Thread 96951134

So, the other week I'm at a pub that has a drop-in D&D 5e night. I'm hanging out in the back lounge area where they would have been playing the previous day and see something on the floor.

I crouch down to examine it. Cardstock, rounded edges. It turn it over; an X, marked in sharpie.

>"Pronoun People. At least five, perhaps 12 hours ago. Likely they were tieflings."

>>96951134 (OP)
X-cards are generally a red flag that the players you’re with will be problematic in the sense that something will eventually offend them and it is better to find different players instead.

>I'm at a pub
Yep this never happened.

You didnt have to repost this, noone laughed at it in the original thread either because its just not that clever or funny

I've only seen an X card used once.

A longtime friend of mine is built like a brick. He's stupidly strong, and spent most of his life training with his dad, all set to become a saturation diver like him. These were the two toughest men I knew, the kind you thought could drink nails and shit out rebar. His father loved to do fairly extreme things, like kayaking through rapids, going deep into rainforests, just living life hard in-between dives, often taking his son with him.

Seven years ago, he went climbing by himself somewhere in Colorado. Not a difficult climb, just supposed to be a day trip, but he didn't bring the right gear, and bad weather and a bad fall and bad timing and bad luck all hit at once. He got rescued two days later, but he lost fingers and toes, both ears and his nose, and most of his left arm. It was bad, but we all thought he would just... laugh it off, or something. Strongest guy in the world, he'd just shrug it off and joke about us worrying about him at all.

Okay, maybe he wouldn't just laugh it off, but we thought he'd be okay in time.

He wasn't.

He just became... hollow. Then thinner. I rarely saw him or my friend for four years after that, and both of them looked worse every time I saw them and my friend never wanted to talk about any of it. It took years, but after pushing him to talk about it he eventually just admitted that he felt like his father had died and now there's someone else in his body, someone just filled with bitterness and hate and who filled everyone else with it too. My friend had quit his job and training and had just quietly fallen into a severe depression, and he couldn't even blame his dad for all of it and didn't want to, but he couldn't stop thinking about how much he loved and missed who his father had been and actually hated who he had become.

>>96951482
A year after that, and my friend is doing better. He's decided to go back to school for some more engineering courses. He gets invited to a D&D game by some classmates, and I tag along with him.

The DM is younger than us, some kid who definitely had read and watched far more than he had lived, but was nice enough, and so is the rest of the group. We're playing, and everything's fine, and then our PCs found a long staircase that lead outside the dungeon and were now climbing a mountain.

The DM didn't know anything about my friend's dad. None of the rest of the group did. I look over at my friend, thinking I might be overthinking things, and he seems fine. Stone-faced a bit, but just letting the PCs go on their way. But, the DM then announced there was a storm, and it was coming in hard and cold.

The DM's asking for rolls, ready to deliver out descriptions, and my friend just rapidly scrawls a note, passes it to the DM, and doesn't say a word. It wasn't a literal X-card, but the DM read whatever it said, looked at my friend and noticed his obvious distress, and just let the storm pass.

Mountain weather is funny like that, changes in an instant.

The climbing section was rushed through, and the other players, while realizing that something had happened, didn't press my friend for answers. The moment passed, and the adventure continued, and we all had a good time.

Later, I'm driving my friend back, talking about the game, and he asks if it was weird, both of us knowing what he was referring to. I don't lie and said it was a little weird. I feel like I should have lied though, because he just got silent for a long while.

>>96951134 (OP)
The "pronoun people" were actually having fun.

>>96951644
You're talking to what's likely some sort of caveman, considering he doesn't use pronouns.

>>96951134 (OP)
>>"Pronoun People. At least five, perhaps 12 hours ago. Likely they were tieflings."
kek well meme'd
>>96951191
Correct.

>>96951644
>yes, chuddie, the mentally ill flesh golems were having fun
Lmao sure buddy

>>96952168
man you are desperate for attention.

>>96952175
your neo-vagina STINKS

>>96951134 (OP)
I was in that game, it wasn't an X card but a clue prop for a puzzle, we has like three other cards to arrange in order, but good try OP.

>>96952175
Not as desperate as the people inventing all of these ridiculous 'safety tools' to display their moral rectitude.

>>96951134 (OP)
Reminder that an X card is JUST as abusable by you as it is them.
If you truly insist on playing with it present, you can use it and make them recoil like vampires before the cross.

>>96951134 (OP)
Dude you were that 30 something guy? Dude you are so old. Where's your wife and your kids? Go start a family dude

>>96951134 (OP)
>>96951191
Except a drop-in game is exactly what X cards are for, when you're not with your regular group and haven't talked about things you're uncomfortable with, because 1, they're strangers, not your friends, and 2, time is of the essence, it's not going to be a 6-7 hour game session.

>>96951644
Being the kind of person who rightfully shits on the pronoun crowd, does not mean you don't have fun.

>>96952175
Personalized pronouns are never anything but a cry for attention. Same thing goes for danger hair and extensive tattoos and piercings.

>>96951134 (OP)
Of all the things that never happened, this is one of them.

OP, please explain your post. I don't get it. Is it a joke, am I supposed to laugh? Or should I get mad? Help me out here.

>>96953830
They're a method of treating combination body dysmorphia and obsessive disorders that happens to work better than standard therapies in the situation where these conditions are combined.
It's important to realize when crazy people need their crazy to continue living. It's like the religious.

>>96951191
I think they have a place at con games. I think there are less autistic and better solutions to what X-cards are trying to accomplish for games with your friends.

>>96951482
>>96951494
This sounds like if you asked chatgpt to write you the least embarrassing scenario in which you could x-card a game.

>>96953811
>drop in games
Like conventions right? A gigantic sign with written "PG 13 Content here" solves any potential pitfall in that context without the need of recycled bdsm tools for partaking in a fucking game of pretend. You amerilards are genuinely fucked in the head in this regard.

>>96954716
To clarify, you can get people with no meme autism and other issues in cons and having tools like this makes the game manageable. Bye is not something you use all the time, just saying it's there once (if you see it necessary) is more than enough and is rare someone needs to use it. Think of it as fire detectors for autism, you probably wont get into a fire but its useful in the rare case it happens.

>>96954716
Yeah, the thing is that a lot of gamers are retarded. There are people who will see that "PG 13" sign and think "Oh, nice, I'll go to the adult table and play a rapist."

>>96954292
It's a death cult that nurtures weakness.

>>96954292
You won't ever meet a religious person who needs everyone around them to acknowledge and agree with their own beliefs otherwise they'll throw a tantrum. You'd have to grow up deep inside a cult to end up with a mindset like that.

>>96954716
The thing every discussion about the X card forgets is that having a tool doesn't mean you're forced to use it. Is a very specific thing for a very specific situation that can only happen when running multiple game with a bunch of strangers live (so you can't just ban them forever like in on-line games). This doesn't mean say situation will arise necessarily, just that the more games you run. the chance of that specific situation appearing is higher.
And of course, you don't need it at all if you run games with your friends.

>>96955808
The X-card is a solution looking for a problem. The mere act of someone bringing the concept to the table or demanding that it be used is an act of aggression, it's an attempt to bring in additional rules on the dynamics of the game (and the dynamics of social interaction), and it invites abuse. It usually winds up used by the sort of person who loves parliamentary rules-of-order and talking-feather bullshit.

If its so rarely used, I'd prefer to just deal with situations where it would be useful on an ad-hoc basis. While this does have the potential for bad outcomes, I think the bad outcomes from the card are more prevalent and harder to deal with, because the abuser of the talking feather can hide behind bureaucratic technicality.

Rules-of-order/committee-meeting/talking-feather type stuff invites the potential for abuse, especially when one person is strangely fixated on implementing it. Before you know it, there's an agenda sheet, and you're not allowed to talk about anything that isn't on the agenda, and the person in charge of adding things to the agenda is...the same person who pushed for there being an agenda in the first place. What's on the agenda? Adding even more rules, of course.

The X-card combines these apparatchik shenanigans with emotional blackmail over hypothetical vulnerable people. Anyone who disagrees is simultaneously a manbaby for taking issue with such a minor, inconsequential thing, and a big ole meanie for opposing such a vital measure to protect the vulnerable.

Is it important or not? Pick one and stick with it.

The goal isn't to protect the vulnerable. The goal is to invent additional rules that can later be exploited.

>>96955808
>Is it important or not? Pick one and stick with it.

Ah, like how trans people or pronouns are simultaneously the most important cause ever AND a weird fringe thing that only conservatives are obsessed with.

>All the tourists getting genuinely mad at this, not recognizing it's a joke based off an iconic scene
I grieve for what /tg/ has become.

>>96957270
Most of the people here who aren't bots are probably way too young to know what that scene was, I'd wager.
I was a sheltered kid and never saw it, but at the very least I put together the context clues of the image and the fact that threads like this, using famous quotes/scenes in the context of tabletop games that is, used to be more prominent.
People here are just really fucking dumb now; not that we were ever geniuses, of course, but my point stands.

>>96955319
How about Islam?

>>96955319
Religious people are constantly throwing over-tranny levels of tantrum when you point out they are lying to you and ask them to stop lying.
once incident of religious tantrum has greater severity and body count than every single tranny tantrum combined, and the religious KEEP having these tantrums.

>>96954907
Yes, just like the religious.

>>96958817
Pure cope

>>96957270
>>96957495
No, people are just tired of lame proxy-/pol/ spam, especially when it's a repeat.

x-card feels like the "litter box in a classroom" story. people get so bent out of shape about it, lol.

have you ever seen it happen in person? are you certain it's not a hoax?

and even if it's real, are you sure you want to get mad about something that doesn't affect you?

>>96953811
X cards are self-fulfilling in their function and therefor pointless in every scenario. Let's be real here, 99% of the time you are not going to have some real fucking weirdo at the table trying to use a group game like this to play out whatever bullshit they have going on in public, plus this person will not be interested in the use of X cards for that reason. The person who is prepared to use X cards on the other hand is already expecting there might be something to use them on, meaning that in a normal game you have a person at the table who is convinced they can't take the mention and thought of some basic theme that might come up during a regular fantasy adventure (or whatever theme the system is they actively chose to participate in). Such a person, rather doing using a "safety tool" and seeking out opportunities where they might be confronted with themes whose mere mention is enough to disturb them into shutting down and holding up a "stop" card like it's a bondage safety word, should not be at your table to begin with and probably seek real help instead of playing fantasy games.

And that is treating X cards as "genuine use", but the reality here is, as was already pointed out by others, that it is way more likely they are used to exert a bit of control over others for self-validation using shit like "arachnophobia" (because that's the most popular one in the bubbles of these people), all the while everyone else at the table would probably wish to rather use their X cards to veto whatever character this kind of person wants them to acknowledge.

>>96953811
The people whose bullshittery justifies them at con games are the same people who shouldn't be allowed at conventions in the first place.

>>96959124
have you played many games? I've been at two unrelated groups where a guy's interest made a girl visibly uncomfortable.

>>96959088
>it's not real
>and if it was, it wouldn't be so bad
>and how does this affect you anyway?
Beep boop.

>>96957112
Take your meds.

>>96959124
>self-validation using shit like "arachnophobia"

The fuck are you talking about, Jimmy?

>>96959135
Yet they are the exact same people who love going to cons.

>>96959149
Yes, that is why I've written 99% of the time. This never happened to me and I kid you not, I literally gm'd a game for a therapy group in psychiatric clinic. I don't know if I'm extremely lucky with my groups, but to me it seems all it takes is the slightest bit of common sense. The worst I ever had was a player maybe letting their power level slip by making some weird comment and then another player said something back in a way of pointing it out to them, the GM moved it along or where was a short moment of awkward silence and that was it. From my point of view with these experiences it seems almost impossible that a weird player or gm would get very far in playing anything out, due to being being constantly held in check by the rest of the real people at the table.

I think X-cards are cringe and if I'm trying to sell normies on the game, X-cards and pronouns and cultural sensitivity towards indigenous queer people of color kinda undermines that.

>>96959149
X-cards aren't for stopping dudes from hitting on women, though. They're for in-game content like arachnophobia or whatever. I don't see how that's relevant.

Also
>A man paid attention to me and I didn't like it
Boo fucking hoo. Dealing with the mild awkwardness of turning down a guy doesn't necessitate a formal panic button. Women can either use their words like big girls, or surreptitiously send a text message to the DM and use him as a hatchet man to get rid of the annoyance.

>>96959216
Arachnophobia is/was a go-to "trend phobia", one that needed to be accommodated in a variety of fiction and media to a silly degree, as in no other phobia matters but this one needed a safety option to "turn the spiders off" in every other video game and trigger warnings / disclaimers in the some stories. I do believe it's a real thing, but not to the degree that a ton of people suddenly couldn't stand the sight or even mention of fictional spiders for this to be necessary.

>>96959168
The fantasy is that you would somehow be force to introduce the X card to your game, and when you do this interaction will happen
>"Your character died"
>"lol no, my character can't die! i use my X card!"
and you will only be able to make a surprised pikachu face instead of saying "shut up Brad, you know that's no how you use that" and move on.

>>96958799
Those aren't people.

>>96955319
Evangelist.

Can I use an X card on non-straight relationships? Can I use it as a bludgeon against people not playing LG/NG/CG alignments because not good people did not good things to me growing up and people expressing non-good alignments affects my mentality?

All shitposting aside, X cards already have a good example of how to use, and that example is BDSM safe words. And just like with safe words, when they get used you stop, make sure the person is fine, and then never do what you were doing again because they have proven they can not mentally handle it.

To be clear, I mean if someone uses an X card in a game you are DM/GM for, you stop, tell them that you are sorry but they need to leave once ready because they have self proclaimed they can not handle your game, then move on without them. They no longer exist for your game.

>>96959421
>Can I use an X card on non-straight relationships?
Sure, how do you feel about inter-species relationships? Human male goblin female bother you? What if the goblin is also male?

>>96959440
>I mean if someone uses an X card in a game you are DM/GM
Weird thing to worry about since it's you as the GM that has to introduce the mechanic in the first place, I have never seen a player suggest it (and not even the people fantasizing about the X card ruining their games here say it can happen) so if you don't want an X card in your game you just, like, don't put it there?
Again, is a mechanic for playing with strangers in stores and conventions so you can move the game smoothly in the rare case anything were to happen.

>>96959024
Hey, at least you aren't shooting up the place during this specific tantrum.

X cards are for people who want to use their offense as a way to get power over someone.

I legitimately don't believe that anyone on /tg/ has ever seen an X-Card at a real game - maybe outside of conventions.
It's something I think there's just an online exposure to, and a performative hatred.

>>96954329
I've noticed how certain sort of people, with less imagination than a computer, try to criticize stuff they dislike but can't find real fault in by comparing it to AI.

>>96959612
>It's something I think there's just an online exposure to, and a performative hatred.

You've just described a good 85% of the opinions on this website

>>96959612
And yet it gets its own section in 9 out of 10 modern RPG rulebooks. Even if we all agree that not a soul on the planet actually uses it in practice, the fact that it so consistently needs to be inserted into games as a virtue signal is more exhausting than people who complain about it. You're being disingenuous to claim otherwise. It's like when RPGs feel the need to call out H.P. Lovecraft but will happily profit from his words. Just write the damn book and shut the fuck up.

>>96953611
Your home is empty and silent.

>>96954292
They actually don't treat anything, they only make it worse. If a disorder can't be cured, the humane solution is beheading.

>>96959637
don't quit your day job there lil buddy

>>96952175
>call one guy desperate for attention
>get 3 replies

>>96955319
You haven't read pretty much any history at all, ever, huh?

>>96957270
nobody cares about the OP you retard, jesus how clueless can you get

>>96957495
all of Bakshi's work fucking sucked ass by the way. incompetent hack of an animator

>>96959088
right, it's so trivial that there's no reason at all for you to remark on our refusal to use it. so why are you?

>>96959149
damn if only there was some way people could communicate their internal mental states to other people, perhaps by some mechanism of passing perturbations through a shared medium like air? no that would be ridiculous. sadly, we are left with no recourse but to make random guesses as to the experiences of others, forever.

>>96959382
Why can't it be? X cards as a system explicitly forbid anyone from questioning their use. If this is your position, then you agree with us that they don't function as designed, and therefore shouldn't be used.

unbroken string of seething tranny replies above me
X-cards are fake and gay if you have a real table/group though

>>96951674
Me like pronouns! Me is pronoun!

>>96959637
I'm saying it's an overly verbose description where a writing prompt might be "please give me a cool manly adventurous devastating trauma to my friends dad that might come up in a tabletop game and it's not me being scared of spiders or something".


We thought he'd be okay.

He wasn't.

After his arms and legs and face fell off, saving those orphans from the fire he was just... never the same.

That's why I had to x card our game of blottos blunderous cavern.

>>96960707
>>96958817
I'm sure you guys have to deal with crusaders and jihadis all the fucking time in your daily life.

>>96961119
In daily life, it's just the constant passive aggressive tantrums.

>>96960780
Not that Anon, but whenever I read a story about X-cards, the complaint doesn't seem to be about the design but rather about the shitty people using them.

That being said, never seen anyone use or even talk about the concept irl, but I'm not American nor do I play DnD. So what do I know.

>>96960319
>it gets its own section in 9/10 modern rulebooks
I've looked at a lot because I run one offs in new systems when our usual DM wants a break for the week and the most I ever notice is early in around the 'What is an RPG?' section that maybe gets two paragraphs about being considerate and having basic social awareness and courtesy if someone's getting upset or uncomfortable enough to say something about what's going on in the game. Which is sad that it has to be told to people but these are the same people that need to be told to bathe too.

Now I could be mistaken and just forget that there's more because I always just glance along those Chapter 1s before moving to the mechanics.
Maybe I don't read enough 'modern' rulebooks. Probably you could go to itch or something and skim 9 shitty little indie one pagers that have a quarter of their total type dedicated to it. I doubt if you restricted it to real games and books though, that it's as prevalent as you think it might be.

And it certainly is not as exhausting as chuds and idiots with irony poisoning bitching about it here every chance they get and can force in. You're full of shit there. It takes one flick of the eye to go over a paragraph about not running a rape scene in mixed company. An entire thread for days can be wrecked with shitposting polbait. Like this one!
In regards to creators or companies/publishers feeling the need to separate the art and artist or decry known personal beliefs of an author they're adapting or whatever - that's its own can of worms that probably comes with legalese we don't know. Even if not, I'll never blame anyone for making plain that they aren't welcoming to bigots who might mistake the presence of someone with their small minded ideals as endorsement. You really have to make it clear to these idiots sometimes or they take root like weeds.

>>96960780
If they use correctly, and see someone clearly unconfortable, then no, this shouldn't happen. Character dead la one of those things you talk before the game start so if someone has a "trigger" over that you find out before playing and not in the middle of it.

It's like a standard play from the book lol
Create this outlandish imagined scenario to be mad about. In this case it's not a yas kween driving a cadillac and using food stamps to buy wagyu beef, it's a bluehair basedperson using an X Card to not play by the rules (of a system it's already difficult to die in LOL) like the rest of us have to

So simple.

>>96961808
The only function served by an entire paragraph in an indie RPG preaching the creator's personal politics and telling the reader who is and is not allowed to play is a warning to the reader that the book they're about to read is utter horseshit and the system is a waste of their time.

>>96961950
I sincerely wager that, if you're being honest too and not disgenuine for the sake of arguing on 4chan being your main social outlet, you'd likely sing a different tune if said hypothetical personal politics and player policing were on 'your side'.
You'll say no, of course. But I'd bet if there was a way to catch you grinning when you read "Yadda yadda this is a based game for trve gamers. TiefLibs and X-Card Cucks not welcome...."

>>96961119
Yeah, we do.

>>96961816
What do you mean, correctly? The person using it doesn't even have to explain what they're uncomfortable with, according to the rules put in place by the guy who invented it. By definition, any use of an x card is legitimate, and only evil bigots would argue with someone about their own trauma.

>>96962108
Find one.

>>96959612
Nah, they tried to stall and even lower my rps gains with this shit. I had to start doing that irl.

>>96962140
You know damn well what it mean. You're arguing that fire alarms shouldn't exist because kids use them to pull pranks, so no one has a genuine use for them.

>>96962108
I'm being sincere, and it meant it both ways. It'd be just as much of a red flag and a waste of space in the book. I'm not interested in the author's personal politics, and if they can't keep them separate from their work, I'm inclined to think they're not worth listening to.

>>96962237
X-cards are nowhere near on the level of a fire alarm. You could achieve the same effect as an X-card by just straight up asking "Hey DM, can I talk to you about something important in private for a moment?" and laying out your troubles away from the table.

>>96962252
Yes, no one is saying you can't do that. What everyone is trying to say to you is that, a stranger, in a convention or LGS, who may have communication issues, may need an extra tool to do that, unlike you.

>>96951134 (OP)
So what's the fantasy medieval equivalent of an air release captive bolt pistol?

>>96962285
Again, said stranger could just go "Hey DM, can I talk to you about something important in private for a moment?" and resolve it in two minutes.

>>96962285
If you have communication issues, you shouldn't be playing games that revolve around communication with strangers.

>>96962335
Some try ttrpg to improve their communication issues. Specially in conventions.

>>96962350
If your communication issues are so bad that you can't do the bare minimum of "hey, can I talk to you for a sec", then you need to fix that before going to a convention to participate in an RPG with total strangers.

If you want to learn how to swim, you don't jump in the lake when you can't even handle splashing around in the kiddie pool.

>>96962402
I think you keep missing the point, some people want to try and run games for all kinds of audience, including people with issues, and letting them know what tools people use with that kind of player is not some cardinal sin.
And again, knowing something exists doesn't mean you have to use it, if you trust that you're the most approachable GM in the universe or something, you don't have to include it.

>>96962422
You've basically just explained that an X-card doesn't actually do anything different that a two minute explanation couldn't achieve. Even the most spastic moron has the capacity to take the GM aside and go "I'm feeling uncomfortable with the game right now". And even the most mute motherfucker can write it down or put it on a text on their cell phone. I don't take issue with the idea, but nobody's bothered to actually say what it does differently from a two minute convo with the GM. Is the intended audience someone who is so cripplingly socially deficient they have to hide under a cardboard box in public?

>>96962460
I think the main document clarifies more of the doubts you have (if you are sincere about it).
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SB0jsx34bWHZWbnNIVVuMjhDkrdFGo1_hSC2BWPlI3A/edit?tab=t.0
And yes, let me tell you I run games in conventions where I teach how to play and kids with issues do pop out from time to time (I must say whoever than so far things haven't gone so bad they needed to use the X-card, but I'm also a very experience GM)

>>96962422
First of all, I'm not even the same anon you've been arguing with, and second, running a game that is already prepared to include people with issues is the equivalence of a swimming class at the pool. It already been tailored to handle their lower level.

I'm not even of the opinion that the the X-card is some kind of cardinal sin, more like I think that some other anon here was 100% on point when he said it's a solution in search of a problem. Or more like a clunky solution to an artificial problem, with both originating from the same source. (Which, to be fair, aren't even the people involved in the actual game. They're just the target market for selling the solution after inventing the problem.)

Ultimately, the choice to jump in the lake is yours so don't blame other for not bringing a lifebuoy (and one that barely floats at that) if you start drowning.

>>96962507
I read through that aeons ago. And I'm still of the very frank opinion that if your players don't feel safe taking their problems to you when it matters most and need to slap a card on the table to circumvent it, then you've failed as a GM. That my players don't trust me enough to not prepare a safe and fun environment either before the game or during it is genuinely insulting and saddening.

So yes, I doubt the worm on this instance. I learned ages ago that avoiding and side-stepping troubles when it comes to a table only kicks the can down the road further, especially if the players don't trust you to keep their secrets when they really need it. Especially if there's something important I missed in my pre-game prep that a player doesn't feel safe in taking me aside to want to fix. If someone's got the sociability to sit down at my table and want to play with strangers, then they'd already have my full attention to doing right by them as a GM.

Almost all permanent daycare systems will eventually fall back to "well what if you're a caretaker for the retarded?" to justify wanting to use a system at all times, in all scenarios. Eventually you realize all of these mechanisms and tools belong solely in a care home for touched invalids or, somehow, orgies.

>>96962584
Shut up and gimme that Pep you boykissing sanrio ahh-

>-kr-CZIK crok-
>glug glug glug
Aaaaahhhh~

>>96962237
No, what I'm arguing what I actually wrote in my post, and nothing else. If you can't communicate your idea without an analogy, you don't have one.

>>96962960
This might be the dumbest post of all time.

>>96961119
ummm anon don't you know we literally live in heckin' fascism

>>96962978
Thanks for proving my point by failing to communicate any idea, again. If you could have pointed out anything I said that was incorrect, you would have. You didn't because you can't.

>>96963106
NTA who gave you the analogy to illustrate a point.
Whatever level of trolling you happen to currently be on, you really took it a step too far when you tried to say "you can't use analogies."

That's like you getting punched in the face, dropped to the ground, bleeding and sputtering, and saying "R-r-real men d-d-don't use their fists in a fight."

>>96963119
The analogy, like all analogies, illustrates nothing. If you actually had a point, you would just say it.

There are exactly two possibilities. Either P : "It is the case that you may argue with the card user" ; or ¬P : "It isn't the case that you may argue with the card user".

Case P contradicts the text of the original design document. Therefore, if P is true, it is the case that X cards as originally designed are stupid and should never be used, and some other method should be used instead.

If Case ¬P is true, then X cards actively facilitate abuse of the other people at the table, which contradicts the state purpose of X cards in the original design document. Therefore, if ¬P is true, it is the case that X cards as originally designed are stupid and should never be used, and some other method should be used instead.

As a statement and its negation are by definition the only possibilities, and we have shown that P and ¬P lead to the same result, we thus obtain that it is the case that X cards as originally designed are stupid and should never be used, and some other method should be used instead, and the proof is complete.

>>96963204
The document literally says
>The X-Card is not a replacement for conversation. If you prefer to talk about an issue that comes up instead of using the X-Card, please do. Just because the X-Card is available does not mean it has to be used. But when it is used, respect the person who uses it and don't ask why. The X-Card is optional.
>What should I do if someone uses an X-Card?
>"Do what you reasonably can to respect their boundaries."

>>96963231
So you aren't allowed to argue with the X card user, exactly as I just said. Therefore, we have ¬P as above, and X cards should not be used. I'm glad you came around to seeing the light, finally.

>>96963204
Man, it's rare to see an autist self-destruct like this.

You can give up the illusion of pretending you're using any real logic, when you're just shitposting. >>96962237 illustrates how your entire argument is flawed, and yet you're just going to try and keep going like you think people here are idiots.

You're not a very good troll.

>>96963253
It actually didn't illustrate anything.
Do you think you should be able to argue with the card user, or not?
Why can't you engage with anything I've said, instead of trolling?

>>96963253
Man, it's been a while since I've seen the "pre-emptively project your tantrum onto someone else" tactic, reminds me of middle school, good times

>he's just going to keep trying
You're really bad at this.

>>96963275
Do you think you should be able to argue with the card user, or not?
Trolling is against the rules.

>>96963283
Argue? no
Talk? yes
Act in a reasonable and respectful way if they're being reasonable and respectful with you and the table? Absolutely

>>96963312
Then we have P, as above, and X cards as designed shouldn't be used.

>>96953590
>JUST as abusable by you as it is them.
Depends on how many victim boxes you can tick.

>>96963312
Why did you bother responding to him. He couldn't be a more obvious troll even if he wasn't in a proxy-pol thread.

>>96963257
Nta but you're trying to invalidate the x-card utility out of its intrinsic logical fallacies when the real underlying frame is that, in the context of a social activity, people will make of whatever tool what they want it to be rather than using the tool for what it is designed to be. People that want to use the x-card WILL make it work the same way a group that wants to hammer 5e rules for a space opera game about intergalactic rance WILL make it work (for them) and no matter how retarded it is you can't make them aware of the illogicality of it because the issues that you highlight aren't a concern to them. Simple as.

Let it rest anon, you're literally fighting against windmills at this point.

>>96963332
No. Either you agree with the design document as it was originally written, or you do not. Do not say anything else when replying to me. Trolling is against the rules.

>>96963338
Nigger i do agree with you, i'm just explainig to you why you're not going to drive any point in this discussion.

>>96963344
You're right, of course, just not for the reason you think.

>>96963318
Only if you assume people using are doing it in bad faith and don't really need them. If someone takes it's X-Card because your description of blood and gore it's too much there's nothing to talk (or"argue" as you try to frame it) and you just tone it down, but if it's something unclear or detrimental to the game you can ask them about it (is the person is the kind that can't handle that you can skip momentary the obtrusive scene and talk with them later, after the game)

>>96963353
Actually, I haven't made any claims about faith, one way or the other.
Is there some developmental disorder that prevents you from engaging in what I actually said, instead of a bunch of bullshit that I didn't say?

>>96963353
No, the design document says "don't ask why". So you do, in fact, agree that the way they were originally designed is stupid. Or you lied about what you really believed.

>>96963332
>intrinsic logical fallacies
lol. You failed Intro to Logic 101, didn't you?
>>96963344
See, now you think you're being clever here, but you're still just using the same "can't face how dumb I look after >>96962237
The little puppet show is at least a step up, but it's still just the same you being dumb on purpose.

>>96963366
Jhc are you a fucking bot? I clearly wrote "Nta" at the beginning of my post. Also fucking explain to me where in that specific post i made a case for that anon conclusion rather than simply pointing out to his course of action. You must be 100% retarded.

>>96963364
Except the document does say you can talk, fist line says
>You don’t have to explain why. It doesn't matter why. When we lift or tap this card, we simply edit out anything X-Carded.
Which is what you cite but is followed by
>And if there is ever an issue, anyone can call for a break and we can talk privately.
Which explains you (the GM) or them (the playes) can take a break to talk about it if the situation calls for it (as in, you disagree). You just don't make them talk about it in the table interrupting the play.

>>96963398
If you're just going to lie about the state of affairs of things in the world, then you aren't interesting in discussion, and we have no further business. Do not reply to me again until you're prepared to act like an adult.

>>96963397
Even for a troll, you're not very clever.
You've given no one any reason to extend to you the benefit of the doubt, so just about anything you say will be taken as you trying to mislead people.

>>96963409
Dude, the document is right here, you claim you read it but clearly you either didn't or you grossly misunderstood it
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SB0jsx34bWHZWbnNIVVuMjhDkrdFGo1_hSC2BWPlI3A/edit?tab=t.0

>96963409
>he's giving up
Thank god. Taking bits and piece of the document out-of-context and ignoring the full thing is such shit bag behavior, I wonder what else he would try to do.

>>96963422
I know, that's where I pulled the screenshot that I provided you from. I will not acknowledge any further posts from you. Grow up.

>he's not giving up
I mean, expected, but still disappointing.

>>96963413
Faggots like you are the main reason this place is reduced to a fucking wasteland. Either you want to engage in an argument or gtfo. Calling me a "troll" just because dared to interject in the discussion NOT EVEN REPLYING TO YOU but to the other anon is peak mongoloidism.

>>96963475
You can't try to pull the high horse card this late and try to pretend you're not a cancer on this board.
Look. You're a shit troll. A really shit one.

>Proxy-pol thread
>empty argument that deliberately ignores key details
>an effort to ignore a simple analogy that lets everyone see just how wrong he is
>a desperate effort to use laborous faux-logic in hopes people won't immediately see through it
>boldly lying

Maybe this isn't the board for you. Stick to regular /pol/, instead of dragging /pol/ arguments here. They're much dumber over there.

>>96963519
>>Proxy-pol thread
>>empty argument that deliberately ignores key details
>>an effort to ignore a simple analogy that lets everyone see just how wrong he is
>>a desperate effort to use laborous faux-logic in hopes people won't immediately see through it
>>boldly lying
All these pseudopoints regard the other anon you having the argument with i simply made clear why the discussion is moot to begin with, go back rereading my post adhd mong.

Well, that was a sputtering whimper.

>>96963519
No one knows who or what you're arguing against anymore. Trying to reply to you it's impossible since you managed to dilute the argument to the point no one knows your position or what you're trying to say.

>>96963519
No details ignored, invalid analogy, real logic, no lying. You lose.

>>96963554
By you, yeah.

>>96963409
Are you going to post the entire quote?

>>96959360
My favorite part is when they celebrate the spiders being replaced with crabs, when real arachnophobics get triggered by crabs too.

>>96963674
Oh wow, you're right, it DOES say "don't ask why"! So he was right.

>>96963733
It also say a bunch of other stuff, but I guess that's not important.

>>96963774
Yeah, I guess it isn't, you dumb fucking nigger.

>>96963804
someone got mad lol

>>96963816
Yeah, you, clearly.

>>96963835
If that's what you consider mad, you may need to include an X-Card for your very sensitive person.

Reply again if you're furious :)

Are there any actual success stories of x-card usage that anyone can provide?

>>96964051
In what sense? You can find forums of people sharing their experience but that's about it.
>https://www.enworld.org/threads/have-you-used-the-x-card-or-seen-it-used-in-person.714956/

>>96964106
Like a time that using it actually diffused a difficult situation with an otherwise non-communicative player at the table. Which as far as I can tell is the intended purpose of keeping the X-card on hand.

>>96964051
There was that guy who made dungeon world who got creepy with a pc who pulled out the x card and he stopped and everyone was OK.

Oh wait no I forgot, they were too spineless to use it, let the entire thing happen, then went crying to Twitter to cancel him days later.

X cards are crybully bullshit like everything else in the modern day.

>>96951134 (OP)
X cards are great. They keep /tg/ out of my games. Don't get me wrong. I'll hang out here on occasion, but I would never want to spend my saturdays with any of you bitter, insufferable fags. So I do all the shit. X cards, ask for pronouns, session 0 and it keeps you people the fuck away from me. And honestly, I think that is the true purpose of the X card. That guy repellent.

>>96951479

I laughed at it, because I thought it was clever and funny. This is the first time I ever saw this thread.

>>96966831
no games lol

>>96966872
No you didn't.

>>96966990
Given that you are a botched abortion, you should be used to being unwanted.

lol now the breakdown starts

>>96966831
>Im a huge fag, such a MASSIVE fag I love cock so much
Weird thing to post anon

>>96967437
If you NEETs knew how to separate /tg/ memes from playing at an actual table with normal people, I wouldn't need to block you out like this. Last time I let one of you retards play at my table you wouldn't stop casually referring to women at femoids and kept bitching about tinder. Read the room. You are playing with two accountants, an IP lawyer, and a quant. Be normal.

>>96967514
lol based, kill all women

>>96951454
>>96951479
Total Tiefling genocide.

>>96955319
>>96954292
It's probably more accurate to say if you meet a religious person who threatens to kill you if you don't accept their beliefs as true then you imprison that person, not just 'humor them'. You are not a special snowflake, no one is going to baby you.

>>96951134 (OP)
I use X-Cards for one reason: I get extra DM credit if I do. It takes a few seconds of spiel, then I can afford more items for myself. You wouldn't hold that against me, would you? If you got paid extra each day of work for doing something dumb that only takes you a few seconds, wouldn't you do it?

>>96967671
So you basically lie to your DM that you're an insecure ninny just for fake gold? I mean, I guess if you're practicing to become a whore, that's one way to do it.

>>96967783
It's not lying though. I tick the org play incentive box, then I move on. Don't blame me for using the tools I'm given. That's what separates us from primitive beasts. If you want to blame someone, blame yourself or God.

>>96967514
>yeah all my cool, successful friends love gay shit that sucks and we'd never invite you to our birthday party
Dollar store internet debate tactic.

>>96963332
the word order of this meme is torturous

>>96967671
No, I wouldn't, since I'm already so wealthy that money has no meaning to me.

>>96967829
Hey, it's your life, anon. I don't feel the need to empathize someone who has so little self-respect for themselves.

>>96967830
>basic careers
>ermagerd bragging much
NEET reaction.

How many X cards can I run in my Yugioh deck? I'm going to presume three but I haven't seen the banlist recently.

>>96967830
The fact he had to make up friends to pretend to play with is the worst part.

>>96967895
He's such a faggot. The whole premise of those creative writing shit is fucked. /tg/ is the hobby. This board is the center of tabletop culture. If you are at a table and you talk like you are on /tg/ you are just.. being a tabletop gamer.

>>96967864
>>96967877
I value money because I value myself. You'll understand one day.

bro doesn't have infinite money lol

Jesus Christ, this thread reeks of poverty. Bunch of slow-mouthed, slower-brained southerners in here.

>>96951134 (OP)
>D&D 5e
That's where things got wrong. You were lucky you weren't raped in a homosexual way.

>>96967885
If you have a job, get the fuck out of here. No one wants to hear your ivory tower bullshit.

>>96968500
>value yourself
>openly admits they do the opposite of value themselves for petty cash
Money fetishists are such sad creatures

>>96968930
>>96969896
Unemployed filth typed these posts. Begone, liberal.

>>96954329
Maybe it's AI, maybe it's not, but what it is definitely is a someone's attempt to legitimize x-cards in the eyes of a type of person they think wouldn't at first agree with them, but with this one simple manipulative propaganda trick they can coerce a wrongthinker into having the correct beliefs.

>>96970010
>Coerce
How are they using violence?

You do not have to play in a game that uses x cards.
People can use whatever the fuck armchair psychology they want in their games.
The original pic wasn't as ebin lol pwn as you imagined.
You are a nogames faggot.
Go back to /pol/ cuck.

>>96951134 (OP)
I go to monthly RPG events at a student club, usually 4 to 6 tables running whatever the GM offers, with players ranging from 14 to over 50. X cards are given out at the entrance. In almost two years of going there, I've never heard of them being used once, at least I haven't seen it on my tables. At best they're used as part of a joke. And that despite some games having been quite heavy on fantasy racism.

I have never seen any serious or valid use of the x-card. I have only ever seen it used as a joke or as some bullshit done to try and garner sympathy points or start shit with someone else.

I have ran games with people who have ptsd, including myself, and the people who seriously try to use it or start talking about how, "no one understand their experiences," pisses me off. One dude I know lost a chunk of hsi foot from a spider bite, and even he is not as histrionic as the average person who claims to have arachnophobia.

>>96970246
>person with a phobia, which is an irrational fear of something, is more afraid of the thing that someone who actually experienced the thing
>almost as if their fear was irrational

Really makes you think

>>96951134 (OP)
I used an x-card once. There was a suicide scene happening in game. Wasn't into it for personal reasons that I wasn't close enough with any of the players to explain. Tapped the card and asked to gloss the suicide. DM nodded and just went, "Well, you all get where that was going." and moved on to the next bit. Wasn't a big deal. No one mentioned it. Game didn't come to a screeching halt. Western civilization didn't end. Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is, but different social media sites get different fixations, so I am guessing that is just what this is.

>>96970678
Right. I think part of the point that a lot of concern trolls don't get when they're pretending to have the best interest of the person in mind saying "Have a conversation like an adult" is that the point of the tool as it's presented (which they won't know because again, they've never seen it, just getting mad about it online) is that it's not a conversation thing. Its explicit purpose is in not stopping the game to make it about whatever your issue is with the subject matter and instead just signaling to a DM who'll smoothly move along.

Maybe if more of them had ever played beyond a couple of shitty session of 5E in a Discord group on Roll20.

It's a tool. It has a use and a place. Famously, autistics have issues with understanding that other peoples' experiences are different than theirs. I figure a lot of retards here can't take the realization in that just because they've never needed that use or been in that place, doesn't mean they don't exist.

>>96951644
They were constantly in danger and that's why they needed safety tools. This specific safety tool is known to fail often. They were engaging in an activity they deem dangerous with inapropriate tools. They were probably stressed to fuck.

>>96970678
And how is that any different from asking to gloss the suicide without tapping the card first? What does the card add that you couldn't do before?

>>96971058
Saves time.

a) Tapping a card + asking to gloss suicide

b) asking to gloss suicide

Your claim is that a), where you take an identical action, but you add on an additional action, takes less time? That's what you're going with? Why do I even bother talking to people on this site anymore lol. Did everyone get replaced with six year olds from India at some point?

>>96971092
Online dialogue has always been shit. But it's gotten worse over the years as more and more shitposting services become more and more affordable. You can pay a call center a dollar and get one thousand shitposts. Some anone could fund this entire board with his 7/11 cashier job. Assume anyone who sticks to their point unconditionally and/or in an unreasonable way is being paid to post that point.

>>96970895
>Its explicit purpose is in not stopping the game to make it about whatever your issue is with the subject matter and instead just signaling to a DM who'll smoothly move along
"Hey GM, can we talk in private for a moment?".

There's no confusion over the X-card's purpose. The confusion is over the insistence of tool's [necessity] at the table. And nobody in this thread has bothered to explain the issue with just asking to talk in private beyond "communication issues" and insulting anyone for thinking that approaching the DM is some kind of horrible thing instead of the norm.

Didn't one of the biggest online proponents of x-cards get cancelled because he trusted his players to use the x-cards if they felt uncomfortable and they didn't and instead just went online after the game to bitch about him to reddit?

And I don't even dislike safety tool, it just seems x-cards are proven to not work. The people who are so pussy and nonconfrontational that they won't speak up for themselves are 90% of the time also too pussy and nonconfrontational to lift a little x-card up.

>>96966831
fuck off tourist

Unconfirmed story, but while such people are rarer than rightoids would claim, they do exist.

If X-cards are so uncommon and no one here has seen them used, why are they in every RPG book printed since 201X, and why are they so important to have?

Is an X-card such a minor thing that anyone who objects to them is a big ole manbaby, get over it, no one uses them anyways? Or are they a vital tool to prevent abuse and only a racist chud would not allow them? Pick one.

Holy shit this shit seems so gay and cringe. I'd laugh at a troon or pussy if they pulled shit like this

>>96953811
If you're old enough to go play with complete strangers you're old enough to know how to handle things.

>>96951494
>short message handed surreptitiously to the dm that you have discomfort with that part of the game
this example is the opposite of x cards. an X card, in practice, has you voicing objections in the middle of a game and creates a guessing game for the GM on what theyre doing wrong.

>>96971528
Yup. It's because he "raped" a robot. The worst part is that he didn't even rape the robot, he just shorted a port on the back of its head and described the software crash.

Fuck this retarded shit.

>>96972335
You do realize that if your story is even remotely true, it proves that the X card does not in fact stop arguments from happening but actually exacerbates them, yes?

Probably not, considering you're either a troll or genuinely stupid, and I'm hoping troll.

>>96972335
They include them to pretty much cover their asses by the types of people that story is about, essentially.

>>96971432
>insulting anyone for thinking that approaching the DM is some kind of horrible thing
No one has said this, you just like fighting imaginary battles in your head and your incessant antagonism over an optional tool is but one more case of that.
Your entire complain is "I have no use for this therefore no one should have any use for this, and it makes me mad".

>>96972620
Projecting real damn hard there, anon. Especially because I've been repeatedly asking for the people who say this tool is "needed" at the table as opposed to "optional but nice to have" to explain their reasoning, and so far there's been jack.

>5e
Well, there's your problem

>>96954716
Dragon Magazine #300 solves all issues of campaign age ratings by creating terminology for the expected edginess of a campaign which only needs to be declared once.

>>96959088
>have you ever seen it happen in person? are you certain it's not a hoax?
I haven't joined a game with it, but my college's TTRPG club strongly encourages it.
>>96959360
Trypophobia is another phobia that mainly exists because of trends. Obviously fear of parasites and infected wounds (the claimed evolutionary reason for trypophobia) exists on it's own, but fear of repeated discrete circles (such as a camera lens cluster) is just performative weakness.

>>96972560
And why would they need to protect themselves from that sort of person, when they're so vanishingly rare and powerless, and the Real Problem is the rampant racism/sexism among the [checks notes] overwhelmingly liberal/progressive tabletop roleplaying community?

The problem is so bad, WotC tried to rescind the OGL in a desperate attempt to restrain the endless torrent of racist/sexist/homophobic content. Unfortunately, a huge number of people must be super racist, because they got really mad at WotC over it.

[/Sarcasm]

The problem happens when people like Miss X-card-Spammer take their case to Twitter and get a cushy consultant gig over it.

>>96972640
People have told you how they use it, you just don't care.

>>96972906
I will never understand how that kind of person isn't ostracized for being such a massive bitch instead.

>>96973076
You're "answering" a question nobody was asking, you two-faced troll.

>>96973110
>I don't like the answer so it doesn't count
I guess that's one way to pretend to win an argument.

>running game at a convention. try x-cards as an easy safety tool for a bunch of strangers to get their no-nos across without taking up our time slot doing a session 0
>get to the final boss
>its a spider boss with her drow underlings and a couple of innocent hostages trapped in the spiders web
>*player taps the x-card*
>ok maybe its arachnaphobia, redo the scene except this time its lizardmen and the people are trapped in a cage
>*player taps the x-card again*
>alright what is it now? maybe the fact that one of the hostages is a child? go back and change the scene so the trapped child is now an adult
>*player taps the card again*
>turns out it was claustrophobia and the player wanted me to put them in handcuffs instead of a web cocoon or cage

>>96973110
Theories:
[ ] Complicity Lots of people also agree with her moral premises, they just don't take them to the logical conclusion that she does (that she must, in the moment, oppose all instances of transgression against marginalized groups, especially when a straight white male is committing them, even if it's in a pretend-elf-game). Rather like the relationship between normie believing religious people and wacky zealot religious people; the normies feel slightly embarrassed by the zealots, but also vaguely guilty that they're not as zealous as the zealot.

[ ] Geek Culture Gender Dynamics. She's a girl. If they ostracize her, they're guilty of sexism AND gatekeeping. No matter how many people she alienates, there'll always be another white-knight orbiter to step up and defend her. Related to complicity above, lots of geeks have that white-guilt/male-guilt complex; they were told to Listen To Women, this is what a woman is telling them, and she's obviously an ambassador for her entire gender and ideology, she certainly speaks with that level of confidence.

[ ] She already is ostracized. She's bumming around a LGS playing in a 5e module with a bunch of randos, this is where she washed up. The store has learned to ignore her long emails.

[ ] Straightforward fear. Even blatantly crazy people can find some audience on the internet that will take them at their word because their crazy happens to align with that audience's narrative. On the internet, no one knows you're a schizophrenic hobo. Especially if she uses the big buzzwords (Gatekeeping Ableist Racist Misogyny Abusive Transphobic ect) which imply something much worse than what actually happened. Thus is the Twitter Mob formed.

>>96973218
>he didn't just recycle the previous enemies look for the final boss but bigger

>>96970895
Exactly this. The reason I liked having that as an option was that I didn't want to stop the game to have a conversation with the DM. I didn't want to talk about it at all. I wanted to just nix that part and move on with a minimum of fuss and no questions. Which was neatly accomplished by mutual understanding around the table of what tapping the thing meant. Tapped the card, said 5-6 vague words. Nod from DM. No conversation, no bullshit, and it was forgotten by everyone else before the end of the session.

>>96951494
The kind of x-cards that get made fun of wouldn't cover niche traumatic scenarios like this and very frequently those carrying the trauma don't know they have it until they encounter the obstacle.

Your story sounds like a larp but it still functions as a good example of how this would be handled organically and how it should and was handled before the derangements of modern terminally online people flooding the hobby.

>>96974188
...It is a card with an X on it. This isn't baskin robins. They don't come in flavors.

>>96951644
Yeah they were having fun tone policing and that's the problem

>>96974296
Aren't x-cards checklists handed out in session 0?

you can just tell that the assholes who don't use x-cards are the same type of people who vote Trump, don't give a fuck about the genocide happening in Gaza, and try to gatekeep POC and trans people out of D&D. fuck them. their opinion is invalid and the hobby is moving beyond them. X-Cards are an important way to ensure a safe space for those who need it. I like to use it alongside the session 0 "lines and veils" questionnaire just to make sure I catch triggering content that people forget to put down in their questionnaire.

>>96970320
My point is that the cards don't really help the people they are claiming to help and that most people who claim to have some sort of phobia or mental disorder don't actually have them. Also the dude with a missing chunk of his foot did have arachnophobia. Still was less histrionic than some random dickhead claiming they couldn't handle a spider as a verbal description in a game. Stuff like this is better handled just talking about it if it comes up or mentioning it rather than pointing at a card over and over again.

Usually the cards are just people trying to start shit or talk about how sensitive they are for using them.

>>96974374
You were doing so well with that strawman up until you said “D&D”, anon

>>96974388
You know, thinking everyone else it's acting in bad faith and trying to trick you is a sign of sociopathy.

>>96974568
You’re the one encouraging people communicate less to solve their problems, anon

>>96974568
It's less me thinking someone is trying to trick someone and more that any case outside of humor I have seen it attempt being used was by some asshole trying to lecture people with ptsd or actual phobias about how ignorant they are to other people's plights or how they don't understand struggles in life.

I want people to actually talk their problems out since that is the much better for things like this that can come up.

>>96974622
And this is circumstance that has personally happened in your games with actual human beings in them and totally not something you made up in your head for you to be angry about.

>>96974639
Yes.

>>96970895
>concern trolls
fuck right off with your twitter lingo. nobody is “concerned” they just don’t want to play with weirdos.

>>96974622
If your personal anecdote is valid, then so it's the personal anecdote of everyone else telling you how it help them.

>>96974733
Of which there are notably far fewer than the amount of anecdotes where it has only hindered communication

>>96974767
Mixed results. Damn, maybe the DMs who want to use it should and the DMs who don't want to use it shouldn't and everyone should quit bitching and moaning about what happens at other people's tables. Oh fuck. I think I solved almost every single one of these stupid perennial 4chan arguments in one shot.

>>96974693
Lol. You willingly played at an x-card table? Did you put a solidarity tampon up your ass before you sat down, you soft, #metoo faggot?

>>96974857
Maybe you should X-card yourself from how hard you’re triggering yourself over this topic, anon

>>96974893
>"People should mind their own business and play how they want."
>"Look how triggered you are right now."

>>96974902
Considering you whine how everyone is a liar but you, yeah, you do seem a tad hit under the collar over this

>>96974872
The lady doth protest too much.

>>96974910
>"People should mind their own business and play how they want."
>"Look how triggered you are right now."
>*concise summary of last two posts*
>"Telling people to play how they want to play is whining."

>>96974933
And now you’re writing fan fiction

>>96974933
>"People should mind their own business and play how they want."
>"Look how triggered you are right now."
>*concise summary of last two posts*
>"Telling people to play how they want to play is whining."
>*concise summary of last four posts*
>"I didn't type what I typed."

>>96972335
The purpose is to demoralize white nations so jews can flood them with savages for the purposes of genocide, hope this helps

>>96974933
Probably should have tapped that x card if you were that upset, anon

>>96974983
>"People should mind their own business and play how they want."
>"Look how triggered you are right now."
>*concise summary of last two posts*
>"Telling people to play how they want to play is whining."
>*concise summary of last four posts*
>"Look how upset you are."

>>96974872
I never played an x card. I am talking about people who used them.

>>96975005
Yes

>>96975009
Dude. You openly admitted to playing at a table that uses x-cards. That genie don't go back in the bottle. That shame stays with you. That's like saying you sit down to take a piss. Man card revoked.

>>96974977
So what flavor of fake white are you? Slav, Irish, or Italian?

>>96975009
Man card restored.

>>96975075
Liberal nubs typed this post.

>>96975075
Gigachad hands typed this post.

>>96951134 (OP)
To be fair, a "drop in game" is the only suitable place for that kind of thing. Though, if it's a game regilarly done with strangers, they should already just have ground rules of it avoiding R rated topics and anyone whining about something more innocuous can go back onto the cobbles

>>96957112
Frankly, this... It works like having a powertripping HOA karen on your game

>>96951482
>>96951494
>"You all meet in a tavern, at the bar a surly man is ordering another pint of ale."
*hand DM a note that my dad died of liver poisoning*
>"Uhhh... at a nearby table a dwarf is gorging himself on a leg of honey-roasted por-"
*hand DM a note that my mum died of complications due to diabetes*
>"Ah... umm... In the corner a hooded man is smoking from a-"
*hand DM a note that my grandfather died of lung cancer*
>"Er... Nevermind... actually there's some men and halflings shooting dice..."
*hand DM a note saying my grandmother killed herself after gambling all the family savings*
>"You know what, the tavern is closed now. You go out into the street, the air is alive with the hustle and bustle as crowds move to-"
*hand DM a note that my sister died in a crowd crush*

>>96951644
>admits the only way pronoun people have fun is by being nuisances with X-cards.