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『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
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>Thread question:
If they release those weapon options for the platform will you play tower defense with a master of signals?

>>96952185 (OP)
I'm no sure what keeps me from getting some araknae and tarantulas and just FORTIFY my position. Besides the fact tarantulas only shoot by motion tracker, I guess idk

>>96952185 (OP)
https://youtu.be/sqMUehfee8c?si=RPCa3olN00bfk7Zc
>erm 'loud gulp' guys. Is 3.0 dead????? maybe the circle heresy is where we should all go

Played a 1.5k ZM today. I played my traitor ravenguard as black shields, reaper of lives and legacy of nikae. Gonna post a few pictures. The game was pretty much lost in the list building stage. My friend playing EC put two tac squads on his home objectives and there was no real way to catch up on kill points. I further fucked myself during deployment. Terminators in hall ways, not a great time.

Still having a hard time enjoying 3.0. Black shields may have flavor, but the game is starting to feel one note

>>96952222
We played the first mission in the ZM rules, confined spaces kept my leviathan in my deployment zone. Spitting phosphex did not do much, opponent rolled well on his panic checks.

Nullificators repurposed into combi-disintegrator termies. I weep for how absurdly shit disintegrators have become this edition.

>>96952185 (OP)

Hosted a doubles event for LI today, had 8 people, so 2 games of 2 v 2. 1500 points a player so 3k points a side.

>>96952238

More pics.

>>96952235
While I was trapped in my deployment zone, forgetting to use my psyker powers, the boys at least looked good.

Dropping truth bombs again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqMUehfee8c

>>96952222
>1.5k zm game in tight corridors
>spend 1k+ pts on cataphractii, saturnine and a leviathan
anon I... The EC player could stop over half your army in its tracks with a single 20 man squad

>>96952211
the new tarantulas are also kinda ugly and horrendously expensive. Getting a bucket of spiders from a recaster is your only recourse

>>96952256
Is that multimelta a 3d print or conversion?

>>96952256
A good overview image of my opponents deployment, and mine. I’m definitely going to try to run reaper of lives again or some other alternate scoring stuff. I find the need to put two mandatory line units on your home objectives far too gamey.

>>96952235
>Nullificators repurposed into combi-disintegrator termies
F

>>96952235
I liked the rarity of disintegrators last edition and how powerful and risky they were.

>>96952276
This picture is for you >>96952270 anon
I know I fucked up. I love terminators. I built this board before my opponent showed up. I never considered I’d end up deployed on the side made of tiny hallways. My fault.

>>96952288
That's what they should always be. This stupid fad for a new edition is so...artificial.

>>96952301
Indeed, I for one will prefer 2.0 because 3.0 is so much worse.

>>96952297
Now, the two challenges of the game. My centurion, who was imbedded with his retinue, versus the champion/sergeant of my opponents palatine blade squad. I had the paragon of battle prime advantage. He struck first, taking him down to 1 wound. The finishing blow thunderhammer then killed him at i1

>>96952185 (OP)
I see them you bastard

>>96952310
The second challenge, saturnine command squad champion with master sergeant versus tartaros command squad champion or whatever the fuck he is. This fucking asshole can-openered me like I was a five dollar whore. Goddamn auto wounding rending hits and flurry of blows.

I did no damage with my axe, and got absolutely ass fucked. Although that’s what I get for bringing unpainted models.

All in all, I lost before the game started, and it was really disheartening. I’ve missed playing, and this wasn’t a great way back in. Time to over correct and run max size full troop slots and be miserable. BRING BACK DEEPSTRIKE

>>96952274
3d print
>>96952285
I weep for what we lost

>>96952213
Buy an ad you fat fucking loser

>>96952347
oh no, more people must know the joys of army wide 4++ fnp being balanced lmao

>>96952310
>>96952331
>>96952297
>>96952276
>>96952256
>>96952235
>>96952222
The Leviathan is cool but a horrendous choice for ZM. Boxnaughts are actually the best since they can squeeze into the bulky (6) zones that pop up.

>line commanders in tartaros plate embedded into power armoured squads
what's hotter?

>>96952448
I think he might have a place as a rear line defense, at least in the first mission you can have him reliably guard the first two objectives. I agree with you though, it was not a solid choice for the limited area, even if him shaking his fist and shooting phosphex was cool

>>96952452
Power-armoured Centurion being escorted by a Cataphractii bodyguard

I tried salvaging the new cataphractii design in photoshop. I think a head swap does a lot to improve it, but these new models are still gonna be a hard pass for me.

>>96952478
this is also very good

>>96952452
Diabolist in cataphractii armor leading Phraetus from the middle

>>96952480
No they as too lankey still

>>96952347
Why so mad bro

Does anybody run indomitus terminators? I got some older models for free that I could modify for heresy world eaters. (got 4 with lightning claws, 1 not built will probably make the sergeant)

>>96952222
cool to see you jumping into ZM, but man the missions and door (x) confined space (y) rules are pretty fucking retarded this edition

>>96952480
Boggles the mind that without the thigh plates they'd look even lankier. What were they thinking?

What bizarre thought process did GW have to think what Mech players wanted was Skitarii? Not a plastic release of the Scyllax, Myrmidon, Domitar or Vorax but fucking Skitarii.

>>96952699
taghmata have a really anemic roster of troops choices with one's line fuckers basically bound to take the form of a castellax horde, thallax mob, or thrall carpet
skitarii besides are very present amidst the heresy but fuck me man
>not like this
we need picrel yo

what could have been,,,,,,

I think I have the list I will be building + painting towards ironed out:
>cata praetor, forge crafted hammer
>librarian, force axe, biomancy, telepathy, combat vet
>chaplain, serpenta
>siege breaker, fc hammer, melta bombs
>2x10 tacticals, nuncio vox
>1x10 breachers, 2 lascutter, combi melta and melta bomb sergeant
>4x rhino, dozer blade, havoc launcher
>drop pod
>land raider carrier, hull mount lascannons
>1x5 cata command, lightning claws, master sergeant
>2x1 phosphex rapier batteries
>1x9 heavy support squad, autocannons
>1x7 pyroclasts, warden with fc hammer
>1x10 sanctifiers, all serpenta, 2x power maul, consectrator with fc power maul, master sergeant
>deredeo, lascannons, boreas air defense missiles

>>96952712
>>96952719
I mean if they looked like this I wouldn't complain but fuck the models look worse than the ones in 40k

>>96952733
yeah it's pretty bad
the teaser of the legs actually got me pretty riled up but alas, shit is botched at least in my eyes
i know some like them a little more and that's all fine and dandy but skitarii can take some pretty monstrous forms and such an angle was not much pursued

>>96952719
>>96952712
Scale would be off but those look like they could be cobbled together based on 40k berserkers or the aos khorne guys. Maybe if you find a multi part 3d print.

>>96952745
They did the shit with legs on purpose so one would be shorter than the other

>>96952238
this terrain is still pretty grim but it is miles and miles better than the usual GW fucking L's.

>>96952750

It's supposed to be a fucking desert, of course it's grim.

tale of 4 gamers on warhammer+ hasn't used area terrain or cover saves in 6 games of 3.0

>>96952185 (OP)
Looking to make a traitor ultramarine character for my wordbearers. Outside of actual command roles like centurions or delgatus what would be a cool specialist character role to take. The character himself is gonna be a heavily censured um that independently came across chaos on a battlefield and swapped teams when wb invaded ultramar

So now that it's been a couple of days and we've all had time to calm down from the initial reaction, what are your honest thoughts about the new Cataphractii?

>>96952857
temuphractii

>>96952857
Those are some tiny power fists, the hell?

>>96952857
They a built like the average primaris marine, with bigger shoulders.
The stupid little thigh flaps don't help with that either

Total dogshit

>>96952857
cool Tartaros models

>>96952857
They have the proportions of automata, like the Arlatax or the Iron Circle.

>>96952857
they're pretty fukkin fetid m8

crying shame too because cataphractii plate has tended to be just excellently done prior

>>96952857
A splendid advertisement for tortuga bay who are still somehow the only ones to get this shit right in just making THE OLD SHIT with BETTER PROPORTIONS

man those thigh plates just get worse and worse the more i look at them

>>96952857
Just get Tortuga and put the old arms on them.

>>96952956
wtf these look fairly excellent?????

>>96952946
>>96952956
Multi million dollar company vs three Ukrainians in an apartment somewhere

aaa sedivalleman save me
good lord did the guy ever nail saturnines i'd love to see his take on cataphractii even if i've no real need or use for them
not the biggest fan of the tartaros analogues
his tr00scale mk.Vs are fucking sublime in my eyes though with some scale tweaking and abdominal reduction
>chain hatchet lmao

>>96952857
The ONLY thing wrong with the old Cataphractii kit was the loincloth.

For some reason they are completely static & flat and make the whole model look ass. If you replace them they look great.

New Cataphractii don't have any of the bulkiness of the old ones & will look shit alongside any Cataphractii character sculpts, which are amazing.

It kind of baffles me to have such a big departure from the current Cataphractii design when so many legion specific units still use it.

>>96952956
swap the heads too imo, lovely otherwise

>>96952857
I like them. Shame that the kit itself is gonna be complete dogshit and only come in boxes of six though.

>>96952857
If you want "honest" opinions ask in a month or two. The real shame of it is that people will shovel this shit down their throat and say it's great.
Terminators and Dreadnoughts are my favourite minis so GW fucking them is not filling me with hope

>>96951260
OH! AH! UP THE RA!

>>96952857
Genuine honest thoughts and options? On /TG/? Are you High?

>>96952857
I think they might be slowly growing on me, but I'd need one on hand to compare with my MkIIs

>>96952857
Honestly, I can never judge a model till I see it in person as bare plastic. I've been tricked by perspective and paint scheme too many times.

What are the loadout options for a loyalist Champion? I want to give mine an extra melee weapon and a jump pack.

>>96952211
>TQ

the Araknae-Punisher would require a special moulding unless there's a Sicaran refresh coming with dual Punisher cannon, but the Araknae-Orias I think is doable without any great difficulty now, it's just a matter of mounting two sets of Orias launch arms where the autocannon mounts are, and of course if you've made a couple of Whirlwhints you've got those launch arms and missiles to spare, because you don't need the central mount

but even with the pavise and a points reduction over the Araknae-accelerator I don't think it's particularly worth it, you'd need a special army list entry with Firing Protocols (2) or better as the Orias is a pretty terrible missile in isolation, pretty much the only use case for the Araknae-Orias in HH3 would be anti-Militia since you can already get 4x Orias for cheaper than the base Araknae

it makes sense for LI where you can afford to have lots of cheap, ineffective units because everything still runs on the D6 but is nowhere near as durable as full size and you can easily build big batteries of artillery

the flamestorm tank is probably never going to be worth it full size either, 10" move and no old-style Torrent (X) for a weapon that you have to at least pivot to fire effectively, it'd get swamped and torn apart long before it hit anything useful, Warhounds can take the downgrade between editions because Titans are a lot scarier and harder to kill and buy BS as an upgrade now but that tank would be a mobile cover brick and not much else

>>96953286
paragon blade + volkite serpenta or combi-melta

there's a jump pack version in Legacies

there's no point to a second ccw this edition so there's no option, since the paragon blade is 1/6 to auto-wound AP2 vs any target anyway there wouldn't be much point even if you could

>>96953302
But I think it looks cool.

>>96953351
model a paragon blade how you want, just don't expect to use power fist rules for it

if you assemble cataphractii with the shoulderpads lower than the torso, or without the inner shoulderpads, or the shoulderpads not flush with the torso, or any combination of those three, you should be shot

For some time now I wanted to buy a leviathan, but the kit is super expensive , on top of not being that good in game. I still like the esthehic though. Two weeks ago My sister has been buying stuff on TEMU and needed 5$ to get some sort of a bonus for her order, and bought one for me. I was expecting to get trash. It arrived this weekend. I expected at best some training to paint dreadnoughts material and worse basing material. First thing my dumb ass did was, of course, to drop the left arm and broke off both barrels. I glued it up, "painted" it and now I wonder why does it cost 5$ and GW one costs 68$. Is it the plastic being so much more expensive, because it is more resilient? Worse part is that now I am thinking how much money I would have saved, if I bought few or even no GW models, but just stuff from TEMU.

>>96953437
because you bought a recast

and the box the model comes in costs more to GW than the plastic inside

>>96952247
This game needs something to avoid parking lots

>>96953512
that is crazy. The box costs more. I mind blown. I worry that if the plastic printers ever get popular for home use, a lot of people will just stop buying GW stuff.

>>96953529
All I want from GW in 3.0 is to make an army constiting of 6 predators 2-4 vindicators and 1-3 kratos/siccarians and 0-1 super heavy to be legal and fun to play. With only infantry being techmarines and forge masters running between vehicles in a command rhino.

>>96953512
I know that this is local meta specific, but online is the community in favour of people getting resin parts from other producers then GW, or is it more like the how some anons here responded to the tortuge minis? Or maybe it is more crazy like anon from China only accept China made stuff, while not accepting Russian or Ukrainian ones etc.

>>96953561
>legal
That is currently legal
>fun to play
Literally impossible unless you make vehicles 10th edition big infantry that can shoot out their ass and everything can wound everything, it's not possible for vehicles skew lists to be viable without it just becoming a coin flip "everyone brings ass loads of anti tank and blows you up turn one or loses in list building"

>>96952956
tortuga sells arms and pads too, I got loads of them

>>96952610
They're fine, they perform like cataphractii but slightly worse because of the 5+ invulnerable. But cheaper point cost, so still worth.

>>96953561
Go play ligma if you wanna be a dirty tank spammer you sub-human filth.
All it takes for that list to be viable is some mechanised infantry (tactical squads in rhinos) like a proper army would have, but if that's too much for you then you honestly deserve to get hit by a bus.

>>96952857
A bit thin, with small waists and heads... terrible combat fists. I've never liked cataphractii. Now they don't look as imposing as terminators, just another basic power armour.

>>96953654
Well I don't play that much, played 7 game for 3 years of 2ed. But you are right I do love my tanks. There is just something about tank companies (not mechanized infantry) that I love. I blame my grandfather. He has been in the army from 1943 till 1979, and when I was kid he would take me to his company, when he had lecturs and later when he was mobilised 81-85, he would take me in to tanks and APC, we would drive in them. I miss my grandpa. He was such a chad. diabetes? yes, still would down a bottle of vodka at 3 in the morning watching movies on VCR (owning a VCR was illegal here in the 80s), and we would watch everything Barbarella , old westerns, SciFi movies and war movies. So many war movies.
And strong like a bull till the last year of his life.

You made me think about life. I think I will buy a Kratos and build one. And name him "Red Head 102".

>>96953694
Maybe we could put the old cataphract fists/claws/chainfists on the models? but you are right they are not just small, they like ugly. and not cool ugly , like SOME nurgle stuff, just plain pumba gore ugly ugly.

Is a Boarding shield too heavy to be lugged around by a jump pack-equipped Assault squad?

>>96953840
I think that unless you have a golden age era grav pack, a large shield messes too much with the jump paterns , especialy the landings.

>>96952857
2 kits with different weapons seems deranged and wasteful. It should be an upgrade kit arrangement.

>>96952331
are lightning claws in a challenge really that good?

I would've thought finishing blow would've been better as he's getting 5 attacks already

Are these small rectangular cases next to the holstered pistol supposed to be anything in particular?

>>96953547
>>96953512
It unironically sounds like you're an alien who has just discovered the existence of commerce. And the answer is no, counterfeiting causes margin erosion, but it doesn't replace the authentic article.

I own this guy

I'm gonna customize him, take off his cape, swap his sword out for a hammer, swap his volkite charger for a combi-bolter, cut the magazines out and then add belt feeds into it from an ammo pack on the back (bought an illastus assault cannon kit to do this as it has the ammo pack and belt feeds

I think its gonna be AWESOME
might give him just the one belt feed and a combi-melta or something so I dont have to model 2 seperate beltfeeds though

>suits push for thin catas because if someone wants bulky terminators they should just buy saturnines and pump their sales numbers
this is what happened, isn't it?

>>96953934
Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
And GW has A LOT of incompetence to go around.

>>96952857
The longer I look the worse they get. Art deco trashcan torsos, weedly fists, skinny waists. Not good.

>>96952213
buy an ad faggot jesus christ

>>96952213
He's self parody at this point.

>check reddit
>they mostly dislike nucatas too
honestly surprised
thought they would happily eat it up

>>96954118
You're laughing. A handsome, middle-aged gent is pumping fat loads into a fertile ginger womb and you're laughing.

>>96954118
There's people who enjoy being a cuck too. Everybody is wrong from time to time.

>>96953561
the cheapest super-heavy points is 400 for the cerberus or typhon so your bottom limit is 1600 points

cheapest forge lord is 110 points, damocles is 120 points, you'll need 1 per additional Detachment and at least 1 Detachment for the Armoured Fist (4x Armour slots) and 1 Detachment for the Techmarine Covenant (6x Techmarine-locked Support slots), if you want more than 3 additional Detachments you'll need to get another Command slot from somewhere and fill it, you have 3x Prime Advantages between Primary (1x Command, 1xTroops) and Techmarine Covenant that you can use to select Logistical Benefit up to 2x (1 per Detachment)

techmarines start at 50 points

LoW are only unlocked by a High Command choice so you also need a Praetor (starts at 120 points)

minimum you've spent 780 points of 1600 to get this far

vindicators start at 140, sicarans start at 160, kratos start at 280, you can afford 1 of each plus 3 techmarines and some upgrades before you hit 1600

all your dudes have small arms or pistols at best, all your tanks except the big boy are extremely vulnerable to statuses and have limited shooting, you have no Line so you're not only not going to kill enough enemy models to wipe the other guy, you're not going to cap points either and a single assault squad can make your life an absolute misery by executing your fixers and joining whoever's fucking over your tanks for the kill

enjoy

>>96954143
you think about other guys cumming a lot, huh

>>96954176
I do, in fact it's part of my profession!

>>96952857
They look like a troonscaler conversion

>>96952857
if you told me those are new Tartaros I would believe it
that's how bad it is

>>96952857
I've seen people make tr00nscale conversions for power armour marines that looked more like cataphractii than this.

>>96952480

It's the shoulderpads that are doing a LOT of the damage, maybe a straight up swap with 3d printed parts using the old, non-retarded design will help?

I swear it's like they took the old design, went to enlarge it, but forgot to hold down the shift key in Adobe and only stretched it up by mistake instead.
This fucking abomination has all the hallmarks of someone doing something dumb and management doubling down because they're retards. It's classic bobblehead Nagash all over again.

>>96953423
One hundred percent true, on all accounts. People who leave off the pads are impatient children, then there are those who fail to stack the top pad on correctly.

>>96953886
Weight of dice and rending are a powerful combination.

>>96952331
>max size full troop slots
That isn't a great army either. Tacticals die to literally everything and will start running regardless of how large the unit is.
You need a good mix of units this edition, only need one or two small elite squads to deal with troops as those can do nothing back. There's also plenty of ranged units that barely cost more than a barebones tactical squad that will kill MEQ units effortlessly.

>>96954323
I'm pretty sure you can just cut the pads down to size. Maybe figure a jig to keep it consistent.

>>96954463

He could go massed Boarders instead. 5++ with either Grav or Lascutters is pretty good.

>>96954500

Can attest that Blackshield breachers are goddamn mean. The ones I saw were Clones + Weapons of Desperation, so they had 5++ 5+++ plus a lot of dakka because breachers have both a bolter and a bolt pistol to replace, so they were stubbers or dual autoguns. They can't react off objectives to deny Vanguard, but they are sufficiently tanky that the enemy Dark Angels didn't manage to take advantage of that.

>>96952297
>>96952222
>traitor assault force defeated by some hallways and a door

>>96953886
>are lightning claws in a challenge really that good?
If you get lucky. Also vs t6 the rending is nice I guess, more chances for autowounds > wounding on 5s even with finishing blow (mind you youre fishing for 6s at that point anyways)

>>96954748
Happened to Khârn in a boarding actions mission in 40k. He charged straight into an airlock and was sealed in. The mission was about his buddies trying to save his ass while the Imperials were trying to vent him. Hilarious, frankly.

>>96952857
Makes me happy for having 3 Betrayal at Calth boxes waiting to be opened.

>>96954748
>Warmaster, the mortals have replaced their deck plating with flimsy wooden scaffolding, we cannot advance!

>>96954817
Tbh you could probably defeat terminators with some stairs. No way they could walk up anything but a specially designed staircase.

>>96954825
ladders

>>96954936
You think terminators can climb ladders?

>>96954940
No I mean ladders can defeat terminators for sure and also power armor, all you need are some weak bolts holding it in place.

>>96952185 (OP)
I have collected with you guys for a lot of years, but will be taking my time to OSR and the osrg. It's just a better system. Thanks for the good times, but I hope to see you in the thread .

>>96954940
Even titans can climb ladders.

>>96954173
Thanks. Do you guys think that adding the cost of a centurion/pretor to a Tank to make him your Warlord/HQ would be okey. Of course not doing challanges with a paragon blade while rocking the AV stat of a land raider or Kratos. But just a tank with a higher BS, and opening High Command/2 detachment slots? Or would that be too over powered? Maybe if they were limited to 0-1 per army or have a unique trait.

>>96954953
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>96955040
Anon, that anon was nice, wish us the best and you act rude. why are you so angry and emotional like a woman?
>>96954953
Congratulations on your new hobby future fellow anon. May you have good times with this OSR and see you in the future. Who knows maybe 4th ed will bring you back.

>>96952827
I know how I would paint him
>helmet is of a newer/different/chaotic style and in WB colors instead of UM censure colors
>replace gold trim with WB silver/steel
>maybe black out the pad that would have the UM symbol and replace it with just XIII, ot put a little traitor eye in the U
As for unit, maybe a librarian, siege breaker, herald, or primus medicae?

You get to create your own Knight Errant that’ll feature in the GW release of their rules. Who is he, what Legion was he from, and what is his specialty?

>>96955061
Considering the general tone of discussions in here I thought I'd give him a proper send-off.

>>96954953
You picked the worst time to start browsing /osrg/ as it's a 99% a meta-shitposting singularity.
That also doesn't make sense at all, considering one's a wargame and the other is a fantastic medieval adventure game.

>>96955153
Anon, just because others act uncivilised , does it mean that everyone should act like that too. May the anon be merry on his way to a new form of hobby. Who knows maybe one day he will come back, or maybe you or I will leave too. Anyway I am off to painting my White Paladins inspired Death Guard shattered legion. May you too find happiness in the hobby today.

So based on observations Custodian Guards will no longer be in squads of 5 but will unfortunately be in squads of 3, sold in boxes of six most likely with two of the six being "female" . They will be monopose with only the guardian spear. Other weapons like the sword and shield and melta spear will most likely be an upgrade sprue like marine weapons.

Tanks, dreadnought, and flying bois will be in plastic.

SoS probably got forgotten and no new stuff or will also get the monopose treatment with only swords in the box with bolters, flamers, and pistols being an upgrade sprue because GW wants more money for their cheap plastic.

>>96955229
3-6. and every 3ed model, and 66% of all oficers are going to be female. Now I know how alergic people around here react to Valrak, but he is accurate more often then not. And when he is accurate he is REALLY accurate.

>>96955219
Kill yourself.

>>96955229
the melta spears are already upgrades you buy seperately.

>>96955229

Squads of 3 seems eminently sensible, since that gives them a Troops choice that's around 150pts rather than 250. They're still low on model count, but at least they can be in a reasonable number of places on the board at once.

>>96952857
I think they look alright, but I will need to have them in my hand to be sure.
Also the volkite guns might work on breachers

>>96953889
all i've gleaned on them is that they're rigid hard cases as opposed to explicit pouches

Line 1 > Vanguard 4, yeah?

>>96955744
Dunno, depends on the armies, the mission, the terrain, objective placement, and the generalship of both players.

Are there any 3000+ black shields armies out there with picture evidence of them existing?

>>96955775
I know there's an anon here who has a blackshields army painted as dusk raiders

>>96955744
No, because the odds of a unit sitting on an objective for four turns are lower than the odds of you managing to score vanguard once. Also no because your line(2) units exist and are going to do better anyways.

>>96955436
I know I'm just saying for the upgrade sprue it will probably be melta, sword and shield, adrasite spears, and maybe sag bolters

which legion is the most hyperborean coded?

>>96952699
Well, I'm quite happy with it. I have most of the models in resin, except Domitars (don't like the design) and a new list to ally with is fine for me. The Skitarii Pilgryms are okay, I may cut their legs a bit but I'll see.

Curious to see what's in the Skitarii list. I mean a generic leader, those Pilgryms, Triaros and Vultarax aren't exactly enough for an own list or something you want to ally with over 50% in a Taghmata.

>>96952712
>>96952719
Uh... no. No. May find a place in Necromunda, where the 40k DaVinci Soviet helicopter, the Lilienthal guys, the Wild West mecha dog-riders and the stilts dude should have been in the first place.

>>96955797
Itsa me

>>96954184
how are the benefits at the dick sucking factory?

>>96952222
Un
> Clap clap
Painted
> Clap clap
Trash

>>96952857
I meantain:
>Pauldrons protude too much
>Waist is too noticeable
Reduce both and...well it's still there, but not as much. Some anons said the fist was too small so I embiggened it as well :^)

>>96952253
>>96952247
>>96952239
>>96952238
EXTREMELY BASED

>>96955824
>>96952699

I like the models, I have no idea why they are their own list. We have enough difficulty wrestling with incompatible faction traits as is, these would have been perfect as [Mechanicum] infantry that go in the normal list and allow Macrotek, Malagra and Myrmidax magi to actually do something with Comptroller rather than being screwed out of scoring for no apparent reason.

>>96955866
GUYS LOOK HE POSTED IT AGAIN

>>96955875
I think the faction specialization is the point. Its what balances out the bullshit some of them can do.

>want to make ZM board
>look into GW options since I got gifted some necromunda stuff a while back
>the floor tiles alone cost $300
>the wall packs are $100 for 5 god damn walls
>it'll cost more than an entire army just for terrain

>>96952213
I do hope that HH doesn't fall into a 3 year cycle like 40k

>>96955893

"Fuck you, you're not allowed to have scoring" is just an incredibly obnoxious way to do that, though, and Malagra/Myrmidax are some of the weaker ways to go right now, so that part isn't balancing shit compared to the much more sensible segregation of what gets what buffs and goes in what apex detachments. There should absolutely be at least one unit those three can score with, and cheap, squishy infantry choices are probably the best candidate for it.

If those three had a scoring option, Magi could have 10" jump packs so Reductor didn't have to gimp their units to score and the Macrocarid could actually carry non-Macrotek units I'd be very happy with the Mech faction split, but it's a bit restrictive right now.

>>96955800
>the odds of a unit sitting on an objective for four turns
...doesn't Line 1 grant +1VP on the vaule of an objective, instead of setting the VP gain to 1 as you say?
That is, a Line 1 would gain 1+1 VP from an objective worth 1 VP, and 2+1 from an objective worth 2 VP.
That way, a Line 1 would need 2 turns on an objective worth 1 vp, not 4 turns. And on an objective worth 2 vp, by the second turn it would have generated 6 vp.
Meanwhile, Vanguard is required to make the scoring unit fall back or die on the point, right?

>>96955871
I like that better

>>96955902
3d print is the answer

>>96955948
On an objective worth 1VP a line 1 unit scores 2VP per turn. To get 4 VP worth of value out of its line(1) it would need to sit there for four turns.

On an objective worth 1VP a vanguard(4) unit scores 1VP (the max you can with vanguard), and would need to trigger its vanguard once to get +4VP out of its special rule.

>>96955902
Fortunately I made decisions in 1.0 and bought a lot of dungeons & lasers tiles, which were not enough to make a ZM board, but are enough to make walls with the approximate shapes and layouts of FW ZMs

>>96955902
Yeah I love GWs terrain but I struggle to to build an army at a not completely ass rapey price, no wonder I have never seen anyone buy terrain from them except for the LSG itself and that's because they can get it for cost.

>>96955871
The torso also needs to be more barrel shaped, it tapers towards the waist way too harshly. Almost makes them look like they're wearing a fucking corset Wait, does this mean femarines are slowly being made canon?

>>96955961
the only local fdm printer refuses to print zm tiles bc it says it takes too long and it's not worth it to him
I don't want to get it shipped bc that shit will absolutely get crushed

>>96955871
better but still not bulky enough in my opinion

>find Z's old email address in my inbox
well ig it's time to see if he's still using that one

>>96955141
Bump?

>>96953889
Good question what an odd bit

>>96952827
Moritat seems like the obvious choice. Little freaky edgelord school shooter fuckers don't care who they're killing.

>>96952827
Librarian?

>>96953889
looks like a fancy hardcase with a digital lock. probably like a cleaning kit or documents or something.

>>96953825
Sounds like your grandpa was based, the exception that proves the rule that Slavs are all disgusting apes. RIP your grandpa, sorry his grandson sucks

>>96954143
> Tattoos on her arms
Yeah.... Nah....

>>96955116
Ok based. I’ll keep that in mind. Siege breaker/ herald would be cool. Need a sb anyway for phosphex rape

>>96955902
Recasts, especially for the floor sections. Z does the floor tiles in plastic and its a perfect copy of the GW stuff. Its like $6 per tile. Walls cost more of course and are resin so YMMV

>>96952974
>Ukrainians in an apartment somewhere
With way the damn russians keep targeting apartments I have this slinking feeling that one of these week the site will go silent and we will all know what happened.

>>96956859
yeah, press ganged and sent to the front

>>96955926
It already has.

>>96956859
>GW paying Putin to take down Tortuga

>>96956894
Whenever I get into anything it turn to shit. Here's hoping no bad new comes to Titanicus

>>96956888
Z man did say to the last Ukranian

>>96956929
>Here's hoping no bad new comes to Titanicus
Don't even say that out loud

Any legion unique units with a champion sergeant? Besides Templars.
I'm debating between Lerneans or Justaerin, and it's ike picking between apples and oranges: they are for different things...but one is clearly superior, and that's oranges.

>>96957590

Phraetus, and he's a pretty good champion at that. He'll take most Centurions.

>>96957590
>one is clearly superior
16 Lernean hammers strike a contemptor harder than 20 Justaerin hammer attacks, so don't be so sure

>>96957613
Speaking of the Phraetus Anointed, is there much of a point of giving him a fist + axe, now that there isn't a benefit to running multiple different melee weapons? I modeled mine with both purely for the aesthetic, but it doesn't seem optimal when I'm leaving shooting on the table.

>>96952185 (OP)
>>96952185 (OP)
How do I houserule Vulkan? He kinda ruined my Dropsite Massacre event after killing pretty much every Traitor Primarch (including Horus) without taking a scratch.

>>96957923

Dual fists more or less dominates the available melee options, since you're not getting Reaping Blow on 3+ model bulky 4 units that often.
I like axe on a 2-model sat command squad, where attaching a power armour guy gets you to total size 9 and two huge dudes with axes flanking your commander looks sweet, but the Phraetus don't really care for it statwise.

>>96957923
I gave my disciple a disintegrator and a random anointed got the axe

>>96957977
>They didn't use titan levels of firepower to nuke Vulkan from a safe distance like what happened in the lore

Only got yourself to blame.

>>96958067
My bad... got the impression Pert had just dont that for style points when every other fight between Vulkan and another primarch played out as 'Vulkan gets killed a dozen times until an X machina intervenes on his behalf.'

The more I think about it the more I'm confused as to why perturabo is the one who ended up with forgebreaker. Like it's been that way since before the black books, but perturabo didn't even do anything to kill ferrus or even focus other the iron hands, his thing was taking out the salamanders. If you need to give someone a hammer to ruin and don't want to give Fulgrim his rightly earned trophy out of contradicting his swift combat style or something, Eidolon is right there, or you could even have Vulkan be the one to retrieve it and swear vengeance against the traitors in Ferrus's name. It just seems silly to end up with perturabo who didn't earn it and proceeded to make it worse for autistic reasons.

>>96958142
That was after the nuking on Isstvan, being stripped of his armour and hammer, the endless torture and mindbreak at the hands of Curze, doing an orbital re-entry whilst in the nude, getting abused by Curze some more, getting killed for real by a magical McGuffin, getting resurrected on Nocture, traitor primarchs levelling up to daemon primarchs...

>>96958318
Astartes don't deserve to wield primarch weapons. Perturabo was the only traitor primarch who appreciates a hammer for a weapon.

Khârn is the exception, because he recovered a weapon his primarch had discarded looting weapons was something the WE didn't like and stole shit from a museum to get it repaired.

>>96957977
Why are they so bald?

>>96958111
>Fire good
>But not chemical fire
>Nor atomic fire
Vulkan was kinda racist when it came to his fire huh.

>>96958370
>Astartes don't deserve to wield primarch weapons.
This was at the same time Lucius was gifted Fulgrim's prize sword.

>>96958318
It was done purely to stroke Perturabo's ego.

>>96958318
>Eidolon is right there
Neither Fulgrim nor Horus were especially fond of Eidolon, especially not after Isstvan III.

>>96958471
>Laer blade now empty and no longer a daemon weapon
Even more of a broken, discarded weapon than Gorechild was.

>>96958510
The daemon noted to itself that the sword still had some juice in it.

>>96958536
>Slaanesh daemon
>commenting on the viability of a sword
Just another variation of "Anything is a dildo if you're brave enough"

>>96958450
Baldarians

>>96958536
>juice

eww

>>96958318
I'm still upset that Forgebreaker Desecrated is just the same hammer and not visibly changed by Perturabo into a big spanner.

>>96952185 (OP)
Wtf is the guy in the missile turret gonna do? Shoot down a plane or two and just sit there after? Hotbox the ball and play some pokemon?

>>96958318
That's a rather stupid question on so many levels.
- Perturabo joining Horus brings him 50,000+ supersoldiers, 1,000+ tanks, all his allies such as forgeworlds/titans and a full legion spacefleet and himself, the best logistician in the entire imperium and a top 3 best war-commander which carries the whole war. You want to give EIDOLON the priceless hammer of a primarch for... literally giving Horus nothing. Not even 1 basic space marine , as Eidolon is already Horus servant because Fulgrim is his owner.
- Forgebreaker is a primarch-sized two-handed hammer. Only a primarch would even be able to swing it fast enough for it to do anything as a weapon. Eidolon would barely be able to lift a 2h primarch hammer (Forgebreaker, Worldbreaker or Vulkan's hammer) and certainly not use it as a weapon.

Kharn only wields a primarch's one-handed small side axe (Gorefather is twice as big and heavy as Gorechild) - so it's like taking a samurai's tanto dagger, for Angron it was a small trifle for Kharn it's a large weapon. And Kharn has super-khorne-champion strength to punch over battletanks.

The traitors aren't going to "lose" Ferrus giant hammer after beheading him. Vulkan (who was nuked out of existence) couldn't sneak up and take it from Fulgrim/Horus even if he'd lived. There were hundreds of eyes on it every second.

>>96956626
is he still on his n******* email address?

>>96959152
>the primarchs were 11 billion feet tall and regular guys couldn't even use their weapons despite them having le boltguns in canon and other stupid shit just ignore that because this dood is a skyscraper zomggzgz
gay

>>96959166
Having Primarchs be ogryn sized and its consequences have been a disaster for the autistic communities.
I like to think Primarchs were "taller than marines", but not twice as much. Like, Alexis Polux was above average and Guilliman noticed he was almost at his own eye level. Doesn't mean Polux was twice as big as a marine.
Had it been Alpharius, Polux and him would've been the same size and be able to pass for one another...which is what he did with Pech, Ranko and many others.
I much prefer that version as opposed to "ACTUALLY IT'S A PSYCHIC POWER".

>>96959329
I love how primarchs are all fucking goliaths but Magnus is the only one called a "giant" because he's a little taller than the rest. Or the fact that primarchs like Alpharius is suppose to be able to just blend into the ranks of normal Marines.

>>96959065
>Shoot down a plane
It's anti infantry missiles, but only naked infantry.

And the ball provided shield to surround troops.

>>96959522
>shielding troops with big balls
Gay

>>96959558
Everyone knows the shields are stored in the balls.

>>96959563
Kek

>>96955229
Source: I feel it

>>96959401
magnus can shapeshift into a titan sized dude. no there has never been rules for this.

>>96959335
Brutal, this is like a black guy getting arrested for wearing a hoody and loose jeans. You got soi-profiled.

>>96959580
If primarchs ever get rules for LIgma, I'm gonna just use his 30k model.

Thoughts on this Zone Mortalis 3.0 list?

1480/1500 ZM
=Primary Detachment (Alpha Legion) 655
P]-Cataphractii Champion, paragon blade, combi-volkite 145
--->Rewards of Treachery
-Champion, volkite serpenta 105
P]- “Indigo” Tactical Squad 100
--->Combat Veterans
-“Blue” Tactical Squad 100
RoT]- 10-man Jorlund Hunters, hunt-master frost axe, flamer, volkite serpenta 205

=Veteran Cadre Auxiliary Detachment (Alpha Legion) [from Cata Champion] 285
-Lernean Terminators, 5 lightning claws, heavy flamer 285

=Allied Detachment (Word Bearers) 540
P]- Cataphractii Diabolist, force axe, combi-grenade 145
--->Logistical Benefit
LB]- Phraetus conclave, 3 twin heavy disintegrators, 4 particle shredders, anointed war axe 395

>kitbashing some cataphractio with gorgons to make morlocks
>its from an old bunch of cataprachtiis I had lying around
>oh ok I need to cut out the neck bit of the torson to fit the gorgon heads
>somewhat achieve it, damage the ring surrounding the headspace as i go
>shit
>gorgon head doesnt fit
>double shit
>alright i'll just use the plastic cataphractii heads then
>fill the space back in with milliput
>looks shit
>fuck
>so now I've got a bunch of gorgon parts i'm not gonna use, a damaged cataphractii thats triggering the 'tism and i'm also mad about the ordeal

fuck this i'm going to sleep and ordering spare cataphractii parts off of ebay or whatever

>>96952956

Very nice

>>96959152

I would imagine that even if you assume Primarchs are that huge there are plenty of other entities that could swing one around. Dreadnoughts, obviously, and the more martially inclined Mechanicus magi. Giving it to Perty makes sense to me, but so would presenting it to the lord of a major Forge World or something to seal an alliance.

>>96959667
Good job, Anon!

>>96959771
I got lucky, my bitzbox had a full spare cataphractii torso on sprue

>>96959779
and heres the lad I was building

>>96957977
The problem with Vulkan is the moron gave him 13/10 offense and 13/10 defense at the same time and 10/10 initiative and 100% perfect reliability impossible to outplay by smart gambit choices, all simultaneously for super low points cost.

Literally all it takes to entirely fix Vulkan is the hammer nerfed to Dmg2 Crit6+ instead of Dmg3 Crit5+ (same stats like Mortarion's scythe). Both would then be 10/10 defensively (both EW3), with Vulkan having healing and Morty with resilience for crittable on 6+ only and not needing to use a gambit for his defenses (Morty can Finish/Seize instead.) Vulkan would be the slightly better dualist than Morty (since Morty's scythe isnt a dueling weapon and Vulkan's heal is superior) - but Morty gets Phosphex AOE shots to panic3 units, and Fear1 to make it more likely, and 9 attacks to shred units harder than vulkan outside a duel. (Vulkan's panic2 flamer is still good utility compared to say Rogal Dorn's gun)

It'd fit the model better too. FW vulkan is just the teeny 1h hammer, not the huge 2h hammer from his book cover. If they wanted to make 2h hammer vulkan, they could give him the Dmg3 Crit5+, like +100 pts cost, drop him to EW2 and initiative 3 because he's swinging heavy hammer leaving openings.

>>96959401
primarchs are literally daemon princes of chaos, they're all inherently made of magic instead of meat. Alpharius chaos power is to be able to project an aura of manletude which helps him blend in with alpha legion troopers (and he purposefully promotes extra tall troopers for alpha legion use to make it easier to blend in with them)

>>96959859
I reject that fake and gay slop.

>>96957590
>Lerneans or Justaerin
Lerneans are better. Source: cool minis. Justaerin are basic. Might as well put mkiv heads on regular Cataphractii. Couple of spikes here and there, Legion Shoulders, done.

>>96959922
>falling for the lies and propaganda
There's literallly no such thing as "the energy of the uncorrupted warp" - the warp is literally liquid chaos - and every shaman casting spells is just using the power of chaos 100% of the time.

The only difference is if they lightly sip with a very small spell, they might escape the notice of the large malign intelligences they are siphoning power from.

Hence why space marine librarians of loyalist chapters still must roll a Perils of using Chaos Magic dice set every single time they cast any "holy" magic, even a daemon-banishing anathame emperor psychic power.

>>96959859
Booo. Alpharius' power is being one soul in two bodies already. You don't need to waste magic to make your dudes be taller, just ask that Prussian kaiser

>>96959922
god the retcon where its some dumb lady teleporting the baby primarchs away was so fucking baaaaaad

Titanicus to 40k era this decade?

>>96959957
>falling for Chaos lies and propaganda
The Dark "Gods" are just big daemons created by sentient life and pretending to be more than they are, mere emotional vampires. They're no more gods than the C'tan are and trusting them to do anything other than further their own interests is foolish. There's no truth in Chaos, only torment and despair.

>>96957590
Lernaeans are better than Justaerin until vanguard rules get changed. Line > vanguard. Conversion beam cannon > worthless SoH guns. Alpha "fail your charges" passive wins more games than SoH "fail my charges because I volley fired" trait. Justaerin have no sarge, while Lernaean sarge can be primed to WS6 with 5 thunderhammer attacks with Hatred for smashing dreadnoughts or TEQs equally well. and Lernaean unit starts 25 points cheaper and 5 less per model.

Any unit so strong that Lernaeans dont instantly beat it is so strong that Justaerin lose to it as well, it's just Lernaeans also have useful shooting and Line so they can score objectives without vanguard's penalty.

And if it comes down to a 1000 point justaerin deathstar or a 1000 point lernaean deathstar, it's not a simple thing in justaerin favor. They have a hell of a time getting a charge against alpha legion with the slowest troops in game, so just bring Kratos and pop the justaerin transport and the Lerns can just snipe them with AP2 conversion blasts. If you must buy a +400 pt Spartan or +235 Kharibdyss to get use from the justaerin they'll probably take that one target down on turn 2 or turn 3, but have like 800+ points not accomplishing anything turn 1/3/4.

Overall - Lernaean are more valuable I'd pick them on my team before I'd pick justaerin. Any mega-deathstar where justaerin shine is really just gonna be carried by the Primarch (so Ascended Horus or Vulkan) and it's not justaerin that matter.

>>96960033
I thought Ctaan were merely "gaseous vertebrates" like Photino Birds, who would simply eat stellar energy and not interact with most matter in the galaxy...
...but then necrons killed one, and it altered reality in some way that can no longer be measured because the change is already done. I hope this is just propaganda, I like Photino Bird energy vampires better

>>96960033
nothing I said is anything but 100% pure truth. The warp itself IS liquid chaos.
That's why Necrons anti-chaos towers don't "clean the warp" (impossible) - they remove the warp entirely like nulls. That's because there's literally no such thing as "uncorrupted warp"

>>96952857
They were certainly the highlight of the reveal. I like near everything about them better, with the notable exception being the power firsts. Hammers are way cooler anyways but its still to bad, they just look stubby. The plastic minis for betrayal of calth sucked ass compared to their resin originals (the mkIII were ok but still worse). Details were cut and simplified, and the poses were awful and stiff. The design language of these new ones lands perfectly with the new mkVI and mkIIs.

>>96960049
Necron tech just blocks the Warp from real space. As for the rest, I urge you to step out of the globohomo goyslop light, it's not good for you.

>>96960043
>Conversion beam cannon > worthless SoH guns.
Conversion beams are useless at short range, which is the range of 80% of the rest of the squad. I actually liked their access to volkite culverins more. It kept everything thematic.
>Justaerin have no sarge, while Lernaean sarge can be primed to WS6 with 5 thunderhammer attacks with Hatred for smashing dreadnoughts or TEQs equally well.
Outside of big targets like Dreads, does it ever affect other things? I'd like to think it also matters against vehicles and soon Saturnines?
>and Lernaean unit starts 25 points cheaper and 5 less per model.
Lerneans are 25 pts more expensive if you equal their banestrike combi-bolters. Which is BULLSHIT because upgrading a bolter to a banestrike bolter is 5 pts, so upgrading a combi-bolter to a banestrike combi-bolter should also be 5 pts.
They fucking did Weapon charts all wrong!

>>96952961

A warning though, tortuga terminators are all primaris scale for 40k; they are comically large compared to the rest of the hh marine lineup.

>>96960078
poor retarded zoomer weebs never got taught how to read.
You're not providing a single piece of evidence. I was the one who told you that Necron towers block out the warp (the realm of liquid chaos power.) They are only able to block it, as there's no such thing as uncorrupting the warp. That was merely a lie the fagperor invented because he's a chaos sorcerer but he wanted to pretend to be a noble clean hero. (The exact same liar who literally lied to his primarchs saying "Daemons and spirits are not real, religion is not real, only science is real" - and you ALREADY know he lied yet are retarded enough to still have fallen for his first propaganda)

>>96960092
That guy's gonna sprain his wrist

>>96960115
Apology accepted.

>>96960107
Oh hey look they are Primarch size xdd

>>96960129
Yeah I was thinking the culverin could've been modified to fit better. Move the handle more towards the middle

>that new battleforce or whatever the fuck it’s called
I don’t fucking want dreadnoughts gw. Give me anything else. I’ll even take the shitty drop pods.
Also saturine with jet packs when?

>>96960092
Unlike 40k you're allowed to shoot a unit 40" away off and charge a unit 5" on the same turn. Beamers automatically shit on SoH shooting at 30-45" (naturally, as banestrike cant even shoot beyond 18" which is where enemy will park Rapiers and vulnerable units) which is incredibly easy to find and they still shit over AP4 banestrikes with AP3 AOE on the 15-29" band.

If 8/10 alphas dont shoot, the alphas still deal as much damage as the 40 banestrike shots if the templates hit a total of 7 termies (3 for one, 4 for other template) - except safely from 30-45" without a 400 point spartan needed.

Then if you're shooting power armor, the beamer has no weakness for the entire 15-45" band (half the board)

The problem with Justin shooting is you kill stuff at 12-15" (yay all our guns are short) then fail the charge as the enemy pulls casualties from the justin side of the unit. You're paying 500 points for the squad, it's not enough to kill 120 points of terminators and fail your charge and not score vanguard.

For other q, Hatred helps with the Power Axes and Lightning Claws against basic marines or terminators. A Justaerin wounds other terminators on 4+ with power axes while the Lerns wound them on 3+. If claws, the justins extra attacks are lessened by needing 5s to wound.
Ends up 7.2 wounds 10 claw justins put on Cats, while 10 claw Lerns would be 6.5 wounds thanks to hatred. Difference is 10 claw justin are 625 instead of 575, so you can afford a whole 11th lernaean which makes it 7.2 lernaean vs 7.2 justin. Prime champ TH sarge puts lern in lead.

other downside justin has no sarge to block challenge. SoH character in Justin? Corswain type challenges them and SPLAT! Corswain challenges Dynat? He says "sarge handle this" and Dynat uses 5 TH attacks on squad instead. Corswain becomes a lot less scary when he's penalized for being last man standing and enemy can Grandstand for +2-3 TH atk, or +2-3 initiative to finish wounded man.

>>96960254
it's even worse because not only did they ruin the Leviathan in 3 edition, the specifically ultra-useless one is the Melee Leviathan which is in the battleforce.
The ranged one could at least bring two immobilizing grav pieplates to dump at 18" after walking. The melee one has no utility and just fails to charge anything ever.

>>96958318
The reason is that Forgebreaker was originally Perty's signature possessed warcrime hammer and some retard in Nottingham decided it should be a prop in the homoerotic fratricide of Ferrus and Fulgrim.There is no sensible, well reasoned and fluffy explanation for it beyond needing Perturabo to have Forgebreaker during the Heresy so a dumb retcon looked less like a dumb retcon.

>>96960107
Never skip leg day bros

>>96960403

Do you really want Dynat in that unit anyway? He can't infiltrate them and he's not a particularly notable fighter, I'd say you want him with ten Suzerains hanging out in the midfield and spending all the land raider savings on booze. Becoming increasingly bullish on Suzerains in general, they're very points efficient melee.

I'm still not sure whether I like my 5 man beamer/axe/TH sarge lern squad that just chills on the nearest objective firing beamers across the map all game. A Predator and a tac squad might get me more VPs for cost, but it's definitely fun and it's nice to have the axes there if someone tries to sneak the point.

>>96952222
>Black shields may have flavor, but the game is starting to feel one note
How have blackshields played for you guys? There was so much bitching and moaning about Alone and Forgotten + Blade of the Just when the rules dropped but i feel that gunning down 22 armour 2+ models shouldn't be that dificult.

I have been toying with the idea of a disgrace + nikea army of servants vomiting warpfire everywhere and detonating in challenges.

>>96960107
Yep, I bought some mk4 legs since back then I thought the plastic ones are too small. It turns out tortuga legs are way too big. Same with mk3arines. The crouching one is the same height as the standing gw plastic marine.

The only thing that I find of good scale is the jump packs, but on the other side the quality is pretty bad with really bad casting on the back side of the motors. All in all nice designs but poor quality + oversized + expensive models + shipping + customs makes it a big no no.

I'm a little surprised there wasn't anything like a new Cataphractii Praetor to go with the new wave.

>>96955902
>>96955971
This
I use their rampart line but that one does not have floor tiles like D&L does.
If you can grab one of their gamefound campaigns you will have a table for cheap

>>96960926
there's something fundamentally wrong with using thin walls in ZM
it doesn't hit the same

>>96955902
Old resin ZM door design are better than the plastic one. They "innovated" the new door, make it a side door but still keep the same vertical slide method to physically move it, retarded.

ZM is love, ZM is life

>>96958318
Perty was just taking care of it until he could give it back to the Blood Ravens

>>96960818
just checked index astartes. It confirms Horus gifted Forgebreaker to Perty before the heresy on his mission back to purge his traitor homeworld.
It's rather weird that the article makes it so clear Perty was the best technical and mechanical genius of all primarchs in his origin story (and is trained by all the masters of Mars on weaponry and tech), but then he isn't the one to create his own hammer. Doesn't seem like Horus is capable of making a melee weapon and it doesnt say Ferrus or Fulgrim made it.

>>96960918
they didnt reveal him yet or people would ask why doesn't the new battleforce include the new terminator characters rather than an entirely useless leviathan melee dreadnought. Only once they sell out of battleforces will they sell the new useful terminator characters.

You find some wild stuff online.

>>96952213
That cunt is right though, people are way too retarded and dependent on GW and specifically the GW finance department who obviously don't have the hobbyist interest in mind.
If he makes an alternative ruleset that keeps making sense, combining the best of both worlds, great. If it is a kick-off points for an open source or player alternative rule-set/faction rules it is also a massive win.

What I don't get about the termie reveal is how their recent character designs have all been great, picrel is only 3 years old which is quite recent in the grand scheme of things. All they needed was to update the size and add a little flair.

>>96961542
I am convinced that the same person behind the new MkIII is behind this, and most likely the new MkIV as well. This drive to leave your own "makers mark" on a design by tweaking it slightly, dismissing all preexisting artwork and miniatures in the process. It's frankly bizarre behaviour, and almost feels spiteful from GW.

>>96961609
The design studio works in teams now to ensure no sculptor becomes famous like the Perry twins.

>>96960403
Conversion beam cannons are good and allow the unit to be relevant at range, which can't be said for every terminator squad.
But at close range, 4 Conversion hits are equal to 3 banestrike combi-bolters shooting. And 4 hits is being generous, so try 2 banestrike combis.
Shooting the conversion elsewhere means giving up 2/3 of the firepower against the Termie unit before you.
>Hatred helps axes
Meh. Their Breaching remains 5+, and that's the bit that matters.

I guess the big learning here is...that banestrike combi-bolters are over costed, so they're a trap option? Since they make a unit of them cost more than Justaerin, giving up on their price advantage.

Lerneans are good against big things, far away targets, and can be cheaper than justaerin. Their flexibility means they can do anything, but not *everything* at once.

>>96961756
And someone at mangerial level tell all those teams, "base the new stuff on RT era stuff" . now if you are from UK and like RT stuff, then it is great, if not then you get to new cataphracts and are sad.

>>96961542
>Character's pauldrons don't protude like a T, dude has no waist
Weak baka baka

What do you reckon?

>>96961869
subtly antisemitic

>>96961873
In order for it to be that the beak would have to be bend in the middle.

>>96961794
plus line is just a better rule than vanguard, they're counting as 2 models on a point to determine control rather than 1, means they always control objs when facing other terminators

I was looking for a cool looking mask for a character I'm fiddling away at, any suggestions? I don't mean a full helmet, but rather a mask that can be placed/attached on top of a regular marine helmet.

>>96961893
If a unit is locked in combat then it cannot control the objective

>>96961869
Don't post-30k TS have some beakies almost like this

>>96961912
wait really?
still though, they count as 2 models each which is good if not in combat

Built an esoterist for the hell of it, because I had all the parts and didn't have one already.
Do I even want an esoterist any more? Is throwing some daemon brutes at someone remotely worth it? It's like the Overseer, it'd be one thing if they were free slots or something, but spending a detachment and the opportunity cost of a different consul seems... unwise.

>>96961988
Exoterists have Fear 1, that's why I bring one.

>>96955827
Realistically, how well would this detachment fare against our modern combined military force?

>>96961988
seal the veil is a solid power if you're a loyalist

reduced setup move and you charge on the lowest d6 instead of the highest? yes please

>>96962011
Unfortunately, I'm very much playing traitors. That does look quite nice though.

>>96952222
Reaper of lives doesn't seem like a good choice for ZM. I'd go for Loot the Dead and Flesh is Weak simply because you get points from looting doors(they allow aftermath actions, lel)

>>96961609
Well GW literally employs commies so it makes perfect sense when it comes to spite.

>>96962133
What's weird is that all the non-marine models didn't get such drastic redesigns when getting plastic models. Even marine vehicles are almost 1 to 1 with their resin counterparts, it is specifically space marine infantry that gets ruined.

>>96962133
I'll bite, what the heck are you talking about bruz

>>96962190
Sometime ago one of the warhammer community leaders was revealed to be a self-proclaimed communist, he was suspended but I assume he's back to work now.

There's also BL-writers like Mike Brooks.

>>96952747
I never thought i'd be doing the big steppy on mars!

>>96962190
anon >>96962209 is lying
one of the community leaders and mike brooks celebrated charlie kirks death and anon is sperging out about it

now I don't care about kirk, but I also dont like mike brooks, so I hope he got fired or whatever (not gonna happen)

>>96962209
>Warhammer community
So not on the design team, then.

>>96962209
Anon they were majority left/labor even in the 90s. The difference is that in the past they had people who didn't care about politics (only about models/food) or knew how to keep their politics in check, so that the company sells more models . the crew that is on board right now are nothing like either of those. You will want those female custodes or else you are a bigot. etc thankfuly most people in my part of the world stopped to care about the lore around 6-7th ed times. Right now they could drop female marines on me, and I would go "stupid, but meh". all I am interested in is buying stuff and stacking the boxes of stuff I will never paint or play with , which I think is a compensation for not being able to buy stuff in the 90s

>>96962246
The most depressing part of that image is the fact they aren’t “wrong”, it is fun and looks sick most of the time pulling off a good conversion but kitbashing is just super infeasible to do unless you drop wads of cash on kits you don’t even fully end up using
>just buy the bits from a bits seller
Don’t have any in muh country, and fuck paying shipping for a singular bit

Iron Warriors Praetor when
In plastic, please

>>96962209
>Mike Brooks
I think the thing about that guy is that he is the the first 4th generation writer
>generation 1 were influenced by history and bad fantasy novels
>generation 2 were influenced by comic books and punk culture
>generation 3 were influenced by having read previous warhammer books
>generation 4 have read 40k memes and watched discourse videos on youtube

>>96962246
>voltan

Question for those of you who bought the Saturnine box: are the legs behind this metal tabard fully sculpted, or do they have divots/holes so that it sits on top of them? Can I cut it off without issues?

>>96962578
yes

>>96962578
The legs are fully sculpted.

>>96962505
Shipping isn't the issue with bitz sellers, they all offer cheapie shipping in lightly padded envelopes for small orders. The real reason bitz sellers aren't a good answer to the question is they almost never have what you actually want in stock unless it's Generic Undesireable Bit #47 from the most common Primarishart infantry kit.

>>96955902
I did the math a few months ago and a 6x4 of ZM would cost roughly $1,700 burgers

I should have a 1000 point intro game tomorrow I get to finally found out how this game goes. It'll be funny to show up to a match all seriously with like nine guys as my entire army.

>>96959642
>LB]- Phraetus conclave, 3 twin heavy disintegrators, 4 particle shredders, anointed war axe 395
Phraetus are better with twin fists imo.

Theyre not going to be outnumbered enough for the axe to be useful because theyre fat fucks. And the disintigrators are too niche for how much self harm they do, even with the eternal warrior halving it.

>>96959667
It sucks but it happens, sometimes things dont work out.

>>96962133
>>96962209
Whining about commies in 2025 is for dickless faggots. Post models and go read.

Got my first Ligma models today, they look way bettter than people here made them seem

>>96963105
>Sunk cost fallacy

>>96963135
What?

>>96963027
yeah, i'll just have to give a think on how i'm gonna make this squad look "unique" aside from weapons

legion specific shoulderpads as well as the weapons (afterall, gravguns are unique on a terminator) should cover it at least

could throw in some spare lernaen axes that i'll have lying around as the squad has some artificer axes

>>96962578
They are sculpted and show that Mk2 had ball-joints on the hips that don't appear in the tactical squad kit.
Trying to figure out the best way to restore that design feature.

>>96963135
If he just bought into it then it's literally the opposite

>>96963105
The vehicles look nice, but the infantry is dodgy

>>96963165
Whats a good source of power axes?

>>96963234
The Legion Melee Upgrade

>>96963255
Theres only like two in the box isnt there?

>>96963234
>>96963255
>4 axes

What are we all working on anons?
Just working through a centurion to test a death guard method on

I built a little fella

>>96963368
>>96963328
Oppsv

>>96963328
Where's that helmet from?
>hip plates
Foul, perfect

>>96963258
>>96963263
It comes with 4 and they're big

>>96952719
the leopard loincloth is what seals the deal as perfect

>>96963379
Originally its from the 30k deathshroud. In reality its a scan someone made and then I did some digital work to make it a single visor

>>96963396
oh yeah they are

>>96963396
It's a very, very poor source of anything really.
Even chainswords and bolt pistols.

>>96963453
Very neat; do you have a pic of the 3d model? Want to see what changes you did

>>96963478
Not on me I’ll see if I can later. It was literally a case of deepening the bridge between the eye slots to make it a singular slot

>>96963103
>play on tabletop
Actually so ass

>>96963520
No rush man, I'd love to see it

>>96963396
Yea, I actually rather like how they look. But the thought of buying two kits just for power axes seems a bit naff.

Might have to trawl ebay. Or use one of the million one handed carsoran power axes I have. I dont want to do this because im not sure I have enough to outfit a whole squad, and I dont want to have to get more just to have the weapons match.

>>96963103
facists are the whiniest cucks ever; most will never get a single crumb out of it but as long as muh leftists dies it's okay

>>96963570
Mismatching power weapons is kino

>>96963612
It triggers my autism.

>>96960868
>Do you really want Dynat in that unit anyway?
I don't get Dynat. He can infiltrate, but infiltrators can't charge, so that's a turn 2 at best. And getting gunned down turn 1 at worst. Are we to invite a Return Fire on the deathstar unit? One that probably doesn't have that good shooting to begin with.
Plus, his hammer has -1A and his sword doesn't really matter since regular Praetors can get the enemy at i1 anyways?

>>96963617
You level of autism is weak. WEAK

>>96963633
Dynat is for putting a unit of line lerneans onto an objective turn 1, denying your opponent the chance to do the same and scoring you points they might not otherwise get.

Infiltrate is for "preemptive positioning" and area denial, not enabling a decapitation strike.

>>96952222
>Still having a hard time enjoying 3.0
You and me both brother you and me both.

>>96963659
I didnt notice it until now, but thanks, youve upset me.

>>96952857
They are fine, nothing great nothing horrible.
My only nit pick on them is they are a bit long in the torso for my liking.

>>96963673
thanks; i take my job of upsetting armor purists very seriously; i've been posting that specific pages since 2016

Whats a fun (non terminator) unit to add thats not very commonly used? Ideally not a tank either, although I am open to a sicaran.

>>96963633
>Not being able to see the value of infiltrating Dynat and a unit onto on objective, stopping enemy tactical squads from bum rushing onto it
It's kinda busted quite frankly. Can either pick cheap troops to immediately score VP yourself, or a more elite unit like a praetorian command squad so that enemy unit think twice about charging them.
Dynat is also a deceptively good duellist, the bonus hit from his hammer still does 2 damage when he uses flurry of blows to attack with his power sword. Best of both worlds, tons of attacks in addition to a high damage finisher.

>>96960818
Iron Warriors shouldn't have graviton tech; that's been IH's stuff since... 1.0.
This is going to sound weird, but Iron Warriors should've had razor-scourges and chain-hammers, as those were taken from the Black Judges tech that they appropiated for Olympia

>>96963716
Recon, destroyers, seekers?

>>96963757
I already use too many seekers (apparently) so im wanting to cut down. Recons are a thought but I also already have some.

Destroyers do sound cool.

>>96963716
The honourable boxnought. Still rarely see other people use them, despite the durable fire platform they are. One with dual gravis plasma cannon does disgusting damage to all kinds of infantry, it's ridiculous one costs a mere 135 points.

>>96963716
Rapiers are based

>>96963779
I know. I use a lot of them. I have been informed theyre WAAC and as such am looking at alternative units to take instead.

Just accept that Perturabo's genius was a sham. A big fat fraud.

>>96963786
Ffs are they actually. I just liked cool little weapons platforms

>>96963769
>>96963779
NTA but I feel like both dreads and rappers fall into the commonly used category

>>96963791
>NTA but I feel like both dreads
they dont, i have only ever seen dreads run like....twice in 3.0.

>>96963790
frankly? I dont know, and I didnt feel like arguing since "hweeeel actqually its not OP" is not a great look. But I do think just "mathematically" they look very powerful (in basically any configuration)

Bolter rapiers are a dirt cheap way to get suppressive(2) somewhere (and can mow down 4+ save troops quite well)
Phosphex mortars are brutal.
Grav rapiers can mulch power armor and have some nice pinning.
Laser rapiers seem (alongside the laser destroyer vindicators) like the best anti-armor option in terms of pure "will kill Av14" power.

They werent exactly bad in 2e, and now that lascannon HSS are significantly toned down they seem like the best can openeners marines have short of the really big tanks. And even then on a PPM basis I think theyre the highest damage.

>>96963653
>Dynat is for putting a unit of line lerneans onto an objective turn 1
Dynat may not infiltrate Bulky units, anon. Lie to others, not me lmao
>>96963728
>Infiltrate Line
A Rhino can take a tactical squad 12 + 7 + 4 = 23" forwards. An AL Inductii squad may not be fired upon, but they can if Dynat is with them
>Duelling
I think the math said Regular hammer > flurry of blows with 1 bonus hammer attack

>>96963790
>>96963786
No they are not WAAC units, because the thing is they are pretty fucking easy to kill since at the end of the day you are still just shooting marines off of them.

>>96963653
>>96963824
Also IIRC you cant infultrate onto an objective.

>>96963786
Rapiers are absolutely not WAAC, it is so easy to kill them

>>96963832
Not even, rapiers in the new edition have to be removed first. So theyre one D2 weapon from death.

But regardless, I got complaints about them so im wanting to tone them down for now. Likewise with seekers.

>>96963824
>>96963843
You can infiltrate on an objective, you only can't infiltrate near the enemy deployment zone.

Starting the game infiltrated on an objective denies it for the opponent. No amount of rhinos can do that.

>>96963852
seekers i can understand.
A unit that is surprisingly good and not a lot of people run them (mostly because they cost a decent amount to build the unit)
Preator command squad on bikes I have them on sky hunters and honestly they kinda fuck.

>>96963852
>Complaints about seekers (tactical marine tier defensive stats) and rapiers (gun carriers now die first)
Absolute CAACfag behavior. Does everybody in your area just cry and shit themselves every time a unit is slightly inconvenient? Because if so they're a bunch of fucking losers.

>>96963885
People definitely are more casual by the sounds of it (although the fist player had a pretty scary list from what I saw). I would like to consider myself not a particularly competetive player (not because theres something wrong with being one, but I just dont have the will to ruthlessly minmax - or at least thats my self assessment) but my experience with them has been pretty one-sided.

I went 19-2 against a previously undefeated player, and im not very experienced (it was my first game after being an "armchair warlord"). Maybe I just got lucky, maybe the lists werent very compatible, maybe he played poorly or got unlucky. I dont know, but ultimately I think I should try and moderate in the interest of everyone having fun. Find a way to bring something interesting without being as strong and then I can always "tune it back up" if it turns out that actually they can handle it and were just being scaredy cats or whatever.

What could also be the case (and might lean into the "caac" stuff) is that they self-select for a rather "deathstars in land raiders" style of play, and rapiers (and seekers) both kinda counter that sort of thing.

>>96963328
Finished painting the heavy plasma bombards and nipple flamers for the saturnine dreadnought.

>>96963958
>they self-select for a rather "deathstars in land raiders" style of play

Exactly what I expected. Dumb idiots who only know how to move their spartan party bus up the field, and have their terminators deathstar grind against the enemy terminators deathstar. Completely incapable of even slightly adjusting their tactics or play style if a slightly different army shows up.

Do not adjust your army to their demands and complaints. If you do, they'll never learn to use their brains and continue making more and more demands until your list is incapable of winning against theirs. And if they can't even learn how to deal with something as simple as rapiers, frankly they deserve to lose all their games.

Iron Hands or Imperial Fists?

>>96964056
>wanting to play the piss legion

prepping to go to a "narrative" event but I know absolutely nobody is going to build a list for theme or play any other way than they play their pickup games. (event is using core missions + I think some other events' missions but from what I've seen none of them are even themed towards the specific event they're all just generic "some forces meet up and have to stand on objectives" stuff)
Do I bother going for a theme for myself or do I just take a list I would take for PUGs?

>>96964081
Depending on which legion you play you can do both. Like bringing a wall of vindicators as IW or IF, both thematic and strong.

But yeah generally bring your PUG list to HH narrative events, 9 out of 10 people just bring a strong list and don't care about being narrative.

>>96964041
>Dumb idiots who only know how to move their spartan party bus up the field
Thats not fair. There was also a land raider party bus!
This is also perhaps not fair of me to say because I have only played there once, and am basing my assessment of that/what I saw online from them.

>Do not adjust your army to their demands and complaints. If you do, they'll never learn to use their brains and continue making more and more demands until your list is incapable of winning against theirs.
I wont lie, a certain part of me does feel like this, "just take out your best anti-tank options and anti-2+ shooting" from someone with a bunch of land raiders and terminators has that vibe you know?
But I dont think this is the case in reality, the guys there seem very friendly and chill. Just maybe a bit more casual than I am I guess. Or maybe just worse at listbuilding.

>And if they can't even learn how to deal with something as simple as rapiers, frankly they deserve to lose all their games.
Maybe, but I think theres both a moral and pragmatic counterargument:
We didnt play competitively, god knows I dont want to, and in a casual environment "forcing the other guy to git gud" probably isnt an entirely appropriate mindset.
But also: Whats more likely? I "whip them into shape" and make them all git gud, or do they decide in an asshole they would rather not play with because I keep stomping on them and telling them they just suck?

>>96964081
Be the change you want to see.

>>96962800
skill issue desu

>>96963633
>>96963824

You can't infiltrate Lerns since they're Bulky, but there are other good candidates. Suzerains are a big wall of reasonably priced melee deterrent, and you can always move up a shooty squad if you don't have a good melee unit for a conventional beatstick-only Praetor to go in. He's good for keeping your options open, although I think I'd rather have a big obvious melee threat lurking in better cover near the objective rather than spawning a Line squad of some kind on top of it and getting shot to bits most of the time. Maybe a decent use for Breachers.

>>96964237
Veteran tacticals? at 2w each theyre decently beefy for a line unit (enough that small arms fire wont clear them off)

>>96964248

Not a terrible candidate, especially since it's very possible that they spawn in range to do some mean combi-weapon or combi-banestrike Return Fire on whoever tries to clear them.
The Ultras or Fists unique breacher squads are probably the most -points efficient bricks here, Suzerains are not bulky and they're W2 2+ 5++ for about 30ppm, Phalanx Warders are cheaper and come in large numbers, but neither has Line or Vanguard so it's easier to score the point out from under them.

>>96964129
>Be the change you want to see.
okay but what if my idea for a thematic list is stupendously bad (in the context of the mechanics of the edition).
For example, I could run a force themed after Abaddon's failed Saturnine assault.
But that would be AT MINIMUM Abaddon deep striking with Justaerin and then 2 drills with veteran marines or reavers and then the other 1000 points would be kind of against theme and there's a chance of a decent proportion of my army showing up late/never with 4 round games.

Obviously the answer is "bring a more playable theme" but every theme for Siege of Terra I can think of (that I can play without buying a whole new army) is somewhat equally FUCKED by the mechanics.

On the other hand I could just bring 2 rhinos, some rapiers, some seekers, tacticals, etc of any of my legions and do fine but that's not really embodying the SOVL

>>96964107
Heresy narrative events need to start billing themselves for what they are. Every event I've been to has claimed narrative but ends up being a tournament with no prizes where people will shame you if you bring a unit that's their view of too strong (while playing 2.0 Stone Gauntlet, with a straight face)

>>96963221
Yeah, i've just taken them off the sprue, but the really annoying thing, is its not all the infantry, just some of them

>>96964299
>okay but what if my idea for a thematic list is stupendously bad (in the context of the mechanics of the edition).
You can either accept that this edition is not ideal for your preferred method of play and either change your method of play or the game you are playing, or you can dig in, refuse to compromise and allow your local opponents to realize this is what this dude it running and I can have some fun and bring off meta stuff or I have to punch down if either of us wants to have fun.

Digging your heels in worked for me in 7th but I was also perennially positive and just enjoyed the game because I could play what I wanted to play and it at least felt effective and that I had a chance in games, even when I objectively did not.

>>96955902
Or just make them yourself from some XPS and cardboard like God intended.

>>96964299
There probably IS a way to make the abbadon + justaerin deathstar work, or at least "potentially work"

But yea, a mass DS list just doesent sound very good or very viable. it could be interesting (and memorable) but you would probably lose unless you focus on the ranged abilities of those units (tactical vets with banestrikes, justaerin combis, etc).

>>96964056
If you have to ask, just do IF

>>96964295
Warders sucks, i wish at least they kept their bolters.

>>96964505
Its not, the best way to utilize deepstrike are cheap glass canon units, or better yet, drills. like a lot of people sleep on drills. they are 85 points, can pop light armor pretty damn easy with thier melta guns, and you can dump out units like melta support squads to take out heavy vehicles, or dump out destroyers to deliver status effects.

Another thing that i see a lot of people sleep on, are interdiction units. Having a blob of 20 despoilers pop outta no where, not able to be intercepted, and then get a disordered charge is pretty fucking great.

>>96964538
Eh, add a MoS for guaranteed turn 2/3/4 drops and I think theres a game there (potentially).

Drop abadabadoo onto the central objective, light up everyone with banestrikes. Turns 2/3 drop drills with banestrike vets (or whatever) onto the other objectives.

>>96964248
I feel veteran tacticals are a pro unit that a noob like me won't get until I learn the value of victory points, including Counter Offensive. They look like 2W marines who can (should?) all take combis, plus a couple heavy weapons.
Bare handed melee, but they can probably defeat up to an Assault squad due to the changes in Combat Res.

I'm still in a "Who kills what" in a void setting, instead of "Who *does* what"

>>96964558
Idk, I think theyre actually pretty easy to use. Theyre "tacticals+" in a sense, theyre worse at scoring but theyre tankier and can pack more punch for the model count. Stick them on a rhino and theyll 1:1 any other line unit off whatever objective you go for.

Id say go with volkites and then whatever special weapons you want.

>>96964538
>get a disordered charge
Don't they need like a full 6 on 1d6r to get there? Idk maybe a tactical mass would do it...

>>96964591
5, which on 2d6 pick the highest is actually not that unlikely.

>>96962009
Sadly, probably utterly annihilated. On ground combat they would probably be completely invincible but no AA would leave them open to everything (bombing runs, gun strafings, or hell even missile strikes)

>>96955827
thats a lot of iron warriors! goddam!

>>96964591
5+ on 2d6 drop lowest which is like a 50/50 basically

I still can’t fathom why this thing was in the saturnine box, I’ve never seen anyone use it outside of as terrain

>>96964577
>>96964558

I'm still not sure myself, but I have been tempted to make Compressed Tac Blobs. 10 Vets in a rhino with banestrike combis and a couple of status weapons, just for decisively hosing down all the power armour. Probably way more expensive than it's worth, but I am a sucker for elite power armour units.

>>96964711
Will definitely use mine after I got the time to paint it, its rules are so good. That 5+ invulnerable bubble against shooting is incredible.

Let's say, hypothetically, that I wanted to mount Heavy Bolters on each side of my Aethon Sentinel. Which kit would be most suitable for this?

>>96964750
The cheapest is called Etsy

>>96964711
same; it's so out of touch and nothing we wanted at all.
a fucking rhino would make this box a real value.
kill all managers around the globe and everyone would end up happier

>>96964391
Which infantry isn't fucked? I'd assume melee units?

>>96964750
Tarantula has side-mounted guns.

>>96964804
And if you’re dead set on the iron warriors vibe a vindicator or the new rapiers?

>>96964879
iron warrior vibe ? with a rhino ?? the fuck

>>96964711
I would have understood if the weapons were used for a vehicle, or even the turret, but no, it's a standalone artillery weapons platform.

And somehow GW said "we need a missile and a punisher version of this".
To think they were trying to kill destroyers too.

>>96952185 (OP)
Has anyone had any luck with armistos. Looking at their stats, for 70 points they seem very lackluster

>>96964711
If I had to guess, it's because it won't sell very well standalone so GW puts it in the box to bake it into the final price. For comparison's sake the Rhino is one of the bestest selling GW kits ever and putting it into a box set that sells for less than its constituent sets combined not only means they are basically selling the Rhino for less, they also see lines go down on Rhino kit both directly to consumer and associated FLGS selling their stuff.

>>96955926
It’s ok to be scared of it, but atp I believe gw sees it as the mistake it is and are seemingly backing away from it in other games. It was just necessary for heresy due to how much of a mess 2.0 was internally

>>96964911
Its such a notoriously unpopular model type you have to wonder if theres some kind of story behind it.

>>96964711
"We need to get in on the firestrike turret and hammerfall bunker market!"

>>96965012
>40k marines have (had) tarentulas
>So 30k marines need to have BIG tarentulas
I think that's just it. Big tarentulas.

I'd be curious to hear what really went on at GW's

>>96964904
I meant GW not you sorry

>>96957977
Remove crits from his hammer
6 wounds
Gambit now only works if and when Vulkan looses his last wound.
Even then he'll probably still be top dog with his top tier sire rule and EW3.
If you don't want to touch his profile, then make him cost as much as a daemon primarch. He's better than them anyway.

>>96964577
>Id say go with volkites
...how about combi-banestrikes?

>>96965178
veterans can't take combi-banestrikes, only Justaerin and command/champions.

Which means New Recruit is wrong! I can add banestrike bolters to my dang sergeants. Gotta remember that one.

>>96965409
Anon any alpha legion model that can take from combi weapon list can take banestrike bolters or combi bolters, check legacies

>>96965409
Veterans can take combi-weapons, which is the only requirement needed to be allowed combi-banestrike.

>>96964509
Because the IF are better than IH or some other reason?

>>96963471
fkn love your sallies anon

>>96963328
Ohmu bug transport for my new dark mech army are getting colours. The bright orange will be contrasted against dark metals and blacks + a savage dirty oil wash and heretic transfers.

>>96965545
fuck yeah, i wish this pic was the last thing i'd saw

>>96965502
>>96965511
somehow I missed that this was in the line of discussion about a unit for Dynat to join.
Sorry anons, I'm going to go walk into the "i can't read" sea now

>>96964982
I'm gonna try one out tomorrow I'll get back to you

>>96964711
It's fucking gigantic too, even the design is bizarre, the thing has a footprint as big as a land raider

>>96965581
That's awesome

>>96965581
Nice pokemon

>>96960107
aren't tortuga terminators actually bigger than leviathan? maybe not that much taller but in terms of girth, i was interested by their own indomitus since they have that FW look but they seem to fat.

>>96965829
Probably not sure though, never liked Tortugas stuff they looked way to goofy.

>>96965734
Thanks anon

>>96965871
I don't like tortuga, and I think it's fucking bizarre how many people in this thread go apeshit about troonscale conversions, but then slobber over Tortuga and their offbrand michelin man sculpts.

>>96965959
Imma be real i was being kind, but truth is, i feel the same way, i think Tortuga looks like dog shit, their torsos are way to fucking long, and their arms and lengthy. They just dont look good.
I feel like the jerk of people give them is just because they are not GW and muh 3d printing
DESU I call Tortuga reddit marines.

>>96965876
Just remind me next thread

>>96966010
Tortuga keeps the design and improves the scale while fucking up the minutae.
James fucks up the design ehile improving the scale and minutae

>>96965829
tugas aren't larger than a leviathan what are you smoking dawg like pass that shit over here bro

>>96966106
dude i dont even think tortuga improves the scale.
They look fucking retarded on the table because they are comedically big.
They look like shit.

why does no one show off their muscles

>>96965178
Those are higher damage, but theyre also like 10ppm or something ludicrous. Volkites are cheap, and for SoH have the advantage of being assault weapons so you can Death Dealers with them.

>>96964711
>>96964804
The people pulling the strings are insane. I love fortifications and still this is such a pile of shit let down of a thing. Plus, if they were really gonna force that this model be manned then they should have put an indentured legion serf with enhancements as the occupant. Asleep at the wheel all the time is GW's MO.

The resin Sicaran and the new plastic one are the same except fur the turrets right? Theyre interchangable?

>>96966223
Nope

>>96966261
So you cant stick an arcus/omega turret on a regular sicaran?

>>96966267
You can, but the resin turret ring was smaller so it won't hold in place, got to magnetize it

>>96966275
Ah bugger.

So kratoses are finally good in 3e, what about sicarans?

>>96966261
>>96966223
They are not the same BUUUUUT you can get 3d printed collars that will fix the size.