Thread 96917916

Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first-decade, Gygaxian D&D, its faithful modern clones, and content created for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.

Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended by its creators from 1974 to 1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching metaplots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about: we'll be happy to help you get started. We also have two excellent beginner guides created by Anons with feedback from the thread that you can check for help:

>n00b DM's Guide
https://pastebin.com/EVvt6P0B
>n00b Player's Handbook
https://pastebin.com/XALkXkV0

>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:
http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128

>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94994969/#95006768

>Previous thread:
>>96892196

Thread Question:
What's your favorite work from the early OSR blog era?

>Finalized OP Edition (Pastebin Updated)
All hail StrictTimeRecords, Lord Commander of the Pastebin! With his blessing, a new era dawns upon /osrg/

Huzzah!

so is this just some retard trying to hijack /osrg/ now or something?

>What's your favorite work from the early OSR blog era?
My favourite blog is probably Delta's. He's the author of Original Edition Delta, an OD&D retroclone/shitbrew with Thieves but without Clerics except as an optional rue, and Book of War, a really nice mass combat variant for D&D that he's heavily playtested on the Wandering DMs YouTube channel

The blog has a simulationist aka autistic approach to the game as ACKS but with a taste for a much lighter ruleset. So if you like simulationism and constructive atisum but ACKS is too heavy for you, definitely check it out:
https://deltasdnd.blogspot.com/

>>96917933
>>96917954
Sorry about the namefagging, I was going to create the thread when I saw that this one had been created already.

>>96917916 (OP)
>>96917933
This is NOT the /osrg/.

This is the /BrOSRg/.
https://www.enworld.org/threads/brosr.691184/
Here's regular people discussing it and explaining it.

Here's some self-described BrOSR's giving their own personal definitions, with a lot of basic overlap but differences that indicate that there is still some variance in the exact definition of BrOSR.
https://jeffro.wordpress.com/2022/04/08/what-is-the-brosr/
https://jonmollison.com/2022/11/10/brosr-principles-a-primer/

Basically, if you want to discuss
>the thread dedicated to first decade, Gygaxian D&D, its more faithful modern clones, and content created specifically for use with them
>tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended and taught by its creators from 1974 to 1983

That's BrOSR, and not OSR as a whole.

>>96917916 (OP)
>What's your favorite work from the early OSR blog era?
I don't have a specific WORK in mind, but tenfootpole is a great resource for reviews. I don't always agree with Bryce, but his opinions are worth considering.

>>96917951
Yes, very much.

>>96917951
I don't think it's just one guy, but yes, it's just a few retards who don't even know when and why the OSR started.

>>96917987
>tenfootpole
Good one. Melan's blog is also great. He's one of the most brilliant minds in the scene.

>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first-decade, Gygaxian D&D, its faithful modern clones, and content created for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.
>Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons played as intended by its creators from 1974 to 1983 — less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching metaplots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

This is total bullshit.

The OSR started in 2002 out of fear that WotC would no longer reprint earlier editions, including 2e. THAT's what the OSR is about, and why 2e will forever be on topic, regardless of what effort you put into trying to exclude it.

Now that OSE is dropping pure B/X, what are the odds a new game moves in to take the players that prefer a fully-faithful B/X experience?

Thread requests: I'd like to get updates from:
1. The Stonehell on the Borderlands Anon.
2. The Anon who was working on B/X + traveller-like floating islands with XP for gold.

I will also take requests for infographics on rules, if there's anything from B/X or AD&D that you would like to have clarified. Just give me some time to do it.

>>96917916 (OP)
You should change yourselves to /BROSRG/ so people don't get confused and think this general is about OSR or get confused with the actual /osrg/.

>>96918044
I actually have a 70% complete draft that I was considering sharing with some kind of CC license, but I got shot down when I asked if there was any interest "because the old books are available now", which I guess is fair enough, but we're still recommending OSE-Classic as a reference manual, so why not have an alternative?

I might still do it, perhaps it'll be more successful outside of 4chan. Or Anons who are sceptical will appreciate it.

>>96918066
I for one would be interested.

>>96918044
Why would we need yet another B/X clone? Just buy those original OSE books or B/X.

>>96918044
I'm not sure how much market demand there is for that, but I'm also curious to see what will happen with it. Is Gavin doing a kickstarter?

>>96918103
>Why would we need yet another B/X clone?
As a reference manual and to clarify a few points that are a bit unclear about B/X, like the difference between room and treasure traps. You and I don't need it perhaps, but many would.

>>96918103
>Just buy those original OSE books or B/X.
I'm not buying anything, I pirate shit, and OSE is getting discontinued. And it has license issues since it still uses the OGL.

>>96917951
They're not just trying to hijack the general. There's been a group trying to hijack the whole OSR community.

I think it all leads back to Matt Finch, which is funny because the numbers are always against him. He and his supporters keep trying to fluff him up as a pivotal figure in OSR, but his games have never really been that popular, nor his more controversial views. Neither OSRIC nor S&W ever had a particularly large following, but his followers have gone so far as trying to pretend OSRIC was the first OSR game (by inventing a history where all the games preceding it were either not OSR or proto-OSR). At the end of the day, the OSR community holds many more varied views than just the style that Finch tried to say is what defines OSR.

The thing is, S&W isn't even a bad game and I do like parts of it. OSRIC is dumb though. I also know it's kinda just mean to say it, but OSRIC also has some of the worst art.

>>96917951
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>>96918033
>>96918062
>>96918144
>reeeee an evil cabal of intruders is trying to control the thread and wrest it away from me–I mean us!
>intruders who somehow control the thread pastebin that's exited forever, and also several important blogs entirely unconnected to this site!
Get help, schizo.

Transforming Weapon:
This magical +2 dagger transforms into a weapon one damage dice size larger after landing an attack. By concentrating as they swing, the user can influence the outcome's damage type(blunt, slashing, piercing). The weapon reverts to its original dagger form upon speaking a command word or after two rounds of not landing an attack on an enemy.

>>96918033
No, 2e has never been on topic in this general, since it's not an OSR game and never has been. Hope this helps!

>>96918167
Is the idea here that the dagger transforms in the moment of doing damage with the first attack, or for the purpose of attacking in the next round? I assume the latter but it's not super clear.

>>96918005
It's not really clear why the OSR started. Lots of groups doing lots of things.

>>96918167
>This magical +2 dagger transforms into a weapon one damage dice size larger after landing an attack.
Cumulative? Or does it just become a shortsword after the first hit and that's it?

Also, how do we reconcile it with MUs who can use daggers but not shortswords?

>>96918167
>By concentrating as they swing
Does this have any in-game effect or is it just flavour? Is it "concentration" of the kind that can be interrupted?

>>96917951
No, the retard has been trying to hijack /osrg/ for several days now; >>96907893 is his last attempt.

>>96918182
It's extremely clear, actually. You can read more about it here:
>https://osrsimulacrum.blogspot.com/2021/03/a-historical-look-at-osr-part-iv.html
The whole series is worth reading if you're as badly confused as your post makes it seem.

>>96918176
please stop trolling these threads. 2e is ontopic.

>>96918182
No, there's a pretty clear history.
Groups on a bunch of different forums were interested in pre-WotC D&D, so they discussed it. Got scared book prices would get too high without reprints, tried to get WotC to reprint. Made OGL-versions to be compatible/convertable with older stuff.

And that's basically it. All the extra drama and nonsense about an imagined specific style of play that everyone was doing back in the day is just a willful attempt at indoctrinating people who don't know any better.

>>96918206
I'm afraid not; it never has been as you can easily find out by loking through the /tg/archives as well as the OSR Simulacrum series of OSR history posts. The Plebbit is the only place anywhere which believes 2e should be included and even that's only out of leftoid kneejerk-inclusivity; they never actually discuss it. If you feel you must have an """OSR""" space where 2e is nominally accepted, you should go there. Hope this helps!

>>96918162
I mean, if you don't want to be called an evil cabal, you probably should act like an evil cabal.

I mean, you flooded a bunch of threads with the most banal shitposts just to show off how much you can troll, samefag, and spam, so I thought you were actually trying to convince everyone that you were an evil cabal after all.

>>96918206
How can Anon be trolling this thread when the OP is crystal clear and agrees with him on this? That makes no sense.

>>96918224
Lol, those are just BrOSR lies. Everyone on EnWorld, Dragonsfoot, Reddit, Twitter, really anywhere people talk about OSR know about how full of shit you are.

>>96918242
Wrong. The OP made a mistake and didn't add "br". If you want your brosrg, don't confuse people.

>>96918176
after the first attack (d4) lands, so the following round your attack would be a d6 weapon

>>96918187
cumulative. as long as the user keeps landing hits it will continue to grow until becoming a lance or other very large pole arm. I'm inclined to allow anyone to wield it since a MU would be taking great risks to make melee attacks.

>>96918187
no, it's simply there for the player to make creative or thematic use of.

>>96918162
It's not an evil cabal. It's just some dumb guys who really like one particular style.

Problem with that particular style is that it's not fun for everyone. You really have to force yourself to do some annoying stuff. And, unless something like hardcoded laws are forcing people, they won't want to do that annoying stuff.

That's the whole genesis of the conflict between BrOSR and the rest of the OSR. BrOSR are guys who always appeal to Authority or Tradition in order so that groups play in a specific way, and sometimes come up with backsplanations as to why they need to follow the old ways exactly. It's not because the older games actually managed to figure out how to be the perfect game, it's because being good isn't as important as being "correct".

Its almost like Law vs. Chaos.

>>96918294
No, they're definitely evil here. We're talking full-blown, no morality, ends-justify-the-means shameless evil. The only good part about them is that they're too dumb and weak to cause any real harm other than just being annoying and trying to mislead people.

>>96918244
Still haven't learned what the BrOSR is, eh? Well, nice try.

>>96918202
What exactly is wrong with that OP? Seems perfectly in order, and doesn't have your decisively incorrect efforts to deliberately exclude 2e.

>>96918332
Why don't you ask EnWorld what it means? Here, take a look. https://www.enworld.org/threads/brosr.691184/

>>96918293
>after the first attack (d4) lands, so the following round your attack would be a d6 weapon
Right, that's what I figured, but the phrasing made it unclear to me, anyway. Thanks for clarifying! Do you intend it also requiring two hands to wield once it gets up to polearm size, or is this wizard shit and you don't gotta explain nothin'?

>>96918244
>>96918253
>>96918294
I wish you would try to at least be a bit more creative with your trolling. This broken record shit is lame.

>>96918293
>as long as the user keeps landing hits it will continue to grow until becoming a lance or other very large pole arm
Pretty hilarious. But would characters actually use it?

>I'm inclined to allow anyone to wield it since a MU would be taking great risks to make melee attacks.
If you're playing AD&D, that's not an issue: MUs can use any weapon as long as they "pay" the very steep non-proficiency penalty.

>>96918337
They're kind of overblowing the whole politics part.

Well, not really, but the politics is really just some guys trolling for attention. The BrOSR guys on twitter are almost certainly just incorporating the whole "BrOSR IS FOR TRADITIONAL RED BLOODED MEN, EVERY OTHER GAME IS FOR LIBTARDS" shit to start flame wars because the only currency on twitter is political spite, but the core of the difference between BrOSR guys and the rest of the OSR is really just a completely seperate philosophy on how you're supposed to do things "correctly" and what criteria you use to determine that.

BrOSR really love Tradition, Authority, Groupthink, Conformity, and pickup trucks.

>>96918371
The racism is a pretty big with the trolls here. I'm betting we'd also see some misogyny if /tg/ wasn't 97% male.

>>96918342
you'd have to drop or throw whatever is in your off hand as it grows to a d10 or above.

>>96918350
>would anyone use it
at least in my game, yes, until they get better shit. it's not meant to be very good, more cool and fun

>>96918224
Ah fuck, you are political about it.

>>96918176
>2e has never been on topic in this general,
The first time the /osrg/ described itself, it described itself as
>Welcome to /osrg/ - the OSR General, devoted to pre-WotC D&D, retroclones, and all other related systems.
Not only that, you can find literally thousands of examples of people discussing 2e and posting 2e material in the /osrg/, generally positively, often without even seemingly caring about it being from 2e or not.
It's also intrinsically OSR. The more you try to exclude it, the more you inadvertently cut off other obvious OSR games, especially with that attempt at imposing a cutoff date. The unfortunate thing for you is also that even if you want to restrict it to 1e but also want to include clones and compatible content, that means 2e as well, up until you try to redefine the entire OSR solely by the differences between the editions. And even that doesn't really work, because 2e preserves most of the changes as available variants.
It really just seems like weird butthurt and intense grognardism.

The consensus is OP is a faggot.

>>96917916 (OP)
>>96918033
I don't get why this is a big deal.

Who's dying when people discuss 2e?

If we're going to exclude games from the OSR, let's start with none.

>>96918242
So if the OP said DCC was OSR would that be true?

>>96918519
It shouldn't be a big deal. For most of the /osrg/'s history it wasn't.
To be fair, not everyone saw eye-to-eye about the edition, and liked and disliked different aspects of it, but that's basically how it was with every game discussed here.
There is only universally beloved game in the /osrg/, and that is LotFP.

blogs are for people who can't get books published

>>96918410
What a shock.

>>96918616
Nah, people publish books of their blog posts. Its kind of weird.

>>96918033
>>96918206
You seemed confused.

>>96918337
>>96918371
God you both are retards. BroSR as a "movement" claims strict adherence to AD&D RAW, 1:1 time keeping, braunstein-inspired "patron play" and the concept of Living Campaign (John N. McGowan). Their politics (larp or not) are irrelevant unless you've been brainfucked by the culture war.

>>96918968
Different people say the BrOSR is different things, and the last thing you should do is only take the definition of what is a largely a pejorative from the people who willingly call themselves it. Those are going to be some shameless people. It's like hearing faggot means "proud and beautiful". There's not one grand poobah of BrOSR, and though Jeffero Johnson tried to make sure it would include 1:1 time-keeping, it should be pretty obvious how that's not really all that practical and even often paradoxical, making it a hard sell and not popular among all the BrOSR.

The guys who are so up their own asses that they write up blog posts like https://bdubsanddragons.blogspot.com/2021/07/jeffrogaxian-time-keeping-vs-variable.html are definitely, 100% the most embarrassing sort of BrOSR the might ever exist, but there's also lesser degrees of BrOSR, including the BrOSR who don't want to share in the disgust that the Jeffero BrOSR earn from all their "THIS IS THE TRUE WAY TO PLAY" faggotry, while still trying to present their own "THIS IS THE TRUE WAY TO PLAY" faggotry.

Most of the people who call BrOSR BrOSR generally don't care about details like "Um Akchually, that particular sect believes in 1:1 time, while MY particular sect believes that the prophet Gygax opposed such heresy," like you're some sort of warring Sunnis and Shias claiming only one of them are the true Muslims. Most people just see guys LARPing as dude bros while being embarrassing gate-keeping nerds about old editions of D&D, who try to assert that their way is the only REAL or TRUE way, and generally just being dumb assholes.

So yeah. You might not like it, but you probably also don't like being called a faggot.

The BroSR is not important

>>96919125
Calm your tits, woman. It's perfectly valid to attack BroSR tenets: they claim AD&D RAW is the one true way, yet the longest and most famous BroSR campaign used ACKS. Strict 1:1 time keeping punishes small weekly group players just so the DM can larp he runs a game for 50 players. Patron play has more in common with freeform RP than with AD&D or wargames.

But in order to criticise them effectively, at the very least you have to understand what they are about. And if you understood that you'd know that lumping together the BroSR guys and your average AD&D playing OSR chud is completely retarded.

>"Most people don't care about details"
But we do. That's why we have our own general and we discuss inane shit like the correct size of hexes in our maps or why BFRPG treasure tables are fucked. There is no need to gate-keep anything, if you want to belong you'll have to study and learn in order to keep up with our autism. That's about it. Be better.

>>96919178
This is true.

>>96918066
I'd say go for it but I don't think it will be relevant for at least a year probably more like two. OSE 2e isn't going to see print for let's say 12 months and there is X amount of the first edition still in print waiting to be sold.
There won't be a hunger for a pure B/X expression for awhile. That gives you time to really polish up your product though and maybe contemplate some supplemental material.
Keeping the spirit and function of original rulesets in print is a good thing. There's always pushback from people saying B is available or another clone isn't needed, etc, but who cares. It's an archival and revival project. That's important work as far as I'm concerned.
There needs to be a printed product though. You can't expect the embrace of a digital product to be anything other than a blip considering the ubiquity of those rules. I have something like four or five 99% faithful expressions of B/X on my hard drive. That's not what anyone will want.

>>96919230
>But in order to criticise them effectively, at the very least you have to understand what they are about.
Look, faggot. You're okay with me calling you a faggot? I don't know and actually really don't care if you literally take it up the ass, but you certainly act like you do. Hence, me calling you a faggot.

That's basically the situation with BrOSR. The people calling people BrOSR on EnWorld and Twiiter and Reddit and here and so on are not particularly interested if the people they're talking about use 1:1 time, because 1:1 time isn't the most prominent aspect of a BrOSR. The thing that sticks out most about the BrOSR is:

1: Dudebro LARPING
2: Hyper-fixation on specific rules and proselytizing some restrictive style as the only true way
3: Being retarded

You really don't want to be called BrOSR, because you look upon the worst of them as the rest of the OSR looks upon you. And, I can't think of any sign of this being more effective criticism than you desperately not wanting to be called BrOSR.

I think you guys severely overestimate the importance of OSE CF and OSE all together. Its SRD will stay up and stay free even though the Advanced content will likely be added, but that is still much better than overpaying for a 'table reference book'.

>>96919279
Trying to use enworld, twitter or reddit as an authority on anything should be a matter of concern. I don't care about BroSR guys larping as wrestlers online nor do I care being called BroSR (I actually really liked both BROZER and The Living Campaign). I care about retards using words as if they knew what they meant and then crying about reddit using them wrong as well as an excuse.

That's about it. Again, be better.

>>96919230
I like discussing "inane shit" and little details of OSR. You missed the point, and missed the point hard, because the details most people don't care about are not the details about games they want to discuss, but the details between one sect of BrOSR between another, because at the end of the day either one is going to do something retarded like insist that a commonly understood OSR game isn't an OSR game because it's not "pure" enough.
One might say "You're not playing REAL D&D because you're not using 1:1 time" while another might say "That's not an OSR game because it was only ever included out of leftoid kneejerk-inclusivity."

>There is no need to gate-keep anything,
Wait are you actu-
>if you want to belong you'll have to study and learn in order to keep up with our autism.
God fucking damn it, you dumb fuck. For half a second I actually thought you weren't a complete retard with incredibly misplaced elitism.

If there's no need to gate-keep, then quit trying to redefine what OSR is just to try and keep out people who disagree with your tastes and opinions. Learn to accept that other people define OSR differently than you do, and come to understand that a 4chan general is open to everyone who wants to discuss that topic.

If what you really want is a narrow general for your one true path, then label yourself appropriately, you /brosrg/-retard.

>>96919333
>Trying to use enworld, twitter or reddit as an authority on anything should be a matter of concern
"Just about everywhere that OSR are discussed" isn't an "authority". The fuck are you even trying to say here?
Even on Dragonsfoot there's people using BROSR as I've described it.

> I care about retards using words as if they knew what they meant and then crying about reddit using them wrong as well as an excuse.
You're crying because you thought you knew what the word meant but you were really just seeing it through your incredibly autistic style: obsessing about details so hard you miss the bigger picture.

"BrOSR" is not some technical term used to designate a singular style of play.
It's a commonly used pejorative for idiots like you

>>96918410
>political about it.
Very much so
He or that other troll anon also keep trying to make acks-hate about supposedly mackris being a poltard and not the real reasons acks gets shit on
1 - everyone is tired of his shilling
2 - it's a terrible bloated system which doesn't even work and the writing is just as terrible and bloated

>>96918429
Nope, sorry, you're mistaken! 2e has never been on-topic in this thread, as it is not an OSR game. Try /2eg/! Hope this helps.

>>96918539
The OP would never say DCC is OSR, since like 2e, it's not an OSR game. Unlike 2e, it's clearly OSR-adjacent, however, and there might even have been a strong argument for its inclusion if it weren't for the fact that the game's creator says outright that it's not OSR.

>>96918592
>It shouldn't be a big deal. For most of the /osrg/'s history it wasn't.
This is true. For most of the history of /osrg/ it was never a big deal that 2e doesn't belong here. It's just one motivated troll who's trying to force it in by flooding the thread.

>>96919230
>they claim AD&D RAW is the one true way, yet the longest and most famous BroSR campaign used ACKS.

That's the kind of hypocrisy you can count on at this point.

>>96919694
Sorry fishfag, 2e is off-topic here, as always. Try another thread.

>>96919713
I think you replied to the wrong person. That's exactly what I'm saying, 2e isn't an OSR game and as such, is off-topic in this general, like it's always been.

>the fake /osr/ thread is completely dead ever since this thread was posted because Fishfag is too busy spamming this one with his retarded schizo take on what BrOSR means to try to maintain an illusion of people trying to have sincere conversations about OSR games there
lmao, you gotta love these moments when it becomes obvious that it's all just one obsessed discord tranny. watch as the thread mysteriously comes back to life now just because I pointed it out

>>96919700
Hypocrisy from BrOSR or ACKS fags?

>>96919376
That post from Dragonsfoot correctly points out that the BroSR guys think than AD&D RAW is the only way to play D&D. Here we overwhelmingly recommend B/X over AD&D. Again, this is you not understanding the term, which is not surprising considering you've just proved you can't even read.

>>96919348
Who is redefining the meaning of OSR? I just pointed out, with more than enough arguments I believe, that using BroSR to mean "any chud who thinks Shadowdark is not OSR" shows you don't know what you're talking about. And if you don't care that's fine, but understand then that I might not give much weight to any other take you might have, especially concerning the definition of OSR.

>>96919861
>That post from Dragonsfoot correctly points out that the BroSR guys think than AD&D RAW is the only way to play D&D.
No it's not correctly pointing out what BrOSR think. BrOSR do not play AD&D1e rules to the letter (and even play ACKS, apparently), and the main thing that poster is complaining about is the BrOSR saying [anything other than the way they play] isn't playing Real D&D. What that poster isn't caring about, but you are fixated upon, is what exactly the BrOSR are claiming is the only Real D&D, which is why he didn't even bother to find out what sort of bizarre interpretation of which sets of rules each individual of the BrOSR is demanding everyone to take as seriously as they do.

People don't care in what specific manner you are splitting hairs and being a fussy baby. They care about you being obnoxious idiots who give the OSR a bad name, to the point where many creators are happy to have their games called NuSR or OSR-adjacent just so they are not associated with the BrOSR who are claiming that they way they play is the only true OSR way. We're talking about not guys who claim their beliefs are BrOSR, but BrOSR like yourself who want to claim their personal and narrow view is the "true" OSR.

> I just pointed out, with more than enough arguments I believe,
All you've demonstrated is that you are hoping to use your austism to avoid being called BrOSR, when it is your autism that is earning you that label. You're actually trying to pull a "No, everyone is using it wrong, I am the one who know's the one true definition of BrOSR", even when we've got ample demonstrations that no, there is no singular definition of what each BrOSR person believes is the "Real" D&D, and the only connecting fibers is their close-minded and abrasive attitudes while nestling themselves like parasites within the OSR community, something you embody entirely. You are BrOSR.

>>96919861
You do realize that there's no point in trying to have a discussion with the resident schizo troll, right? He's so torqued by the OP being cleaned up by common consent that he's making up an entire revisionist history of the OSR so that he can be right in his own mind, he's never going to listen to something as comparatively trivial as you pointing out to him that he has absolutely no idea what "BrOSR" means. That doesn't matter. To him it's going to mean exactly what he needs it to in order to prop up his demented world view.

Instead of trying to engage with him, just rejoice that something as simple as clarifying the OP text was apparently enough to send him completely around the bend.

>>9691992
>it's not an identifier, it's an insult!
>be insulted!
compelling argument

>>96919960
I don't think anyone is expecting you to agree to wear the insult. In fact, the question is really just how far you'd go to try and avoid being called BrOSR.
And, it seems that rather than just change your behavior from being a BrOSR, you'd rather try to gaslight everyone into thinking that no one is allowed to call you BrOSR because you think it means something different than how people are using everywhere that OSR is discussed.
It's one hell of a cope, you BrOSR.

>>96917951
Hijack how?
Why dont you make your own thread?

>>96918005
So what? Feel free to go else if you don't like the thread.

>>96918062
And you should go play in traffic after sundown.
*blows a fat greasy brOSR pepperoni fart down your throat*
U hungry Lil ESL?

>>96918144
>The hacker known as 4chan has set his sights on the helpless OSR community, hijacking and corrupting, slowly taking control of old school gaming across the entire Internets!!!
Thanks for the laugh, fishfren

>>96918206
No it's not. Is shadowdark on topic?

Also, I'll concede if you can post your current 2e char sheet.

>>96918244
So maybe go to one of those safe spaces and stay there?

>>96918337
>links some retarded reddit post instead of using his own words
*Slides my brOSR cock down your throat*
My thread, now, boy

>>96918404
>DID THE HECKIN 4CHONG DO AN ROICISM?

>>96919230
>yet the longest and most famous BroSR campaign used ACKS
The guy who ran that switched to Adnd 1e

>>96918429
I don't think it was the first time, I think this one's older
>No General? OSR General
>ITT: Discussing TSR-Era D&D and games that were inspired by it.

You're right that 2e was just something people discussed, even people who didn't like 2e gave helpful answers that actually addressed the questions.

>>96919679
Nope, sorry, you're mistaken.

>>96919694
>Can't answer the question
How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast today?
Is shadowdark OSR and on-topic?
Do you have a character sheet from *any* game?
Please answer honestly

>>96920133
Times change, games off topic now. Cope sneethe etc

>>96920144
from
>>>2e has never been on-topic in this thread
to
>Times change, games off topic now.
So you've admitted that 2e was on topic in osrg. There might be hope for you yet.

>>96920152
Nah I just don't care about entertaining your autism. Either status start talking about 2e or posting a character sheet, or I'll just go right back to raping your face in public

>>96920152
I could sense your ESL excitement through the screen

>>96920133
>You're right that 2e was just something people discussed, even people who didn't like 2e gave helpful answers that actually addressed the questions.
No, that's incorrect. 2e was never discussed in this general except to say that it's off-topic, since its not an OSR game.

>>96918902
Maybe try getting a screencap from an osrg thread next time

5e D&D is a faithful modern clone of old-school D&D.

>>96920317
Preach it, xister!

>>96920317
You already posted this in another thread!

>>96920187
>2e was never discussed in this general except to say that it's off-topic, since its not an OSR game.
No, that's incorrect. 2e was discussed in this general for reasons other than saying it's off topic.

>I respect 1st edition more for coming first and paving new ground, while 2nd edition just kind of spit-shined 1st edition. Still, taken on its own, 2e is better organized and discards some of the stupid rules and clutter 1e had. It did, however, lose some of 1e's energy and wonder, and its DMG is pathetic compared to the rambling but awesome tome of ideas that 1e gave you.

T1 Hommlet / OSE Incandescent Grottoes referee here. Using OSE Classic.

The Thief and the the Magic User discovered a new room where the floor is a metalic wire fence balanced above an acidic pit. The Thief took a shot at it by sprinting on it, so the trap obviously fired up and the poor scoundrel slided down into the pit. I openly rolled for damage: 6 out of a 1D6, he was down to 4hp after his fight with the carcass crawler so that was it for him. Both gamers are new to RPG so I was looking for a reaction while giving the Thief's player a new character sheet but she immediatly rolled like 13 for Strength (her former Thief was 8) and, from then on, she never rolled bellow 12 plus got a 16 on Dexterity so she was pumped up! We both agreed this might have been for the best and as much as everybody loved Trevor he was a time ticking bomb.

The Magic User stood there for a bit checking his option when he heard a voice from the opposite side: the freshly rolled Halfling. Both of them were keen to get out so they teamed up. On their way home they finally met the doppelganger. What a tough coconut! HD4 against a LVL 1 Halfling and LVL 2 Magic User so it quickly turned into a bloodbath. They flew after a single round and the doppelganger chased them for 3 more rounds before stumbling on the 7 kobolds from Room 4 so they enjoyed this distraction to bugger off, never looking over their shoulder.

1/2

>>96920325
Can't hide from the trvth!

>>96920341
Back to Hommlet they told their story to the Magic User's master and he offered them 1k coins for a dead doppelganger, 2k for a live one. They spent the night at his tower, found the former Thief's secret stach (2k), resupplied at the market in the morning. Chatting with the sellers they let out that Trevor (the former Thief) was dead so it turned into a shitshow because Trevor was supposed to pay for the new castle. A few people started to talk about the construction site being cursed and someone brought the mayor in. The Magic User tried to talk them down by openly announcing he will finance the bastion himself. The mayor told them to meet him for lunch at the Inn.

Once there he told them the curse might be bullshit but it was very real to the workers so no one will build jackshit until the corpse of the first castellan was brought back for proper burial. Added that he left months ago on a quest north of here to retrieve a holy artefact from a giant spiders den and if they promised to bring his body back he'll leave them a cart with two mules to help. They agreed but then used the new vehicle to try and bring back the doppelganger from the Incandescent Grottoes instead. Bastards.

Quick dive in, they found 6 kobold corpses, a large trail of blood going from this room to the doppelganger's lair but the Magic User couldn't give two shits and started mining some cristals. The bruised but crazied doppelganger immediatly came after them and following a tense fight the Halfling managed to rope it down! They jumped back in the cart and managed to keep the doppelganger under control for the whole journey back to Hommlet. They reached the tower where the Magic User's teacher smiled at them and it was time to call it a night.

2/2

>>96920341
>>96920343
Thanks for the report! What are your thoughts on Hommlet vs KotB as a starting locale?

Curious about everybody's thoughts on the topic. Except for fishfag's. Not that he ever has anything constructive to contribute to any discussion anyway.

>>96920329
And yet you still refuse to fucking talk about it or post a character sheet?

FAQ from Negrotic Gnome on the OSE update

https://necroticgnome.com/blogs/news/ose-2026-update-faq

There's some actually good changes, I see. What stands out to me is
>Training time and cost to level up.
Which is a good addition if done well.

Sadly, it doesn't seem he's going to fix his error on encumbrance. I suspect he's just not aware of it. Somebody should tell him.

>>96920341
>>96920343
This sounds like fun. It's silly as hell but I never get tired of having the party mourn a dead PC just to find that player's brand new character just around the corner and having him join the party just because. I don't care if it's a west marches or you're exploring the sixth level of a dungeon on some fucked up plane, say hi to Maggie the LVL1 Cleric of Happy Rainbows.

>They agreed but then used the new vehicle to try and bring back the doppelganger from the Incandescent Grottoes instead.
My guys. They might be new to RPGs but already get the OSR!

>>96920660
Also:
>OSE-Classic will still be available as a PDF and print in demand
>The online SRD will remain and be updated.
I'd say good news all around, it's not AS BAD as some of us feared it might be.

>>96920660
He probably doesn't care, they use the Equipment Slot house rule (as most sensible people should).

>>96920683
>they use the Equipment Slot house rule
That's a completely unrelated thing. Whether you count encumbrance by the coin or round it to the slot, armour worn should STILL give a cap to movement speed, as it is in both B/X and AD&D.

>>96918501
words of wisdom

>>96918501
>>96920690
Seething mad nogames samefag

>>96920660
That sounds like good news, right? Also seems that he will keep using the word "races", which is excellent.

>>96920737
Agree. I'm fairly optimistic at this point.

>>96920341
>>96920343
Good times, Anon! I too especially liked
>They agreed but then used the new vehicle to try and bring back the doppelganger from the Incandescent Grottoes instead. Bastards.

Your player's cool for taking the Thief's death on the chin. That's the spirit!

>>96920752
>Your player's cool for taking the Thief's death on the chin. That's the spirit!
NTA. Thought the same!

>>96920678
Huh! Yeah, not bad actually.

>>96920758
Good, good. Now hoping Finch comes to his senses with OSRIC 3.0, but I'm afraid he's dead set on some of his bullshit.

I think the inability to remain faithful to the source material might be an ego thing.

>>96920765
You might be on to something. I don't always agree with Gavin, but I think he's fairly humble.

>>96920689
I'm not his knowledgeable, could you explain to me what the problem with ose encumbrance is?

>>96920811
Look at this page, specifically what Gavin calls "Option 1" and "Option 2":
https://oldschoolessentials.necroticgnome.com/srd/index.php/Time,_Weight,_Movement#Option_1:_Basic_Encumbrance

By the book in B/X (and in AD&D), those are not two options: You calculate both, and the WORSE of the two applies.

>>96920832
>By the book in B/X (and in AD&D), those are not two options: You calculate both, and the WORSE of the two applies.
NTA. I think that the Moldvay rules are a bit ambiguous on this point. And so are the PHB ones, for that matter. Both your interpretation and Gavin's one are tenable, IMHO.

>>96920765
>>96920776
The player's guide draft for OSRIC 3 does indeed use the word ancestries instead of races. My take here is that Finch thinks this kind of worked for S&W and sees it as some sort of harmless concession to the fabled "modern audiences", similar to having optional AAC. Most grognards (Finch included) will still call them races (and use THAC0) and that will be it.

im really getting into dungeon crawlers like ker nethalas and general games like mork borg/other borgs
how the fuck do i git gud at drawing maps and shit when im crawling dungeons or exploring the world

i literally have a graphomotor dysfunction so my hand won't do what i tell it to when doing fine motor functions and i have to brute force shit
i've gotten around this when trying to draw when i was around 10, my dad taught me "automatic drawing", i do that then interpret the scribbled mess as either what i want it to represent, or let it become it's own thing. makes really fun unique art.

but this doesn't work for mapping and shit. any ideas?

>>96919805
Or?

>>96921019
Try >>96829321 for borgy dungeons, the design is a different thing than most osr dungeons.

>>96921019
You mean like, you're the mapper? I gotta admit, you've got more moxie than I do, I would've just gotten one of the other players to do the mapping.

That said my first thought would be to use a simple mapper like Dungeonscrawl on your phone, but I honestly don't know whether it even works well on phones, let alone whether your graphomotor issue would fuck with that too.

>>96921051
I remember when the /osrg/ was about discussing all the OSR.

>>96920660
Most of the OSE Advanced renditions of AD&D only classes, races and spells are pretty broken. And keeping the race-classes in addition doesn't make things better or clearer. Compare a gnome illusionist to the gnome race-class, for instance.

>>96921019
use dungeonscrawl onlinie

>>96921086
i compared them...what am i looking for?

>>96921051
Don't be overexacting, it's not like he's asking about 2e. His issue is clearly the same regardless of which game is being played.

>>96921123
You're really gonna lean in on that whole "Yeah, it was just about seething about 2e" type of hypocrisy?

>>96921087
oh shit this is sick thanks

>>96921136
id rather a borgtard than a 2igger

>>96921144
Yeah but you're just BrOSR.

>>96921140
yeah NP its what I use when I make maps.
Make sure that when you export, you set pixel per incj to 99 for maximum (free) resolution. You can also import your own token/tile/clipart sets.

Use this to make the maps, and use owlbear rodeo to play them :)

>>96921151
no I dont play 1e, I play BX, thanks tho

>>96921095
Gnome rc gets better saves, more armor options, any weapons appropriate to size instead of only dagger and maybe staff, hiding and can advance further than a gnome illusionist despite both representing the same character concept and the gnome rc being a derivative of illusionist.

>>96921162
No need to play 1e. The worst BrOSR played ACKS.

okay, good for you? idgaf lmoa

>>96921192
nigger, brosr plays 1e btb raw. Youre a mindbroken brown esl shitskin retard who doesnt even have a character sheet
LOL

>>96921219
That's cool but there's a link >>96919125
https://bdubsanddragons.blogspot.com/2021/07/jeffrogaxian-time-keeping-vs-variable.html
That super cringe hyper BrOSRG playing ACKS.
>>96919230
This guy also saying most famous BrOSRG played ACKS.

Weird as fuck, right?

>>96918144
i don't have any strong opinions on Matt Finch or S&W, his adventures are fine and the game seems fine. it's at least compatible with the games i do like.

but what i didn't like was his old-school primer or whatever it was called. "i do a ninja spin drop attack!" is the kind of shit groups SHOULDN'T be "improvising" in D&D.

>>96920634
Haven't tried Keep on the Borderlands yet so I can't compare actual gameplay. That being said I can still indulge you from what I picked up:

>B2 vs T1 on a meta level:
B2 was not really needed because B1 by Mike Carr was already in the boxed set. But at this time TSR was sharing 5% of the sells to any module writer and B1 being part of the starter set meant Mike Carr doubled his salary at the time. Gygax wanted a slice of that sweet pie plus Mike Carr was close friend with Arneson so too bad for him I guess.
T1 on the other is AD&D's introduction module by Gygax himself for his very own pet edition. You can bet a great deal more love was put into it.

>B2 vs T1 on a practical level:
I guess living in a Keep is nice. But it's easier to entice my players into spending money faster than they can loot by having the main base of operations being a whole village with various crafters, plus some houses and even a castle being built there if you can afford it.

I've read once that on a world building level the Keep should be guarding the Temple and Hommlet should be close to the Caves. As a newcomer, after a quick overlook it made sense to me so that's what I'm doing. The giant spiders den the party might go and cleanse soon is directly extracted from B2: they have the Incandescent Grottoes by the West road, the Caves not far North and can travel down to the Keep guarding the Temple by the South.

If the mayor of Hommlet succeed in having the local castle being built then the castellan from the Keep itself will be pissed of af and emergent gameplay will ensue. It's a problem for conquerors so my adventurers have no clue yet and I didn't look into it too much for now (who's vassal to who and what not).

>>96921270
>his old-school primer
Yeah, it was pretty crap.

>>96921238
literally nobody gives a fuck except you, samefag.
Do you even have a character in *any* game?

>>96921238
>BrOSRG
lmao your desperate flailing is really bizarre to behold

>>96921238
>buffalo wild wings and dragons
>"I am *the* authority of Jeffrogygaxian timekeeping!"
lmao this esl retard seething over a years old troll post,

>>96921287
>Rights conspiracy theory
Yeah, I don't know about that. I think it's bullshit, but more importantly I don't care, because B2 is MUCH better than B1. So if that means Gygax got more in royalties and Carr got less, it was deserved.


>The giant spiders den the party might go and cleanse soon is directly extracted from B2: they have the Incandescent Grottoes by the West road, the Caves not far North and can travel down to the Keep guarding the Temple by the South.
Nice. Good setup.

>If the mayor of Hommlet succeed in having the local castle being built then the castellan from the Keep itself will be pissed of af and emergent gameplay will ensue. It's a problem for conquerors so my adventurers have no clue yet and I didn't look into it too much for now (who's vassal to who and what not).
Excellent. Do keep us updated on your campaign.

>>96921238
are you the same retard who claimed that RPGpundit was teaming up with brosr to destroy gaming forever?

>>96921238
>retard falls for a literal trollblog
are ESLs really this easy to trick?

>>96920660
wow a new edition of B/X Essentials: Revised: Definitive Edition: v2.1?

what's next, splitting the Dolmenwood gazetteer into three books?

>>96921370
>BrOSR are dumb trolls
...Were you hoping to convince people of anything else?

>>96921386
>he got trolled so hard that hes begging for someone to help him

>>96921392
...Are you actually ESL?

>>96921287
NAYRT but that's a good rundown Anon, interesting thoughts.

>>96921180
I didn't check the gnome, but there's a similar issue with the Elf race-class being better than an Elf Fighter / Magic User. I think Gavin even admits it, but it's kind of unavoidable if you want to present both options side by side in the same book.

Not a fan, not the end of the world either.

>>96921403
>im not esl, you are!
the classic "no u" of the seething retard

>>96920660
What's the encumbrance error you mentioned?

>>96921426
>Elf race-class being better than an Elf Fighter / Magic User
explain?

>>96921086
>spells are pretty broken
This is more concerning. Can you share a few spells that you think are broken, and how?

>>96921370
Are you kidding? The kind of grasping at straws he's doing? You know he's that easy to fool.

>>96919694
>retard misses the point because he too busy being being assblasted about 2e being on topic.

>>96921429
Just pointing out your hypocrisy of raving about ESL when you have difficulty reading.

>>96919743
Yes, you are retarded like him.

>>96921461
But you're a literal, actual, factual ESL, crying "no u!" isnt going to help at all.

>>96920706
Or maybe you are just a faggot, OP.

>>96921463
>>96921488
>everyone I dont like is my bogeyman, OP
care to post your 2e char sheet?

>>96921478
Okay and all, but how's your latest tantrum supposed to stop people from calling you BROSR?

>>96920978
>Finch thinks this kind of worked for S&W and sees it as some sort of harmless concession to the fabled "modern audiences"
I agree that that's probably his motivation. Doesn't change that that's not something that should be conceded in a project that claims faithfulness to AD&D. Ditto what he's doing with the Monk. And it's an issue because there's no alternative when it comes to AD&D retroclones, so we're kinda stuck with it. I wish he just stuck to Clarifying the rules and presenting them in a better organised manner.

I don't care what he does with S&W because it's his own shitbrew house rules with stuff like single save. I'm not going to be recommending it as an OD&D clone anyway, there's ample choice of better books for that.

Anyway, not the end of the world, just annoying and disappointing. I'll keep using my Orange Spine originals and that's it.

>>96921505
see >>96921414
this is now brOSRg, the acks general.
get fucked and kill yourself

>>96921499
What about you go be retarded faggot somewhere else?

>beg anon to prove he plays 2e by posting a char sheet
>he cries that posting his sheet will get him doxed
LEL

>>96921525
you have no sheet because you dont play!

>>96921441
4,000 XP rather than 4,500, the whole "discount" going into the MU side of the class, so it levels up much faster than the AD&D-style one.

>>96921539
are the two functionally different in any mechanical way?

>>96921437
NTA. He (or somebody else?) Explained it here: >>96920832, but also see this reply >>96920880

>>96921556
I can follow the reply chain, I dont need you replying to me with my own (You)s

>>96921238
Man, there's no fucking way that the whole 2e hate and ACKS shilling were actually linked like this.

>>96921580
yeah, this 4 year old parody blogpost is exactly why you dont discuss 2e and why acks gets played

>>96921546
Very minor changes, the other big one is level limits. He didn't port over MANY of the PHB Elf special abilities. Would have been another matter if it got the increased surprise, improved secret door detection, immunities, bonuses to attacks with swords and bows, and so on.

>>96921530
>>96921537
Yes, we can tell you don't play anything other than penises as shown by your crying about a boogeyman

>>96921604
Feel free to post your character sheet and I'll post mine!
You do play games, right?

>>96921604
neither of those posts mention a 'bogeyman'. are you a broken AI bot?

>>96921594
The guy has been doing quite a lot of that parody thing. Lots and lots of blogposting with that persona.
>https://bdubsanddragons.blogspot.com/2025/07/how-to-make-d-after-action-reports-as.html
Whoa, here's him explaining how important making session reports is to BrOSR. I wonder if there's any example of people you can think of that have made any really autistic session reports?

is it just me or is expedtion to barrier peaks a tedious slog?

woah, brosr is based???

>>96921727
chat, can I get a vibe check? these BrOSR are looking pretty sus, no cap

>>96921732
whats the 4chan.com for @grok?

>>96921693
I never managed to finish reading it, but some people swear by it.

>>96921732
The BrOSR being all "strict 1e only, except also ACKS" is genuinely one of the funniest things I've learned in one of these threads.

>>96921747
real recognizes real

fuck, brosr is based, long live /brosg/!

>>96921488
would i select the bottom-right square, here?

>>96921639
Nope, you are just retarded. This >>96921633 dumb faggot has been crying about character sheet to many users because he thinks every person who disagrees with him in one way or other is the same anon.

>>96921783
yes, ignore the seething nogames ESL

>>96921799
You would be easier to ignore if you just fucked off.

>>96921805
>>96921796
You dont have a character sheet.
Why? Because you dont play any games at all.
:)

>>96921657
Are you fucking kidding me.

>>96921805
post your sheet, esl 2etard

>>96921813
>>96921829
Yes, you don't have a brain.

>>96921848
I have a character sheet (from multiple systems) I can post, do you have even one character sheet at all?

>>96921871
No one cares that you play ACKS, retard. Everyone just wants you to stop shitting up these thread.

>>96921909
Its not ACKS actually, theyre BX, 1e, and LOTFP. What system is your sheet for?

>>96921923
>theyre BX, 1e, and LOTFP
Good for you, fagtard. No one cares.

>>96921986
You dont have a character sheet because you dont play games.

>>96922001
You don't have a brain because you replaced it with butthurt about 2e being OSR.

2e isnt OSR, you dont play games, youre a third world ESL, and ACKS BRSOR alliance rapes your grandmother to death if you reply to this post

My readingcomp is in the shitter, who's currently winning the Drag Show for being the most gay in thread?

>>96922043
that would be fishfag, the resident esl nogames who has never once played D&D in it's life (no character sheet)

>>96922028
>retard is shitting himself because his boogeyman will not post a character sheet.
ACKS is a fine game and is OSR like 2e.

>>96922109
>bogeyman
you mean the person replying to me?
just post a char sheet, its reallll easy

>>96922043
Fish stick brain as shown by >>96922028 and >>96922028.

>>96922121
>no sheet
>no games
>no bitches
>esl
Y I K E S

>>96922120
If you read posts and not just rub your tard ass on your keyboard you would see that I can't be your boogeyman as I see ACKS I don't hate ACKS, a key part of the boogeyman who lives rent free in your head.

>>96922153
Enough about you and your smells, retard.

>>96922164
>>96922174
THE MAD MINOTAUR OF MAKE-BELIEVE CAN SMELL A FALSE PLAYER FROM A MILE AWAY! WHEN THE TRUE WARRIORS ARE OUT THERE, ROLLIN’ SAVES VS. DEATH, FIGHTIN’ GELATINOUS CUBES IN THE DARKNESS OF THE UNDERWORLD, YOU’RE SITTIN’ ON YOUR COUCH TALKIN’ ABOUT “THE VIBE” OF THE OLD SCHOOL?!? THE VIBE?!? THE VIBE DON’T SAVE YOU FROM A CRITICAL HIT, BROTHER!

SO WHATCHA GONNA DO… WHEN THE REAL DUNGEON CRAWLERS COME RUNNIN’ WILD ON YOU, AND YOUR PRETEND DICE CAN’T SAVE YOU FROM THE WRATH OF THE OSR MANIACS, YEAH!!!

>>96922164
>>96922174
>SAAR I AM NOT A SMELLY ESL NOGAMES SAAR, PLEASE BELIEVING AND TO DO THE SNEEDFUL

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>>96922216
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>>96922206
>t. retard who found himself.

>>96922232
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I can't even tell what you incoherent freaks are even arguing about

This guy sucks at puppet shows.

>>96922309
lurk moar faggot

>>96922309
>>96922330
>he cant the posts
it worked!

>>96921344
Thanks anon. I'm not losing sleep over Gygax or Arneson, don't worry. I was not blaming Gary but stating why I guessed T1 could -potentialy- be more everything than B2. I could be really wrong though but I ended up using both so no big deal.

I heard this version of the story in a video a few months ago:
youtu.be/3ExWrF06HDY - timestamp 17:57

Hit me up if you know anything about it. It's cool trivia, I like it.

>>96922659
Thanks for the link, I'll have a listen now.

>>96922659
For what it's worth, I've also heard the Carr story from more than one source: that Gygax didn't realize how well the Holmes basic set would sell and then when he did, he decided he'd rather get that sweet sweet box set money himself. I don't know why Anon's questioning it.

>>96922247
>>96922226
wow, it worked?

>>96922309
They are just rubbing their asses on their keyboard now.

>>96922216
>>96922226
Some of us can. Not the fishfag, though.

>>96923005
>retard ESL legit cant read the posts
BAHAHAHA YOU STUPID FUCK

Has anybody got cleaned up versions of the maps from Expedition to the Barrier Peaks? The ones on my PDF suck ass.

>>96923317
yeah, i do. whats it worth to ye?

Session 4 of Stonehell on the Borderlands last night. The party actually found treasure! I was advised to handle the town aspects of the session ahead of time in the discord and this worked well - when we all met at the table players had already geared up, hired henchmen & decided on a goal for the session.
The party wanted to further explore the first level of the dungeon, and find the lock that matched the key they found last week. This was aided by an encounter with kobolds early who pointed them in the right direction after soliciting a bribe. The party were pretty tactical in clearing out the rooms of the crypts on the first level, only losing one henchwoman to a giant rat. Although they were very lucky with surprise & initiative, looking back I think maybe there was one instance where a Ghoul should have heard the previous battles and not been capable of being surprised.
Later a patrol of Orcs were attracted by the echoing shout of “Secret door secret door!” from one MU & the party were made aware of their approach as they tried to break down the locked gate to the crypt. This was another sequence where I’m not sure how it should have gone: the players approached the gate in their marching order & the MU cast sleep - I let it take the Orcs out because technically it was planned before initiative was rolled, but at first I thought the Orcs would be smart enough to target the MU with bows if given the chance.
As the two options baked down to “spoil the plan and kill the MU” or “let the wandering monster be neutralised” I chose the latter, once again taking it easy on the party when perhaps I should have fucked them over. They returned to the keep, earning enough xp to get roughly halfway to level 2.

>>96923324
I offer an infographics on Moldvay's encumbrance rules.

>>96923338
Kek. It's shit but I want it know.

>>96923208
Ironic coming from the retard who keeps missing the bit about not hating ACKS.

>>96923330
Thanks for the update!

>the players approached the gate in their marching order & the MU cast sleep - I let it take the Orcs out because technically it was planned before initiative was rolled
Spells are ALWAYS planned before initiative is rolled. If you allow them to also be cast before initiative is rolled, you're effectively granting the party a round of surprise.

>the Orcs would be smart enough to target the MU with bows if given the chance
The Orcs have to do action declarations before initiative as well (at least that's how it works in AD&D), so when they declare their actions they don't know that the MU will be casting. Only if they DO declare that they are shooting their bows AND they win initiative do they then get to target the MU.

So...
>As the two options baked down to “spoil the plan and kill the MU” or “let the wandering monster be neutralised” I chose the latter, once again taking it easy on the party when perhaps I should have fucked them over.
Not a tragedy, but from how you describe it it sounds like you got it wrong. Running it by the book actually keeps you from having to take those matters into your hands.

1. Check for surprise. Remember that monsters can't be surprised if the party are carrying torches.
2. Roll for reactions. If a battle ensues.
3. THEN ask for action declarations, and decide the Orcs' action declarations in your mind while the players debate.
4. Roll initiative.
5. Play the Orcs to the best of their abilities, taking into account situations and intelligence.

If the players try to declare their actions before you even check for surprise, ignore their declarations. Check for surprise with an open roll, tell them the outcome. Roll for reactions with an open roll, tell them the outcome. If a battle ensues, ask for action declarations again THEN.

>>96923375
>It's shit but I want it know.
You're not getting them with that attitude. I've found the maps in the meantime, thank you very much.

>>96923338
ill post them but u gotta do better than that!
do you want the more drab, or more colorful (with artistic liberty) maps?

>>96923330
Nice, Anon! Dealing with the pre-delve stuff in advance was definitely the right call.

>looking back I think maybe there was one instance where a Ghoul should have heard the previous battles and not been capable of being surprised
Eh, this is what referee judgment is for. Not like the players can articulate a sensible complaint no matter how you rule it. If you think it was the wrong call, just rule differently next time.

>This was another sequence where I’m not sure how it should have gone
I think the way you handled this was fine. Yeah, technically maybe the orcs and PCs should have rolled initiative, giving the orcs a chance to outspeed and nail the M-U, but... again, what, the player's going to complain? Doubtful. If it nags at you, rule differently next time. No biggie.

>>96923391
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>>96923434
Yes, everyone can tell you love shoving your keyboard into your tard ass.

>>96923419
>do you want the more drab, or more colorful (with artistic liberty) maps?
Ideally high resolution versions of the original ones. Don't have to be vomit blue, can be B/W.

Second pick: Something that looks old school.

More colourful with actual artistic liberty: Curious.

Don't bother if it's 5e style multicolor faggotry that looks like a video game: Thanks, but don't bother.

>>96923330
If you think they approach the game sensibly there's nothing wrong with being sloppy once or twice a game. Way better than fudging rolls in my humble opinion. Next time you want to wash your hands out of it just roll 1D6 openly and declare 1-3 chance of spoiling the plan and 4-6 chance of being neutralized. I'm sure it was a good sesh anon. Don't beat yourself over it.

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>>96923442
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>>96923457
your ungrateful attitude has turned me off of the matter. Find them yourself.

>>96923462
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>>96923479
lmao youre confounded and cant reply because you cant actually read the posts (ESL problem only)

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>>96923497
Just because you can read hitting keyboard with stupid face does not mean everyone can.

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>>96923567
I'm sorry buddy but this is way too much fun so you better get your shit together because it's here to stay.

>>96923569
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>>96923317
Ignore the cunt.
level 01 - v1

>>96923630
level 01 - v2

>>96923585
Yes, we can tell you are not removing your keyboard from your ass.

>>96923607
>>96923636

>>96923317
>>96923630
>>96923634
These were samples. I've uploaded the full set of 13 image here:
https://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/td3QzWQMx07lfLbi6v1l0LlsEmA%2Bv5kEuxWFjLF1ZrG79grPWF8jNf%2BQbKp%2F7FQIxT%2FsYBCvTGtMbrFgemI7ScmzZHxdyJJAQ31rLOI1TxI

>>96923630
if he wanted better attitude he should have tried not being a smary bitch when hes begging to be spoonfed. Ive reported your link for csam

>>96923643
these are terrible quality.

>>96923648
>if he wanted better attitude
I'm the one who originally asked for the images and I'm now sharing my finds.

You're the resource-hogging cunt who doesn't deserve the 4chan sharing culture and who should commit ritual suicide together with fishfag.

I expected better attitude because I offer better attitude than yours. And asking Anons for help is not asking to be "spoon fed".

>>96923669
They're much better than the ones that come with the PDF of the module.

>>96923636
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>>96923678
Disregard that whiny homo, Anon. I wish I could've helped you but I just didn't have the maps.

what a benighted thread

>>96923678
>resource-hogging cunt
its a good thing you learned to do the work yourself instead of begging :)

>>96923696
i actually lold

peace...at last...
thank you macris, thank you roman swine
glory be to gary (pbuh)

I can practically see him scrambling trying to figure out what to do

I don't think that ACKS is that good. It has too much freakshit character options, focuses too much on simulationism and just barely dodges degree on buildfaggotry. I think Marcis is a chud piece of shit as well but I'm not gonna hold it against the game.
Does that make me fishfag by proxy? While I don't hate 2e I don't think it's in line with 1e quality wise.

>>96923866
no but it makes you very reddit.

>>96923866
>It has too much freakshit character options
Shallow
>Focuses too much on simulationism
Cringe
>Just barely dodges degree on buildfaggotry
Weak
>Spoiler
Outright retarded

Yeah, that's Reddit alright.

In Gamma World, every monster has its own powers that are the same for all individuals of the species.

However, when you roll a mutant PC, whether mutated human or animal, it gets its own set of unique powers. How do you interpret this?

A) PCs come from highly mutant stock that changes randomly with each generation.

B) When you generate a mutant PC, you're actually generating the species it belongs to. Add it to the catalogue!

>>96923866
Nobody gives a shit what you think

>>96923888
How so?

>>96923901
I'm sorry I like my fantasy fun and not pozzed by some freakshit.

It dips far too close to 3eaggotry

>Outright retarded

Yes, marcis does seem to be mentally challenged. chuds usually are

>>96923928
>crying that hes a "chud"
>a piece of shit
>retarded
>hiding this opinion with a spoiler
it just reeks of reddit

>>96923915
all PCs are unique, hence having ability scores
>>96923928
>bemoans "pozzed"
>calls macris a "chud"
lmao your b8 skills are decent but you overpoayed your hand

>>96923948
I know that /pol/ tourists are used to just shitting their political opinion everywhere but this didn't use to be the norm on boards that are not a septic tank for human refuse.

>>96923928
>I like my fantasy fun and not pozzed by some freakshit.
Learn to say no to your players then, retard-kun. Every single class, race, ect, outside of the core ones is up to you as DM to include or exclude from your setting.
That's the big virtue of ACKS if anything, you can select a handful of classes and in doing so make an entirely unique setting.
A campaign where the four classes are fighter, thief, cleric, mage, has an entirely different texture to one where the four classes are barbarian, freebooter, chosen and ecclesiastic (Or even just barbarian, freebooter, chosen could work for a really wild campaign.)
If you can't bring yourself to say "Here are the limits of my campaign" and run every game as a kitchen sink, yeah, I can see why the toolbox system that lets you custom-build would baffle you.
Less is, sometimes, more and to properly use ACKS you need to know what you want going in.
And if you don't?
Skill issue.

>>96923981
Why print objectively worthless classes then, dear moron? You can be perfectly good barbarian by just playing a fighter. I can manage my game fine, I just see not reason to waste ink to print subpar shit like freakshit in ACKS.

>>96917951
>now

>>96923997
>They're worthles-
And thus you prove everything I said about you. Well done.

>>96924006
Not an argument.

>>96923964
>all PCs are unique, hence having ability scores
Fair enough, ability scores for monsters were introduced in GW2 but they were not there in GW1 or metamorphosis alpha IIRC

>>96924021
I don't have to make one, arguments happen over things that can be debated or need discussing.
You just proved everything I said, why would I argue that the sun rises in the East when I can just point that direction in the morning and let the evidence speak for itself?

>>96924035
Again, not an argument. You haven't disproven a thing I've said. Choking on marcis' freakshit worthless additions to the game like a good shill piggy is not an argument.