory community a big service.

Is there any good way to integrate the Traveller lifepath system into B/X? Obviously not to create crusty ex-military boomers between the ages of 26 and 54, but even just to add a bit more to chargen that isn't like ACKS and the stupid feats system. Something like a random background (I have a list of medieval occupations) and then maybe you got into a fight as a teenager so you start with a debilitation of some kind, or survived a plague, or something like that.

is there any point to this? or is it just so anti-OSR that it wouldn't be worth doing. It'd also be a good way to restrict and set out rules for a character "backstory" so no one can just go and write one and rely on DM fiat. And it would also mean SLIGHTLY more investment in a character, because to me, if you don't feel even the slightest bit sad at a level 1 character death, it just ends up being fluff to the game. I have a list of 20-something characters who died in my B/X game and only 2 of them are memorable due to random quirk tables.

Alternatively, anyone have a list of random quirks / traits you could add on to your character? Preferably B/X compatible and nothing too major.

>>96893753
I've thought of doing something like this myself but the wall I always came up against is that in Traveller what you generate is basically the PC's entire, permanent skillset. I don't think it's antithetical to OSR but I do think it's extremely hard to execute well without it either becoming "okay you age four years and you gain this situational +1 modifier to vertical – but not horizontal! – jumping" or completely taking over chargen to the point where you can roll up a starting character who's a level 4 Fighter/level 1 Magic-User but who only has one arm and low starting GP due to a stint in prison.

>>96893783
Yeah, it's an entirely different game philosophy. Traveller starts from an adult perspective where you're about as good as you're gonna get, and you have to fight the slow decline that age brings. They gave you a gold watch, pushed you out the door, and now you need to figure out what the rest of your life will be.

D&D has a young man's view of the world, where you have seemingly infinite potential, and it's all uphill from here. I'm not sure how you could ever reconcile those opposed outlooks mechanically.

>>96893876
That was pretty much my take on it BUT I don't want to discourage Anon, I'd love to see a system like that done well. Many of my favorite OSR products are ones that take a novel concept for a variant that requires hard work to get right and then invest that work and time in making it. Carcosa is a great example; if the book hadn't existed and anyone had suggested Carcosan sorcery as an idea, I would've said the same type of thing: I've thought about that too, but it would be really hard to execute well, would love to see it, though.

>>96893876
>>96893783
I think the difference would be to look at it in terms of growth rather than decay. But also instead of altering your stats, it gives you situational debuffs. Like starting with one arm would be very bad, but very unlikely, and yet on the other hand, perhaps your mother brought you on a pilgrimage when you were young and you were given a special blessing from a deity, which allows you a 50% chance to cheat death when you otherwise die. Stuff like that. Everything would be stuff that would happen before you were ~20 years old. None of it would give you a significant increase to fighting ability. Even something like being as lucky as being a mlitarily-trained or academy-trained professional soldier, would be worth something minor like, if you roll max on your damage die, you get +1 on your next attack roll, or something (though that would be biased toward using daggers). Or maybe weapon tricks, akin to what 5e recently added, but normally i have those as quirks you have to pay for to train, whereas in this case you'd have been lucky to learn, for example, using a flail to bypass a shield, or to trip someone.

>>96893273
>out of actual autistic fixation on the fact that 2e isn't OSR, he seeks to derail OSR discussion out of bitterness.
He doesn't actually care about 2e, he's only interested in disrupting conversation on /osrg/, and 2e is just a convenient excuse. His motivation is likely a combination of pseudopolitical and psychiatric delusion.

>>96893783
I love Traveller, and while I wouldn't necessarily call its character generation anti-OSR the way "AD&D" 2e is, at the same time it's such a radical departure that it makes it definitely not OSR anymore. Which doesn't mean you shouldn't do it if you and your friends like it.

>>96893957
So I think your risk here is falling afoul of situation 1: >>96893783 where the mods are so situational and weak they're effectively wasted time. Giving abilities like trips (which, reasonably, anybody should be able to do) is a particularly bad idea IMO.

Thinking about it for a bit, I wonder if the best use of a system like this in old-school D&D wouldn't be to generate ability scores in lieu of straight rolling. Say, all your stats start at 10 and then the typical result would change one or more stats either positively or negatively (or a combination), with some minority of results giving e.g. spell-like powers or negative outcomes such as maiming.

For spell-like powers I might suggest Melan's divine champion rules as a useful precursor; the way he has it is that the gods can grant one-time casts which simply stay "memorized" until used.That's something that you can hand out fairly liberally without being long-term disruptive.

>>96893753
>>96893783
>>96893876
>>96894125
One thing you COULD do while keeping it OSR is: When creating higher-level PCs, whether for one-off adventures or because you're following Gygax' suggestion that experienced players could create third level characters (citing from memory, I'm pretty sure it's SOMEWHERE in the DMG), create a random table in the Deck of Many Things style to start the player off with additional modifiers to ability scores, magic or special items, acquired mental illnesses, special henchmen, and stuff like that.

This would just be a simulator of what happened to the character between levels 1 and 3 (or whatever), so it would stay faithful to first decade D&D.

>>96894146
>Say, all your stats start at 10 and then the typical result would change one or more stats either positively or negatively (or a combination)
Or you could roll 3d6 down the line, and then the character generation procedure adds a few points to bring it closer to 4d6 drop lowest statistics.

>>96894156
That's a very interesting idea too! A system like this could be coopted to generate NPCs as well, specifying a certain number of rolls per level, or one roll for some predetermined block of XP. That kind of design would enable players to voluntarily opt to play a lower-level starting PC as well, avoiding the risk of bad outcomes in the backstory for lower abilities starting out. That would be similar to Traveller's lifepath system letting the player decide when to stop generating.

>>96894163
True, that would be another way to do it. Again I'd be worried that the changes would be too inconsequential for the system to seem worth the time expended on it, although it may be that I'm just overfixating on that possibility. Either way, lots of interesting possibilities here, it seems. I hope Anon manages to come up with something he likes!

>>96894095
Ironic crying about the boogeyman.

>>96893401
Did you try have someone else do the rolling of the dice? You can do everything else when making a character.

>>96893753
Yes, you could create a 2d6 game where players roll to see what they get as they muster out of the Invincible Overlord's service at the start of play. It *could* be awesome; whether it is OSR is irrelevant.

>>96894356
Will report with results.

>>96893753
>list of quirks / traits
There's a fuckbunch but honestly this one from here is one of my favourite.

>>96893753
Just thinking on lifepath systems and osr, if you haven't seen Beyond the Wall it has life path character generation as the players make their village together, the starting dungeon tie ins and such all at the same time. Its neat. Was made more for convention play so people could get into a highly contextualized game right away, more towards young adult fiction fantasy than pulp.

>>96893726
>Has any one read La Terre Mourante?
Don't bother naming the original work in its English name anon, just hide that you're asking
>Has anyone read The Dying Earth?

>Mnémos, the publisher, looks credible.
Book publisher that publishes books looks credible. Checks out.

>It's a 2021 French translation
Publishing information for the 2021 book says
>traduction conjointe Paul Alpérine, Michel Darroux et Bernadette Emerich. Traduction revue et complétée Sébastien Guillot

Paul Alpérine, Michel Darroux, and Bernadette Emerich all worked on translations of books in the The Dying Earth series that were published in the 70s and 80s. Some of the 2021 book might be new but it looks like the publisher reused a lot of old translations.

>>96895032
I've heard of Beyond the Wall, have the PDF somewhere, I will start reading it.

>>96894998
that could be okay but I was hoping for something more literal and particular instead of vague. But I will save that for some ideas for putting together my tables.

>>96895052
>Don't bother naming the original work in its English name anon, just hide that you're asking
I very much doubt that Anon was just asking whether anyone's read The Dying Earth. It looks more like what he wants to know is if any other frogfag has read that particular translated edition and if so, what they think of it.

>>96895742
Before anybody goes off on a wild goose chase like I did the last time this image was posted: This game doesn't actually exist, the image is just a mockup.

>>96896676
He may well be after people who have read that exact translation but writing just
>>It's a 2021 French translation of one of my favorite Appendix N works
is a deliberately opaque move when he could have added just three more words
>>It's a 2021 French translation of one of my favorite Appendix N works THE DYING EARTH
and made things entirely clear.

>>96896826
Dimension 6 gets all the good games.

>>96892196 (OP)
So is this thread also going to be plagued by subhuman nogames ESLs?>>96892264
HOLY FUCK
You are so genuinely brain dead that you can't fucking ever comprehend anything anyone says. It doesn't matter if 2e is a osr just like it doesn't matter if Shadow dark is, they're both off topic.
Fucking hell

Even if 2e is OSR, it is still the official role-playing game of the national lgbtq alliance, I'd much rather play something by somebody accused of being a Nazi

>>96897942
>the official role-playing game of the national lgbtq alliance
Wait what?

On another topic: OSRIC 3 was supposed to come out this month, any news about that?

>>96894348
Nah that's just you're posts actually

>>96892408
Good job finding your own lack of brain

>>96893003
Yeah and Shadowdark is osr apparently as well, do you want that in this thread?
Please answer
>>96893391
It's not trolling to ask someone to post even *one* character sheet as proof that they play the game in question.

>>96898023
>It's not trolling to ask someone to post even *one* character sheet as proof
I'm not posting anything that ties me to my actual life on 4ch are you fucking retarded?

>>96896826
It's funny how often the image does set people off on a wild goose chase, considering the mockup box set was made by a (German?) FLGS owner who put it in his store as a joke, but claimed that nobody ever took it out to look at it, even once.

>>96898023
Don't make me tap the sign. >>96892218

>>96896826
right in the feels

>>96898062
Wow, imagine being that afraid of doxing yourself that you think a character sheet from a role-playing game will somehow compromise you?
More likely, and almost certainly, you just don't play games.

>>96896290
>Yeah letting you in was a bad idea someone would say if there was any way to stop people from being here beside mods banning them
What is this actual ESL nonsense? It's so difficult to make out what he's actually trying to say when he gets all worked up>

>>96897987
Nope as I am not buthurt about 2e being OSR.

>>96897895
Shut up about your boogeyman, retard. You are not the boss of these thread.

>>96898336
You would have a better understanding of posts if you did not replace your eyes with muffins.

>>96898311
>will somehow compromise you
nigger that's just common sense
I know for a fact I play with people who know about and sometimes visit this board
so fuck off retard, try that most-likely shit with someone who is underage

>96898506
>Fishfag is an ESL

>>96898488
>>96898506
Yes you are and good job finding your own retarded posts up your gay butt

>>96899191
That sounds like projection, fagtard

>>96899026
>I can't post any type of character sheet because if I do people will find out about it!
You don't play games and you don't have a character sheet. Now kindly commit a violence suicide in public

>>96899051
>t. retard who found his own posts.

>>96899198
I'm only speaking your language, fagotron supreme
You're so gay if your head was up your butt it would be a dick

>>96899211
It looks like you are giving yourself surprise buttsex

>>96899210
t t homo ESL sitting on his dad's lap to reach the keyboard

>There's one over here posting his inane bullshit at the same time that there's another one over in the other thread doing the same
Guys.
I have to admit. I strongly suspect there's a troll that copies our village idiot in residence who might just be doing it to be a pain in the ass/for trollings sake.

>>96899229
Yeah, that is you and your dumb posts.

So, i'm planning to start a sandbox hexcrawl campaign with my group using B/X with a little AD&D1e mixed in it

That being said, i'm torn between which setting to play in, since i don't want to write everything from the ground up, but i also want some "meat" on it to fall back to if i need.

Any recommendations? I've looked into Mystara so far (Northern Reaches and Karameikos), but the world seem to be very populated and civilized for a hexcrawl game.

>>96899281
Go classic, use Blackmoor.

>>96899226
You're the only one that's getting surprised by it, because I'm going to rape your weak twink body

>>96899281
What are you looking for in the setting?

>>96899319
You missed and stuck your dick in your own ass.

>>96899273
Good job finding your own head up your ass looking for your posts

>>96899338
You only wish that so you can jump up my butt looking for those posts.

>>96899336
Good job looking at the mirror and seeing yourself dumbass

>>96899356
That just you looking at yourself again and seeing your retarded face.

>>96899327
I'm looking for a setting with wilderness hexcrawl possibilities/adventure and space for the characters to grow into it, but without needing to know 100s of pages of lore.

But also, i would like something with at least a little bit of meat for me as a DM, so i wont need to build the world by myself.

>>96899393
Take look at Dark Sun. That should give a lot to play with.

>>96899259
Again, >>96892218, don't engage. I agree that he's probably replying to himself, but if the jannies won't intervene, not adding fuel to the fire is al lwe can do.

>>96899281
I would always suggest the Wilderlands for a case like this. Unparalleled maps, plenty of modules, but also lots of free space for you to work in. And many OSR referees before you have run games in it that you can refer back to.

>>96899373
>>96899354
Too bad your butt is upside down and everything falls out of it from getting fucked by your dad

>>96899821
But I am not you or your posts, retard.

what spells or abilities would you give this thing?
It's a puppet made by a witch to serve her and protect her swamp/forest.
I want it to be a boss or mini-boss encounter, it acts as support while minions protect it, but aside from sleep spell IDK what else to give to it.

>>96899828
No you're a bucket full of dicks that fall out of your butt because your dad put them in you

>>96900051
Not everyone's childhood was like yours, retard.

>nuOSR fans be like: "OMG RPGs should be fiction first like in the good old days"
>meanwhile actual D&D players from the good old days: *playing a munchkin dungeon crawler with no regards of story*

>>96900217
Yes, the seeds of ruin were planted very early.

>>96900217
Real.

>>96900217
Those two things aren't opposed. "Fiction first" isn't to do with storygaming or theater kid stuff, it's about placing your character's actions up front, and the mechanical effects of what those actions are come after that, rather than the modern gaming paradigm of looking for an effect on your character sheet and then telling the DM you want to do that thing, and then you figure out what that looks like in-universe.

"Fiction first" is full-on Arneson, or Gygax when he felt like maybe the players shouldn't even be told how the rules work, you just have them tell you what they want to do and the referee will figure out what rules are invoked.

>>96900217
>OMG RPGs should be fiction first like in the good old days
No reason that has to be opposed to a mechanics heavy game. One blog I read described it as "The benefit of buying hobnail boots is that your character is wearing hobnail boots"
No need to note mechanical benefits, but they're more durable and you might get a few extra seconds when you step in acid or some shit, at the cost of people hearing your big heavy boots from a distance.
It's just a common sense thing.

>>96900586
>>96900614
Well that's a good point, but how would you call then a focus on story driven games and campaigns over having fun for following the rules?
Legit i've heard some people say they want no game but only do theatrics in the table and that rules should not really matter, and that's not OSR, it never was how people in the TSR played so no point in calling it OSR.

>>96900647
>how would you call then a focus on story driven games and campaigns over having fun for following the rules?
I'd call it not really OSR honestly.
The thing about OSR games is that they're games with a clear set of rules that players understand and, very importantly in my eyes, don't have a set story or campaign in mind.
The story is what your players are doing and their legend is the things they do in game. You can have a setting or elevator pitch, but don't go in with a mapped plan of what they're going to do unless they all agree on it/decide on a shared backstory.
If you go in with a story in mind you'll start bending the rules and pulling "Rule of cool" and then nothing really matters because it's no longer "real people in a real place", but rather "Protagonists in a story place", or, even worse, "Tourists in a theme park".

If people want to do just Theatrics, OSR isn't for them, OSR protagonists are do'ers, Fafhrd, Grey Mouser, Conan, Solomon Kane, ect. People who want to go places and do shit.

Oh and to circle back around to story/campaign vs setting/elevator pitch, one way I'd describe it is as follows:
>A campaign is a game where you tell the players they're all in a cult and you, as DM, have ideas on what they're going to do, where they're going to go, what level one will become high priest at, how they'll summon up their god, who their rivals are going to be, then play the story as it unfolds, making sure to adjust, but keeping things mainly moving forwards.
>A setting is a game where the players decide they're all going to be a cult and you drop them into a fantasy setting with some general details/ideas of who they are and then ask "So, what's the plan lads?" then play the world around them as it acts and reacts to their presence and actions.

>>96899970
Some sort of ability that grows roots from the ground to keep enemies in place
One use of counterspell
And a mimicry ability where it can copy any one spell cast within its sight (one use also)
Also some healing
Make it weak to fire

>>96899970
Are you limiting yourslef to cleric and magic-user spells or do you use the whole AD&D range?

>>96900742
That's pure gold, thank you bro.
>>96900756
Not at all, in fact I was even considering using the beholder charm spell or even making my own spells, which would be basically a save throw and an effect.

>>96900756
>>96900804
Maybe illusionist spells could be good too, but i've never looked into that. I'm trying with running a campaign with OSE and i'm a newbie DM btw.

>>96899970
a health pool thats a fair bit above the combined health of the party
during its turn, it stabs itself, damaging itself and the last player to damage it, like a voodoo doll.
so players need to tactically spread out the damage, while damaging it as much as possible on their own turns, so its a sort of battle of attrition.
if no one damages it, it just attacks the nearest target.
ofcourse dont tell the players this upfront, they have to try and figure this out.

>>96900804
It depends what your going for but here is how I'll try to make it weird:
As the custodian of the swamp I'll give her a healing elixir and make sure she never says a word. Players find her tending to some damaged tree or plant but surrounded by chaff monsters that will instantly turns hostile if they try to approach the doll.
If there's a fight she mostly tends to grow roots to entrap players while she come close to any wounded or dead monster and motherly feed them the healing elixir. If there's no wounded creature her priority should go to the damaged tree/plant the players found her tending to before.

It's not the most challenging fight ever but it will leave a chance for your players to feel bitter/sweet about their victory à la "are we the baddies?" (they won't).

>>96900944
Oh I didn't tell you the story I have planned for the encounter because I didn't think people would care lol.
Basically, my plan is the following: the party learns about a missing girl in a kinda secluded village, rumors say that a witch in the nearby forest kidnapped her. When they arrive to the village, the girl is indeed missing, but all the villagers are insane too. In the center of the village there's an odd doll. Basically what happened is that the girl was lured by the witches to become one of them, and so to enter the cover or whatever she was thought how to make one of those dolls, which slowly turns people mad through dreams. So the villagers serve the witches now. When the party learns this probably through a diary, the doll and some villagers will attack, and I hope they focus on the doll and don't kill the villagers. The girl can be peacefully convinced to return to he village, and I hope they do so.

>>96900932
Good idea, will use this, but maybe it just damages the party member if they loose a spell save throw? I like using those. But yeah that's probably more memorable than a charm spell.
Thank you guys! So helpful.

>>96900073
Good job deflecting reflecting and projecting your own posts

>>96900217
Great, just because you played wrong as a kid doesn't mean we want to play wrong now :-)

The "other" /osrg/ general is approaching bump limit, so expect Fishfag to move his tantrum over here for more attention.

>>96899970
>a boss encounter
>>96901030
>the story I have planned
You've fundamentally misunderstood how OSR games work.

>>96901088
Nope I just found you and your smells.

>>96901417
uhh let's just say that i'm using a OSE but idk how to run that kind of game
I just asked for ideas for a monster

>>96901518
Basically these games won't work well if you try to set out a story with a plot and so on. You're just meant to frame a *situation*, typically a large, varied dungeon that can be looted which is situated in a wild and hazardous overworld that the PCs can begin to explore once they have a few levels under their belts. You can read the noob guides linked in the OP if you're confused.

>>96901563
Again i'm not running an OSR style game, i'm just using that system. Are you suggesting I should change system?
In any case i'm doing a sandbox game, they can still go and do whatever they want and in fact I thought about the little story snippet as being a side mission they can pick up or not.

>>96901563
>>96901627
>You're just meant to frame a *situation*
Another anon jumping in. It's not like a "story" can't naturally form out of the game. Any story that somehow forms should be a result rather than the incentive or motivation. Entering a village, clearing it of undead, gathering the villagers, and storming the dungeon to take down the lich may not have been planned or anticipated, but it does make for one hell of a story to tell. Don't force it, is what I'm saying. Interesting developments will come naturally out of play.

>Are you suggesting I should change system?
It should still work out fine, but don't approach things like you're writing a novel.

>>96901650
yeah I know what you mean, I once played a game like that and is why I picked up OSR, the master used his homebrew but basically OSR, it was amazing because there was no storyline just adventure through player input, the master only had a map and the rest he rolled or improvised
anyways I don't think i'm that good at improvising to make a full game like that, that's the problem and why I decided to put some side quests in a big hexcrawl map, but no hand holding of course, I like it open world, yeah I don't like linear novel-games either

>>96901627
>Are you suggesting I should change system?
Frankly, yeah, I think if you're wedded to things like storylines and boss encounters you might do better with a system which integrates those sorts of concepts. If you put them in an OSR game the realities of the system mechanics may thwart your ideas of progression. That being said, from your later posts now it sounds like OSR may be a better fit for you than it came off as originally.

>>96901650
>It's not like a "story" can't naturally form out of the game.
Oh of course! No question about that. It's a matter of how things are set up, not what comes out of them in the end.

>>96901030
I'm the anon you were replying to. Quite bad etiquette from the other anon to barge in your reply to me and not states he's another anon. Specifically with a negative comment.

I've read your other posts and bosses are fine: it's what dragons are. Adventures are fine: it's what modules are.

That being said, anytime you want to populate a hex with a short event like that:
-Don't railroad your players there even if you're excited for them to play this part. You can always recycle your story somewhere else later on.
-Don't overthink a solution, let your players impresse you with their creativity.
-Make sure you gave them tools to do so by letting them buy or find esoteric stuff you can hardly think of any use for now: a hat that curse you with rabbit's ears, an iron spoon that never bends, a rope that strenghten when there's a corpse nearby...
-Make sure to develop most of the choice your players make to their natural conclusion. So if they "save" that girl for example, most likely the witches will be pissed and might try to retaliate on the village, the girl or the party. Developping an ongoing situation is better material than just starting another story somewhere else because they are already involved in it and it's the fruit of their own actions so it's unique to them.

I've read few OSR primers and they're fine. What you -really- want to read is ACKS 1st edition GM advice section. It's full of genuinely good ropes like introducing a rival party or making sure your world is built on the remnant of a mightier one so there's ruins to explore and powerful loot to find.

>>96902582
Oh no, don't even try to recommend that. Are you a sadist or something? It's just a giant waste of time for anyone serious about GMing, and written so clumsily that any scraps of good advice disappear in the meandering fog of lazy platitudes.
Having advice is not the same as having good advice, just like just having rules doesn't mean they're good ones.

>>96902675
It's ACKS shill. What'd you expect him to do, not shill ACKS?

I do like how he started his post being a Karen.

>>96902706
>>96902675

>>96893003
>>96893252
>>96893322
Yeah but 2e sucks.

>>96903688
Yes, of course 2e is the worst edition of D&D ever published, but that's unrelated to the fact that it also isn't OSR and is off-topic. Plenty of OSR products suck too, but they can still be discussed ITT.

>>96903688
You are doing all the sucking here.
>>96903732
Your retarded butthurt about 2e being OSR is off topic.

>>96903812
Did your troll thread fail or something? Why are you back here in /osrg/, where the OP makes it absolutely crystal clear that 2e is indeed off-topic since it isn't an OSR game, trying to troll about 2e?

>>96903967
Yes, it seems your brain has failed. 2e is on topic unlike your retarded posts

>>96902779
he is right though

>>96902706
>Wow ACKS shill style is really different today.
>Also he recommends the 1st edition and not 2nd.
>But it's still him because reasons.
Kek. Sorry anon, looks like he's owning your very soul. I wouldn't let him force himself into my body but somehow, along the way, you let him force himself into your mind.

>>96902675
It's been a couple of years but as a GM with experiences I found most OSR primers really mid. ACKS GM Advice part however got me stop and reflect a few time. Like, there's a whole section about meta-gaming where he compares PC to RC machines: your players have a right to be, let's say, a bargain master IRL and try that at the table. But at the end of the talk the dice decide if their ingame avatar manages to say this much or just babbled some shit while trying to. Maybe it's not much to you but I have seen these threads for years on /tg/ and most anons can't address this issue so the shit goes on and on.

If you're bored you can check the chapter for yourself and pinpoint to me advices that are genuinely bad. Meanwhile I'll stick to my first hand experience.

>>96902582
>What you -really- want to read is ACKS 1st edition GM advice section.
Didn't he port that advice to ACKS II?

>>96904640
I wouldn't know. I did read this part of ACKS 1, then browsed a few tables here and there and decided procedurally generated everything wasn't for me so I never bothered with ACKS 2.

>>96904660
Gotcha. I'll take a look.

>>96904579
Your style hasn't changed at all. It's just you being dumb and bitchy like always, and trying to hock a complete shit system at every opportunity, and always with describing the game like you've been handed an advertisement pitch list and never as if you're actually looking at the game and are seeing how bad it actually is.

>>96892815
People who played 1st ed when it came out are a lucky rare elite, while people who played 2nd ed or later versions are not and are lumped into all the other derivative copycat versions that came later. By moving the goalposts (putting 2nd ed in to the 'old school' category) anon can pretend he is one of the lucky chosen few as well.

>>96904981
The funny thing is that there are actually chuds who genuinely believe this satire.

>>96904676
Let me know if you need a free digital copy, maybe I'll still have one somewhere. Oh and come back to me if you read anything interesting or completely wrong please! Curious to have an honest discussion with one of the real poster here.

I crave for sanity. Scrolling these threads full of delulu paranoids is draiiiiiiiiining mate.

>>96905139
Will do. (Thanks, I already have it downloaded somewhere on my HD, I just skipped the intro as I always do and went straight for the rules.)

You won't believe it, but the fake /osrg/ thread has actually good advice on how to integrate Dwarf Fortress with ACKS to create a campaign. Check it out.
>>96905188
>>96905218
>>96905254

>>96905279
You're right, no one believes it, because it's shit advice from a shit game.

>>96905289
Dwarf fortress? I've never seen it get anything but praise here, same with ACKS.
Why does people playing games make you so upset? You could just be talking about your own games instead of pissing your pants when other people are

>>96904981
>>96905066
Except what is being said is factually correct.
The fishfag claims that 2e is the best edition, and that it's indistinguishable from 1e. If nothing else, this clearly illustrates how mentally broken he is.

>>96905341
Hey, I'm not the guy who spent 20 hours yesterday raging about how powerless he was and how people refused to listen to him despite all the effort he's put into gaslighting this board.

We've got whole threads showing how crazy you are. I don't think there's anyone left who would give you the time of day, and anyone that would even pretend to would just look like you having one of your puppet shows you're so fond of and happy to show off.

You mad. In every definition.

>>96905341
>>96905369
Samefag

>>96905369
? I haven't posted here in a week, I've been too just working. Mucho texto tho o algo

>>96905341
>I've never seen it get anything but praise here, same with ACKS.
That's actually funny you'd try to say that, because there's been several threads of people just tearing the game apart. Even when a guy made an ACKS general the majority of the posts were people laughing at how bad it is and how worthless the shill's attempts to sell the system were. For a game you imagine gets nothing but praise, it's gotten some of the most brutal beatdowns this board has ever delivered, and all because an ACKS shill would keep trying to defend the game and act like bad rules could be misconstrued as good.

There's even been whole tear downs of the mass combat and domain systems that showed how completely broken and nonsensical they were, something only idiots who couldn't read spreadsheets wouldn't immediately figure out, which is ironic because the game is marketed for losers who love to stare at spreadsheets. https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96569835/#q96584043

>>96905704
>ACKS lives rent free in my head
>ACKS I hate it so much!!!!
>ACKS ACKS ACKS ACKS
Pic related. But, seriously though, stay in your own fake thread and don't pollute /osrg/ with your spam.

>>96905780
It looks like a nerve was struck.
Then again, you seem to be perpetually upset.

>>96905792
>It looks like a nerve was struck.
>t. guy who's been losing his shit for a week solid because the actual posters of /osrg/ joined together and crafted a revised OP text, and is now trying desperately but futilely to shitpost it away in a sperg fugue
kek

>>96905704
Not interested in reading your schizo nonsense, thanks though

>>96905780
You're currently using the other /osrg/ as a place to display to the board what kind of shitposting you can flood a thread with when you are upset.
I don't think you have any sort of ground to stand on.

>>96905993
People are literally talking about their games, meanwhile there is somebody in the background screeching about "ACKS BAD!".

>>96906006
There's no one left who could believe you. You shitposted too hard.

>>96906014

K

>>96906006
Putting on a puppet show in pure frustration is pretty obvious when you do it, especially since you just keep doing it. It's like you can't even stop yourself at this point, despite knowing people are just going to keep remaking the thread no matter how many meltdowns you have.

>>96905993
>You're currently using the other /osrg/
Nope! That's a troll thread, I wouldn't bother with it. If you're getting shitposted in there, though, it's no more than you deserve – and probably the only sensible thing that can be done with a troll OP trying to pretend to be this thread.

>>96906027
>It's like you can't even stop yourself at this point, despite knowing people are just going to keep remaking the thread no matter how many meltdowns you have.
>t. guy who can't stop making fake /osrg/s despite knowing the revised OP text is here to stay no matter how many fake threads he makes and melties he has

>>96906027
Nah

>>96906054
>>t. guy who can't stop making fake /osrg/s despite knowing the revised OP text is here to stay no matter how many fake threads he makes and melties he has
The irony that you don't realize you should be addressing yourself is quite dramatic.
Might as well accept that the moment you finally give up harassing the other thread, it will return to being more popular than this "fake consensus" thread, as was previously demonstrated with earlier iterations.

You understand this. That's why you're hoping to shitpost the other /osrg/ to death instead of allowing natural competition to decide where the board is aligned.

>>96906085
>I'm not mad, you're mad!
>*proceeds to seethe his fucking ass off at the wrong person*
Okay but for real though, if you think this thread is some sort of doomed dud, get the fuck out of it and stop shitting it up – isn't that what you're saying others should do to your fake thread? Not very likely that they will if you can't even follow your own rules, don't you think?

>>96906150
We saw what happens.
When this thread is left alone, it slows down considerably, then you get bored and upset and proceed to try to kill the other one out of frustration. You've never been able to leave the other thread alone, have tried endless attempts to convince people that you speak for everyone, and generally have been a complete and total fuckwad.

And people are going to continue to make you mad. And you will continue to be mad, because a sane person would have looked at reality by now.

>>96906264
>You've never been able to leave the other thread alone
Jej, the irony.

So, absolutely no answer whatsoever then. Enjoy your thread getting shat on, I guess.

ACKS good :)

>>96906085
>rampant trolling
>"natural competition"
You're saying this as though you think your samefagging wasn't obvious. You probably shouldn't have pretended to be a newbie asking how to get started with B/X within 15 minutes of posting your OP every single fucking time if you wanted this to be credible, kek

>>96906328
Yep! It's a solid game. Not to my personal tastes, but I acknowledge the work that went into it and how perfect it is for those who want that type of system support.

>>96906378
I'm not the guy (or guys) who've been making those threads. I've seen the discussions enough to know that they involved multiple people.

You wouldn't be lying so hard or shitposting with so much effort if you actually thought people would arrive at the conclusion that you keep trying to insist is reality. You feel threatened by the other thread, and that's solely because of the position you put yourself in, where you need a consensus you clearly don't actually have.

>>96906500
yeah. what games are you playing btw?

>>96906500
>I'm not the guy (or guys) who've been making those threads
>t. the guy who's been making those threads

>>96906328
Proficiencies are FOE. Great domain play as long as you ignore all the spreadsheets.

>>96906694
I like the proficiencies. They never take up time, and they codify things that are very frequently used.
Plus, you dont pick your proficiencies, you roll a template and take the two listed for your template, ezpz.

Understandable position though, cheers!

>>96906500
>I'm not me, I'm a different guy!
Cool, cool. Then you should have no problem producing:

1) Your current 2e character sheet;
2) An explanation for why you HAVE to post about 2e in a general where literally every other poster hates it, instead of the dedicated thread for that specific edition.

>>96906784
We know for certain not everyone hates it, and we know for certain all of your efforts to lie about that are just a whole lot of autism.
I really don't get how you think flooding a thread is supposed to convince people of anything other than that you are a very dedicated and very shameless troll, and that kind of explains all of your activity on this board. Are you having misgivings? Or is it just damage control, along the lines of always trying to deflect the argument in some manner?

We've seen what you are willing to do in order to try and get your way. It's not a good look.

>>96906811
>doesnt post 2e sheet
>weasel pilpul for not posting in /2eg/
kek kysurself

>>96906811
This doesn't seem to contain either of the pieces of information that I requested! Please reread my post, and if you have any further questions, reread the post again.

Until the requested information is supplied, I'm afraid I can't help you.

>>96906694
Personally I like the proficiencies. Only change I've made is removing the cap. Yeah you get some naturally, presumably shit your character was working on in the background, but you can also train for them.

>>96892196 (OP)
Strict Time Records here. It seems that the consensus opening post has stabilized to the point that the pastebin can be updated. If you don't mind, OP, I've made a handful of minor wording changes to make it a little smoother (e.g. "content created specifically for use with them" --> "content created for use with them" - specific is already implied by being created for them in the first place), killed a comma splice and whatnot.

Been part of the thread for many years at this point. Nice to see people keeping its intended spirit alive.

Also, generic prompting for anons that if they have good content they want to see in the pastes, post them in the thread. Blogs, utilities, podcasts, whatever. I read most all of the threads unless on trips and will probably catch it.

>>96903732
>saying this when 4e and 5e both exist
nogames tourist detected

>>96908227
You should just label this the /BrOSR/ so people don't get confused with this thread and OSR.

>>96908276
Call your next thread the Fishfag & other assorted subhumanoids general and maybe we will.

>>96908276
That actually would solve just about every problem that's been happening.
Let the /osrg/ be for people who follow the commonly understood definition of OSR, and let the /brosrg/ be the guys who believe in there being a ONE TRVE WAY to play.

>>96908322
Or we could keep /osrg/ as /osrg/ and you could rename your splitter thread the "Faggots and troons special happy corner; now featuring Dante from Devil may cry"
How's that sound? Not a fan. Well shit, I guess we're at an impasse and all you have left to do is cope and seethe then.

>>96908276
There's even one guy who keeps saying that the /osrg/ is not OSR, so there's not point in arguing over what OSR means.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96860315/#q96881113
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96799302/#96805703
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95911468/#95923680
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/95911468/#95923527
...and so on.
If some people want the /osrg/ to not actually be OSR, then it's just going to be confusing to everyone. Just label these new even more restrictive versions of the OP /BrOSR/, leave the actual OSR to the /OSRG/, and everything should work out well for everyone.

>>96908276
>>96908322
>>96908416

I think we'll actually just skip your suggestions and tell you to fuck off instead, fishfag.

>We're at the point where Fishfag is begging the thread to basically kill itself so he can be right for once.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZ--fcguDY

>>96908276
wtf do you think BROSR even is, you fucking moron?
>>96908416
holy fuck youre stupid. can your esl peabrain actually read?
>also this isnt an "OSR" thread, it's /osrg/ much more narrow in scope than your usual venue, r/OSR.
yeah he btfo your third world retardation

>>96908389
>"Faggots and troons special happy corner
/brosrg/ would be much simple to put into the OP

>>96908532
>wtf do you think BROSR even is
https://www.enworld.org/threads/brosr.691184/
Here's regular people discussing it.

Here's some self-described BrOSR's giving their own personal definitions, with a lot of basic overlap but differences that indicate that there is still some variance in the exact definition of BrOSR.
https://jeffro.wordpress.com/2022/04/08/what-is-the-brosr/
https://jonmollison.com/2022/11/10/brosr-principles-a-primer/

Basically, if you want to discuss
>the thread dedicated to first decade, Gygaxian D&D, its more faithful modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them
>tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended and taught by its creators from 1974 to 1983

That's BrOSR, and not OSR as a whole.

>>96908632
and it has nothing to do with this thread

>>96908632
you expect me to take this reddit shit seriously?

you know you wouldn't have to keep wasting your days spamming the other osrg if you just renamed yourself as /BrOSR/

think about it
you can have ALL the consensus OP you want
you can have ALL the day to yourself, not solving capchas
you will have an entire thread to yourself with no "filthy fishfags"

>>96909028

>>96908494

>>96909141
>low effort of a tired and beaten man
HA!

>>96909028
does brosr play acks?

>>96908227
Nice one, Strict! Thanks for maintaining the paste. I for one am fine with those changes.

>>96908276
>>96908322
>>96908416
>local samefag somehow thinks he isn't being obvious
The fact ALONE that you still don't know what the BrOSR actually is reveals you to be behind all those posts.

>>96909028
>I know you're all blowing my asshole out on every level but you could get me to stop trying to troll you by simply giving up completely!
>how about it? Surrender is the smartest move when you're winning

>>96896826
https://omnik.itch.io/wander

>>96909573
based retard

>>96908632
fucking KEK you cant make this shit up. kill yourself you reddit bitch

>>96909573
>it's a solo game
>the chargen still has you generate pronouns
lmao, you can't make this shit up

>>96910231
>you can't make this shit up
damn, >>96910060 apparently bled into my post without me realizing. Goofy

still stand by the sentiment though, nutty stuff

>>96910238
goofy ahh nigga lmoa

>>96909573
>Pronoun faggotry
>Woman wearing an islamist trash bag on her head
Kill yourself, sand nigger loving faggot

>>96910404
People like you who are too retarded to play tabletop games should be faggots somewhere else.

>>96910443
thats just your own retarded posts, actually

>>96910453
Nope, as I did not make this >>96910404 you retarded faggot

>>96910465
The amount of effort he's put in to show nothing but how much effort he's willing to put into being a troll is so counterproductive towards his ultimate goal that I don't think calling him a retarded faggot is really enough. Retarded doesn't even come close.
But, he's also not really worth the effort of bothering to call him much more.

>>96909573
If its actually a game you want to talk about you're going to be better off trying that here >>96829321
Although most attempts at discussing indi and nusr tend to be just shouting into the void about a thing no one cares about.

>>96910443
Why did fishfag get triggered so hard by that post? Could it be he's an ESL Muslim?

>>96910510
It's either that or the pronouns. Hard to tell honestly, since he's a lefty /pol/tard.

>>96910523
Yeah he's probably one of those queers for palestine / chickens for kfc geniuses.

>>96910510
>>96910523
>>96910531
Only you know why that a game existing ruins your asshole. You don't have to buy it or play it, retard.

>>96910404
>this post got baleeted
>somehow still no movement on the mass shitposting, including an entire fake thread

>>96910534
Sounds like an "indeed, I actually am a lefty /poltard/ queer for palestine type" if I've ever heard one.

>>96910534
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

>>96910534
>Only you know why that a game existing ruins your asshole. You don't have to buy it or play it, retard.
So will you take your own advice and stop throwing throwing tantrums all over the board every single time ACKS gets mentioned, fishfag?

>>96910482
post a 2e char sheet

>>96910534
your dad (me) is the only one ruining your asshole, esl nogaems

>>96910595
That is because your brain is a bag of hairy nads
>>96910607
You should try thinking.
>>96910639
I get that you think (or at least what passes for thought in your pea brain) that every post you don't like is your boogeyman but I don't hate ACKS or the fish story.
>>96910677
The only ass you ruin is your own.

>>96910709
bow DOWN to your ruler

>>96910725
No u.

>>96910851
y did ur post get baleeted? >>96910709

>>96910639
I get that you think (or at least what passes for thought in your pea brain) that every post you don't like is your boogeyman but I don't hate ACKS or the fish story.

>>96910943
actually thats you and youre retarded brain posts

>>96910952
Nope, you are just thinking of yourself fish brain tard. Again I don't hate ACKS or the fish story. The fish story is fine for what it is meant for.

>>96910975
sorry, im daddy and I told you youre wrong esl tard

>>96910978
Your face is wrong. If I don't hate ACKS then you are bitching to the wrong person.

>>96911001
im not bitching. im making you my bitch

>>96911009
It looks more like you are making your own ass your bitch.

>>96911017
i like it when you cry, bitch. give daddy more tears

>>96911030
That crying is from your ass, retard. You are free to play ACKS if you want.

>>96911059
thats you playing with daddy's ass actually fishfag

>>96911121
Nope it's you playing with your own ass while not playing ACKS even you could just do that.

>>96911132
dont get shy now, mijo, im almost there. if you reply to daddy again its because you want his cummies in ur bussy

>>96911132
>>96911059
>You are free to play ACKS if you want
I accept your concession, faggottard esl

>>96911188
Yes, everyone accepts that you are a retard who cries about a boogeyman.

Can you faggots knock it off and talk about actual games for a couple of posts?

>>96905905
Yeah, fought these little shits with my group.
First one we met was oneshotted by the Explorer, so we said "Wow, these things are really weak!" and we soldered on.
Then, we got ambushed by three of them, and our Barbarian went down, almost died. We had to bail the place after that.
From that experience, we got extremely wary of them every time we encountered them.

>>96911443
It's a chatbot replying to itself, the only human involved is sniggering to his fellow discord homos

>>96903688
That book was great. It has an elven hound in it, like the chooshie or something. It's like a regular dog, but better, because elves are better.

>>96892196 (OP)
Just call it 1e thread. The other can be called the 2e thread. osr is such a useless fucking term to begin with.

>>96911858
It's not a 1e thread. It's a thread about 1e, OD&D, B/X, and clones, and modern content for those systems that is tonally and mechanically compatible.

>>96911930
and ACKS

it hasnt been a point of discussion for quite some time, but i came across this just now and thought i would post it as certain people were rather attatched to the strangely modern 50:1 ratio from acks, although they have probably forgotten about it and im just carrying the argument for no reason
the best reason

>>96911930
>mechanically compatible
2e is though. You can run modules for B/X a 1e with 2e.

>>96911858
>osr is such a useless fucking term to begin with.
Then go somewhere else you pathetic faggot

>>96912123
Acks doesn't use 50:1 you dipshit

>>96912775
2e is off topic by official proclamation thoever. Send a feedback ticket if you don't like it

>>96911278
Good job finding your own posts, dumbass

>>96913058
2e is on topic if the topic is OSR. If you want to insist it isn't, than what you want isn't OSR, that's just BrOSR.

>>96913075
Okay, it's the brOSR thread now, you going to continue crying and bitching?

>>96913075
Lol nobody gives a fuck about this retarded argument you try to make.
Every time you post this sentence you get btfo. I don't know if you're retarded and can't actually read, or if you're so autistic you're incapable of absorbing new information, but it's fucking embarrassing. My father has dementia and I have to remind him of the basics like this, less than I do you

>>96913075
>Herp derp I'm an ESL nogames with no brain and no character sheet

For a guy who says he doesn't care, he really seems to care.

>>96913223
>I'm not mad, you're mad!
You don't even play games, why the fuck should we take you seriously?

>>96912066
ACKS is a B/X clone.

>>96912123
That's a good quote, but I literally can't recall seeing anybody ever advocate a 50:1 gold:silver ratio in this general.

>>96896826
Sword of Cepheus does exist though. It's a 2d6 fantasy game using a life path PC creation system. I've run a campaign with it and liked it.

>>96913197
I think he genuinely can't help it. He has some kind of schizo mental illness where once he's latched onto a concept he can't let go of it, at the same time as he confabulates it to fit into his persecution complex. Reasoned argument simply doesn't connect, you might as well have tried to rationally convince Terry Davis that it's physically impossible for CIA niggers to glow in the dark.

>>96913273
Nobody has, and ACKS doesn't use it like he is claiming.
At this point he has to either be a broken AI bot, or genuinely retarded.

>>96913256
Says the guy who can never be taken seriously ever again because he's willing to spend hours shitposting to himself just to try and get a thread to autosage.
Also, you really have a bad habit of saying one thing, and doing another, like saying you're not mad while raging pretty hard and obviously. It's almost like your soul is defined primarily by hypocrisy.

>>96913292
Please don't besmirch the great Saint Terry or associate him with the resident fushfuck

>>96913306
Can you give example of when I have said one thing and done another?
By the way, I will literally stop replying to you forever if you just post your current 2e character sheet. Just take the easy out and show us what you are playing :-)

>>96913306
It's almost like you're an ESL nogames who refuses to fit in and demands that an environment adapts to his autistic whims

>>96913319
>Can you give example of when I have said one thing and done another?
Just about everything you do is that. You try to complain about someone else having a mental illness, while we've seen you spend several hundreds of posts in the last few days having complete and total meltdowns, including the most shameless samefagging that no one could mistake for anything else, all while accusing anyone you disagree with of samefagging.
You are hypocrisy incarnate.

>>96913305
It's still a good quote though, I don't think the actual Fishfag would go to the trouble of highlighting a passage in a book to contribute to the thread. Be wary of false posititves, Fishfag wants you to fuck up the thread with mistrust that way, but he's extremely identifiable due to his verbal tics, so even a false negative now and then isn't the end of the world.

>>96913355
I'm sorry, but that's not the information that was requested. Would you like to reformat your post and try again?

>>96913355
>no sheet is produced
jej

>>96913311
Buddy, pal, friend! Think about it! Niggers are defined by being black! That's incompatible with phosphorescence!

Reminder that the fact that Fishfag is shitposting in here now and desperately trying to push obvious nonsense like "2e is on topic if the topic is OSR" despite 2e never having been an OSR game and being explicitly off-topic is proof that he himself knows that his troll threads have failed. He's desperate because he can feel that he's losing, frantically scrabbling to gain some kind of grip on the cliff wall.

>>96913391
Yes but the reason they smell like that is because the phosphor comes out in their sweat. It's not enough to really see in the daytime, but at night the small amounts of starlight glistening through the sheen activates the latent phosphor and causes them to emit a dull green aura. This effect is essentially the same as a fairy fire, and is the main reason that CIA officers are frequently seen wearing head to toe black heavy suits, so as to not be noticed by their glow at night.
As for how Terry was able to recognize such a man, it is presumed that the CIA was in fact off-duty and out of uniform that night and I believe 1998 when Terry destroyed him with his Honda Civic.

>>96913426
kek

>>96913421
He's also trying to claim that /osrg/ is infact a brOSR enclave, because he thinks that if we exclude 2e from this thread, we are somehow forcing people to play one certain game edition by the book raw

>>96913426
I fucking spit out my coffee anon, thanks for bringing some levity to the thread
Captcha ajkjk

>>96913434
The funniest part of it is that according to his schizo theory, Melan is BrOSR, OSR Simulacrum is BrOSR, Trent Foster is BrOSR, Matt Finch is BrOSR... despite the BrOSR being a meme from like two years ago and all those people preceding it. Much like, in fact, this thread's own ban on 2e.

BrOSR niggers don't just glow in the dark, apparently, they can time travel as well!

>>96913452
I genuinely think that he is not just esl, but actually from a third world country, and hasn't been able to absorb any of the culture or knowledge or anything passively and by osmosis like we have.
It's kind of like how if a foreigner speaks perfect English but wasn't exposed to our media, they won't understand a lot of our references and idioms etc.
He must have recently found a set of Spanish second edition books and is angry that there is nothing for him to do with them.

>>96913426
Now here's a man who brings his sharpest knives when he fights Satan!

>>96913463
Nah, he doesn't genuinely care about 2e. That's why anons keep ragging on him by asking to see his character sheet or demanding that he comment positively on any aspect of its rules. He can't because he doesn't know shit about it. His motivations are examined pretty well here: >>96886347

>>96913426
/tbg/: Terry Building General
(no 2e allowed edition)

>>96913489
Number two is definitely part of the answer, he has dropped the act and pulled out the "macris is le Nazi" card multiple times

>>96913512
Exactly. He only tries to push 2e because he knows it doesn't belong here, and wants to make anons mad.

>>96913535
The funny thing is I even have a bunch of books for the game, and I don't think it's explicitly *horrible*, but I don't like it, and I can recognize and concede that this isn't the territory for encouraging a healthy discussion about it.

>>96913073
But I am not the one crying about fish, dumb fish butt toucher.

>>96913690
You don't fuck fish, you shove them up your own butt, that's what daddy taught you to do

>>96913489
>His motivations are examined pretty well here: >>96886347
That's actually eye opening if true. I remember an Anon going batshit over a post on strength differences between men and women, but are you sure it was him?

>>96913512
Your posts are number two
>>96913535
2e belongs here unlike you and your B.O.

>>96913761
That just your family, fish butt brain.

The REAL Old School gaming, hurling insults at each other.

>>96914112
That's not my post, I just linked it for being insightful. As for the strength apeshit anon being the same guy, I couldn't tell you. That seems like the weakest part of the argument to me, too.

>>96914240
Most of this is a chatbot that can be fed a board's posts and it will analyze them and spit out endless shitposts designed to enrage people. It's been used to hit other boards recently.

>>96915499
Got anything in the way of proof or evidence?

Anyone played Vagabond? New game trying to hop in on the OSR crowd

Okay, fuck me, ACKS shill is real.

First thing first, for a new lurker it's a real shitshow here. There's constant troll and trollfeeding both regarding ACKS and AD&D2. So navigating these muddy waters as a newcomer it's easy to get lost.

Long story short I posted a few good words regarding ACKS GM advice section. Got called out for being the ACKS shill but because I know I'm not... well you think the other guy is crazy anyway, so maybe there was not even an ACKS shill to begin with?

Well I tuned in after my last game and discover ACKS shill is real and is using my own words to give advices he obviously has no clues on and ramped up the enthusiasm to sell his shit.

You can check this link to double check it or just take a quick look at picrel: first two posts is the impostor and the last two posts (highlighted in yellow) are the originals -mine.
archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/ACKS%20GM%20advice%20section/

>>96915748
For one thing, I saw it repeat a line I used on 2efag a year ago.

>>96915827
a) It just came out, and b) it's a D20 fantasy game in a field awash with fantasy games. I'm going to assume "no".

"Pulp" as a descriptor for me personally sends up more red flags than the Third International, in that it's an utterly meaningless descriptor as it's properly used (being just a medium for a host of different kinds of writing) and a vague vibes descriptor for some combination of fast action and gonzo as it's popularly used, neither of which indicate a strong sense of design powering it (by contrast, "sword & sorcery", a fantasy subgenre published in pulps that the OSR is heavily indebted to, would be something usefully indicative, even if still extremely general).

Looking at its reviews, it uses the watered down "ancestries" terminology, and has an all-new stat series, a completely different combat system, and a completely different magic system using spell points, all of which to break compatibility. As usual, there's nothing obvious about why you'd want to play this over every other fantasy game on the market. What's it target audience? What does it do that other fantasy games don't already? Why do fantasy game designer always shy away from making a clear statement of purpose and differentiation? Oh, it "blends old school practicality and modern TTRPG character expression." Sure, I guess.

Regardless of what it's meant to do, it's yet another "OSR" game that has nothing to do with the OSR. Might be a solid game on its own--who knows. But it doesn't belong here.

>>96915949
Hey, that was me. That post was in the fake /osrg/ thread that fishfag has been setting up recently, here it is in its glorious context:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96901707/#96905128

>My goal
I just felt that the thread was a bit slow and needed some good conversation starter to encourage a certain poster in that thread to do his best and contribute one of his insightful takes on ACKS.

>The means to the end
Trouble is, I'm not really familiar with ACKS, so I'm not able to come up with my own praise for it (or takedown for that matter). So I had to take another Anon's post as inspiration, and yours happened to be the first one that I thought was good as a conversation started.

Hope this clears things up.

>>96916019
Perhaps it was memorable? Or not very original?

>>96916135
nta, but let's not steal other peoples posts to bait fishfag.
All that does is make it seem like his crazy bullshit might be real. It'd be like if you had a neighbour who was always raving about being gangstalked then you find out there actually is an FBI van parked opposite his house some day.

>>96916135
Well help me niggerman before I drive myself crazy.

So, ACKS shill is not real but a deflection from the local schizo anytime any anons mention the game?

>>96916135
>the thread was a bit slow
I snortled

>>96916187
>let's not steal other peoples posts
I don't know Anon, I think it's a pretty funny reveal and fair game on the usurper's thread. I also wouldn't get too serious on post ownership on 4chan, the website where copypasta was invented and perfected.

>>96916241
I'm the anon that was c/c'ed and as a new lurker it definitely gave the local schizo tremendous credits.

Now that I know the context it's fair game plus I don't give a damn about my poorly writted blogpost (impersonator anon had way better terms like "fallen empire"), but >>96916187 is right: at the end of the day it will be used against you.

>>96916222
>So, ACKS shill is not real but a deflection from the local schizo anytime any anons mention the game?
I find the whole premise of an ACKShill on 4chan, with its piracy culture, to be either a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning of the word "shill", or laughable because people come here to steal shit, not to buy it.

Perhaps I'm wrong. All I know is that if Macris is hiring ACKShills I won't make a good candidate since I had to recycle another Anon's posts.

But if you're asking for my subjective opinion, I am convinced fishfag started raving about "ACKShill" as a pure 100% deflection*. In fact, at first he tried to claim that "fishfag" meant someone who likes ACKS, then he realised it wouldn't stick, tried fishfagfag for a bit, saw it didn't work either, and finally settled on "ACKShill" as a comeback / deflection.

* Although he's insane enough he might have started to believe in it.

>>96916288
>impersonator anon had way better terms like "fallen empire"
Even pigs will climb trees if you flatter them <3

>>96916222
>So, ACKS shill is not real but a deflection from the local schizo anytime any anons mention the game?
Let's cut the bullshit.
Who would ever try to shill a game on the same board where we have a long term thread dedicated to piracy, including of the game supposedly being shilled.

Fishfag just calls anyone who anyone that likes or talks about ACKS in any way that isn't "I wish to see all copies of ACKS burned in a pile"

>>96916346
What a fucking dive. Thanks anon. Yeah the "shill" part is obviously BS but with time the term derived to any enthusiast/pusher so that's how I interpreted it: a flamewar between someone loving a system and someone hating it.

Turns out it's a flamecrusade by someone hating it against most people not caring much about it.

What's the lore for AD&D 2nd Ed then? Same guy? Honestly you guys should have a two to three sentences disclaimer in the OP because like it or not this shitshow is taking at least 20% of every threads I browsed.

For the record, ACKShill accusations actually predate any of his other insults;
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/ackshill/page/6/
If we're doing some studying of Fishistory and ACKSeology

>>96916420
Yeah, same guy. And apparently he's also the Nightlandsfag, a guy who hates on the "shills" for William Hope Hodgson's 100-year-old weird horror book (which is in public domain now obviously) and who's been an autistic wart on the ass of /tg/ for many years.

>>96916368
>Not posting a Tomba reference.
I came here to laugh at you.

>>96916420
We could add such a disclaimer but it's not going to save on threadspace because the guy is legit mentally ill and is going to post in every vaguely related thread and take up all those posts regardless. If no one responds to him, he argues with himself. Only moderator action can stop him, and they outright refuse to do anything for whatever reason.

Yes, 2efag and fishfag are the same guy.

>>96916420
>What's the lore for AD&D 2nd Ed then? Same guy?
Yep. Took us all some time to figure it out, but eventually it became clear it's the same guy.

The reason he hates ACKS is some /pol/ bullshit, he thinks Macris is a Nazi he isn't, he's just a vanilla conservative/libertarian, and he has a similar issue with /osrg/, he's convinced himself that we're a bunch of white supremacists because, this being 4chan, there's the VERY occasional politically incorrect joke.

He started using AD&D 2e as an excuse to disrupt conversation on this general, but he doesn't really care about it, nor does he play it, nor is he really familiar with it, he's proven time and again that he doesn't even know the rules of that edition.

That's the reason there's one Anon who keeps asking him for a copy of his 2e character sheet, and fishfag never replies.

>>96916469
I have no idea what that is Anon, I'm old as fuck. The picture is from an anime from my childhood, that's how old I am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Bokan

>>96916490
I don't feel so alone now. This is the one I watched as a kid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starzinger

>>96916490
You're still younger than OD&D so there's that. How do you play nowaday? You have a table at the retirement community or you're filtering tranny applications at your online game?

>>96916043
The creator keeps shouting that it's compatible with any B/X material simply because the game run itself with minimal GM insput lmao.

At this point the game is more of a Solo game then an OSR game

>>96916534
Starzinger is the best anime adaptation of the Journey to the West after The Monkey (picrel) and before Dragon Balls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_to_the_West

>>96916571
>How do you play nowaday?
I have a group of friends I play weekly with. Sometimes it's first decade D&D, sometimes it's traditional boardgames. We like to mix things up, but it's mostly boardgames really. Also depends on who shows up and what the mood is. Helps that I do zero prep.

>>96916458
The "proof" of that is because I say so.

>>96916664
And the fact that when it was first suggested, you immediately went on a massive shitpost spree for hours in an obvious attempt to bury it, and if that wasn't enough, right smack in the middle of doing it, you accidentally used one of NLfag's signature phrases.

Thanks for playing, though.

>>96916473
You say yet there are people here how know that 2e is on topic and don't hate ACKS or the fish story. Or the Night Lands for that matter. The boogeyman claim falls to pieces if there no one who fits all the traits of him.

>>96916664
The proof is how you act https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96775865/#96796537

Notice the exact same words and attitude, the same arguments and the fact you spent the rest of the thread shitting yourself to death in a fury over being found out.

>>96915949
So, you had posts stolen by a guy...

>>96916187
...and you're going to believe him when he tells you a story?

>>96916288
I don't think you understand how much stuff there is to use against him for "spamming copypasta" to even come close to the top of the list of shitty/shady behavior.

We're talking about a guy who lies, spams, steals, trolls, floods, boogeymans, and there's supposed to be anyone left who actually is willing to believe anything he says or trusts anything he does? C'mon now.

>>96916691
>>96916701
>All the posts I don't like are from one anon because I can't comprehend that more than person disagrees with me.
I don't hate ACKS or the Night Land books

>>96916753
Yeah. I'll believe them because they were pretty chill and making sense but then you showed up it's been like three posts of gaslighting already.

Say something nice about ACKS if you want my trust.

>>96916766
If you don't see the similarities between:
>People should be aware that the book is trash and the people who like are really nothing more than barely-human, mishapen morlocks who want to inflict suffering on other people just to try and rationalize their own self-inflicted pain.
And
>This is all that ACKS defenders are capable of. They try to filibuster everyone into giving up so that they can lie and try to trick people into playing their shit system. Unfortunately, long before playing ACKS, somebody would have to read ACKS, and anyone who did that would discover it's a bloated mess.

Then know what, I'm not even going to be charitable and say you're retarded; you do recognize the similarity and that they're obviously from the same faggot.
And since no one could possibly, in good faith and clear conscience, defend said faggot after seeing the shit he's been up to in these threads on an ongoing basis the only reasonable assumption is that you are said faggot.
Feel free to prove otherwise. Until you do though, go drain necrotic buboes with your mouth as punishment for bringing lies into my wholesome Christian OSR thread.

>>96916780
I don't actually believe you believe them though.
I'm sorry, but the level of bullshit that the ACKS shill trolls have generated has left me little reason to believe anyone would actually be stupid enough to take them at their word.
It's unfortunate, but weighing all the evidence we have, you have to doubt anything related to liars that are that shameless, obsessed, and motivated. That includes the innocent passerby pretending to believe them.
>Say something nice about ACKS if you want my trust.
You want me to copy paste something you said back to you? Honestly, I don't value your trust enough to jump through even a hurdle that low.

If you've seen their activities, and you are still willing to pretend you trust them, I don't think your professed trust has any value at all.

>>96916847
I see that you are a retarded faggot crying about a boogeyman because the only other things you can do is gargle cocks.

>>96916953
we accept your concession

>>96916960
Everyone accepts that you are retarded.

>>96916904
NTA. We have two competing theories: The fishfag theory and the ACKShill theory.

The fishfag theory is pretty clear: There's one specific person with some specific fixations. The theory can be right or wrong, I don't know, but at I understand what is being claimed.

However, I'm not following the ACKShill theory. What's the difference between an "ACKS shill" and someone who honestly just likes ACKS? It sounds like you're calling a "shill" anybody who likes ACKS. It's something much more nebulous.

>>96916953
>>96916967
Not the most convincing arguments I've ever heard. Can you be a bit clearer?

>>96916043
>modern TTRPG character expression
Biggest red flag IMO. What I hear is "5e-poisoned players whine when they can't create a donutsteel snowflake in OSR games, this variant will let them".

>>96916953
>I see that you are a retarded faggot crying about a boogeyman because the only other things you can do is gargle cocks.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94619506/#q94700272
>This is abhorrent behavior, which is why you're the singular and only person to do it on this board. You are the boogeyman of /tg/, responsible for all the shittiest opinions, combined with the shittiest attempts to defend those positions: complete with hysterical theatrics, nothing even close to resembling a coherent argument, and copious (emphasis on the word "cope") amounts of same-fagging to try and pretend you are not a singular boogeyman.

Easiest cross-reference I've made in my life.

>>96916988
>NTA. We have two competing theories: The fishfag theory and the ACKShill theory.

No, we don't. You are a troll and trying to gaslight this board. It's not a competition, there's no one dumb enough to have seen your trolling and believe anything you will ever say ever again, and it's so obvious when you try to deceive us.

No one is falling for it, mate. No one could at this point.

>>96917001
Are you actually reading what you're copy-pasta-ing?
The latter guy is doing what YOU are trying to do. He's trying to make you (and I assume he was addressing you) into a boogeyman.
Is that what inspired you to try to do it to everyone else?

>>96916904
You've been found out with this one simple trick.

>>96916988
>I'm not following the ACKShill theory. What's the difference between an "ACKS shill" and someone who honestly just likes ACKS?


>>96917062
> are a troll and trying to gaslight this board. It's not a competition, there's no one dumb enough to have seen your trolling and believe anything you will ever say ever again, and it's so obvious when you try to deceive us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFeVfwDvTyM

>>96917110
There's no point in trying to do the whole "Hey, I'm just a reasonable guy, asking reasonable questions" act. There's no reason to extend the benefit of the doubt to you at all.

>>96917170
They're not even reasonable questions, he's just trying to change pace from foaming at the mouth and shitting himself to instead asking stupid questions about why a guy who flies off the handle anytime ACKS is criticized earned the nickname "ACKShill."

>>96917170
I guess that means that yes, everybody who likes ACKS is an "ACKS shill" in your view, then.

>>96917208
>he's just trying to change pace from foaming at the mouth and shitting himself
That was another Anon.

>>96917001
But I don't hate the Night Land books or even hinted at that, dong licker. So all you done is look like a retard.

>>96917272
>dong licker
>retard
Such compelling arguments. Also totally not sounding like fishfag and night lands fag

>>96917287
Everyone sounds like your boogeyman to you.

>>96916693
>The boogeyman claim falls to pieces if there no one who fits all the traits of him

>>96916953
>>96916967
>instantaneous characteristic low-effort screeching

KEK

>>96917170
>>96917208
>samefag replies to self

NEW
>>96917916
>>96917916
>>96917916

>>96917887
Your face and posts is a KEK.
>instantaneous characteristic low-effort screeching
So you were the boogeyman the entire time?

>>96914206
>>96914198
No you're just retarded like 2e is except your dad is gayer than you and he puts 2e books up your ass to get to his computer

>>96915827
Lmao stfu and kill yourself retard.

>>96915949
>People discuss a game on the games board?!?!
WON'T SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING, MACRIS CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS!!

>>96916490
>I'm so old that I don't understand things that came out thirty years ago!
...okay?

>>96916904
Sorry, but that wasn't the information that was requested. Would you like to reformat your post and try again?

>>96917272
>So all you done
>Dong licker
Hey ESL, you got a 2e char sheet you can post?

>>96920024
Nah, that is just projection, retard. Also it explains your butthurt about 2e being OSR.
>>96920080
It look like you have a head full of dicks.

>>96921430
>he doesnt have a character sheet because he doesnt play games
how pathetic!

>>96921788
Yes. we know what you yell at the voices in your head.

>>96921824
>cries "no u!" in broken ESL
>refuses to post any character sheet
you dont play games

>>96921838
That not a no u, you retarded faggot. Learn to read.

>>96921861
I have a character sheet I'll share, care to post yours?

>>96921866
The fact everyone is either ignoring your durr durr character sheet derp or calling names should tell you that no one really cares. But you are too retarded to see that.

>>96921899
>everyone is ignoring you!
im only asking (You) to post a char sheet tho
>he has no sheet because he play NO games
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>96921930
You did not need to post that pic. We already know that about you, retard

>>96921974
>UHM, I DONT PLAY GAMES BECAUSE...NO U!
you
have
no
character
sheet.
because?
N O
G A M E S

>>96921976
You have no brain.
>>96921989
>Reading is hard.

>>96922000
>playing games and posting a char sheet is hard
youre a literal ESL and a nogames, youre a fake, a phony, a rice-a-roni jabroni!

Anyways:

>>96917916
>>96917916
>>96917916

>>96922000
N O G A M E S

>>96922018
Thanks for proving that you are brainless, faggot. Also I don't hate ACKS.
>>96922078
>t. brainless.

>>96922097
YOU’RE A FAKE DICE SLINGER, A PHONY GROGNARD, A PAPERBACK POSER IN THE KINGDOM OF IMAGINATION!!!

YOU’RE OUT HERE QUOTIN’ GYGAX LIKE YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WHEN HE WROTE APPENDIX N, BUT YOU COULDN’T FIND YOUR CHARACTER SHEET IF IT WAS TAPED TO YOUR FOREHEAD, BROTHER! YOU SAY YOU’VE “RUN KEEP ON THE BORDERLANDS,” BUT I KNOW YOU’VE NEVER EVEN SEEN THE CAVES OF CHAOS—NOT EVEN ON A MAP, OOOH YEAH!

>>96922111
tl;dr durr durr derp