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what's the best clan?

>>96927937
Dead clan

>>96927937
Either Horsies or Scorps.

Horse are fully committed and are the reason why Elementals are a thing and Scorps are simply fun.

>>96927937
Null set. There's no such thing as a good clan. All clans and all clan players need to get out of the hobby because they only make it worse by virtue of their existence. Fuck clanners. Battletech never should have left the 3030s.

>>96927937
Wolf in Exile were interesting when it seemed like they were going to give up all the psycho parts of clan culture and just be like one of the important quasi mercenary commands like MAC, the Kell Hounds etc.

Sadly the writers are all cowards and also somehow think clan culture is good.

At what point did the IS start haveing some access to clan stuff? I just think this lance looks cool

>>96927937
Spaniel

>>96913101

Indeed, my fellow nix corvus fan

>>96928011
>Sadly the writers are all cowards and also somehow think clan culture is good.
They not only think its good but are on record as saying its something that humanity should aspire to. The writers are fucking deranged.
>>96928100
3049. As soon as the invasion kicks off the Wolf Dragoons are churning out |Clan tech on Outreach.

>>96928100
Caesar kinda poo poo

>>96928100
Would be fairly normal by Dark Age, and could be an elite unit in FCCW or Jihad era.

>>96928146
>>96928127
Cool, i like the warhammer iic but don't really have a place for it in my clan forces

>>96928157
A Warhammer IIC would not be unheard of within IS, hell even certain Periphery forces by the FCCW, either as salvage or direct trade with the Clans and they wouldn't have that much of an issue maintaining it outside of the cost.

This is a cool thread. It would be a shame is something layered it

>>96928223
Nova Cat is just a Night Gyr for potheads.

>>96928233
>Night Gyr
With the hard R?!?!

>>96928157
>don't really have a place for it in my clan forces
Pocket Assault for urban terrain

>>96927929 (OP)
Does the Butte... does the Butte still Hold?
After all this time?

>>96928184
Sick nasty

Resuming the discussion about mechs and heat sinks I started in the previous thread (https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96912473/#96927399), if the minimum amount of heat sinks for a fusion-powered mech is 10, especially if it's a BattleMech, would you still need more than 10 heat sinks for, say, a hypothetical Hunchback variant that omitted the right arm's medium laser and replaced it with the detachable Harmon large laser (same one used in the Phoenix Hawk-1)?

>>96927937
None they're all really stupid and overstayed their welcome in the Inner Sphere. But if I had to pick one then the Wolverines for telling Nicholas to fuck off.

>>96927937
Ghost Bear, no reason.

>>96928260
You can have hypothetically zero heat sinks. IF you're familiar with the heat rules, you know that you are allowed to build up heat, yeah? It's just that you have to spend turns cooling off.
It's perfectly feasible rules-wise to build a Mech that can't walk without generating excessive heat and having to dump it by standing still for a bit. It's just that it wouldn't be a good Mech.

There are good Mechs out there which if they fired every weapon they had on 1 turn would immediately require a heat check roll.

>>96928245
Yes the Night Gayer, piloted by the Phantom Falcon who has decided to terrorize the Butte Hold by always attacking opponents from the rear.

Modding HBS Battletech rn. I want something like Roguetech, but it runs like shit and I want to limit units to mechs and tanks only.

>>96927937
by far

>>96928285
Ready for her to be replaced by Natasha Kerensky's granddaughter?

>>96927937
My favorite clan is Jaguars but Star Adders are the best clan by far

>>96928127
>humanity should aspire to
I can see where they are coming from doe, as ND nerd person it's really easy to fall for the clans especially if you are newer to battletech.
I didn't really appreciate the Battletech story until I was introduced to the clan side of the story.
The origin story of the clans and each individual clan is something that I related to sometimes especially with Elizabeth, Franklin and Granpa Kerensky.
A spartan society police state caste system where everyday is a battle against your peers and enemies sounds like it would be tiring, so while its fun to yell "MY LIFE FOR HUNTRESS" while my Timberwolf gets cored on mining collective I can understand why it shouldn't be a thing...sort of.

first attempt at a camo, does anyone have any advice to improve? especially on the not killing myself part because I noticed halfway through that the mech doesnt line up with any face on the base and it was way to late to change it.

>>96928527
you kind of put too many layers, but i see the vision.
On your next one if you chill out and use less layers it will look really good.
But minis look better from far away anyway so this is a solid looking camospawn in my opinion.

>>96928523
Clan society is like being in the military 24/7 with virtually zero R&R and no retirement. You work till you die and when you are no longer useful you are disposed of. Frankly the suicide and going postal rate should be through the roof.

>>96928127
>>96928011
>Leftist writers
>like the militaristic, fascist, eugenicist, colonial, caste based society

>>96928579
People just like what they like. They'll come up with excuses later. Hence why you get schizo shit like woke sex slave caste. They're trying to square a circle.

>>96928579
Fascism started out as a left wing ideology :^)
Its more a case the writers are absolutely clueless about what they are writing about and what they are promoting. Unironically they think the Clans are meant to be some sort of Utopian inclusive merit based society and conveniently forget about the whole eugenics, caste and freeborn thing

>>96928527
If you take a literal approach to camo then the silhouette and lines of the mech will get lost, and then you don't get to enjoy looking at your toy robots. I don't think that is a good goal. I believe that mech camo should be designed to give the impression of camo while actually doing the opposite of what camo should do. So like have a two or thee color camo scheme, but then go back and add contra colored details to bring the shape and lines of the mech back into focus. Things like edge chipping, for instance, bring the silhoette back. Things like kill marks, "nose art", slogans, invasion markings, hull numbers, and unit markings add visual interest while helping see the mech.
This is all my personal opinion. I like to look at the toy robots and know what the models are when they're on the table. Really well executed, accurate camo gets in the way.

>>96928573
ha yeah i guess thats another reason why I relate to clanners, because everything in clan society was like being in the marine corps.
Promotion boards, Martial arts training, the punishments and inspections.
Struggling to outclass your peers etc.
But underneath all that was a little bit of comradery and sense of strength since you have to prove you're strong everyday.
Which can sound and look cool but its not always that as cool as it seems.
But it's definitely something that shouldn't be society wide I don't think.
It's definitely a cool idea when you factor in the unfettered scientific advancement and tribal culture stuff which appeals to the kind of nerds that would be into Battletech

>>96927937
By what metric? Cool factor, best mech designs, best in-universe feats, best fans?

I’m most fond of the Ravens since their mechs are fucking 10/10 across the board.

>>96928641
Military life is tolerable because you get to go home at the end of the day, can party, marry strippers, and finance cars on the weekends, and there is a definite time you get out of the military where you get to go back to normal society, expect a discount at restaurants, and pretend you were highspeed while never mentioning your article 15s or the time you were arrested for domestic violence.

>>96928545
>>96928630
Ty for the advice. Ill have a go at making the models look a bit more readable next time.

>>96928268
I liked the Wolverines until Betrayal of Ideals made them Mary Sues.

They could have been very successful and the other Clans jealous, but having then be the best at everything was annoying. The original story that they evacuated the Taven capital before seeing off a nuke at thr main genetic repository as a "fuck you" to the Clans was great and it's not like it made them evil. Having the Ravens nuke themselves just do that the Wolverine could remain competent pure was completely unnecessary.

>>96928804
....i never did any of that stuff...what are you hiding anon?
>>96928857
hell yeah, also there's a method for ghillie i made up where i spray ghillie strands with primer then hit them with some green wash.
If you ever want to add an extra military tactical look to your mechs that's another tool in your toolbox

>>96927979
how are you still a grog?
aren't you like, 70?

>>96927979
also clans have been around since FASA, blaming catalyst seems like a newb thing to do.

>>96928127
>They not only think its good but are on record as saying its something that humanity should aspire to. The writers are fucking deranged.
Everybody thinking that their shit don't stink is the most realistic part of BT.

>>96929009
There are new players who like 3025 era but hate everything after it.

>>96928579
The Clans not caring about gender or sexuality in addition to the communist like command economy model are probably what draw the really super retarded leftists into liking them. Of course those morons also thinknthat the Clans would wasre resourcess on bottom surgery so that tells you something. I've seen the regular retarded leftists hate them because of everything you mentioned but then show their stupidity by saying the devs not getting rid of Clans means they're fascists.

Do the people who exclusively run mechs that get +4 or better TMMs understand how tiresome it is to play against? I honestly don't want to play when I see a list like that.

>>96929104
>new players who like 3025 era but hate everything after it
they’re mimicking what they think real BT fans are like
same with hating Gothic

>>96929200
Bro, your pulse lasers?

>>96929104
Ive always hear about these retarded leftists that wans to get rid of the clans but I dont think ive ever seen anyone actually wanting that. Ive seen people argue that it was a mistake to add the clans in the first place but thats for reasons other than "the clans are facist"

>>96929202
I genuinely have seen new people introduced to BT and stop once they hit they play the first Clan match. It usually goes as follows
>Start with 3025 introtech and have fun
>Do War of 3039 get a taste of SLDF tech and enjoy it, find it spices things up
>Get to Clans and take a hard 180 nope, this is no fun at all
Clans act like a brick wall for anyone wanting to try more of the setting because they are shit gameplay wise and they expect everything else to be just as bad. If you twist their arm and get them to try FCCW with no Clans allowed they'll have a lot of fun though and same with Amaris Coup.

>>96929232
Maybe I don't want to exclusively run pulse boats.

>>96929310
Tried artillery?

>>96927937
Ravens, Horses, Nova Cat, Society, Darkcaste and Genecaste

Genecaste don’t really exist

>>96929310
So just run the pulse boats against +4 jumpers and run standard lasers against anything slower. Or stick to your guns and get nibbled to death by fast strikers you can never hit instead, see what I care.

>>96929641
That's what they want you to think..

>>96929745
The only thing CGL wants me to think about is racism and feminism.

>>96928619
It still is left wing. Just like socialism and communism. Left, retarded and gay.

Always has been and always will be no matter the attempts to state/convince/believe otherwise.

>>96929309
I take things that never happened for 100 Alex.

>>96929309
>FCCW with no Clans allowed
That's not FCCW then, that's your private magical realm.

>>96930139
NTA but I'm pretty sure he means, FCCW era tech available, but no one is allowed to play as clanners. Presumably no one is allowed to field a salvaged (or Diamond Shark Saturday Special) clan mech either.
IS mechs only.

>>96930274
YES I FUCKING GOT THAT YOU LITTLE SELF-IMPORTANT PRICK.
FCCW IS NOT AN INNER SPHERE EXCLUSIVE ERA SO MAKING YOUR OWN VERSION OF IT THAT IS, IS MAGICAL REALM BULLSHIT.

Love me chicken walkers
Hate man mechs
Simple as

>>96929309
I am going to chalk this up as a skill issue, because when I introduce people to clan tech they invariably go “holy shit this machine is incredible” and have a blast with it. Some end up gravitating back toward cheaper IS machines in the long run but everybody has fun because I give them the most heinous, BV-abusing mech I can find so they get the power high from just being *better* than everything else on the board. You sound like you’re doing the opposite, and it should not be hard to figure out that if you beat up on the inexperienced they will rarely want to come back.

>>96930309
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

What mech would Big Boss pilot? Civil war era only.

>>96930422
Which civil war? The entirety of battletech is a series of civil wars...

>>96930422
named characters are in assault mechs. so whatever the most common assault in the area is. Most likely Atlas. But Cyclops for the memes.

>>96930435
FCCW of course. post virtuous mission where Volgin nuked an orphanage and melissa blamed it on fedsuns. so he's working for the fedsuns.

>>96930422
Sagittaire or Fafnir for the full Metal Gear experience.

>>96930495
Neither of those have an Arrow IV launcher.

>>96930503
Yet.
Mechtechs! Get to it.

How good are light mechs against vehicles and infantry?

>>96928127
3055 after the Clan Invasion stopped. While Wolf's Dragoons started to pump out clan tech that was mostly for themselves and the houses that where facing the clans.

Salvage and shit probably started to pop around 3055 when things started to cool. Probably around the FCCW is when you started to see merc units fielding Omni Mechs.

>>96930309
NTA, but not every skirmish is going to involve clanners.
Wanting to solely play in one field, area, etc. of a war/era isn't magical realm bullshit.
The Battletech universe is huge so it's not even a big ask. You could have a whole campaign revolving around the Capellans trying to retake the St. Ives Compact without a clanner in sight.
Imagine trying to roll up to a Bolt Action game set in the Battle of the Bulge with your Imperial Japan Special Naval Landing Forces. What are you going to throw a fit because Japan was still a major player in WW2 so how dare they play in their "magical realm bullshit" for now allowing you to play with your most honorable Nips?
Come off it.

>>96930351
You are assuming quite a lot. I am actually leaving them to play and discover themselves as not always around to play games with them. Only one person came back that he liked Clan tech and he was a bit of sweatfag who was gravitating towards the pulse boats. The rest saw it as power creep though their style of play could be summed up as just charge into each other to get into melee range. They weren't willing to touch anything else past Clan invasion as they thought it was more of the same till I told about the various melee mechs by the FCCW era then suddenly they were interested again. They ain't too concerned about BV balance and try to run what they find fun so things like Charger punch ups are not off the table. One of them their favorite mech is the Hatchetman so take from that what you will.

>>96930644
>without a clanner in sight.
But not without some clantech involved, even whole clan mechs, because post invasion clan tech is the hottest thing and ever commanding officer of anything is getting at least some pulse lasers

>>96930645
>I am actually leaving them to play and discover themselves
So they have to find out every lesson from the past 40 years themselves?

>>96930586
Depends on a variety of factors, especially the mech’s armament.

>>96930351
I kind of like clan stuff for the same reason I like having elves in fantasy or tau in 40k. Its nice having an enemy you can just hate and fight with 0 remorse. Especially if theyve got "better" stuff so you feel like you need to be clever to beat them. Ill run clan stuff but only if I find it or salvage it in a campaign, feels more earned that way, and its fun to turn their bullshit against them.

Is it super deep, nah not really. But fuck em

>>96930645
>One of them their favorite mech is the Hatchetman so take from that what you will.

He’s a man of culture and refined tastes? Or a player that appreciates how cool a Hatcheman looks/is despite it’s shortcomings and wants to have FUN in a Battletech game?

>>96930676
Essentially yes. They're on the other side of the country from me so its not always practical to be there to tard wrangle through a new era when they want to try something new.

>>96930668
>even whole clan mechs
Yes, it exists, but not everyone is going to have it. It's certainly not going to be common, especially among regular joe-schmoes mech division 432nd vs. we're-in-serious-financial-debt-and-barely-scraping-by merc company.
>because post invasion clan tech is the hottest thing
Just because it's the hottest thing doesn't mean it's available.
>and ever commanding officer of anything is getting at least some pulse lasers
If I remember correctly, pulse lasers are lostech. Pretty sure it gets rediscovered (or invented if my memory is wrong on the lostech bit) before the clan invasions.
Either way there's inner sphere pulse lasers of course you'd see that in a 3060s game. That said, it too isn't too widely available.
Do you really think >>96929309 meant FCCW with basic medium lasers, AC/5s, and PPCs only?

>>96930309
>hang on guys, we can't fight yet, the clanners haven't landed. move over a bit, we're gonna try to get them to land in that clearing so we can fight properly. hey, stop pointing that tag at me, you can't shoot without the clans here anyway you idiot.

>>96930759
He really loves melee and yeah they are all about using what they find fun. Last I heard he was showing interest in trying the Buccaneer and a few other melee designs.

>>96930780
>It's certainly not going to be common
Read the books newfag

>>96930764
>They're on the other side of the country from me
So you're just some dude on discord that makes commentary on their games and has nothing to do with these people.

>>96930825
Or maybe I am someone that has friends that he meets up with on an irregular basis and able to share experiences with? Ever thought about that before jumping to conclusions faggot?

>>96930780
>Either way there's inner sphere pulse lasers of course you'd see that in a 3060s game. That said, it too isn't too widely available.

Thats just factually wrong.

>>96928919
Betrayal of Ideals didnt retcon that it was never the Wolverines that set it off.

>liked Clan Wolverine
Ah youre a secondary got it

>Ahh they made X-Pulse lasers.
>Small and Medium worth it.
>Look at Large.
>Its just bad.

Like seriously they kept the small and medium at a fair cost but then completely shat the bed with the Large X whats the fucking point? Its still no where near as good as a Clan LPulse so why give it the extra 4 heat for just the normal laser range.

>>96927937
>what's the best clan?
/Your Clan/, because you can give them everything you like!

>>96929200
>Do the people who exclusively run mechs that get +4 or better TMMs understand how tiresome it is to play against?
...Landmines, All the Landmines...

>>96930448
>named characters are in assault mechs.
...Archers are Assault Mechs now?

>>96930780
I think you might have got yourself slightly confused with eras hey there bud? Even in 3050's you'll struggle to find brand new IS designs that don't have pulse lasers.

I really enjoyed Betrayal of Ideals
Wish CGL would reprint the ComStar Battle Level II, I want to use it and the Command Level II to paint up some Not-Named and Widowmaker stars

>>96931034
In the 3050s there are still plenty of basic introtech units out there. Even some of the big military units still have them, and a lot of militias and mercenaries were scooping them up on the secondary market.
By the 3060s though, anyone who wants it can have it and plenty of it has been circulating through the used market.

>>96931074
>By the 3060s though, anyone who wants it can have it and plenty of it has been circulating through the used market
And by "it", I mean Helm tech.

>>96931074
>>96931081
Well yeah but the argument being is that the technology is widely available rather than it being a question about whether your purse can afford them.

>>96930813
Again, I'm talking about regular forces, not the top dogs here. Alas, I'll pull up Field Manual Updates.
Here's a screenshot of the Cappies heavy mechs you can roll off the random unit assignment table circa 3067 on pg. 206.
Vet me on this, but I don't see any clan mechs here.
Are these RATs totally encompassing? No. Exceptions exist of course, but I've always understood them as the standard of what you'd expect to face.
>>96930883
>>96931034
>>96931074
Damn, well I'm not too prideful to admit when I've misremembered something.
I thought IS pulses, although being loaded to the gills on some iconic FCCW mechs like the Saggitaire, were fairly high end stuff with a D rating in regards to availability.
I don't have time to pull it up right now, but what is it rated at by then?

>>96930495
>>96930503
>>96930422
A Patriot, naturally.

>>96931137
>I don't have time to pull it up right now, but what is it rated at by then?
Talking about this thing?
I don't think it makes too much sense, hell it says the at one point the Large Laser is rarer than a PPC! I don't also think it spreads things around as much in terms of eras especially when it doesn't really tally up with what mechs are equipped with by late 3050.
I also wouldn't worry about misremembering things. So many retcons that last I heard there were snowflakes still running around with fully functional SLDF equipment in the late succession wars.

>>96930870
NTA, but damn some anons have their panties in a real twist today.
>>96930799
Ah a fellow melee chad who doesn't care about WAAC faggotry or super optimizing autism. You have a good friend anon.

>>96931137
You do realize that the Capellans had access to clan Tech because of Operation Bulldog and Task Force Serpent.

Or did you suddenly forget that Sun-Tzu Liao was the 1st Star Lord for the 2nd Star League?

>>96931311
NTA but I think his entire point is that unless its a line unit that took part in Bulldog they ain't going to have Clan tech. He's not disputing it exists.

>>96931272
Yup that's the exact chart I'm referring to. It later got updated with a fourth rating in another book, I forget which. I see those ratings all the time as I often like making my own variants of mechs in Solaris Skunkwerks. (I've tried switching to MekLab, but I'm too used to SSW.)
I'm glad that my memory was right that IS Pulses are rated D, but I would agree that they often don't make sense when you consider the grand scheme of things, but that's Battletech (any many, many other shared fictional universes for that matter) for you.
Thanks for being chill anon.
>>96931311
Cranston, I love you man. No homo. Your rebrand.ly has been so, so useful to our mini-campaigns and scenario matches over the years. I have no beef with you here. I'm not trying to own you in some internet flame war.
That said >>96931361 on the money.
I'm not trying to say that shit doesn't exist.
I'm not saying Cappies don't have access to clantech or clan mechs.
I'm just trying to say that not *everyone* is going to have it.
Now if you'll excuse me I need to call my insurance company to dispute some medical bills.

>>96930870
> Ever thought about that before jumping to conclusions faggot?

No, he did not consider that BECAUSE he is in fact, and as you stated accurately, a faggot.

Most likely his retardation is outweighed by his faggotry, but not by much.

>>96931291
I've been called many a thing in my time and its water off the back, an autem gogler, dimber damber, but call me a discord user then suddenly we have business!

>>96931562
>These Inner Sphere barbarians are hitting each other with lumps of metal! How far they have fallen!

>>96929310
Then you deserve to lose. If you aren't doing whatever it takes to win, thats a player skill problem. Be a better player and optimize your list to beat the other guys list, or you deserve to lose. Fun has nothing to do with it. Nobody gets points or prizes for having fun. The only thing that matters is winning

>>96930644
>Imagine trying to roll up to a Bolt Action game set in the Battle of the Bulge with your Imperial Japan Special Naval Landing Forces.
I see no issues with this. They're a legal late war list. My opponent has no cause to complain.

>>96931772
To be honest I kind of also want to see this myself. Seems like a fun game.

>>96931461
>call me a discord user then suddenly we have business!
Just shut up and take your HRT, discord user.

>>96931587
What tranny is this supposed to be?

>>96930668
Not really,a lot of merc units and less important units won't have any

>>96931772
>>96931791
HA! Sure, I'd play it in a match just for fun, but I'd respect the GM if they banned it. Historical wargames are serious business, dontcha know?

>>96931819
That's Legolas you uncultured swine

Battletechs fluff is kind of filtering me because of how much it impacts the game, I'm not really a narative or competative player, I just build what look cool, but half the time it doesn't work in the fluff. Also the setting should have ended after the clan invasion, the 2nd star league stays around and everyone lives happily ever after because these later eras feel like forced ovas.

>>96932026
That's a tranny, and shitty animation to boot. Legolas is Orlando Bloom.

>>96932084
Then adjust your expectations. Learn the lore, build what looks cool, while still being true to the game. Don't be the faggot who shows up for a game set in 3000 with a Ryoken and a Mad Cat.

>>96932084
Be more specific what are you doing that doesnt work
>>96931940

>>96932084
>Battletechs fluff is kind of filtering me because of how much it impacts the game
Communism is when the rich don't have money to buy 4chan passes for their bots.

>>96932140
>>96932106
So, I'm only really into succsesion war, but my issue is, I would chack a date a mech was made and think cool i can use that, but later find out it was wiped out like the sentinel or spartan, only used by fancy commander types like the battle master or only has like ten mad like the night star

>>96932240
Pro-tip. Don't be retarded and look at machines by TRO instead. Like TRO-3025 for 3025 mechs. TRO-2750 for SLDF Comstar Mechs. TRO-3058 for more extinct SLDF mechs. Etc.

>>96932280
Okay, 90% of the mechs i like are in 3025, only missing the axeman

>>96932240
Fluffwise you'd be better off just going to a later era where they bring the advanced stuff back. "We decided to put it back into production" isn't any more of an asspull than "we decided to produce an introtech friendly version of something meant to be advanced"

>>96932484
It's actually less of an asspull because one isn't a filthy retcon and the other is.

>>96932240
Anon if youre only playing pick up games none of this shit matters just work it out with the other guy.

>>96932084
What I do is just get the mechs that look cool and use them for other /mecham/ systems like mekton or something.
>2nd star league stays around
This' why I was never a fan of suck wars.

>>96932084
Beauty of Tabletop is that you can do your own thing, like Hookers in Blackjacks!

>>96927937
to be honest i always found comstar and word of blake more interesting

but at least now we have like a dozen active clans and no blakists

>>96928285
based Ghost Bears

>>96932844
Which variants of either though?

I wish the Clans have used not CERPPC (same weapon as IS but better) but Deathwolf Beam or something (same spec but at least with different name)

>>96928285
>genetically crafted beings
>20 year old that looks mid-30s

I fucking hate """"""realism""""""

>>96928427
jade falcon will never be as based as Smoke Jaguar which is why they killed them off. Can't have a clan that actually realizes that innies don't deserve to be treated with honor and missile barraging entire cities works.

>>96928619
>>96929912

>why yes I graduated from an American highschool, how could you tell?

>>96930422
Raven. Anything other than Raven misses the point entirely.

>>96933697
>dodging the substance of the statement

enjoy your Aristophanes assemblywomen feminism where no chick can be potrayed as anything but ugly, gruel eater.

>>96933780
NTA but Kabrinski is in her early 30s at the start of the Invasion, so it makes sense that she looks like she's in her early 30s.

>>96933780
You said she's 20 year old, and she's not. Retard

>>96933688
jaguars are actually really fun to read about

falcons are based as fuck but i really wish they'd gone full jaguar and just SHREKED the fedcom subhumans they came across

>>96927937
These mofos, gone but not forgotten

>>96934472
god it was based reading about them cruising around the Kluster and wrecking shit

I don't usually factionfag but I cannot believe that after York was orbitally bombed by the Star Adders, the Blood Spirits sent their best frontline dudes to die for the Star Adders fighting the Steel Vipers

it makes zero sense

I like the Thresher, a lot.

>>96933780
You pull absolutely nothing irl and you’re likely very ugly and/or overweight

>>96934521
Nothing in BT makes much sense, but the Wars of Reaving made the absolute least sense. Probably the single worst piece of writing in BT, seriously. The Scientist Cabal was a great plotline and they fucked the whole thing up.

>>96935628
The broad strokes of a purity spiral coinciding with a breakdown in the systems that limit escalation was perfectly sensible, it was the details that were gibberish.

>>96935628
>he thinks that's the worst
>do not mention any age after the clan invasion

>>96933816
>>96933887

>purposely misreading the post

MID 30s. AND SHE LOOKS. LIKE SHE'S ALREADY HAG. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A REAL LIFE WOMAN LOOKS LIKE. SOCIAL AUTIST.

>>96935242
and you're a nigger.

>>96934521
>after York was orbitally bombed by the Star Adders, the Blood Spirits sent their best frontline dudes to die for the Star Adders fighting the Steel Vipers
Is this true?

>>96935822
Calling that character a hag while accusing other people of not knowing what women look like is really funny.

I strongly suspect you have had your brain sandblasted by animated pornography.

Got some new minis in today lads

>>96936819
You forgot your theme music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIwJRutl4Q

>>96936860
The filename is what it is for a reason.

>>96936919
Yes, but I also wished to easily play it when I saw it. Nice score.

>>96936819
>>96936946
Luv me Dino riders
Luv me Savage Wolf
Simple as.

>>96936819
>>96936946
I fucking hate minis that overspill their base so much. What if, Kerensky forbid, a bunch of Mechs want to be in melee?

>>96935822
A. How the fuck is it a misreading of

>genetically crafted beings
>20 year old that looks mid-30s

to assume that you're claiming that the character pictured is a 20 year old that you're saying looks mid-30s?

Also, you're clearly the one who doesn't know what real fucking women look like. How is she a hag? Her skin is smooth, she's starting to develop nasolabial folds but they aren't there yet, there's not even a trace of a wrinkle in the middle of her brows, her hair is full and dark, and she's wearing a lot of eye makeup.

I'd probably peg her at late 20s if I saw her IRL.

>>96935720
>he thinks that's the worst
>do not mention any age after the clan invasion

What is the worst in your opinion then?

>>96935690
>The broad strokes of a purity spiral coinciding with a breakdown in the systems that limit escalation was perfectly sensible, it was the details that were gibberish.

Yes, exactly.

Scientists finally revolting is great, puritanism + jealousy spiraling out of control is great. Assholes cynically using the business to grab power and/or attack their enemies randomly is great.

But somehow what we ended up getting was shit.

Seems reasonable. Total warfare was full of crap 90% of players will never use. Let the GMs have to bu an extra book with the non mech rules and I guess they can bring back an Aerotech box.

What's your choice?

>>96938484
While it makes perfect sense to only have mech rules in the core rule book them saying they have no idea about the timeline for other units is annoying considering the tanks and battle armor I have from their kickstarters.

>>96928781
Based and nix corvus pilled

>>96929309
>Clans filtering soon-to-be-grognards

Good. Let them remain at 3025 forever.
I'm gonna play with the cool kids

>>96938666
>at
*in

>>96933688
I like CSJ a lot
but they suffer from being too dumb
>>96934429
I, too, am a Malvina enjoyer

>>96935628
>hey did you like a clan? like any of them? fuck you they're probably dead or trapped in the narrative blackhole that ate the cluster
>hey like any of the society bottom text's new tech? fuck you it's localized to this one specific conflict and entirely wiped out afterwards so why did we even make it
>uh, scorpions turned into space imperial spain though, sorry to all 3 castille/umayyid/hansa fans but that's kinda cool ig
wasn't it backfill for the some autistic dark age lore too no less?

>>96938807
fucking this.

I know Clan Flaming Monkeh was niche, and had maybe 4 fans across the 7 continents, but killing off entire factions is epically dumb.
They even had to retcon the Jags being anihilated practically immediately, by having survivors absorbed by 2nd SL, then the Fidelis, before bringing them back proper.

I want justice for Blood Spirits. I want Vipers, and Mandrils back. I want Hellions to be a proper clan again, instead of the bloody abortion that is Clan Stone Lion.

I want protomechs back, because they're a cool concept that deserves more love than just Horses, and Ravens.

Could use with less stunning brave nigger wahman Falcon merchant dumpster fire.

>>96938484
>and with no ambiguity that the upcoming core rulebook that these playtests are building towards will only include full rules for mechs,
So it really is Total Warfare 2.0 then? Or at least Mech Warfare? If it is supposed to be that then I want to see them REALLY overhaul the rules and equipment stats, not just the small tweaks here and there.

>>96938844
I thought Hellions got absorbed by Scorps, not turned into Stone Lion?

>>96938844
>Named from the feline inhabiting the northern mountains of Tokasha, Clan Stone Lion was created from the remaining Homeworld members of Clan Hell's Horses after the Abjuration of their Inner Sphere portion in 3075.

>>96938856
More like BMM 2.0 rather than another Total War, Compendium or Master Rules like they said they wanted to do

>>96938666
She should really be wearing a thong. The inner thighs have lots of blood vessels near the surface and would be essential for cooling the body.

>>96938860
Yeah. Stone Lions are the homeworld portion of Hell's Horse rebranding themselves. Hellions were mostly wiped out, but some survivors were folded into the Scorpion touman.

I still don't understand the OnLy BaTtLeMeChS crowd. Like, you can just play without Mechs. Vehicle and infabtry rules can be super simple, the only real reason they're complicated now is repeated cycles of nerf and buff. Get rod of support vehicles, go back to BMRr rules for them, let them continue to occupy the same secondary role in lore, and chill the fuck out.

>but ASFs are objectively better than Mechs
Who cares? It's BattleTech, not AeroTech. Just don't play with them.

>but WarShips mean nothing matters
See above.

Why is it so important that people not like things?

>>96938577
Both are good, but AP straight up makes regular ammo useless. I would allow regular ammo double tap like UAC but with jam (and no explotion on snake eyes)

>>96938986
It's more no elementals
Because they make things really gay really fast

>>96938986
>Why is it so important that people not like things?
You tell me

>>96939003
The simpler way is to follow industry standards. AP ammo does less raw damage. The ammo penalty can be exchanged for this.

>>96939015
Isn't people's beef with that mostly that they feel it's taking resources from the main "universe"?

On the other hand, I'm sure you're at least partially right.

>>96938986
>without Mechs

With only Mechs*

What a fucking mistake

>>96935628
The Spanish Civil war was a dozen factions fighting for everything from regional identity to foreign volunteers trying to score a victory for their preferred flavor of "ism" governance. By the time it ended the Fascist and Communist factions had absorbed or destroyed everyone else. It turns out trying to declare yourself an Anarchist commune and asking everyone else to leave or getting the Catholic Church to tell everyone you are actually the good guys does not work that well when everyone else is willing to level a city block to prove their point.

The Wars of Reaving is similar and the only really logical outcome for the Clan way of life. They made retarded creative decisions along the way but ultimately it made sense. Their system just could not sustain itself once they got back in contact with the Inner Sphere. Half the Clans got told they were never, ever going to be setting foot on Terra and had no hope of ever becoming the ilClan. The ones that won the right to even try all but destroyed themselves and drifted further from the Clan ideals every year that passed. Punching bags like the Nova Cats realized it sucks fucking balls in the Keresnky Cluster and by leaving forced the assholes that had been farming them for a century to actually fight one another. The Smoke Jaguars getting scattered to the winds and showing that the Inner Sphere was no longer a free rape zone was just the final nail in the coffin.

When your entire civilization functions on 'might makes right' there does come a point where the mighty begin to consolidate their power. As I said above the only really illogical thing is that very weak Clans like the Blood Spirits survived as long as they did under that system.

>>96938986
Just play AS and you'll see more vehicles and infantry

>>96939078
Tbh the Spirits mostly survived because they had concentrated all their assets on a handful of worlds, including one of the only two in the Kluster that was fully self-sufficient, meaning they could throw a lot of forces against invaders so actually kicking them out would have been very costly, and the other Clans (mostly Burrocs and later the Adders) were farming them for honor. Once WoR stated and the gloves came off, the Adders just nuked them from the orbit.

>>96938986
>you can just play without Mechs
I have never seen this.

>>96939267
>>96939045

>>96938986
I feel like many people who're interested in an everything-game simulating full battles of mixed armies are more likely to just play any given scifi game that offers that rather than learn the complex mech duel simulator game and then the additional complex vehicle rules on top of it. You could probably have another game half as complex if you only care about mechs as one unit among many.

Even that they keep getting fiddled with is a sign they don't matter in the same way. You can't touch mechs without pissing some people off and it takes them a long time to do small revisions while constantly assuring people it wont affect their sheets. They can just do whatever with vehicles and infantry every so often because no one is spitting their dummy and quitting the game over it.

>>96939267
I did it once, took two lances of tanks and a jump infantry company against a lance of mechs. Was fun, i won with heavy losses.

>>96938484
Makes sense to me. New BMM first, then everything else. Otherwise you'll add a few years to the project doing all the unit types

>>96938654
>>96938666
I want to be bondsman to either a Ghost Bear or a Snow Raven mommy

>>96935628
>>96938807
Much like the Jihad, the Reavings were an extremely interesting concept ("What if the Clans fell both to a purity spiral and some people from other Castes activate their brains and realize the Warriors are terrible at managing anything"). A chance of having a faction with Clantech but completely different priorities (less skilled pilots working in unison, berserker units, Protomechs).
And then CGL proceeded to run the wonderful idea into the ground because they can't recognize gold when it smacks them in the face. "We need to kill the Home Clans NOW NOW NOW KILL THEM KILL THEM MORE ABOUT INNER SPHERE CLANS RESURRECT THE JAGUARS". The fact is that you need to be a writer's pet to get anything done (the Scorps, for example) and everyone else lives in the dust. "Wasted opportunities" is the CGL dogma.
If they were so hellbent on Abominations, instead of wasting everyone's time with a 40k knockoff they could have used the Society. Crazy genetics tech an' shit.

>>96939604
>the 2 best clans
You, sir, are a being of supremely good taste

>>96939689
with*
ugh

>>96939689
I always liked the Ravens in particular. Loved flight/space simulator games when I was a kid, loved the Raven motif and the aerojockey aspect.

Might sound cringy but when I was new to the game I even came up with my own OC donut steel merc unit like Wolf's Dragoons except they were a force of Snow Ravens exploring the Inner Sphere.

>>96932091
vile well poisoning jew/indian

>>96939706
We all do that to some degree.

>>96939078
>Their system just could not sustain itself once they got back in contact with the Inner Sphere.
And then sustained itself entirely in the Inner Sphere...

>>96939706
>except they were a force of Snow Ravens exploring the Inner Sphere

That would make sense during the Jihad, when the SR indeed surveyed the IS for a place to set up shop. The Wars of Reaving made it clear it was a wise decision.

>>96939267
Play a merc campaign, it's actually a lot of fun to "earn" a second hand bug.

Give it to me straight, was it all for nothing? Doesn't the periphery get steamrolled by the clanners in Mechwarrior 5?

>>96939780
Have you looked at a map?

>>96939780
ain't war hell?

>>96939899
"Somehow, the Aurigan Coalition has returned..."

>>96939780
>did we really ruin all of these worlds, kill all of these people, just to exist as a footnote?
Welcome to the Succ Wars, kiddo

>>96939926
Yes

>>96939780
>>96939943
Wonder how many more smol indie footnote Periphery kingdoms were there in SW era

>>96939947
i swear it's like the guys that write the new fluff don't really look into the game or do more than a surface level scan of existing fluff

>>96939780
They never existed in the first place as its non canon fan fiction.

>>96939943
Espinosa was right.

>>96939959
Eh, it's people bringing back old logos and names. This happens all the time in real history.

>>96939974
The general events of the Restoration-Concordat war were canonized in a source book.

>>96940019
Inb4 "not FASA so not canon"

>>96940015
my bad, anon. i don't actually have a problem with little factions like the aurigans popping up. it's just easy to tell whoever wrote that never really read the fluff for them or played the game.

Hehe, thinking about Kamea's fresh used cooling suit after a long campaign.
Imagine being the servant in charge of cleaning it... I bet her spats would be soaked!!!

>>96940019
When did they go to war?

>>96940019
Sorry, Directorate, not Concordat. Though the Concordat initially backed tge Directorate. In a way the Aurigan civil war was a proxy war between the Taurians and the Canopians.

>>96940037
You should try reading tbe sourcebook I bet that will answer your questions

>>96940054
Too late, >>96940045 already clarified they didn't.

>>96940045
True, though the Concordat didn't really seem too interested in it past trying to snag some SLDF tech.

I wonder if the Aurigans collapsed because the Canopians went full retard in the 3030s with the Anduriens.

>>96940069
The reason the Aurigans collapsed was CGL didn't want to backfill their involvement with anything pre-ilClan. Everything about their collapse is backwards engineered from there.

>>96940069
>I wonder if the Aurigans collapsed because the Canopians went full retard in the 3030s with the Anduriens.
probably. the canopian economy by the end of the third succ war was basic cottage industry. all the money the magestrix sank into the aurigan restoration probably could have been better spent on the MAF or preventing the near collapse of the state.

>>96940024
I choose to believe what I have been programmed to believe good sir!

>>96940069
Allegedly it's mostly because the Iberia crashing on Coromodir triggered an impact winter that devastated the planetary economy and meant that Coromodir was no longer in position to lead the coalition. Plus, with much of their military destroyed by infighting abd little to no ability to replace it, Coromodir essentially lost the ability to project power. This lead to the coalition no longer being a thing as the Aurigan planets went their separate ways.

>>96940069
Aurigans soured their relation with the concordat enough to ensure they will never consider cooperating again. That was good enough since all Canopus wanted was a buffer state, so no need to keep funding them.

>>96940128
I almost hate to ask, because I don't want to trigger a relativistic weapons debate, but would a dropship hitting a planet be able to wreck it (the planet) that badly?

>>96940137
I guess we are once again dealing with a magical exploding fusion reactor.

>>96940134
I kinda figured that preventing a war the Concordat wasn't ready for and revealing the true perpetrators of the gas attack would have balanced out any hard feelings. Especially since both states needed trading partners and were neighbors.
Now I do wonder if the Magestrix wanted that buffer to hold her flank when the MAF went off gallivanting like retards into the CapCon.

>>96940145
All the machine-gun ammo it was carrying detonated.

>>96927979
>There's no such thing as a good clan
There was, it was called Clan Wolverine

>>96940159
If you are going to be a Clan faggot the only Clans worth going with are Crusaders. The Wardens are all hypocritical pieces of shit.

>>96940159
>>96940197
for me, it was Blood Spirits

>>96940197
Clan Wolverine was the only Clan who didn't want to be retarded, explain how that doesn't make them good boys.

>>96940137
It depends on the velocity at impact, but yes, it's entirely possible that a 6000 ton dropship impacting a planet could throw enough dust into the air to cause an impact winter. It was nowhere near the Chicxulub impact, since people on the planet survived, but could be comparable to the Krakatoa eruption in terms of planetary/ecological effects.

>>96940015
It's the trendy thing to do in ilclan, a lot of the "resurrected" mercenary units are just some random whose grandfather was the company janitor or something deciding to hop on a brand people might recognize. Some ships from ex-Aurigan space using the old national colors instead of their lone planetary colors could end up cool, but they'll probably put an Arano in charge of it all anyway for name recognition. If it's a fifth cousin twice removed from the last Arano who the council has forced to take up the name, that fits with the setting generally. If it's a direct descendant somehow, then it's lame.

>>96940278
>not having it be the descendant of Kamea and her favored mercenary commander

>>96939773
Hmm. ATB with no mechs start. I can dig it.

>>96940278
>It's the trendy thing to do in ilclan, a lot of the "resurrected" mercenary units are just some random whose grandfather was the company janitor or something deciding to hop on a brand people might recognize.
for me, it's Sneed's Irregulars

>>96940296
Even the Smoke Jags are that. It's just CGL recognizing that killing off all the names people liked was dumb.

>>96940287
Maybe if they do something cool with it, like she sent her secret bastard away and then the state collapsed so now the shadowy council trying to reform the nation have to track the family down on Solaris or something.

>>96940323
Wrong. They're just retarded about clans and their pet projects. Nobody cared that the Jags were dead. In fact, it was one of the great symbols of the IS actually making headway with the 2nd SL and Pardoe had to promise he'd never bring them back when he made the Fidelis. Comstar is way more popular than any homeworld nobody, but they're keen on exterminating them and replacing them with the Sea Foxes.

Hey anons. I'm pretty new to the lore side of things on Battletech. I am aware of Sarna and the RATs. But I still have a quick question about the Inner Sphere and their mechs.
What are *the* iconic mechs of each IS faction? As in, if you had to make a lance for each faction and the only goal was to have each mech in it be iconic, not balanced for anything. If that means the lance is all assaults LOL STEINER SCOUT so be it.

What I have so far is only the Combine and I have the Jenner, the Panther, the Dragon (duh) and the Akuma. Anyone looking at that lance is gonna say "oh that's deffo a Kuritan lance". What's the equivalent for the rest?

>>96940548
Steiner
>Light: Commando
>Medium: Hatchetman
>Heavy: Crusader
>Assault: Zeus

Davion
>Light: Valkyrie
>Medium: Enforcer
>Heavy: JagerMech
>Assault: Victor

Kurita
>Light: Panther
>Medium: Phoenix Hawk K
>Heavy: Dragon
>Assault: Atlas

Laio
>Light: Raven
>Medium: Vindicator
>Heavy: Cataphract
>Assault: Highlander

Marik
>Light: Spider
>Medium: Hermes II
>Heavy: Quickdraw
>Assault: Awesome

>>96940595
>Giving Kurita an Atlas when they only get Quentin in the 3020's and it only makes 5 a year.
>Using retcon Highlanders in the Caps instead of a Cyclops
Disgusting

>>96940548
>I'm new
>but I'm going to reference old memes and list out mechs that answer my question
You're not new, you're a shitposter who's trying to dig up an old discussion for the 3000th time and you've very specifically worded this to attempt a blockage of the response that all mechs are for all factions.
The iconic lance of any faction is an assemblage of mechs that have been repaired and refitted so often that their stock configuration cannot be identified, as you know from the novels, every single set of named characters in the lore has a "unicorn" mech or weapons in their unit.
CGL force manuals are a retcon, there are no rules for faction exclusivity.

>>96940595
I would give the FWL the Orion instead of Quickdraw.

>>96940595
I have never seen a satisfactory answer for the Steiner heavy. I have variously seen the Crusader, Thunderbolt, and Warhammer suggested.

>>96940618
>there are no rules for faction exclusivity.
There are guides for faction flavor, you contrarian dingleberry.

>>96940618
Good god man as far as BT memes go the Steiner scout lance thing is the lowest of low hanging fruit, sorry I picked that up basically day one of reading about BT.
I have never read a BT novel in my life and don't intend to. I listed the mechs I did because they are the minis I have that I think of as Combine mechs. Please calm down and realize that not everyone is trying to pull one over on you.

>>96940662
Crudader or Axman or Flashman would all be acceptable answers, I think.

>>96940680
No, you're in here trying to start up this discussion almost once a week, like you're fucking paid to shill the idea of mech restrictions.

>>96940680
Ignore him, he's the resident grogtech griefer.

>>96940702
Please take your meds.

>>96940655
This. Quickdraw is one of the LAW brothers.

>>96940662
I'd say Thunderbolt. The FWL also uses it a lot, but they have much clearer options for that slot.

>>96940720
Seconded.

>>96940710
take your shit somewhere else.

Is any faction known for using the Thug a lot? That's my fave assault mech.

>>96940778
Comstar/Blakists in the old days as it's SLDF magic. FWL after they get the line back up and running in the 3050's. (if you rightfully ignore the retcon of them randomly making it in the Succession Wars with Warhammer PPC's when the FWL is yanking Marauder PPC's for their Warhammers)

>>96940137
Depending on where it hits, it wouldn't need to, just cause enough devastation to set off a mass die off. So if it hits a major city with a space port on top of setting off a cold snap that'll at minimum kill off a bunch of crops. It'd be a war crime, but you know how it is with Taurians and War Crimes.

>>96940680
>I have never read a BT novel in my life and don't intend to
If you aren't going to do your research you don't belong in the games fan base. Read, nigga, or leave.

>>96940595
>Steiner doesnt get a Griffin
>Not realizing Hatchetman is FedCom icon not just Steiner
>limiting yourself to one of each weight class when they said that doesnt matter and forcing yourself to have to use a subvariant for the Dracs just to give them a medium when they aren't that big on them anyways
>giving Dracs the Atlas
>lol retcon highlanders
>Quickdraws over Thuds and Orions

>>96940548
In the event youre actually new and not just a retard trying to get thread activity just read the archive this comes up every other thread

>>96940889
lol imagine if any other tabletop community did this.
>erm you have to read the tertiary 80's genre schlock fiction written for 14 year olds so that some arrested development grogs will let you play the fun bit
>I mean they can't stop you or anything but they WILL CRY
Even warhammer fans don't pretend that you need to read this crap.

>>96940662
Because the Steiner heavy is the Zeus

>>96940936
>not reading history in a historical wargame

>>96940984
History is gay and stupid and reading is for liberals. I shouldn't have to do homework to play a game.

>>96940968
Fat heavies are my favorite assaults.

>>96940662
Götterdämmerung

What are some non-battletech songs that would fit with Battletech?

I think a huge chunk of C&C songs fit pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpenm370XLY&list=RDxpenm370XLY&start_radio=1

>>96941490
Why would you say something so correct ?

>makes your mech blow up
Oopsie

>>96940213
Star Adders were also pretty ok. They were basically:
>Either we do it right proper, sticking it to the balls, or you can fuck off with your idiotic propositions.

I don’t give a shit about the lore I just want to see giant robots kill each other and I don’t care who’s paying as long as they’re paying this marauder lance ain’t cheap.

>>96941681
Then fuck off to a different game. The context of the game is just as important as the game itself.

>>96941760
No. I don’t think I will.

>>96940968
Your proposal is acceptable.

>>96941522
I hate you. Also the Scourge exists.

>>96941760
I would say the lore is more important.

>>96940820
>if you rightfully ignore the retcon of them randomly making it in the Succession Wars with Warhammer PPC's when the FWL is yanking Marauder PPC's for their Warhammers
I ignore all 3039 production retcons as a matter of course. Also no lostech is recovered until after 3050. Not because I'm mad, I just cant be bothered to rememorize all the shit they change.

>>96941807
I think the most important thing about a game is how fun the game is. To actually play. You know. Cause it's a game and all? You play them.

>>96941843
The lore IS what makes the game fun.

>>96940137
A lot of Periphery worlds are kinda shit in the first place. If that happened to the Earth it may not be that bad. If you live on a planet with a habitable area the size of Australia and all of the industries clustered in an area the size of a modern mega city it does not really take much to fuck your shit up.

>>96941864
Right, but, you DO play the game right? You're not just old man yelling at cloud'ing people on 4chan right? Even if you couldn't find games irl tabletop simulator and online in general means you can play Battletech whenever you really want to.

>>96941960
What an odd thing to say.

>>96941843
BattleTech's lore is its greatest strength and weakness.
It allows for one to get really invested in the narrative and enjoy the game even more, but the amount of limitations it imposes (lostech, eras, etc.) can be frustrating.
It's why I think BT would be better focused as an RPG than a competitive wargame.

>>96940778
The Dracs get them from Comstar in the Clan Invasion, so they're a common user from there out as well.

>>96942051
>I think BT would be better focused as an RPG than a competitive wargame.
It's best played as a role-playing wargame.

>>96942051
It isnt a competitive wargame.

>>96942051
I ran BT as a MegaTraveller game for about four years. It worked really well.

>>96942051
Remember that Communism is when rich people can't afford to pay for the passes their bots require.

>>96942094
>as a role-playing wargame.
If you're a house unit, sure. But a Merc company is definitely more suited for a RPG with the wargame for combat. imo
>>96942107
May I ask how it went?

Taking my first steps into the BattleTech novels. Currently reading Decision at Thunder Rift and slowly working through the issues of Shrapnel,. After I finish the trilogy what do you guys recommend I read next?

>>96939957
canonically, dozens continually rising and falling

>>96942051
No such thing as a competative wargame

>>96942241
Warrior Trilogy, Wolves on the Border, Heir to the Dragon, Far Country, Ideal War, Blood of Kerensky Trilogy, Way of the Clans Trilogy, Then Twilight of the Clans series.

>>96942179
Very well. It only ended because of military deployments broke up the table.

>>96941843
Where those gun trucks from?

Is the Exo the closest thing the Inner Sphere has to having Protomechs?

>>96942051
CBT is a cross between a board game and a RPG

>>96942051
>but the amount of limitations it imposes (lostech, eras, etc.) can be frustrating.
I have to partially agree with this. I largely pick mechs based on appearance and my OC donut steel Dark Age/IlClan merc group is 80% mechs whose appearance I find pleasing. And the reason why they're from that era is so im not restricted in what mechs they can have. The concept of salvage explaining why someone has a largely faction specific mech is fine but it is a little annoying when a mech is completely extinct or it was extinct but now its being built again but the modern versions are shit. Same kind of applies to when the introtech versions of the mech are decent for that era but when you want one with more advanced tech to avoid being raped by Clanners you're left scratching your head and wondering "what the fuck is this shit?" when looking at the weird or shit later era variants. Why can't you have a sensible basic later era upgrade? A mech being mid is fine. A mech being garbage is not. Unless of course it's supposed to be garbage to represent a boondoggle but that's something completely different.

And while I don't agree with them I know some people who are frustrated by how many mechs are locked away to later eras. It's why I'm fine with a bunch of the SLDF mechs being retconned into still being around during the Succession Wars.

>>96939015
>>96939037
introtech mechs only preference is just because they're simple rules for a fun game. There's already a ton of table lookups. More 'stuff' means more rules and table lookups.

I'm in the camp of hating lams/quadvees/protos/(and there's one more thing that I continuously forget). That said, if they made all of those into one thing and streamlined the rules, I'd like them.

Which is why I like the experiment with abominations. And I'm sure people would hate me for it. They're not perfect, but if they retconned out the above and dimension shitted them into cbt as abominations, I'd be be about it.

>>96927937
Nova Cat have some of the more interesting stories and I like their spiritual culture. It was a real bummer when I learned they got mostly squatted because I was interested in seeing where they were going.

I do sorta like the Jags just for being A+ shitheads and rolling with it. I was actually really disappointed that MW5: Clans didn't lean into that harder.

>>96942511
Those are Morningstar City Command vehicles

The MW5: Clans story is so fucking hilariously woke. All the white men that aren't the protag are evil bastards, black men and women are the most noble. I think it still could have worked if they had made the women not fucking puny. Aren't these specially selected genestock? Why are all the women still short? Shouldn't they be musclebabes? But also why are the Clans still ethnically distinct like this besides, shouldn't they basically be a soup of ethnicity with the best physical and mental attributes selected, or is skin tone and ethnicity just a design-a-baby cosmetic thing you can do?

>>96942957
>he plays MW for the story
What are you, retarded?

>>96942962
I play it because it's fucking fun and the cutscenes are fucking funny in how blatant the Sweet Baby tier influence is on it

>>96942970
the writing is ass, and the characters look weird. more news at 11.

>>96942957
for me, it's Lilith Hall

>>96942957
counterpoint: jayden looks like he wandered in from agartha itself and leads the subhumans to victory, and the two greatest retards of SJ are black and hispanic respectively

>>96942592
I was just playing a late clan invasion game and it was the most boring shit ever, I didn't even have to track heat, DHS just makes the game boring.

>>96943211
If you wish to manage heat I assure you there are many invasion era mechs to chose from. Many are quite well regarded.

>>96942957
Your troubles could be easily resolved if you could be made to understand that things existed before your stream of consciousness began and before somebody told you that Sweet Baby Inc was in the room with you.

>>96943433
>laughing at shameless and on the nose american brainrot in action
>troubles

And yet no one has answered my question. Shouldn't the Clans be sort of a sludge of blasians with blonde hair and chiseled chins standing 7 feet tall? Including the women? Or are they actually bred to be effeminize and small so they'll fit into cockpits better? I was sad Nasir got blasted in the prologue he looks like a prime bottom.

>>96943468
Here's the thing: the Clans don't breed for cosmetic factors. They'll flush you as an embryo if they find the markers for bad eyesight or other conditions, but looks don't matter in your creation.
And then there's the low genetic variety they started out with to consider: barring some limited exchange, each Clan had something like 20 bloodlines to start from, and a limited time frame to boot, roughly the same as the US of A had IRL and you don't see racemixing to the level you imagine even in the biggest melting pots.
In short, your intuition is off.

>>96942957
>>96943468
don't bloodnames have traits?

so shouldn't selective breeding prevent the weird complaint you're forcing?

>>96943468
The Trueborn Clanners were originally drawn from the SLDF stock. Each Clan maintains a separate breeding program which is effectively an incestuously recursive combination of the same forty or so people in each Clan (the 800 original warriors who landed on Stana Mechty divided by twenty Clans) with only rare infusions of new genetic material from other Clans or the freeborn population. This means that each Clan should have developed a population of Trueborn who all have a distinct ethnotype based on the traits found (but not necessarily expressed) in the original population.

Since the Clan system doesn't actually do a good job of selecting for skill in combat, and since the genetic material available is almost exclusively from the same forty ish people each, the Clan genetic program won't actually operate on either natural or artificial selection and will produce a static Mechwarrior phenotype rather than changing over time. Only when deliberately selecting genes to create a new phenotype rather than hewing to the "purity" of the originals will the Clan scientists make progress. Hence, the Elementals and Aerospace fighter pilots.

>>96943468
It would depend entirely on the diversity of the stock. Its my understanding that clan breeding programs are not intentionally amalgamating or trying to average the 'perfect mechwarrior'. If Clan scientists were randomly pairing then a phenotype would arise from the dominant genetics, but it has been presented more in the vein of horse husbandry where lines are being intentionally and specifically combined with the hopes of producing vigorous offspring with the specific traits of the parentage.

That would mean most likely that clanners would have lines of specific bloodnames that broadly retain their physical traits. This would depend specifically on their hybrid combinations, but if you see a redheaded Clan Wolf mechwarrior and want to start making bets, start with K for Kerensky.

>>96942957
>shouldn't they basically be a soup of ethnicity with the best physical and mental attributes selected
Yes, and no.
They would be the best of best genetically, but this would not result in ethnic soup.

>>96943756
>USA
>biggest melting pot
Until the 1900s mixed race marriage was illegal in the places were 95% of non-whites lived. And even then it's only become "common" in the last 30. Actually because I understand how real world stuff works, with the Clans being founded off a largely utilitarian, mixed founding idea of progressivism, the USA is probably the worst way to understand them. They should be much more like the Mongols.

>>96927929 (OP)

If they ever make a BattleTech anime Professor Tex needs to be the narrator.

https://youtu.be/C7OSeEMxDKE?si=xAJ9oxGQeQSv1ICN

Are there any canon examples of IS husbando and Elemental waifu?

Is battletech pure americana as opposed to 40k being pureUK?

>>96944004
That's basically the only scenario where IS taking Clanners as bondsmen is depicted.

>>96944008
>steal from anime
>americana
Kek. Battletech is about as japanese as a thing can get without needing a localization release.

>>96944003
>professor tex
who?

>>96944018
Some of the mech designs but the lore and all the other lore seem more american GI Joe astethic? Like many mechs seem like Abrams or Apache gunships on legs

>>96944043
Because that's something anime doesn't do?
The Japanese have made more German themed anime in the past 2 decades than Germany has ever made cartoons of it's own for all time. And they don't just do this with Germany, though IMO that is their favourite extranational target.

>>96944043
If you read the lore as is, battlemechs behave more like mobile suits than helicopters on legs. The whole 'aesthetic' is knights/samurai in humanoid robots. They have excellent agility but that's never been illustrated anywhere except the lore.

>>96944008
In the beginning it felt more like Heavy Metal Magazine to 40k's 2000AD but since then the fans demanded that stuff be decanonized so now it's more like COD with mechs.

are there any bloodnames known for red hair or did the clans breed that trait out?

>>96944011
can you give an example like the other guy asked?

>>96944070
>bloodnames known for cosmetic traits
No.

I give you

>BattleTech Gothic: Periphery Psionics

>>96944057
Huh? I mean the mech designs. Like the Mad Cat doesnt seem anime style at all, it seems very "Western"

>>96944043
>Like many mechs seem like Abrams or Apache gunships on legs
That comes for free with your post-gundam military mech scene.

>>96944064
Explain more

>>96944097
Arent gundam design just like a person? Like a giant robot human dance in air with sword?

>>96944093
That's an exception to the rule, the Timber Wolf specifically was based on the B52 bomber, and the catapult too by extension.
Those designs are a minority.

>>96944111
I think it's more accurate to take heavy gear and sprinkle patlabor and macross on top.

>>96944114
Intetesting , did japan artists do the other designs? I like the ones like mad cat better than the "flying person with sword" type of other. Sorry english is not my 1 langage lol

>>96944077
?
Hazens are known for their blonde hair, anon, for example

>>96944141
>one member of the bloodname has a feature
Clanners literally don't care.

>>96944091
WTF?
I love Gothic now!

>>96944167
>Sarna
lol

>>96944180
>cites no sources
The information is freely available, anon. Just don't pull shit out your ass that's refutable by a google search.

>>96944070
bloodnames aren't know for particular physical characteristics

>"I have no intention of doing that, Khan Pryde." He watched her, knowing that their bloodlines had often been rivals within Clan Jade Falcon. He despised the Prydes for their height and slenderness, just as she despised him for his smaller, stockier build. While their Bloodname Houses bred Prydes and Hazens for divergent physical characteristics, it was with the same intention of breeding aggressive and resourceful offspring.

oh nevermind i guess they are

>>96942957
>black men and women are the most noble
The only black people I remember in that game were Dietr Osis, Leo Showers and Sarah Weaver, and they were depicted as asshole warmongers

>>96944198
He was right, you know.

>>96944098
Basically you had stuff like
>Extreme genetic engineering as seen on frobisher and dandavella
>Somewhat intelligent (caveman tier) humanoid aliens
>Orbital defense warhammers
>LAMs
>Phantom Mech ability
And others that made it lean more to the fi part of scifi but because players felt BT should mainly be realistic and "not anime" some of these were taken away and it evolved into what it is today.
Highly recommend the old House + Periphery + Star League sourcebooks .

>>96944203
he is smoke jaguar, he is always right

>>96944210
His biggest failing was looking like jonah hill.

>>96944111
Lets not forget that battletech was and is still heavily dudes in suits themed. It's not like they're rare. Any given lance will typically have at least one guy that's piloting a bigger version of himself.

Also that all the chicken walkers in battletech are from the direct lineage of the glaug. It's not even subtle, they reuse its arms and legs a lot.

>>96944214
that's a compliment to jonah lol

>>96944167
Buddy in ten years time sarna will have every character in all battletech listed as having brown skin, you can't get objective facts from a place that made their logo into a fucking rainbow.

>>96944214
>>96944203
I was actually really happy when he came back to do the briefings again. That VA can really chew the scenery.

>>96944230
In the absence of the contrary, the sole source is the canon. Whether you like it or not. Just refuting the assertion that haven's are 'known' as blondes. When it's just one, maybe two, named characters.

>>96944247
>In the absence of the contrary, the sole source is the canon.
Nothing is canon except what FASA released. Third parties can not produce canon, period.

>>96944247
seems like it's one who isn't

>>96944077
>>96944192
So which of these is true?

>>96944111
*space

Honestly it's very important for comparison to remember that combat in gravity is actually not a specialty for Mobile Suits in Gundam; they are at their most vulnerable on the ground and (in the more grounded timelines/shows) are broadly only as mobile as battlemechs.

The mobile suit in universe was developed in part based on people because of the advantages it provides in zero-gravity; where the pilot's proprioception and balance is best served by an intuitive 1:1 bodyplan with fine manipulators and a 6-dof thruster layout, making them kinda like humongous, militarized versions of NASA's EVA-suits.

This is in contrast to other mech properties like Armored Core, where suits are pulling similar accelerations and movement in planetary gravity (for brief periods at least, except with specialized long-distance booster equipment).

>>96944275
80s Dune is amazing, if you called it wild space wars everyone would love it. It's not Dune but it's a kick ass wacky thing.

>>96944275
Both, technically. The bloodline has traits associated with it, but they are not there all the time. This is why you make a whole fucking sibling company (sibko) of various combos and see what shakes out best.

Also, Malvina and Alek were known as oddballs in their sibko if any of these goobers ever bothered to read Flight of the Falcon.

>>96944266
Post FASA is not canon? What about the japan designs they stealed?

>>96944433
About the same as much canon as The Acolyte is for Star Wars. Sure Catalyst legally owns the IP but they aren't treating it with any respect and we the fans have the full right to reject it.

>>96944560
>Catalyst legally owns the IP
Incorrect, they are licensing it from Topps, which is the owner.
CGL involvement in battletech, is temporary.

>>96944577
Not the point. Topps, Catalyst, Microsoft, or fucking Duracell could own the IPS. The point is that it's being mismanaged. Those who are holding it are disrespectful of the fans that kept BT breathing for 40 years with the slop they are pushing.

>>96944599
t. man who found out about Battletech in 2019.

>>96944659
Yeah... I remember what Battletech was like before the Clans. My first games were played with the cardboard flats on paper hex maps. But hey, think what you want.

Whats the true American tabletop wargame settimg?

>>96944713
Monopoly

>>96944713
US Civil War

>>96944733
No, 'tis Mcdonalds Monopoly

Just read reclamation and rise. So apparently abominations are battletech orcs and use human females as gestators for freaks/fraylings. The surviving freaks after an house2house conflict kinda homogenize and jurrasic park it up on the blown up worlds and attempts to repatriate the worlds by the big houses results in captured pilots until they nuke them from orbit.

Dont use hitler-werewolves as shock troops or you get flying-hitler-werewolf-guerillas, is the lesson.

>>96944939
>Dont use hitler-werewolves as shock troops or you get flying-hitler-werewolf-guerillas, is the lesson.

It seems so obvious when you put it like that.

>>96944939
>guerillas
As long as they don't breed with Gorillas, that's okay.

I want my fucking ABOM creation rules and minis. I then want CGL to shoe horn genetic horrors beyond imagining into the real game.

This picture is a stupid slutty marauder. Tell her what you think about her

>>96945039
>Size of my old 80's 1:72 Araii Glaug
>Came out in March this year
>$30 on amiami
Welp, I'm ordering three.

>>96945039
Zentraedi Officer Pod

>>96945017
>creation rules
From what I've gleaned, its basically just BA rules but with squad size restrictions and a need to have a designated Handler otherwise they go stupid and can barely aim.

>>96945039
>Title: Marauder (Glaug)
>Name: ___
>Comment: It is a Heavy 'Mech that appears in the BattleTech series. It also appears in Macross.
O... okay

>>96945039
G L A U G
L
A
U
G

>Stalker STK-4P
>Catapult CLPT-K2K
>Starslayer STY-3C
>Cicada CDA-3F
passable or no?

Started with a Stalker and Cicada. Heard mention a K2 was a good fire support, and picked the Starslayer to avoid overusing the big three. Selected variants that would fit in post-helm to pre-jihad settings.

>>96945185
>bondswoman
That reminds me, Mia killing herself despite of being defeated by Jayden to avoid becoming a bondswoman legal or dezgra?

>>96945248
I think it depends on the circumstance. I distinctly remember reading a clanner having some existential crisis. Its kinda like adhering to a rule your enemy doesn't acknowledge as a rule. Like when atheists try to use the Bible to reddit argue with a Christian. The sanctity of the tradition is being leveraged in bad faith so do they have to respect the attempt?

Not to mention they KNOW its a trick after dealing with inner sphere several times already.

>>96945248
It's called Bondsref and totally okay.

>LAMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yv2fjavbTcA

>>96945284
They fact they employ captured fighters as mechwarriors against their former allies is crazy. The most id trust them with is scrubbing and cleaning. Then when bondsmen actually identity with their captors is even crazier if that guys had more than one battle. I mean from an IS perspective.

>>96945248
Bondsref without admission from your Bondholder? Absolutely blitzking dezgra and maybe even chalcas

>>96945295
>The most id trust them with is scrubbing and cleaning.
And that's kind of what happens at first, bondsmen do laborer/technician shit for their bondholder, bondsman aren't put back in the cockpit for the new clan the next day. It's only after time serving the bondholder and demonstrating that they're trustworthy that the holder chooses to cut the cord and they get adopted as a warrior.

>>96945295
tbf it's probably loosely based on an american native concept. They'd abduct people from other tribes, torture them, usually kill them but sometimes they'd go through some rituals and rites of passage and you were one of them now, and seemingly it was mostly respected. You just got wololo'd.

Dunno if they'd be sending them out to war either and there's definitely a few layers of romanticism that clouds it but they did do it.

>>96945358
It was usually more like you were slaves and had a job, then your kids would be part of the tribe. Like, my family got scalped and they took the teenagers and young kids, then put them to work as firekeepers and squaw-type shit.

Or how like Geronimo was half-white because his mom was captured and enslaved.

>>96944215
If anything, it makes more sense for Battlemechs to be humanoid than Mobile Suits. Battlemechs have artificial muscles controlled by a helmet that reads the brain's impulses, while most Mobile Suits use advanced computer systems to control their movements while the pilots direct them with normal fighter jet style controls (though there are exceptions).

Damn it it's confusing; Was it Natasha Kerensky or Garth Radick that was the Khan of Clan Wolf after Ulric became the ilKhan?

>>96945295
Think of it like an NFL trade, because being a warrior is more important than what clan you're a warrior of, but you're always trying to take your team to the Super Bowl except you're killing people.

Combat Manual - Mercenaries defines a demi-company as six units. If applied to mechs, I assume "unit" means one mech like how the Clans deem one mech as a Point and how ComStar deems one mech as a Level I in their ComGuards?

>>96945152
Holy shit, Japanese mention of Battletech

>>96944008
>Is battletech pure americana as opposed to 40k being pureUK?
Yes, that is exactly correct

2nd painting attempt; Passable as SLDF green or more of CJF green?

>>96945855
More like a Davion Green

>>96944004
Yeah-ish, the CO of Jamison's Juggernauts and his ex-Steel Wolves infantry boss are on a good track.

>>96945855
I was going to say it looks more of a hunter green than an olive drab, but when I go looking on camospec for SLDF they actually do seem to lean a little on the bright side.

If you're gonna do a bunch more work on it I'd shade it down rather than highlight it up, but if you're going to leave it like that it's pretty close as is.

Good clean coverage. It looks like you used a speedpaint/contrast? --but if you did you did an excellent job of keeping it from doing any weird pooling. Keep up the good work.

>>96944070
I know of one Elemental with red hair, Magnus Icaza of the Jade Falcons. And I *believe* Evantha Fetladral of the Wolves, but both can be outliers.

>>96944192
Don't forget Phelan Kell identifying a CW Watch agent by literally calling out his features as belonging to the Carns bloodline. Operation Audacity.

>>96945935
Looking at the two tones on the base, looks like a regular basecoat+wash to me.

>>96945943
Maybe you're right. Solid work either way.

How do mercs deal with dispossession syndrome? I heard it fucks up mechwarrior knights royally when they lose their 'mechs and have to wait in line for a new one. Some mercs on the other hand don't even have personal 'mechs at all. I'm sure its nice getting paid to be an outfit's benchwarmer. But wouldn't the dysphoria get to you after a while?

>>96944577
Its not. I guess you didn't get the memo that Catalyst acquired IWM and since IWM had the licensing rights in perpetuity for Battletech Minis that now falls under Catalyst.

They aren't going anywhere.

>>96943756
>>96943468
It's not his intuition that is off - it's that he's thinking of the wrong type of fictional future. BT's pretty clear about phenotype not being taken into consideration politically, so there is no need to create a new race to go along with your new polity.

Furthermore, the Clans literally have a problem with a limited stock, but they are also trying to maximize the chances of lucky genetic outcomes in every generation of warriors, so why would they not make sure that every batch is recombined with all the distinct racial markers they have access to? Politically, racial phenotypes are neutral, so it's an easy way to show that you're trying to do your job.

>>96943790
Nah, what they have is distinct faces. It's like your mum/dad had a kid with every race available in your local area rather than a slave owner raping their own slave-born children and children's children across multiple generations.

>>96945297
Just for the newbies' sake, I'll mention this is completely incorrect. Bondsref is specifically killing yourself in defiance of their bondsman declaration. Hell, it's in the name -- BONDS REFusal.
Essentially, it's sort of a race to kill yourself before that other asshole can slap a cord on your wrist.

Any chance that we'll get machinegun pods or small laser pods for fighters?

Tried adding a few more colors. Would you guys call this combat ready?
>should have used black bot grey

>>96945596
Natasha. SaKhans often become kaKhan but it isn't automatic.

>>96945940
Carol Leroux also, and IIRC Natasha K actuality is a natural redhead.

>>96946329
What do you mean? Fighters can and do mount them.

>>96946356
extremely. if you re-black up the base and put a white block on the 'front' hex you'll be 120%. my painting sucks by comparison.

>>96946364
I thought external pods could only mount bombs and rockets

>>96946375
I forget which general it is, but there's a handful of super easy ways to take better photos of mini's. Including just plopping them on a sheet of copy paper inside the refrigerator. Takes 2 seconds and has a much better soft lightning for your models.

>>96946386
I didnt realize you meant external pods. Why would you want that?

>>96946393
/wip/ has a guide on the mega
Sadly we can't upload .pdfs anymore
The refrigerator thing is very legit and works well

>>96946513
>The refrigerator thing is very legit and works well
And includes banana for scale.

>>96946510
Just to give lighter fighters (usually conventional fighters) an extra option for strafing infantry.

>>96945531
Myomer and the neurohelm are such cool concepts but it feels like a lot of the fanbase either don't even know about them or actively want it squashed out of having any real presence.

Having regular sticks and pedals but then also a very lightly fantasy neural link that lets you "nudge" your mech and it gets better with a stronger personal connection is great, and it's wasted on a community that partly only wants stiff walking tanks with no frills and writers that want to take potshots at the idea and reduce it to a balancing aid. God forbid you bring up the times they've experimented with pure mind machine interfaces.

The only rules difference for quads is that they can move sideways at cost of 2 MP, can kick backwards if they have all four legs, and lose front leg if right/left torso goes, right?

Why is the Introductory era set in 3025? I mean, not during the 3rd Succ War but after the SW has ended

>>96946635
3025 is a transitiin period between 3rd and 4th Succession Wars. The 3rd War had petered out but conflict was still constant, it was just very low intensity and this was the perfect environment for mercs. Small unit mercs doing constant low intensity unimportant fighting is the perfect introduction point. The setting is at a low stakes lull, and then things accelerate in both scale and technology available.

>>96945062
Where the fuck is the link? I can't find a glaug anywhere on amiami

>>96946625
Can still walk off on three legs
Deal with rough terrain rolls better
can sit down and get up for free

What would be BT mech company's equivalent of M1165A1 HMMWVs, M113A3 APC, FMTV cargo truck attached to HQ? In both roll and type

>>96946833
For APCs and trucks, I'd assume just APCs and trucks, since mechs don't carry cargo. The tanks would be equivalent of heavy or high-end medium mechs, and the role humvees could either be taken by vehicles or light mechs. BT organization doesn't really count support elements like cargo trucks and troop transport as part of the company organization, even though they presumably should be there. Regiments usually have the non-mech elements organized separately, even if they operate alongside the mech component.

>>96946833
>M1165A1 HMMWVs
Wheeled APC
>M113A3 APC
Tracked APC
>FMTV cargo truck
Flatbed Truck/Bulldog/Pitbull

>>96946833
>What would be BT mech company's equivalent of M1165A1 HMMWVs, M113A3 APC, FMTV cargo truck attached to HQ? In both roll and type

The dropship they rode in on.
At the company scale and below expeditionary units are tethered to their dropship for all support elements.

>>96946911
Except field kitchens, Those are still needed.

>>96946971
You need to come home for chow unless you want to eat field rations.

new thread
>>96946987
>>96946987

>>96939780
>Give it to me straight, was it all for nothing? Doesn't the periphery get steamrolled by the clanners in Mechwarrior 5?
I can't even....

You realise that periphery means "outer limits", right? That the periphery of the inner sphere is the edges of the inner sphere in all directions, right?

Coromodir is right at the bottom center of the map. The zones at the top of the map are the clan invasion corridors. The area you were dicking around in for the HBS campaign is as far from the invasion corridor as you can get.

>>96946901
>even though they presumably should be there.
Sending the guy in the stinger to go buy beers, energy drinks and dip seems a little impractical and conspicuous.

>>96946663
>>96946635

Also, everyone was fighting everyone but at very small scale so there's justification for pretty much any conflict you might want to put onto the tabletop without it fucking the lore too hard.

If the intro was peak civil war era then it would either change the game drastically or force games that are very poor representations of the lore.

>>96947013
Who the fuck made that map and why have they ignored the NCR?

>>96945990
Owning the rights to produce single miniatures doesn't change that they are only licensees for the battletech IP.
They do not own any rights to the story or the game, and given that the game is miniatures agnostic, owning the right to produce single minis is a pretty thin connection.
With the understanding of how they do funding strictly through kickstarter, it is easy to see that once their time with the main license is up they will fuck themselves out of relevance and likely end up selling the miniature rights to topps.