The single most underrated country for /trv/
Way, way better than Czechia
An actual Nation with History, for starters

As a Russian in Poland...
why is there not a single more beautiful city in Europe than this? With a more beautiful vista?

>>2764517 (OP)
Every european country has history

>>2764645
Some shorter some longer tho
I wrote History with a capital H for a reason

Wroclaw was especially fantastic and underrated. Warsaw as well.. only did 2 nights there due to many Poles advising against it, but wish I had done more

>>2764517 (OP)
Very much overrated. What is their contribution to progress. Civilizational freeloaders. In about 10 years they will be most blaced slavic country.
Any notable person from Poland is a imigrant who hated there.

>>2764612
Venice? Sevilla? Marbella? It's like you guys pretend southern europe just doesn't exist because it's popular. it's the most beautiful region on Earth

I'll get to Poland one day. There are just so many better places to visit first. I've done most of the US, a lot of Europe. My short list is Thailand, Japan, Northern Spain, Portugal, Bavaria. Maybe Poland after that.

>>2765000
Forum.Garsoniera.pl +escort.club
Doubt you will any good cheaper than 500pln for ST

>>2764692
Whats the difference of history and History?

A unique thing I witnesses in a small town in Poland was seeing random half pints and pints of vodka left on benches , electrical boxes, curbs etc and seeing them in the same place 6 days later

Polish people don't speak much English do they? That might be difficult.

>>2765105
>Venice? Sevilla? Marbella?

>>2765112
>There are just so many better places to visit first.
No there aren't. They're just better advertised
>>2765103
>What is their contribution to progress.
The first modern Constitution in Europe
The first modern democracy
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_3_May_1791
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Lithuanian_Commonwealth

>>2765190
Kingdom>democracy

>>2765191
well, the 3 May Constitution formulated the first constitutional monarchy in Europe

>>2765192
Nice. And whatever who cares about government shit and history when the women are godlike. I wish every american woman had to tour eastern europe so they know how much hotter the EE women are and maybe it will inspire them american bitches to try and not be fatass bitched and at least try to dress nicely

>>2764612
Krakow is beautiful, but it's been destroyed by tourism/covid.
The soul of the city has been sucked dry. It's a shadow of its former self.

Unironically go to Lviv if you want to go to 'real Krakow', though probably not with a Russian passport, kek.

>>2765190
You've posted 3 photos of the same square from different angles. It's pretty, but all I see is elderly tourists standing around in the freezing cold doing nothing. It doesn't look very exciting. The old town in Krakow is barely a Km long. Looks like maybe you could spend a day. I'm not understanding the argument why I would go to Poland over Spain? Have you been to Andalusia Spain?

>>2765386
Not the guy you're responding to, but I've lived in both. Both are very comfy destinations, but serve 2 differnet character types
Andalucia is more geared towards being outside, being loud, wanting to dance, etc.
Poland is more based around more cozy underground pubs/bars where more talking is done. I personally prefer the latter in the long run.

Then you've got the time of year. Summer in Poland is absolutely god-tier climate, and the talent out on the streets is absolutely beautiful to look at. Andalucian summers are ogre, and it's a far better destination for spring.

When it comes to history, in general, Andalucian historical sites mog the Polish ones. There's just world-beating shit in Sevilla, Cordoba and Grenada destroy Krakow, Warsaw and Gdansk. Though, if WW2 and the cold war is your cup of tea, Poland wins.

For activities, Poland has a lot of fun things going for it in the cities thanks to the 'cheap stag party' scene and the fact that it can't rely on things like Alhambra, Mezquita, etc. Poles (and more recently, Ukrainians) seem to like making games and activities, and the scene is quite competitive. I'd also say the museums are of a higher quality, too. Polish museums are more industry-based, and a bit more hands on, whereas the Spanish museums can rely on just being absolutely awe-inspiring, and don't need added extras.

For food. Tapas culture is boss, but deep-fried Andalucian stuff gets tiring, and there's limited choice beyond the traditional. Polish food is alright, especially in winter, but places like Krakow are now international hubs of food where everything is available, and you can eat very very well for quite reasonable prices.

I found Poland more comfy for hiking due to climate and softer terrain, though Andalucia has more 'wow' factor, imo.

Polish tourism typically is assocaited with weekend breaks and chilling on the squares, but there's a lot more to do.

>>2765386
>>2765425
I'll stick to the south of Poland to make it a fair comparison against Andalucia as a region. Some recent trips I've done:

>Bieszczady Mountains
A rare wilderness in Europe; the 'tail' of Poland in the southeast where the UA, PL and SK borders meet. You can properly get lost here. A rare minority live down here called the Rusyns/Lemkos/Hutsuls, and they have their own thing going on.
Enter via the town of Sanok, where you can find the main exhibition of the painter Beksinksi.

>Trail of the Eagles Nests & Bledow Desert
A national park containing 25 castles in beautiful scenery. There's even a desert down the south of it.
Amazing for cycling.

>Silesia Industrial Heritage
Silesia is the industrial heartland of Poland, and is like 15 towns/cities which have grown into each other and all have a slightly different feel. The place is full of breweries, mines, factories, etc which have been converted into museums or sites for activities. Some oof my funnest getaways have been getting random triains and ubers to shithole industrial towns, doing an activity like checking out a mine, or doing a brewery workshop, then getting smashed in random bars after, where they 0% expect foreigners to rock up to.

>Bochnia/Wieliczka salt mines
World famous destinations. The scale of Wieliczka is fucking insane. They also offer more alternative tours and activities very far underground.

>Spas
Lots of spa towns in the south of Poland where you can do shit like swim outside in naturally heated pools in freezing temperatures outside, or be ina sauna naked with 50 other people watching a ritualistic dance overlooking the mountains, etc.

Hope that gives a little insight of Poland beyond the squares :)Would post links, but 4chan doesn't seem to like lots of links in a single post.

>>2765425
That all makes sense. I wouldn't go to Spain in the summer anyway. I usually do my Europe trips in the middle of winter to snowboard or in late September for the weather. We usually don't hike outside the cities because we're walking all day through the cities anyway and we hit a lot of stops on our trips. When I did Spain, we did Madrid, Seville, Cordoba, Cadiz, Ronda and Malaga in 2 weeks by car. The sights in the cities are the best I've seen anywhere in the world. But I totally agree about the food in Spain. I was over the fried tapas and salted ham in the first 3 days. We ate a Mediterranean diet for the rest of the trip in Spain.

>>2765428
Any reports for northern PL or eastern PL? Any reccomended towns/cities that are great to stay a whole week or two? I find Wroclaw great for this but am wanting to see what else is out there and maybe something smaller

>>2765613
I live in Krakow, so my knowledge gets limited.

However, you can do a week in north Poland in summer, eeassyyyy.

>Mazury Lakes
Rent a boat for maximum kino. Watch 'Knife in the Water' by Polanski beforehand to contextualise the place a bit.

>Malbork Castle
Maybe the most impressive castle I've been to. Base of the Teutonic Knights. It's absolutely huge, and is a proper castle which saw action, unlike the cathederal/palace/hill/hotel larping as a castle in Krakow.

>Cycling Hel Peninsula
If you look at Gdansk, you'll see there's a spit which stretches out for 20(?)km, forming a lagoon. You can rent bikes at the base, cycling all the way to the end, drop off the bike, then get a ferry back to Gdansk for a REALLLYYY nice day out.
The Hel Peninsula is just one long sandy beach, punctuated by a few small villages you can stock up on beers at.

>Westerplatte
A peninsula/end of delta where WW2's first battle happened. A very nice walk through old forts with exhibitions.

>Gdansk Old Town
Typical Polish/German old town with bars and shit.

>Sopot
The "exclusive" traditional beach resort for Poles where the upper class would've hung out in the communist era.

>Beaches
Generally there's fucking beaches everywhere. I liked 'Stogi Beach' slightly out to the east of Gdansk, proper authentic Polish place where you can get fish/sausage/beer and chill the fuck out. The tram/bus journey was quite nice, too.

>Torun
Home of Copernicus, decent old city like 60km away on high speed train. Never been, but Torun/Bydgoszcz is absolutely CRAZY about Motor Speedway. You might be able to catch a race.

EAST
Never really ventured out. Zamosc is cool. Lublin is alright. Forests everywhere. Maybe can play IRL VIP_ Counterstrike maps at the border if your budget is big enough. Lots of ads encouraging you to invest there, too, if you want to start a logistics firm.

>>2765627
Malbork is epic, id like to go to Zamosc
Have you found any real mineral spa towns/thermal baths? Meaning pure mineral water.no chemicals etc added? I went to some near Zakopane last year but they were all chlorinated etc which ruins it for me. I want highly mineralerized heated natural water spings , like whats found in Budapest

>>2765639
Nothing of the scale of Budapest, which is fucking amazing for the thermal baths.
"Zdroj" means 'spring' in Polish, and there's a fair few mineral spa towns:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spa_towns_in_Poland

Can't really say how 'natural' the facilities are though. The only place on the list I've been to for a spa weekend is Busko-Zdroj (during Covid for an all inclusive """medical consultation""", kek), which was kinda nice, and the hotel was really good value for money.

>>2765653
>>2765639
My mate goes on about Krynica-Zdroj, too. But again, can't vouch for how 'natural' things are. It's like a mini Zakopane over there, with more of a health focus.

>>2765653
Yah so i went to Krynica Zdroj in attempt to heal at a "sanitarium" but it was kinda cheezy and was hoping to find a doctor that was actually good. The famous zuber water wells are here
It was really tough because English was hardly spoken. The only mineral baths I found were not pure natural mineral baths. A nice forest nearby made for some epic walks. And i did actually seemed to be healed in some way . My energy felt very grounded and i was able to forgive or let some things go. I was aiming to heal my digestive system/liver/gallbladder and the claim is that those mineral waters do all that

Did you find any healing or good waters for healing in Busko?

>>2765654
Yeah can you elaborate more on your mates Krynica experience?? I think if i found a better resort and doctor and invested more time there, that some real healing could be made

>>2764517 (OP)
>underrated
Maybe ten or twenty years ago. Everyone goes to Krakow now. I was shocked at how expensive it had gotten the last time I went.

>>2765656
Will see him on Saturday, will let you know.

In the meantime, was clicking around the Wiki list and came across picrel, kek.

>Ciechocinek is known for its unique[clarification needed] 'saline graduation towers'.[4] Experts have considered the local saline springs to be of extreme value and named the thermal spring no. 14 "a wonder of nature". The therapeutic qualities of these springs are directed toward curing cardiovascular, respiratory, orthopedic, traumatic, rheumatic, nervous system and women's diseases.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciechocinek
Near to Torun up in the north.

>>2765658
Cool. I will look into that Cheichoniek. In the past i had difficulties relying on the internet for mineral pools because i think the internet told me there were natural ones near Zakopane, but then i found none and some locals told me i had to go to Slovakia for those. But i will continue my quest for finding a real badass mineral spa. I should go back to the Rudas baths in Budapest!

Any advice on meeting friends or girls? And your a foreigner living in Krakow?? Working?

>>2765660
Yup, living in Krakow. Mainly work abroad though aside from side hustle here and there.

>Advice
Look out for events across the city where people come together for sports, games, etc. Facebook groups are decent for this. Gives you an excuse to speak to people and spend time together. From there, it's all down to your charisma.

>>2764517 (OP)
>An actual Nation with History, for starters
As opposed to the many Bohemian kingdoms and HRE rulers based out of Prague? Come on son

>>2765386
>You've posted 3 photos of the same square from different angles.
WTF are you talking about you idiot
first off - NTA
secondly - the 1st pic ITT is Kraków
and the pic ur replying to is Warsaw

i seriously hope you're trolling. you can't be this retarded

>>2765721
>Bohemian
>HRE
that's German history
and not many based out of prague - but 2

>>2765103
jew

>>2765657
That's pretty much all of Poland. Or Eastern Europe, really. Prices have gone mad ever since COVID and the war has only made it worse.
It's literally the same shit pricewise now whichever side of the Oder you're on. Maybe hotels are cheaper, in the sense that the price floor is lower in Poland if you're not picky.

>>2764517 (OP)
any red pills on the bug river? are there jungles there? malaria infected swamps? huge chinese communities?
sounds grim. imagine an eastern european cambodia.

>>2765919
>>2765657
only restaurants are expensive in Poland, because apparently Poles don't have much of a restaurant-going culture going on, I'm getting the vibe they're introverted and prefer staying home & comfy
restaurants in Poland are a total scam.

everything else is uber cheap tho. might be the cheapest EU country, which is funny considering Poles now earn more than Czechs - and this is in nominal terms

>>2765920
pic is how the Bug (pronounced Boog) river actually flows

>>2766222
Rent is getting quite expensive in Poland
>cheapest country in the EU
lol not even close

>>2766222

>beer in bar: 15pln = 3gbp
>beer from shop: 4pln = 80p
>average restaurant main: 40pln = 8bp
>posh restaurant main: 70pln = 14gbp
>rent 50m2, 15min walk from Krakow main square: 3000pln = 600gbp
>average taxi journey: 20pln = 4gbp

I mean, prices nearly have doubled in the last 5 years, and shit seems mad expensive. Hoewver, it's easy to forget there everywhere else is the same, too.
Going back to the UK is ogre for prices.
Poland I guess sitll is cheap comparatively, but it's not anything like the past. We've all been mugged off. It feels as if private equity are tightening all the bolts and cashing in hard.

>>2766307
>>cheapest country in the EU
>lol not even close
it is. generalized price level = 60% of EU average

>>2766438
Spend a month in Bucharest or Sofia and a month Krakow and then get back to me. Rent in Poland is skyrocketing

>>2765103
Truke nuke. You don't get tired of old cobblestone cities but most European countries have something to offer beyond that.
Also the Poles' martyr complex is annoying as fuck. They have the same issue as Russians where the average prole is educated enough about their history to want to flaunt it but don't understand enough to realise that their country has always been a thirdworld cumdump.

>>2766438
>for food and non-alcoholic drinks
There's more to life than groceries.

>>2764612
>As a Russian in Poland...
>why is there not a single more beautiful city in Europe than this? With a more beautiful vista?
truthnvke
>>2765188
bodied that freak
>>2765190
TRVKE

>>2766491
>their country has always been a thirdworld cumdump.
Poland has always been an avant-garde enlightened Republic, and you barbarians

>>2766443
Prices in Romania are noticeably higher than in Poland, bruh

It's 4:30 AM I went to Cracow this weekend
This city is fucking crazy, if you want to experience what Amsterdam was in the 2000s come to Cracow
In the center 80% of people speak a foreign language
There's a lot of British, they even have their own Irish Pubs and they're 100% full with Englishmen
I went in, wanted to order like a pint but there was no space at 10PM, they were having a party like from a movie, a footie on one TV, karaoke on another, everything occupied
2 Irish pubs next to each other
I eventually came to two bars in a historical Jewish ghetto/district
One hard some African techno/electronic music, I danced there for like an hour
And then I went to more like a psytrance club when they were raving in the basement. And I danced there from like 1 AM to 4:30 AM
Now I'm coming back home and it's literally so quiet, no one around, I can only hear birds chirping. It's so safe you can walk around and not worry about nuggets. At park at any time. The barmen charged my phone because it was at 1%
I was walking around
Pic tel another Irish bar as I was walking back, music blasting from inside at 4:30 am

>>2766610
Alright, sold. I've been meaning to visit Poland

Am I welcome as an American?

>>2766610
So you did a bunch of lame normalfaggot shit that you could do at home.

>>2766601
Not for rent

>>2766611
Not since election, Europe is getting a hateboner for Americans.
At the same time Poland may be the most welcoming to your kind of all EU countries.

I truly loved going to Krakow. Beautiful architecture, good food, affordable, has a good party scene. One day I will RETVRN there

Going to Tatras Mountains in early may, planning to stay in krakow and zakopane
is there an unmissable spot? lac, hike?

>>2766610
sounds based and comfy

>>2766721
>is there an unmissable spot? lac, hike?
Hala Gąsienicowa (caterpillar hall) is WORLD-CLASS. Pic related.
And of course the Morskie Oko (Eye of the Sea) lake nearby

Seriously tho Hala Gąsienicowa is jaw-dropping

>>2767319
beautiful

bump

>>2766610
Is the beer good in the Irish pubs, or is it all guinness?

>>2768846
its all shit mate. just stay away. go to amsterdam, or visit your family in delhi.

>>2764517 (OP)
>scroll the entire thread
>not ONE mention about Polish pussy
Are you guys fucking gay? This is honestly insane. What is the point of traveling if you’re not sampling the local fare?

>>2769054
that means this thread is the best on this board rn
sex tourism is Weird & should die
also I'm glad Poland isn't attracting sex tourists, glad Czechia is acting like a magnet for all the trash

>>2765658
Any update on your buddies Krynica feedback?

bump

>>2764882

Best churches i have ever seen! Totally underrated!

>>2771134
Which would you recommend? I’m not a Catholic but I am a Christian so idk if I can just wander in

>>2771383
pic related
in my opinion the most impressive religious interior after the St. Peter's Basilica

>>2771490

How hairy are Polish women, are they like Western women and shave and wax everything? I want a dark haired girl with very hairy forearms, legs, armpits, belly, nipples, pussy and ass. Polish Jewess maybe?

>>2771490
>>2771491
BEAUTIFUL

>>2771491
Yeah it's wonderful how much money they've stolen from poor people to make an useless shit to fuck altar boys in.

>>2771766
Seeth harder poor athiest loser that pretends to love "multicultural societys" while tucking away in your all white neighborhood

>>2771798
Ah yes, the Catholic church isn't the one that's universalist and pro-immigration and pro-third world and the Pope didn't kiss black feet.

>>2764517 (OP)
I fucking hate Poland and Poles. The whiniest niggers that have ever lived, and honestly I wish they would get conquered by Russia and Germany again.
>r...russiabot!!!
Fuck Russia. Your shithole is just ass, and you guys caused every single European conflict since WW2. Fuck you guys, and fuck your asskissing to America.

>>2771854
^
I'm the fag above. I'm also Catholic and hate Poland. You can kiss my ass nigger. A plebian like you wouldn't understand the essence of Romanity because you're too busy being a buck broken house negro slurping your American massas cum. Fuck you and any retarded faggots that have a disdain for Catholicity.
>The pope kissed a black guy's foot!
He's a human fuckass. Biologically we're not equal, but we all have a soul worthy of saving that is equally loved by God.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/catechism/cat_view.cfm?recnum=6038
Fuck you. God bless you too.

>>2771887
Enjoy black cock in your ass I guess. You can look at the nice frescos in the mosque they've converted your Holy Church into while you're eating his shit and he's fucking your daughter.

>>2771887
Who the hell goes to church? You have all the knowledge of human existence at your fingertips and you still believe in a silly fairytale your mommy told you hen you were 5 to get you to behave? How old were you when you figured out Santa Claus wasn't climbing down your chimney to give you presents?

poland is a good country, especially if it is divided

>>2771882
>>r...russiabot!!!
yeah, you are. no one else would feel so strongly about Poland one way or another, lul

>>2771854
Ok so do you love or hate the church
Ur mad they stole poor peoples money, but happy they pushed multi culturalism?

>>2772042
Why would I be happy about either of those?

>>2769054
>>2769318
its crazy how everywhere you go you hear about polish whores getting fucked by everyone, their dog and their grandpa but NOT by polish men. You tell anyone you are from poland, no one will mention wajda or chopin but they will say in how many degenerate ways they fucked polish whores.
Personally i am incel but i've been on dates with few pretty women - all of them non-white and non-polish. I guess i could at least ask them what do they like in poland and larp as local expert to "show her around" - while i have absolutely nothing to talk about with my fellow polish whores, most selfish, vapid, rude golddigger cunts there are

>>2771766
>>2771854

>>2772046
Yeah idk

>>2772060
I don't understand what you're saying there, I'm complaining about both of these things.

>>2772062
Yeah sorry im a weenie and blanketed you with all the literal fags that say "omg catholic church bad"
Maybe next time be more original or something so people know you also hate brown people

>>2771898
Lol you're not even worth talking to. If you unironically think the Catholic Church is going to let Muslims turn any churches into Mosques or that the Church has a high opinion of mass immigration you're absolutely retarded and don't bother to read at all.
>>2771928
>who goes to church?
Many people who have read the Western Canon, have post-doctoral work, and literally half a million people who have to take 6 years of history, philosophy, and Latin just to become a servant of the Church. I guarantee you you've never read the Church fathers, Didache, the Greeks, Roman philosophers, or done any original research on Romanity. Unless you can read Latin and know Kant, Spinoza, Aquinas, and Kierkegaard by heart you can fuck right off. None of this changes the fact that Poland is a shithole and always will be until the day it gets conquered for the 10,000th time.

>>2772333
>>Many people who have read the Western Canon, have post-doctoral work
i.e. stuck up cunts who don't give a single shit about their countrymen

and now this thread has devolved into a shitstorm between a Catholic, atheist & a prot
wonderful

here's a random view from Poland

>>2772421
Catholics are the most nationalist

>>2773192

i wish.

>>2772421
Catholic Church = Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, and all of central, northern, and western Europe before 1517.
Atheist = Modern USA, Communist China, Soviet Russia, and modern West. You're actually retarded. Which societies cared more about their countrymen?

>>2773223
what's your point, with the picrel?

bump

>>2773223
>take brown lands from brown people
>let brown people take anatolia
What did christcucks mean by this?

I'm visiting Krakow at 19th-23rd of this Month with a group.

I've read multiple times that on the 20th and 21st of April 'everything is closed' for Easter.

If true, this equals that the only days that we can visit museums/castles/restaurants is at 19th and 22nd.
My group wants to visit Auschwitz Birkenau at 22nd. I prefer rather to visit museums than go to Auschwitz but it's probably the only chance I will get to visit it.

Should I go with my group or ditch them to see other stuff?

>>2764517 (OP)
Ahem you mean Preussen

>>2775385
you shouldn't feel pressured to visit Auschwitz unless you're a jew (to honor your fallen brethren) or a denialist (to blow away your doubts)
in any case, auschwitz is a gloomy place to visit, and there's no need in spoiling the joy you get from the trip

>>2775527
>(to blow away your doubts)
lol

>>2764517 (OP)
I've seen the videos of how chill it is now I'd be willing to go but I have a ton of other countries I want to visit first. Its just so unknown to me that I don't have anything I'd want to go to there for and I don't wanna go just to go to bars and nightclubs so its down on the list.

>>2764517 (OP)
There are plenty of Hawaii clone countries where they are strictly good with tourist crime because they know to keep their country look at a positive otherwise a huge part of their economy dies

>>2765190
Looks like shit, the main square in Prague is way better.

>>2769318
>sex tourism is Weird & should die
nothing wrong with sex abroad you double nigger
>>2772333
>Spinoza
>going to church
I read latin and I think you're gay

>>2764517 (OP)
How's picking up women? 40 with 2 mil, hoping I can land a fit 30 yrold. I'm not into non whites or local hags.

From your experience what have been good places in Warsaw? I’ll be there with my Mom next month and I already have some museums in mind to satisfy my autism but any other recs for someone into /k/ and /out/ stuff?

>>2778474
t. butthurt pepik
kek

>>2779092
>How's picking up women?
it's no different than in most other european countries

>dating in the biggest cities is easier
>if you're not white and at least average looking yourself, forget it
>dating / hookup apps somewhat work if you're photogenic
one difference
>polish (women) are bit more open to casual conversations with strangers compared to e.g. Germany

40yo trying for 30yo women should work just fine
your 2 mil won't help that much in itself
well it's enough to buy nice clothes, get a good airbnb and not worry about entrances / drink prices, but it's not living like a king money (especially in cities like Warsaw)

>>2779980
>your 2 mil won't help that much in itself

Get real. What would a European know about 2 mil in the bank? That's more than your whole family makes in 3 lifetimes.

>>2764612
I hate to say it but Stockholm is more beautiful architecturally

>>2765660
>>2765664
First time posting ITT. I desperately want to move to Poland. I spent a month traveling around it and everywhere felt like home. How do I go about it? Just some American. Background is IT project manager for healthcare. MBA, MS.

>>2780507
Why do you wanna move there?
Regular life isn't as exciting as travelling around the country.

>>2780580
Fair point. Rephrasing my trip, I spent most of the time remotely working evenings from a bloc apartment next to Saxon gardens and I just loved Warsaw, and then Gdansk, Wroclaw, and Krakow. I guess it just seemed to be a very functional culture away from culture war nonsense and minimal crime. I don't qualify for citizenship by descent due to what years my family members left.

>>2780590
>I spent most of the time remotely working evenings from a bloc apartment
Ah I see. In that case you got a more realistic look at the country than someone who was travelling and partying non stop. Well if you find the day to day life in Poland more pleasant than in the US, why not. If you keep your American job you'll have loads of expendable income.
>away from culture war nonsense
Don't mean to burst your bubble but that's very much a thing. It's not North Korea where everyone is forced to have one and the same opinion on everything, there's political shitflinging as well. Maybe it's not as overt as in the US, you will rarely see bumper stickers with political slogans and such but it's very much a thing and the online discourse surrounding politics isn't nice at all.

I can answer any questions you might have on here or on discord if you'd like.

>>2780593
I guess my big one is, how are you pulling off remote work and living there? Are you staying on a 90-day Schengen and then going elsewhere?

>>2780625
Oh, I'm just Polish, no trickery is needed.
I guess you'd need to apply for a visa after the 90 day visa free period is up.

>>2765567
Tbh that's on you for ordering only fried foods and jamon. Amerimutts and Chavs see deep fried croquettas and rabas and go crazy eating nothing else the whole time then whine that the food is all deep fried.
Bitch you're just ordering from the starter menu. You can go to any restaurant in Spain and eat a bean, chickpea or lentil stew, some braised calf cheeks, grilled pork loin or steak, roasted lamb or goat, cod in a white wine and parsley or tomato sauce, grilled octopus, fresh tuna etc.
I lived in Spain for 3 years and the only people who complained about the food were picky Anglos who were afraid of eating fish or any meat that wasn't in chicken tendie form.

>>2780182
KEK

How's the skiing in Poland? Zanopane looks pretty rad and it's insanely cheap. It's also crazy cheap to fly into Krakow and rent a car.

I like to do about 5 days at a resort and ski/snowboard for 3 of 5 and just chill in the town every other day.

>>2781261
it's great. the tourist infrastructure is very developed. better than on the slovak side of the tatras

Is knowing basic Polish enough to get by in Warsaw?

>>2781261
It's shit.
Few pistes, hopelessly overcrowded (both the runs and the lifts) and snow quality is always a big issue. And it's not even that cheap any more if you consider what you get for your money. If you've ever been to a proper ski resort in actually high mountains, you'll be disappointed.
That said, it's fine for 3 days, just, you know, don't expect the Alps. And avoid school holiday season like the plague.

>>2764612
I'm a German, Polish, Irish born American, do you keep the jews out of Poland? We need to unite and destroy them.

>>2781292
That depends entirely on what you mean by "basic Polish" and by "get by" - you won't need much to rent a room in a hotel or to order a meal in a restaurant.

>>2781292
Nope. Need at least B2.

>>2781460
>snow quality is always a big issue
this is going to shock you, but snow is always going to suck when temps are above zero

>>2781460
Where would you recommend instead for a one week trip?

>>2781715
Yes, that is exactly why. We haven't had proper winters for years and our mountains look taller than they really are. By midday once the artificial snow melts you're either waterskiing or ice skating on the frozen sheet underneath. The more difficult runs are often closed for most of the season due to rocks sticking out. I'm not sure why you think this would shock me and what exactly were you trying to prove here.
>>2781740
Wherever you find that currently has the best price/performance in the Alps. You really can't beat the empty lifts and the massive piste network you get there. I usually go for Austria since it's that little bit closer, but some people swear by Italy. No specific recommendations for resorts, frankly by now they've all melded in my head and I'm not up to date with ticket prices. Pick a nice glacier if you want to go off-season, the weather situation has made the lower parts of the mountains quite shitty over there too.
Alternatively, if you want an unusual destination that's truly dirt cheap, Georgia. Gudauri is ok for a couple days trip (skiing infrastructue wise, the town itself is crap). The downside is that while snow isn't an issue, wind is. You can be shit out of luck and get stuck for days with a (partially or not) closed resort. Happens more often than you'd expect. Also the slopes are quite gentle, so that might be a con depending on how skilled you are.

>>2781822
We're leaning heavily towards Sauze d'Oulx in Italy. There are a ton of interconnected towns up there Sauze looks like it has a lot of good bars and food. Flying into Milan is also one of the cheaper options and car rentals are insanely cheap. Looks like there are some nice towns to hit along the way too like Susa, Sant'Ambrogio, and Arona. We'll probably go check out some of the basilicas in Turin too.

is the weed good in poland

>>2781822
tldr
>>2782698
yeah. Poland is so sophisticated man. drugs are illegal, but they're technically legal... you just go on Cebulka on Tor, and you can get them delivered right beside you, end-to-end secure, into a paczkomat. just make sure you get a clearnet mail address that you can access semi-securely, i.e. through a VPN or Tor, the rest is for you to figure out, and as soon as you smoke it all, nothing is left to incriminate you :)

>>2779980
Appreciate it, cheers!

Will there be issues if I wear a surplus Flecktarn shirt there?

Poland is good because it had the vividly-intellectual Silesia and because much of it used to be pre-WW2 Germany.

Also, they didn't have to have some mass delusion that mass-importing the third worlders would somehow fix the guilt of the holocaust.

So you get pretty European cities as they used to be.

That this culture is still active is the reason you got The Witcher 3.

>>2783097
Silesia is a butt of jokes in Poland lol. Poles call the Silesian Poles "coal munchers"

>>2783135

maybe nowadays, and it's very unfortunate

Breslau alone bred a whole bunch of famous intellectuals and scientists. This is probably never talked about at all by Poland because they would have to face what they destroyed by chasing away the germans, and never managed to rebuild:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_Breslauer_Persönlichkeiten

btw, the author in "the lives of the others" was a silesian-german who came to mainland germany as a child, which traumatized him btw because mainland germans are obtuse souldead NPCs

>>2783148
who the fuck cares about this? fuck off back to /pol/ you nazi loser sperg. how irrelevant
Silesia is Polish and always has been, stop clinging to a fake "silesian-german" identity that was created circa 1750 and erased barely 195 years later

>>2783159

lmao, why so emotional piotr?

>>2783318
im jewish :)

bump

>>2772333
>or that the Church has a high opinion of mass immigration you're absolutely retarded and don't bother to read at all.

Let us read.
>When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:34
>The peak of the revelation as reached in the Gospel of Christ is final and permanent. It knows no retouches by human hand; it admits no substitutes or arbitrary alternatives such as certain leaders pretend to draw from the so-called MYTH OF RACE AND BLOOD.
Pope Pius XI's encyclical "Mit brennender Sorge"
>The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him
Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2241

Ticket purchased, time to visit le ancestral homeland!! Gramps left in 1946 IIRC, immigrated to America. He made his money his own way, never held a 9-5 wagecuck job.

>>2783948
I rec the movie A Real Pain (2024)

>>2764517 (OP)
yes i agree

Has anyone been to the Cold War museum and Army Museum in Warsaw? I really wanna chdck them out and post some images on /k/

>>2764517 (OP)
Is Warsaw nice for nightwalks?

Stop letting this thread die

>>2789153
right

>>2789153
Calm your tits. /trv/'s most hated blogposter will be landing in WAW later this month.

>>2791017
who?

>>2787643 the safest capital I've ever been to, so yeah

>>2764517 (OP)
As someone who's 2nd gen polish-American and been many times, I'm sick of seeing Poland at the top of every underrated country list.

>>2791046
Alfred Nonymous, duh. Who else would be blogposting on an Abkhazian civet farming forum?

If you want a bit different experience tour Lower Silesia, lots of half ruined ghostly castles and palaces from German era alongside renovated ones.

>>2791738
In the southwest fringes of Poland lies the town of Jelenia Góra, which is surrounded by such picturesque mountain ranges as the Karkonosze and the Izera Mountains. The local area is rich with historic architecture – in a relatively small space of 100 square kilometres around the town you can find over 30 outstanding palaces and castles. Some of them date back as far as the Middle Ages, though the area really gained its unique character in the 19th century when Jelenia Góra was part of Prussia. That’s when the Prussian royal Hohenzollern family turned the palace in Mysłakowice near Jelenia Góra into its summer residence.

https://culture.pl/en/article/polands-amazing-valley-of-palaces-gardens

>>2791087
Why? It is extremely underrated

>>2791087
Which would you rather see at the top of that list?

Flight itinerary finalized!
>Kuala Lumpur to Sharjah (6/25)
>One night in Sharjah
>Sharjah to Warsaw (6/26)
>21 nights in Poland and Lithuania
>Vilnius to Istanbul (7/17)
>One night in Istanbul
>Istanbul to Denver (7/18)
>One night in Denver
>Back to work in the mountains
The four flights cost me $1000 USD.

What do you do to keep from getting pickpocketed? Should I have one of those chest fanny picks? Do I need one of those anti-scannable wallets?

>>2771887
based
Polish Catholicism should be the only religion as an American saying this but we make do with our religions.

>>2792184
Have fun!

A train-based itinerary of Polish randomness hammered out in a single planning frenzy. A couple trains couldn't be booked in advance...the train from Plock toBrodnica and Grudziadz is only bookable two days out for some reason, and the LKA commuter train from Skierniewice to Kutno is operated by the Lodz government and isn't part of the national railway system. Departure will be via bus from Suwalki.

On second glance it was dumb to overlook Lodz, even if its cheap rooms all have horrid reviews. It makes sense why Europe travelers book everything in advance, especially in summer. The desirable properties get booked up early. Out of 15 nights I only booked one hostel to experience the squalor of poorfagging on $11.50/night. Nightly average for all of Poland was $28. Lots of shared bathroom options. All rooms within easy walking distance of train or metro stations.

>>2792197
drag your suitcase around with a safe inside it.

>>2792823
whats the itinerary?

>>2765658
I live in Ciechocinek. Its a small town, you can walk around and see all it has to offer in just a couple of hours. There isnt much to see here, the target demographic of tourism is old polish people. For them it's like burning man. They come here drink, dance and fuck.

In fact they fuck so much that Ciechocinek tourism industry is a leading factor in proliferation of STDs amongst the elderly in the country.

Every single polish person I've talked to has consistently told me Warsaw is the most boring city in the country, and You're better off in Gdansk or Krakow

>>2792887
Incredibly based.
Not sure what else to say other than thanks for the info.

Can you use the Warsaw public transit just using a phone or are physical tickets required?

Does Poland have citizenship through descent? I recently found out my great grandma and her parents were born there (i thought she was born in russia). I want out of the us bros....

>>2792882
Warsaw (2 nights) - Zyrardow (2 nights) - Kutno (1 night) - Plock (1 night) - Brodnica (2 nights) - Grudziadz (2 nights) - Olsztyn (1 night) - Szcztyno (1 night) - Elk (1 night) - Bialystok (1 night) - Sokolka (1 night)

Onward into Lithuania...
Marijampole (1 night) - Kaunus (2 nights) - Alytus (1 night) - Vilnius (2 nights)

In hindsight, I should've booked the return flight two weeks later and given myself enough time to do a proper loop of the country.

>>2793978
yes, you can buy tickets through the public transport navigation app JakDojade and you scan the tickets in the app through QR codes present in every bus, tram and at metro stations

>>2794049
Pretty off-piste destinations, kek. Would be curious to hear the rationale behind the choices.
Reckon this journey will get a little repetitive, desu. Small Polish towns are very very very similar. You're going to get tired at one point and will cry out for a 3 night 'rest' in one place.

Would be a shame to miss out on boating in Mazury.

>>2794049
and what will you do in those cities? What is even to do in frickin Bialystok? Unless you are ukrop or russki so you will feel there like in home

>>2792980
Yeah it's fucking boring, me and the boys went there for a weekend a couple months ago. It's just soulless, the people are intolerable, there's not much to see. The nightlife fucking sucks unless you're fond of going home at 1am, taking drugs with faggots or ordering champagne for ukrainian gold-diggers hoping you'll score some. It's what you'd expect from a city full of tryhards trying to prove they're western.
I guess the only good thing is that it's cheap.
t. Krakus

>>2792980
It's alright. I wouldn't say it's something to spend more than 2 days in max, but palace of culture and science is pretty and is probably my favorite skyscraper after the Chrysler building. Old town Is quite charming and you can find tasty food there if you know where to look, there's also some streets from communist times which are cool to see. Basically the place around the communist Poland museum. Besides that, nah. It's just your standard big city with glass skyscrapers everywhere in the center and wannabe westerners. Still worth a visit, but wouldn't stay there for long.

>>2764517 (OP)
How are the women in poland?
Also I heard theres no pavement apes there. Is that true? Sounds like a utopia of hot women and low crime

Pretty pissed that PKP rerouted the TLK 45102 train two fucking days after I booked a room in Brodnica. June 15th was the last day that train tickets were available from Plock to Brodnica. What the hell, Poles?

>>2794102
Not when the only intercity travel is a couple hours on a train or bus between 10 AM and 4 PM. Short-hop travel has all the stimulation of continually new surrpundings, but without the tiresome ordeal of long-haul travel.
>>2794846
Had to download the Kolege Mazowieckie app to buy the Plock to Sierpc train...then it's buses to Brodnica, Grudziadz, and Jablonowo Porkiewierskie before resuming train travel. Jeezus, these Polish names are unpronounceable.

>>2794201
In soviet old town poland, pavement apes you.

>>2794201
>Also I heard theres no pavement apes there. Is that true? Sounds like a utopia
yup. it's a utopia

A bit of advice for cheaper travel 'around' krakow. Go live in Oppeln/Opole, take train to Breslau/Wroclaw or Krakow for a night or two, Opole is like a minature blend of krakow/wroclaw.

>>2795966
>Oppeln/Opole
>Breslau/Wroclaw
fuck off
Opole.
Wrocław.

>>2795966
>stay in Opole
>take a 2 hour journey to Krakow and back every day

>>2772052
>>2769054
Its not crazy at all, because its not true (sadly).
What's crazy is that polish women are cold on foreigners despite being bombarded by globohomo propaganda ever since the berlin wall fell. Maybe because poles still hold to their nationalistic roots. Its not easy to pull in Poland at all unless you can pull locally already. You're not impressing anyone with being foreign, and your money isn't worth that much ever since they become relatively well of. Much better to go further east for sex tourism but post soviet countries aren't safe, unlike Poland. The last decade for sexpatting in Poland was 90's.

t. I've been skipping poland and going straight to slovakia since 2017 for white cunny

Are they chill with black people? Wanna visit, but rather not waste my time if they're hostile.

The Jewish Culture Festival is coming up in Krakow!
>>2796368
You should go there, meet some Jews.

Catching a train out of Lithuania and may stay in Poland for a few days, should I just go to Gdansk for that period? It’s the closest city from where I am. With flights going back to my city.

Also I will visit Poland another time so it’s not the worst thing in the world if I don’t see the other cities. There just isn’t much mention of Gdansk in this thread

there is way to much /pol/ talk in this /trv/ thread, you dickheads need to tone it down a bit

>>2796375
Some events have been cancelled as jews from israel are unable to come over for it, kek.

>>2764612
You are absolutely correct. Krakow is world class, definitely a must visit for any frequent European traveler.
I visited in early January, the buildings looked beautiful in the snow. The whole old town just has a lustrous sheen that I can't describe.
Also it has a great nightlife if you're into that
>>2764517 (OP)
I love Poland, but I wouldn't say it's "Way, way better than Czechia". Poland has more to see since it's just bigger, but Czechia is still pretty and fun. I would say they are on par with eachother

Binjamin Milejkowski
ポーランドの英雄

>>2796684
Isn't Krakow the most expensive city in Poland?

>>2796368
black tourists are welcome, why not?
we even have burqa-wearing Arab tourists in Zakopane the "trad" mountain resort
you can see 2 brown tourists walking freely here: >>2795649

>>2796896
Cool. What do you recommend doing in Gdansk an Krakow?

>>2796684
>wouldn't say it's "Way, way better than Czechia". Poland has more to see since it's just bigger, but Czechia is still pretty and fun. I would say they are on par with eachother
Gdańsk/Tricity-area alone is more fun than Prague, it's also 30 minutes from pic related

>>2764517 (OP)
Everything Poland has some other European country does better
e.g.
> castles
France and Germany
> beaches
any Mediterranean country
> arts and culture
Italy
> hiking
Switzerland
> beer
Belgium, Czechia

It is not underrated at all, and in any case fuck off they're full.

>>2797281
Those countries don't have Polish history

Just flew into Warsaw, took the bus to a new neighborhood on the outskirts with a 76 PLN rental room ($21, it's abnormally cheap for Poland). The city is very pleasant in the warm summer sunshine. Tons of people out and about on the wide walk/bike paths. City buses are busy as well. 3.7 PLN or $1 for a bus ride, but nobody seems to enforce the ticket requirement. Much lower urban noise level than Asia, much cleaner air as well. The new restaurants on the bottom floor of the condo towers are rather pricey, but this isn't Southeast Asia. I better get used to it. Two scoops of fancy ice cream 16.5 PLN, almost $5. Italian pasta plates around 40 PLN, over $10. Kebab is 24 PLN or $6.50, but it's ginormous. Tables aren't set up for solo diners, but the joint is empty in the afternoon. Orderly people don't eat at random times, I guess. I got some ripe raspberries from a roadside farm stand. The market lady made snarky comments to her friend when I inspected her raspberries closely before buying. The ATMs only dispense 50s and 100s, which I've been foisting on annoyed business owners who always want smaller bills. Nobody stares here, it's so different from the Third World. There's a good number of pretty girls even out here in random suburbia. Some migrant workers as well. Immigration stamped me right in, but interrograted the work/education visa holders and even led some away to the office.

There are a few dogmoms and hamplanets here, but far fewer than Colorado. I'm not on any charm offensive here. People can think whatever they want of my vagabond ways. Usually city folks are "live and let live", they don't go out looking to get involved in a stranger's life.

>>2796959
Rent a bike and cycle the Hel peninsula, stopping off at beaches and bars along the way. Can drop off bike at end of the peninsula, then get ferry back.

Malbork Castle is kino as fuck.

Westerplatte Peninsula is a nice day trip if you like WW2 history.

Stogi Beach near Gdansk is a fun local vibe beach. The tram journey there goes through local hoods and has a cool vibe.

You can canoe along the canals

Water taxi is a nice way to get around

Very nice little guesthouse here, a comfy room lined with bookshelves. After eight months of listening to revving motorbikes and breathing their fumes, it's so nice to be free of the nasty things buzzing around so self-importantly. No noise whatsoever here, even though on the map the place looks close to a busy road. Too bad it was only available for one night. IDK why, most of the rooms here are empty.

Days are long up here at 52° latitude. Farthest north I've ever been.

Shit, there's a motorbike revving in the distance. Spoke too soon. The pajeet food delivery menace has arrived in Warsaw. There's more diversity here than some would have you believe. A lot of temp workers from South Asia.

>>2797380
>Days are long up here at 52° latitude. Farthest north I've ever been.
It's all fun and games in the summer. In the winter, it's the wagie's polar night. Leave home at 7 (pitch black), leave work at 4 (pitch black). Makes me wish to change hemispheres every half a year.

>>2797288
> Polish history
is just getting oppressed, pillaged, and slaughtered, with Germans, Russians, and Ukrainians all trying to genocide them
heck, even the Swedes joined in

>>2797568
But you don't see Poles living in lazy squalor while blaming past injustices for everything wrong with their country. Except for this abandoned building, it's full of trash and may have squatter residents. Graffiti is prevalent in Warsaw.

The forests are beautiful.

>>2797582
Agreed.
I was lucky enough to visit Zakopane in winter, pic related.

>>2764612
Is it really that clean or is that a touched up photo?
I really liked cities in the Balkans but all the rubbish is overwhelming eventually.

>>2797652
It's clean but there are a lot of pigeons

>>2797652
Warsaw is very clean, apart from the prevalent graffiti tagging. Poles have great attention to detail in design and maintenance as well. Nothing like the poorly thought-out design, half-assed construction quality and neglected maintenance so prevalent in Asia.

The entrance to the apartment complex. Instead of 50,000 little lawns with white picket fences, one and only one for each household, the city's open space is all publicly shared here. Drivers are very good at respecting pedestrians, even in heavy traffic.

Night walks in Warsaw are KINO. Absolutely recommend it

Poles love being warm. The city bus was 80° inside and half the people were still wearing their jackets. Girls dress modestly and traditionally as a general rule. No fat asses jiggling in stretch pants, no ridiculous fake eyelashes, and only one instance of titties spilling out of a shirt (she gave me a "like what you see, huh?" look). Dresses and skirts are common. For the men, long beards are completely out of fashion here. Guys either shave at intervals or have a neat barbered beard. My scruffy goatee is an aberration. Many Poles clearly disapprove of the vagabond lifestyle, but their poker faces in public mask their reactions pretty well.

>>2797652
Krakow is literally this clean. Especially the old town, which is scrubbed down and washed daily.

>>2797688
>The city bus was 80° inside and half the people were still wearing their jackets.
it was very windy today, probably like 19C outside and RAINING, genius

>>2797786
Half the people think they're gonna freeze or melt in a summer shower, and the other half stroll nonchalantly through the rain in a T-shirt. The early afternoon was perfect, but the darkening skies caught many people by surprise. Also interesting how warm the buildings are here. My room is still 77° F at 10 PM even with the window open all day. Same temp I set the A/C to in the tropics.

Tomorrow I go to Zyrardow, an unremarkable rural town. This hostel has two Nigerians, an Indian, a fat Swedish girl and two 50-something Amerimutts. Many of them are long-term guests. The area has a fair number of street drunks. Booking in advance got me a private room w/ shared bathroom for 103 PLN, much cheaper than the walk-in rate. The SlavChad receptionist is talking nonstop to his favorite hostel girl on the other side of the wall. Bet he gets a steady stream of fresh puss.

>>2797799
Fat Swedish girl needs to be slayed. Order some 3MMC and get her fucked up.

>>2797568
>is just getting oppressed, pillaged, and slaughtered, with Germans, Russians, and Ukrainians all trying to genocide them
>heck, even the Swedes joined in
Not true, Poland was a powerful nation for few centuries, and even under occupation we still tended to fight on. Granted, it gave this country this weird obsession about being oppressed and blaming our problems on Germans and Russians instead of dealing with them ourselves, which I fucking despise as a pole, but oh well, we can't have everything be perfect.

We also are interesting in that we are the most western point of eastern Europe, or the most eastern point of central Europe. So you can visit tons of beautiful catholic and orthodox churches and also eat tons of food that is similar to German, Ukrainian and Belarusian cuisine.

>>2764517 (OP)
Is there anything worth anything east of the Oder?
The only Pole I know looks like Putin's retarded grandson, does polan have anything worth anything that's not just catholic versions of whatever Russia is doing?

>>2797811
>Is there anything worth anything east of the Oder?
Nah, nothing. West of the Oder is the highlight of Poland.

>>2797811
no not really. stay away

>Prices in Thailand: ha sib baht
>Prices in Poland: osiem złotych i sześćdziesiąt cztery grosze
There are eight different coins here. The smallest is worth $0.003 USD. The largest, $1.38. IDC if cashiers get annoyed, because I won't be seeing them again. Even in Warsaw a surprising number of people refuse to speak English.

>>2797885
>Even in Warsaw a surprising number of people refuse to speak English.
Really? When I was there if I asked people if they spoke English in Polish they responded in English. As long as I tried to speak Polish a bit there was a little more luck

>>2797688
Yup Warsaw had cute girls everywhere. My Mom was pretty jealous because she said they were just naturally pretty and don’t need tons of makeup. I also really liked the transit there. I think Warsaw is one of the best places to visit for autists like myself.

This is the check-in info? Seriously? The landlord couldn't be bothered to send a single message himself. When I bought some app calling credits and called his number using a bank's open WiFi in town, he just said "I don't speak English" and hung up on me after 10 seconds. I sent him Agoda messages in Polish, with no response of course. Luckily some other guests were stopping by their room just as I returned to the pokoje, and the guy courteously called the landlord on my behalf. After ten minutes of talking, my friend retrieved some keys that were hanging on the inside of the gate and handed them to me. Otherwise, Zyrardow is a very pleasant small town. Next challenge will be getting my laundry done.

For $31 per night, it's a decent little studio. It has a desk, closet, fridge, range top and cookware...but no towel. 2 km from the train station. The IC train cost 19 PLN ($5) for a 60 km ride with speeds getting as high as 150 km/h. Nobody checked my ticket. My other rides will be on TLK trains, which are slower and make more stops than the IC trains.

>>2797927
i think the IWO (I Went Out) guy posting his Warsaw pics recently is Arabic or Muslim from Malaysia or something? iirc

>>2797976
>Luckily some other guests were stopping by their room just as I returned to the pokoje, and the guy courteously called the landlord on my behalf.
you can always count on the traditional Polish courtesy and Polish hospitality. cheers mate

>>2797979
$31 per night in Zyrardow sounds expensive for Poland. I can get a room in pic related: >>2797184 for less than $15, definitely for less than $20

>>2797979
>>2798011
>I can get a room in pic related: >>2797184 for less than $15, definitely for less than $20
sorry, re-read your post: shared fridge, though.
good that you got something extra for that extra money, maybe its worth it for you if youre autistic and need it all personal

>>2797806
>eat tons of food that is similar to German, Ukrainian and Belarusian cuisine.
Polish cuisine is way better than any of those tho
Kiełbasa >>> wurst any time
Pic related cost me only 50 cents (1,88 zł) it was a frequent promo deal, but even usually it costs almost nothing - $1.5 (5 zł)

>>2798011
>a room for less than $15, definitely less than $20
Thailand-tier room prices in 2025 Poland in the middle of summer? Nah dude. Not happening. You're more than welcome to prove me wrong.
>>2798008
I'm third gen Amerimutt of Polish descent.
Picrel was PLN 55 or $15 USD total. Supermarkets are really great here. Most expensive item was the poppy seed cake. Poles are such good bakers. Interestingly, nobody scuffs their feet when walking here, even when wearing sandals. There's a big event going on downtown, lots of cute girls out and about, a concert stage in the cathedral square, etc.
>>2797931
Lots of eyeliner and mascara in use by the younger women. It makes their light-colored eyes stand out more.

You can still find streets here that have been untouched since USSR times. A picture like this, especially during spring mud season, could create a very inaccurate perception of the general state of Poland.

Barely a minute's walk from the last picture.

Biggest and most enthusiastic crowd out of any free-admission town festival I've seen in any country. Everyone drinking and letting loose. 100.0% White. A guy could definitely get lucky if he wasn't as somber as an undertaker.

The lineup

>>2798072
ha, fiar play. Glad you're having fun anon.
I'm appreciating the posts, keep em up! Great seeing Poland from a n00b's perspective.

Poland actually has Europes biggest free festival: "Pol and Rock" (used to be called Woodstock). About 750,000 people come. Totally free.

The lineups are usually literal whos, but who cares.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwpkArVq-vk

>>2798023
>Thailand-tier room prices in 2025 Poland in the middle of summer? Nah dude. Not happening. You're more than welcome to prove me wrong.
I speak Polish tho. I forgot that not speaking any Polish at all gotta result in a little extra on that price. The folk here aren't desperate like in thailand and couldn't give a damn to learn a lick of English when they have a stable BnB business (not airbnb) with regulars. I guess Im lucky?
My advice is just be a little patient and try integrating a little bit more and you'll catch it, but I guess all that effort isn't worth the $10-20 saved?

>>2798069
this is literally a driveway in a small town, it's what you could find in the US too except this kind of red brick building is nowadays only reserved for the main street in US towns & certainly not any residential area in any small US town

>>2798213
(btw, its private property and we dont have HOA schizo-psychopathy here, so in this case the shared owners of that property simply DGAF and that is that, nothing the central State nor the local authorities can do about that)

>>2798073
oh i know why there's so many people there m8
it's because of Dżem i.e. jam, a legendary band for boomers & drunks, but not the same ever since their legendary leader Rysiek Riedel died in 1994 due to a heart attack from his alcoholism & heroin addiction

>>2798212
I booked all my rooms and transport in early June. 15 nights of lodging in 12 properties cost me 1566 PLN, or 104 PLN per night. That's about as cheap as it gets for online reservations. Everyone travels during summertime, so demand for rooms exceeds the supply. I was amazed at how many properties were already unavailable 3-4 weeks out.
>try integrating a little bit more
Not interested. I'd rather keep moving, see new places every day. My travel preference is more one-night stand than romantic honeymoon. Every one I meet, I will never see again. That's the way it is.
>>2798213
Gutters emptying onto an unpaved lot outside people's front doors is not something you see in American small towns.

I chanced upon the Zyrardow targowisko miejskie (farmer's market) at 2 PM, but everyone was just about closed up. Damn. Still got some cherries from a vendor just as he was putting them in his van. Waved a 10 zloty note around, got about 700 grams of perfect Bing cherries. In Michigan that'd be 10 dollars or more.

A fat Asian boy (probably the son of a nail salon worker) was waiting to cross a road when a passing car shouted some nasty things at him. Sucks to be a visible minority here. My host convinced himself that I was deliberately fucking with him after his messages were not going through to me - but he was still getting my queries.

The solution to unpleasant interactions is to pack my bags and move on to the next thing. The weather changes rapidly and with little warning here. IDK if these people even have coin-op laundromats. You can only hope the sun comes back out to dry your laundry on the line.

>>2798283
That's the town next to my hometown. When i was a child we used to drive to the McDonald's restaurant here because there wasn't any in my town. But from what i experienced, it was the most noticable thing in the town. It had this dilapidating rust belt old industrial town vibe mixed with postcommunist malaise in the 90s. Maybe it has changed now.

>>2798308
I like to judge a town by the people on its streets. But how many of the people I've seen are festival daytrippers from Warsaw? They can afford to line up for 30 zl hot dogs and 35 zl burgers at the food truck. The single chicks seem bolder tonight, a few of them even locked eyes with me. Their last chance for a night of fun before resuming the workweek. They use such wonderful sweet-smelling perfumes. One pretty thing leaning against the barrier to talk to her friend on the outside casually placed her arm against mine and for a moment it was electric...but I gently drew back.

>>2798387
Mate, you need to pick up some drugs and break out of the shell a bit.

>>2798254
>Gutters emptying onto an unpaved lot outside people's front doors is not something you see in American small towns.
do you even know what a gutter is? it's a rainpipe, and i'm sure water in that gutter by the building ends up emptying into a drain by the paved street right behind you

Sorry Amerimutt anon, but you're not posting anything even remotely interesting. Better stop posting now because you're cluttering up the thread with your ordinary experiences in ordinary places

>>2798445
Yeah yeah, you all want some sex fantasy story to jack off to. Buncha deviants on this board.

>>2798497
I like your pics and experiences, who cares about coomers. You interested in any museums? I tried visiting the Polish Army museum last week but some EU thing was there

>>2798497
Keep posting your boring shit. The boring shit but different is what I travel for, unironically.

>>2798572
LOL get a load of Mr. Anthony Bourdain-wannabe

>>2798572
LOL gedda-loada Mr. Anthony Bourdain-wannabe ova 'ere

Kutno is a sleepy town. The most expensive room of my Poland trip at 140 PLN - still the cheapest on offer in town. Hostel Soleil is strangely located on the edge of an industrial sector with metal junkyards and workshops on the far side of town. The owner, a 60 year old lady, was happy to see an American and even put on some classical music while I was cooking dinner in the spotless kitchen. The first genuine welcome of this trip. Returning to my room around 10 PM I saw a pajeet carrying a case of beer to his room. Yep, migrants truly are everywhere...here in Poland they are always alone and minding their own business, unlike other countries where they loiter in groups and harass people.

There seems to be a graffiti war going on in the area between White Power skinheads and Zionist youth gangs, each of them marking their respective symbols on their turf.

Nice to see the girls here hanging out in the park talking IRL instead of staying at home texting nonstop like they do in America. The cool breezy weather is giving way to hot dry conditions as a blast of heat makes its way across Europe. Initial reports suggest temps may get up to 36° for southern Poland. In the north, highs are now forecast at a pleasant 30°.

Twice I've gone looking for a place to piss near a train station and came across a designated shitting area with dirty asswipes strewn about and flies buzzing around. The kicker is, the train stations have 24 hour public restrooms. Why are people shitting in the bushes?

>>2798799
>have 24 hour public restrooms
so, why did you go there?

>>2798799
Oh, this is just a hiding spot for żule. Plenty of these if you know where to look

>>2798797
>Returning to my room around 10 PM I saw a pajeet carrying a case of beer to his room.
is it bad if i find this based?
based integrating jeet

>>2798387
>>2798799
drunken bums cant be bothered to walk all the way to the real toilets

>>2765139
Get a grip faggot

Spent a night outdoors in small town Poland after my hostel reservation in Plock fell through. I called the owner and he was clearly drunk. The first time he hung up on me, the second time he let the call go on while talking shit with his friend and ignoring me. Then he stopped answering the phone for me or anyone else. Nothing to do but contact Agoda and get a refund. I wasn't gonna pay 250 PLN ($70) for a single room in a hotel, so I took the 11 PM train to Sierpc, broke out the puffy jacket and crashed out on a park bench. Some guys pulled up at 2:30 AM, but they didn't bother me. By 3 AM, the sky was already getting light. Figured I might as well warm up and burn some time taking a train roundtrip to Plonsk. Dropped 25 PLN on some sweet breads, then headed back to wait for the 2:45 "Rail Replacement Bus" to Brodnica.

I tried to visit the palace in Kutno, but it was closed. So was the museum nearby. Traveling Poland reveals a lot about American settlement patterns. Much of America was settled by European immigrants, who laid out new towns much like they were in the old country. However, the parts of America which were settled by Amerimutts are soulless car-centric muttsprawl instead of aesthetically pleasing parks and greenways. And thus the two regions of the world diverged...

>>2798387
Holy shit slumdorker, you really need to stop moving around for a while and get laid

One week in Poland is complete!
>Total: 1163 PLN or $46 USD per day
This compares to $41 per day for my first week in Taiwan.
>Lodging: 685 PLN or $31.70 per night
I've been happy with the quality of the budget rooms here. Rooms are well-furnished, clean and comfortable. 3 out of 5 properties had a private bath, 3 out of 5 had reception staff, 4 out of 5 had kitchen facilities.
>Food: 322.5 PLN or $12.79 per day
Food was a mix. Carrefour is a First World-tier grocery store by any measure, and farmer's stalls sell fresh produce everywhere. You can eat very well if you settle in and bring home a tote of groceries, but staying on the move means stuffing your face with a giant kebab or some sugary baked goods - more expensive and less nutritious than a proper cooked meal.
>Transport: 140 PLN or $39 for 491 km covered on eight bus & train trips...$0.08 USD per km
Three times pricier per km than Southeast Asia. The TLK trains have windows that open so you can feel the breeze and hear the clackety clack from your six-seat compartment. The IC trains are much faster and quieter.
>>2799167
The girls here are fully aware of their own beauty, and are coolly judgmental of the guys. If you fall short in her estimation, you'll get frozen out. A lot of the dating strategies espoused on /trv/ involve buttering up insecure slum girls and making them believe that being dumb and brown and monkey-faced is beautiful to you. That strategy will flop here.

My weekly expenses have been steadily rising since January. From a low of $104 to the latest high of $320...
>>2799028
Drunkard diarrhea baking in a porta potty on a hot summer day is one of the worst smells on earth. Soooo much shattered glass on the walkways here. Now I see why every park in America prohibits alcohol and glass bottles. In Zyrardow a drunk slipped and gashed his leg open in some glass broken by a drunk, then trudged for hundreds of meters down the sidewalk leaving bloody footprints and splatters. Karma is a bitch.

Old city wall out my room window in Brodnica. Hellraisers tear-assing down the streets with tires screeching, the usual evening pastime here. So many women have doodles on their skin, and even more guys do. The walls also have doodles all over them. A lot of stereotypical American white trash behavior has its origins in Europe, interesting.

Got refused laundry service again, despite it being listed as an amenity at this property. Everyone does their laundry at home here in rural Poland. Lots of refusals here, sullen defensive refusals. Some people walk about with eyes so hooded you can't read their expression whatsoever. Open curiosity is rare; most people avoid eye contact for more than a split second. Only the young lovers and a few blessed souls have an aura of happiness. Unlike America, nobody feels uncomfortable or unsafe next to a silent moody stranger here, nor is there any urge to smile and say "hello" to someone else for merely being nearby. It's when I try to engage people that they become rude in an aversive manner, the same way you'd react to a pestering drunk trying to chat with you.

>>2799240
>Unlike America, nobody feels uncomfortable or unsafe next to a silent moody stranger here, nor is there any urge to smile and say "hello" to someone else for merely being nearby
I think this is just a slav thing. I have friends from Russia and Czechia and they act the same. You have first to know someone to laugh with them. We all also bond over misery. I doubt you will be accepted though, cause you probably don't know how to complain the right way. Certainly don't complain about Poland to people on street. You can only do that if you are Polish.

I've lived a bit in western Europe and the smiling and friendliness felt weird to me. Especially when some random person said hi to me. I just started at them confused every time it happened. I always said hi after a second or two as I reminded myself that this is normal. Also everyone said I have a sad face. Funny to see the other side.

>>2799224
Have you been seeing empty pints and half pints of vodka left on top of ledges , benches or electrical boxes? Last time i was there , i stayed in a smalll mountain town, and I saw glass bottles scattered all about, and they were still there 6 days later.

>>2799259
It's strange being in a culture where drinking is basically a human right. The only 24 hour stores here are alkohole shops. A 500 mL bottle of good beer can be had for 2.69 zlotys. You can drink anywhere except public transport. Eventually someone will come around cleaning the streets with a broom and dustpan, but in small villages it might be a while.

>>2799356
You cannot legally drink in any public places, although this law is only selectively executed.
At last some foreigner is actually discovering the dirty side of Poland, i am tired with explaining people that the real life here is not like they saw in the market square in Cracow or Warsaw CBD.

>>2799358
The summertime greenery and bright skies do make the countryside look idyllic. It's when you interact with the people that you get a sense of how grim the year-round life is here for the average Joe.

Lots of strange odors in the older parts here, coming from factories and musty old buildings. I spent the first six years of my life in a small Polish immigrant town with an abandoned factory in New Jersey, so some of the smells induce a sense of nostalgia. But there's no way I would settle in here to the life of a small town loser with a dead-end job, a basic apartment and a couple drinking buddies to bullshit with.

Pretty girls everywhere on a warm day showing off their belly buttons. Many more than in America. The drunkard losers here seem impotent and uninterested in women, so the girls don't stay indoors fearful of rapey creeps like they do in America. It's hard not to stare like a lustful pajeet, desu.

Old women rule the roost. Polish businesswomen use the slightest pretext to get annoyed and scold me. It gets tiresome dealing with such sour people. Which is the point, I guess. They hope you go away and don't come back. Might as well put a sign up that says "The Customer Is Always Wrong".

5 zl worth of ingredients, plus 33.6 zl for the taxman, the absentee owner and the four bitchy girls idling around an empty restaurant. That about sums up the Poland dining experience.

>>2799536
>da grasso
it's a chain restaurant. don't eat in those.

>>2764517 (OP)
This guy posting pics needs a vlog. Getting huge 'idiot abroad' vibes here. Kinda amusing to follow.

>>2799552
Merely disproving the whole
>Poland is underrated
/trv/ meme. The country has many shortcomings from a traveler's perspective, most glaringly in the food & attitude department. Only in Poland would a property owner blatantly disregard my prepaid reservation and leave me sleeping on a bench, or get furious and use abusive language toward a guest because his messages weren't getting through the day before. Only in Poland is the freaking McDonalds seen as a desirable place to eat instead of the lowest tier of goyslop. Only in Poland do produce vendors get butthurt when a customer inspects their offerings for quality and ripeness. Only in Poland are park walkways strewn with shards of broken glass. Reliable public transport and plentiful green spaces are where this country shines, but that's it. Poland is definitely less of a high-trust society than Thailand or Malaysia. Cash registers have a locking lid here that blocks the customer's view of the contents, and bicycles are always secured with hefty locks.

>>2799685
Honestly, please make a vlog. You have a naive enthusiasm and drive which would get mad clicks. It's genuinely fascinating reading your perception of everything.

>>2799685
The thing about the bums and broken glass is true. For the rest I genuinely wonder what the hell you are doing to get these kind of responses. It shouldn't be that negative so long you know how to explain yourself. Unless it's cause they just know you a foreigner + you are doing some stupid shit.

When it comes to dining, go somewhere that actually serves Polish food. We don't eat often in mcdonals. Go to a milkbar or some pierogarnia. Try pierogi ruskie, placki ziemniaczane or knedle.

Grudziadz walled city is beautiful. My room with shared bath on a very quiet street is only 80 zloty, but the owner wanted a 500 zl damage deposit. Ridiculous. I had to fork over one of my emergency $100 bills to check in. Then they gave me the wrong entry code. At least the travel agency guy who checked me in was friendly and conversant in English. The owner, like 90% of small town Poles I've encountered, speaks no English.
>>2799756
In case you haven't figured out yet, I don't understand Polish. Written words like przystanek, dworzec or haslo I can pick up, but spoken Polish I'm hopeless.

Incel food

>>2799705
I go days without speaking a single complete sentence to anyone. How's that for naïve enthusiasm? Writing about a place reserves it a spot in my memory. Once the previous day's experiences are neatly shelved, one's attention can return to the present.

>>2799775
>>2799685
>amerimutt autistic pedo gets mental damage after visiting Poland, the most normal country for normals in the entire world, and realizing he's a disgusting freak who no one wants anything to do with not because murrica muh libtards but because he's actually a dysgenic disgusting freak
kek oh my days

gee, i wonder why the OP said Poland is underrated for /trv/

>>2799424
>Old women rule the roost. Polish businesswomen use the slightest pretext to get annoyed and scold me. It gets tiresome dealing with such sour people. Which is the point, I guess. They hope you go away and don't come back. Might as well put a sign up that says "The Customer Is Always Wrong".
you're literally complaining about universal boomer characteristics - "fuck you, got mine"

>>2799358
>At last some foreigner is actually discovering the dirty side of Poland, i am tired with explaining people that the real life here is not like they saw
>>2799356
>>2799259
>i stayed in a smalll mountain town, and I saw glass bottles scattered all about, and they were still there 6 days later.
most of the drunkards are literally liberals crying over getting totally and utterly REKT by the PiS party and Based Kaczyński
the U.S. equivalent are wine aunts making salty tiktoks/twitter/plebbit posts while drunk, the only difference is U.S. libs have a modicum of shame and conformism and adjusting to the situation, while Polish libs got used to being "with it" for most of the first 25 years of the Third Republic, and ever since 2015 it's catastrophe after catastrophe for them, the lib MSM media don't help

>>2799783
pic related - the latest thing that devastated libs
they're completely buckbroken now because this means the reforms of the PiS will practically never be reversed, while they had high hopes after the October 15, 2023 parliamentary election that 8 years of the right-wing government will not only be reversed but progressive BS will be advanced & all within the next 1-2 years! the future looked so bright!

AND THEN BAM:

>>2799756
>or knedle.
or whaaat? you mean kluski śląskie? Silesian dumplings

Grudziadz is really charming. It's amazingly tranquil and the happiest place I've visited yet. Lots of people down by the river watching the sunset, or dining alfresco at the plaza eateries. Seagull cries and human chatter make the soundtrack, not revving vehicles or humming industry. The ramparts of the fortress city tower above the river, surrounded by swallows gorging on insects. This will be my last two-day stay in Poland.
>>2799779
Butthurt much? My experience reveals the fact that parts of Poland are unfriendly and shitty for visitors, just like every other country I've been to. Then you cross an invisible line, and now everything's great.

>>2799775
Sounds amazing. I imagine an Adam Curtis esque view of the world a la:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke600MgW1F0

(trauma zone is peak kino btw - a compilation of footage from russia from 1985 - putin. No speaking, just unique clips).

>>2799783
>>2799784
meds
>>2799685
>only in Poland is the freaking McDonalds seen as a desirable place to eat instead of the lowest tier of goyslop.
I'm genuinely curious, how did you even arrive at this conclusion? This hasn't been the case since the 90s. Eating at McD's is basically the equivalent of grabbing a kebab when you're drunk or in a hurry, it's not a fancy venue by any stretch.

lmao, funny house decoration
this isn't muttland so there's nobody to get offended

>>2799811
>The ramparts of the fortress city tower above the river
it's actually granaries. i believe the river changed direction and the granaries formed a bank of the Vistula

>>2799963
oh damn that's edgy. someone put a lot of effort into that

>>2800065
>>2799963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAexp0w3H3c
How would this song go down in the muttland shithole?

Saw a trad Polish girl wearing a knee-length dress and sitting at a picnic table with her girlfriends next to the river path...except her arm was wrapped around one knee, with her dress wide open and her little white panties in plain view of everyone walking by. 20-something girls are all feeling horny in this warm summery weather, but they remain sexless because they only want a guy who looks like Brad Pitt.

A river otter swam by giving me curious looks before vanishing beneath the surface.

>>2800088
man Grudziądz is so under-invested for being such a picturesque 100k town in Poland
doesnt help that its a flyover city

>>2800088
>they remain sexless because they only want a guy who looks like Brad Pitt.
you're so pathetic it's unreal.

Olsztyn has a beautiful lake near town perfect for summer holiday fun. Only 78 zloty for a private room in the lovely centrum at Hotel Wysoka Brama...if you can find a vacancy, that is. Apart from the departing streetcars, it's pretty quiet. Room curtains are useless at blocking out the light here. It seems these people hate sleeping in complete darkness.

A negro migrant approached me in a tiny railroad town asking how to get to an even smaller village in the countryside. There's a smattering of foreigners everywhere you go here, but they're rarely seen taking their leisure in the city center.

The basement restaurant here offered trout for 29 zl, but it was already closed at 8 pm. Carrefour also closed by 8 pm. Bakeries all closed as well. It's either KFC or Zabka for avocado and cream cheese sandwiches.

Walking out on a peninsula jutting into the lake I passed a guy sitting butt naked on a log with his back to the trail and his junk on display. Farther on, two other (clothed) faggots were lurking around looking nervous over my arrival. I found a different way back and left them in peace.
>>2800146
None of this is about me, tardface. I am merely relaying my observations regarding the large number of attractive women who never have a man by their side.

So far I've encountered four rail carriers (besides PKP Intercity) which offer rail service in Poland, with lower prices and far more departures than PKP.
>Łódzka Kolej Aglomeracyjna
>Koleje Mazowieckie
>Arriva
>PolRegio
Their services often do not show up on Google Maps, particularly for the second two. You have to download each company's app and search for tickets on it. Undoubtedly other regions of Poland also have their regional transport companies.

Still warm from the oven

>>2800387
These are all regional carriers, hence lower prices
>>2800385
Oh, you've found the "refugees" Germany is sending through the border. My condolences.

>>2765627
>watch jewish propaganda to contextualize a fucking lake
inoperable

>>2766721
Don't. It's an absolute, commercial shithole. They are rude, non local, and don't deserve a dime

>>2795649
There's increasingly more blacks even in cities like katowice. Stop repeating the old based polan meme. It wasn't true then and certainly isn't true now. It's better than the west but that's not saying much

>>2800146
But that's literally true. Polish women have their minds poisoned by social media.

Neat location for a budget hotel in Olsztyn, but with my room so bright it was tough to stay asleep.

The train to Szcztyno - seven freakin consonants in a row! - was nearly two hours late. Back among sour-faced people again. An angry man punched someone's door in passing while walking with his friend, who was trying to get him to talk it out. The fruit vendor gave me a bag of half-rotten strawberries, rang it up for 15 zloty, printed the receipt and pressured me to pay. If I was paying full price I only wanted the ones suitable for snacking, but she dumped the bag out in a huff and crumpled up the receipt, telling me to go away. It's always the women with the bitchy attitudes. I never have a problem with the guys. The guesthouse owner was friendly, but suffering from a case of appallingly putrid flatulence. Had to breathe through my mouth when checking in.

Kids heading out on their summer camping adventure after getting off the train in Szcztyno. The boys and girls are in separate groups, but they still go camping together.

Salad-stuffed cheeseburger for 17 zl (about $4.50). The patty was very disappointing, like a boiled sausage patty. Not even grilled. Malaysian burgers are so much better for less than half the price.

>>2800606
wew, thats all you took from that?
poisoning the well is bigger kikery than knife in the water btw, think on it.

>>2800614
who doesnt? we feel the impact bigger on those who are least corrupted. comparing krakow to london, though, fuck... keep some perspective.

>>2800608
>stop repeating the old video from 2025 showing various street-level shots from the most touristy avenue in the 3.3 million metropolis of Warsaw

I think Poland has the 2nd most abundant gorgeous women (UA is #1) . Anyone else agree or what countries will I have to visit to change my mind?

With the nine-month mark approaching on this trip, travel fatigue has begun to set in. Oh well. Three nights left in Poland, then six nights in Lithuania, one night in Istanbul, and one night in Denver. That about does it for this year.
>>2800855
Yeah, almost everywhere you go here, you're bound to spot at least one eye-catcher. If you like brown girls, this obviously isn't the place to be. Some girls here love tanning, but most are pale.

>>2799784
>Nawrocki is an Atlanticist
How come the right wing parties there prefer American-oriented policy over EU?

>>2801044
Bitching about the EU is an extremely easy way to build popular support. That's all there really is to it. Pay it no mind, the European right wing always says one thing to its voterbase and then does the other when they're in Brussels.

>>2800676
Those are big bags. Man I gotta get /out/ more