Thread 2782626

For those of you that have lived in the United States and traveled a lot, what's your opinion on the United States? If given a choice, would you still choose to live there?

I know it's a large place and it can vary greatly depending on the region.

>>2782626 (OP)
America has one of the best road networks in the world when it comes to exploration. Few other countries in Earth have so many thousands and thousands of roads that go away from human habitation and provide access to uninhabited natural spaces.

Of course, huge stretches of the country are 99% populated and have very little appeal to the traveling explorer apart from the occasional small nature preserve. They are full of back roads, but every single road you drive along has houses alongside it, and their inhabitants are increasingly hostile toward strangers poking around in their neck of the woods.

The bold, easy confidence that Americans are historically known for has been replaced by anti-social suspicion and insecurity thanks to rampant drug abuse in rural areas. Christcuck do-gooders really get on my nerves. They don't like or trust you, but they HAVE TO be nice to you because Jeezus says to love your enemy. Dishonest hypocrites.

As a result, traveling America in 2K +25 can make you feel very anti-social, visiting towns only to exploit their resources...buy groceries, fill your water bottles, look at historical buildings, stop in at the library, visit the pretty little town parks...then heading off into bumfuck nowhere to get away from people and smoke your weed in a serene natural setting.

The only liveable parts of the US are the 90% White regions in the mountain west or New England, real estate is expensive and high paying jobs in these regions are rare; as they're mostly tourist destinations or retirement locations.

I'd live in a suburb within the green circle given the choice.

>>2782834
why does the "most/only" livable part of a country have no jobs? lol

>>2782656
The American spirit has been systematically destroyed by the most effective resource-hoarding institutions the world has ever seen.

>>2782656
>Christcuck do-gooders really get on my nerves. They don't like or trust you, but they HAVE TO be nice to you because Jeezus says to love your enemy. Dishonest hypocrites.
Stay in your pod

>>2782626 (OP)
If you can't find a nice place to live in the USA you are so fucking stupid and deserve death. If you live here you better make White babies and a life of hedonism because you won the genetic lottery and you better respect that FACT.

If you can afford it, the best place in the US to live is on the west coast of California between Newport Beach California and San Clemente California. They have the best weather, some of the best beaches, hottest women, diverse cuisine and pretty much any outdoor activity is within a 2 hour drive. International flights are cheap from Southern California. You have great proximity to a lot of the best National Parks. The California music and festival scene is amazing. The crime in this area is significantly lower than almost any heavily populated area of the US. People think of California as being liberal, but Newport Beach is one of the most republican cities in the US. San Clemente is also very republican. The downside is the cost of housing and rent and the taxes.

If I could move anywhere in the world, I'd probably look for a beach in the south of Europe somewhere, Portugal, southern Spain, Croatia, southern France or Italy.

>>2782626 (OP)
I'm from Southern California and like it overall, but I don't have any desire to live anywhere else in America. I don't romanticize or idealize rural America or other parts of the country, it just seems like a soulless void to me with Dollar Generals, crappy food, somewhat fake people who judge you but pretend to be nice. The politics are insufferable as well. I've been through some of the most right-wing areas of Europe and nobody is wearing their local far-right politician's shirt. Whereas in America, you can't go a few days without seeing an obese person wearing a maga shirt.

I've traveled through much of Europe and while it has its problems, the quality of life/standard of living is much higher in terms of housing, cultural amenities, architecture, sociability, etc. I'd choose to live somewhere in West/Central Europe if I got the chance.

>>2782626 (OP)
I’m an American who has traveled very widely, and also had the opportunity to live for extended periods abroad. I’ve been based in Switzerland for most of the past decade, and early in my life and career I spent a few years living and working in Asia (mostly Thailand, but I also spent extended time in Singapore and Hong Kong, and less extended time in Laos).

Whenever I have been based abroad, there have always been things that I miss. In Switzerland, I miss a lot of food and a lot of convenience/consumer things. I miss large, highly functional washers and dryers. I miss being able to shop after 8PM or on Sundays, or get things delivered online. In Asia, I missed blending in, and a few categories of Western foodstuffs. I also missed temperate weather.

And everywhere I’ve lived, and most places I’ve visited (70+ countries), I’ve encountered things that I found superior to their American counterparts.

So there’s no really easy answer. My family actually made the decision in the middle of last year to go back to the US for a while at least, and it’s hard not to feel anxious about it—I’m not happy with the direction the country is going at the moment, and I anticipate a worse quality of life than the one I remember. But I choose to remain optimistic that it will be worth it in the intermediate-long run. If not, I’ll bail again.

>>2782626 (OP)
>If given a choice, would you still choose to live there?
I would prefer to live somewhere else. The U.S. is becoming too dangerous and expensive.

Japan is, incredibly, much cheaper to live in, if you don't demand a Tokyo penthouse apartment and hostess-bar visits every night. And while they try to hide some of the criminal activity there, from a physical security standpoint it's much better than the U.S. -- no international robbery tourism gangs, no homegrown violent underclass, no corporate "we'll use defective parts because the cost savings is higher than the amount we'll have to pay out in settlements" scumbaggery.

>>2782626 (OP)
>what's your opinion on the United States?
Frankly, amercans focus a lot on consumerism it's quite annoying.
>would you still choose to live there?
Only if the pay is really good, otherwise, other countries could offer more quality of life, obviously, that is a personal choice.

>>2782626 (OP)
Yes its #1 for a reason. Every single way a life can be had here but do not come because we are full.

>>2783013
Fat people dont exist there which is the only reason you need.

>>2782626 (OP)
>lived in the United States
Am living there right now
>and traveled a lot
This is debatable, I've only been to three other countries

>If given a choice, would you still choose to live there?
Yes, but I want to move states. I grew up in and live in Texas, and basically everyone I know is trying to leave the state because the Californian infestation has become unbearable with how overwhelmed the roads have become, plus a lot of the Californian transplants are assholes. Dunno what state I want to move to, but I might copy >>2782836's idea and move to somewhere in the Chesapeake Bay area since I visited DC recently and thought it was chill compared to what we've got in Texas these days.

>>2783820
>Every single way a life can be had here but do not come because we are full.
Aside from one with a decent and accessible service industry. SEA has it beat for middle class+ utilizing services. USA goods mogs many places though or service for $$$$$

>>2782843
Because high paying jobs only exist in cities, American cities are no go zones so to get high paying jobs and avoid the groid you have to live a hour and a half drive away from all downtown areas.

>>2782836 #
Hahaha, lmao. You circled the brown, overtaxxed, overpriced, overcrowded traffic filled shithole of the east coast. I grew up in that circle, 5 minutes from the bay and besides the 5 days I spent on the water a year, living there was hell. Before 2020 or pre Freddy gray you could actually enjoy DC and Baltimore before they became yuppie/groid containment areas.

>>2784073
he siad suburb

>>2783852
>I grew up in and live in Texas, and basically everyone I know is trying to leave the state

I was in the same situation last year and finally pulled the triggered and moved states. Everyone I know that still lives in DFW is in complete denial of the current situation. Completely different place than 10 years ago and the only people who still like it haven't traveled farther than Louisiana or Oklahoma.

Get out while you can.

>>2784123
>I was in the same situation last year and finally pulled the triggered and moved states. Everyone I know that still lives in DFW is in complete denial of the current situation.
where did you jaunt out to?
DFW was heavily currified when I visited for my friend's (white man to white woman) wedding.

What would you describe "the situation" as though? Seems a lot of people move there for young professional jobs. It just sucks where they move *from*

I grew up in one of the nicest areas and I still chose to leave because the culture sucks, the money sucks, life sucks. I am more free abroad and I can find the same climate with some cultural immersion. I learned six languages and been gone 14 years.

>>2783030
The urban crowding, proximity of blight to extreme affluence, high gas prices, insolent negros and general "fagoffwerful" mentality make SoCal very unattractive. I'd much rather be in northern Michigan's small towns in summertime, even though the girls are mostly fat and pasty and not worth looking at. Enjoying great farm market produce for much less than the fancy grocery stores charge. Camping in the forest for free, not having to park up on some filthy homeless street with the cripples and druggies.

>>2784123
False. My brother been all over the country and chose east Texas because $150K there gets him a 3 bedroom ranch house with 10 beautiful wooded acres and no neighbors in sight. Eight miles to H-E-B in town, and daily Greyhound bus service as well.

>>2783030
Your standard of living is high when you travel in Europe because you make 4 times more than they do for the same job. The average yearly salary in places like Spain, France, Portugal and Italy is $30,000. In Czech, Croatia, Poland and Hungary, it's more like $20,000. So yea, you're going to enjoy Europe when you travel because you can live large.

>>2782836
Good, there's not enough foreigners in the armpit of the nation. Please tell me you're brown too

>>2784356
Nah, i'm white. Here is my passport pic from the last /trv/ passport thread.

>>2784091
Mid Atlantic, tri state and new England suburbs are still traffic filled hell holes. A trip to the grocery store is a 20 minute drive, a trip anywhere else is a 40 minute drive.

>>2784181
We moved to Virginia. I can't speak for the entirety of Texas but the DFW situation, for me, was this:
>insanely high property taxes
We doubled our house size and our property taxes are still less than in Texas
>home Insurance
Same situation, our home insurance is literally 1/4 of what we were paying in Texas
>Fucking toll roads
Haven't paid a toll since moving
>Traffic
It's really bad now. Literally taking 10 minutes just to cross the first traffic light next to our house during rush hour.
>The weather sucks
A big one for me. When the temps were tolerable it came with really bad weather (hail, high winds, potential torandos). Our house, lawn, FOUNDATION, were in constant need of repair.
Once it heats up, all you want to do it is sit inside. That's why everyone is fat as fuck.
>literally zero public land
If you want to do more outdoor stuff your options are dwindling
>Scammers
The assholes who moved to Texas think everyone is an idiot. We had our AC go out and every fucker, whom I can tell wasn't from there, would try to use every slimy sales tactic and charge 3x market.

The only reason it was tolerable was because it used to be really cheap. Those days are over

>>2784211
I can only speak for DFW. All I know is there wasn't a lot out in East Texas when I visited family.

>>2784416
>A trip to the grocery store is a 20 minute drive, a trip anywhere else is a 40 minute drive.
I currently live in a northern Virginia suburb and I have 2 grocery stores within walking distance and 4 or 5 more within 5-10 minute drive.

40 minutes gets me into DC.

yeah, having lived in cambodia and italy for a few years each, taking trips around sea and eu and hanging out with the ngo class from other countries, i wouldn't move anywhere else beyond a couple years and definitely wouldnt try to immigrate anywhere else. nowhere else had as much access to the wilderness for a weekend trip as driving out to blm land and parking on the side of an old logging road for a hike. it seems like most of the fun travel in other countries is still very accessible to tourists while seeing the hoops krauts have to go through to go on a proper road trip and through hike would make it feel like a work trip. also i like my guns and i like chill outdoor ranges with cheap mexican food nearby.

>>2784209
California has more free camping than pretty much any state in the US but Utah. There is so much empty state and federal park land in the mountains. There's literally a 1000 miles of mountain range. As far as feral blacks, they're only a problem in LA, Oakland area and San Bernadino. Coastal California is extremely safe with the exception of a few beaches in LA County. We're talking 1,000+ miles of pristine coastline and nice little towns.

>>2782626 (OP)
>what's your opinion on the United States
The US has its faults but compared to the task of immigrating to another country, quality of life (both housing and job balance), cost of living, and so on... Nothing else comes close. I work in the tech sector, Europe is basically a downgrade in all ways for my work or job market, Asia is just laughable unless I decide to go for some ultra specialized shit or work as a US contractor at a base, anywhere in the southern hemisphere is laughable.


Most people I know who go "t3h USA sux..." are the people I have bumped into at hostels or cheap bars abroad who's it's their first time traveling and they are being an extrovert for the first time. If the place you live in sucks just move as believe it or not the USA isn't all the same all over. If it's all the same to you, then you're probably poor and introverted who thinks a "night on the town/bar alley to check out women" is heading to some cheap bar like applebees or some pub while getting made it's +35 y/o women.

>>2784209
we are literally beyond full. i have like 60 etended family memebers who had to move to aruzona alone in 1 decade.
spics and americans doing an epic bussiness venture need to die.
of course EVERY american whi moves here will rep their home pride to the fullest, call shit thats normal here weird. and of course they will never go back, why would they go back to a flyover shithole with 6 dollar minimum wage and crimerates greater than the whole of eastern europe?
all while they make fools of themselves publicly, and have people from their own state claim "california bad"
u should not be able to own a home/stay more than 3 years here unless 1 of your grandparents were born here.

as for OP i was just in norway this morning and already miss it, just got to prague and i feel everybody kind of fucking hates everybody.

nigger infested shithole full of fat mentally ill retards controlled by fat mentally ill jews

everyone is medicated, armed, opinionated, and hyper-fragile, you couldn't pay me to move back, and I would rather rot in a shitty third world shack than tolerate niggerloving american retards and especially shitty old white women for 5 more minutes

source: lived in USA for 15 years of adulthood

>>2782626 (OP)
The core belief of the American man is that you get what you deserve and you deserve what you get. Might makes right, in other words. This is directly at odds with the enlightenment principles on which the nation was founded, and this idiosyncratic belief system is the root of our problems. You have the freedom to slave away for your boss, the reasoning to pick your favorite dogma, and an equal chance to step on your fellow man.
There’s no sense of common good or community. Hell there’s not even a sense of mutual benefit. If something benefits you a little but someone else more, it would be un-American to support. Fuck them, they can eat shit. It doesn’t matter how good you have it, only that you have it better than others.

All in all this results in a system that oppresses and restricts the individual, while nominally being for the individual. Blind self-interest eventually acts to its own detriment. It’s anti human. And this bears out in day to day interactions too. The people are superficially nice, but mostly they are vain, materialistic, and fake.

With all that in mind, there are still good places to live. The west coast, PNW, places in the rockies, NYC, some parts of New England, etc.
Outside of those places, and for people who aren’t in the top ~25% of earners, it is decidedly worse than almost every other first world nation.

>>2785951
>would I move
Yeah easily.
>would I move permanently
Dunno. It’s hard to say without trying it first. For all our problems, we do have some real benefits. Pay, not least of all.
Gun to my head I wouldn’t leave, but that’s mostly just because it’s the devil I know.

>>2785951

My limited experience abroad has led me to the conclusion that the US is just an economic zone more than a country. The system is now so corrupt our "elites" don't even need to conceal their malfeasance any longer (democrat or republican). The average person is treated as a disposable part to be used and discarded as needed with almost no safety net. Sure, our salaries are higher but you're literally competing on with an international job market. That pay disparity quickly evaporates when insurance, admin fees, predatory industries, private equity firms start picking your pockets. All of this is enabled by institutions that should be protecting its citizens. Your entire existence and well being hinges on how subservient you are to the system.

I just don't have enough experience abroad to determine if this is just simply the human experience or if this is uniquely an American standard. Happy to be corrected if my perspective is warped.

I live here, the PNW specifically for all of my 31 years. This country is starting to drive me insane. At this point I'm am completely uninterested in my community, politics or anything that benefits the greater good of my surroundings.

By all traditional metrics of my peers I am successful. I own a single family house, i make 100k+ a year and I have a 401k valued at over 200k. I've done everything right thus far and still feel so morose about the present and the future. I work in healthcare where the money is good but nearly every day I'm reminded of my future and the lives of my compatriots.

>>2785951
Is pretty spot on with their description. At this point I feel I really only have two options.

1. Get some girl pregnant and distract myself with children for the next 20+ years, its what all my friends are doing
2. Work another 10 years and cash out every asset I have and move to cheap Latvian country side to drink myself to death

I'm taking a leave of absence(unpaid of course) from work this fall. I have a two month rental set up next to a lake in Bavaria. I need more frequent breaks from this country as I get older.

>>2783663
>he doesn't know about the missive to mass import brown people
>he doesn't know the exponential relationship between number of brown people and number of violent crimes

>>2785981
My doomer crash-out plan is to stay illegally in japan and hunt and kill niggers and indians as a vigilante for as long as possible before being caught by japanese authorities.

Japan has brought me more joy than any other entity/country. I would fight and die to defend them (from themselves).

>>2785951
lol
what a retarded limp wristed faggot
eat your bugs and sleep in your closet
pussy
hahahahaha

>>2785987
impossibly based
worthy of song and praise

>>2785987
had similar with how un-subhuman like 90% of their women are (for reccord i like women in general im not a woman hater) but they seemed noticably less fake, i would defend them from disgustinf sex tourist scum if given chance. japan has always vuewed me as an outsuder in a positive way, unlike most everywhere else who DONT want you to be different than they are and own it.

>>2785987
>>2786002
>>2786012
Let's form an Anti-Gaijin-Gaijin-League or AGGL and work towards a gaijin-free Japan.

Once the last gaijin has left, we will commit honorable seppeku and statues will be erected in our honor.

>>2785987
>>2786002
>>2786027
Impossibly gay

>>2785951
>there are still good places to live
>NYC
This board must be filled with the most degenerate fags on the planet that live purely on tiktok.

>>2782626 (OP)
The US is basically the only country you can actually dynamically live your life in. Everywhere else is just not meant for living dynamically.
>hit up Round One arcade in the morning and be a degenerate gacha weeb trying to win sexy figurines
>go for a hike after in the genuine wilderness
>eat at a nice and quiet family restaurant in the evening full of happy people
>come back to your big home with a beautiful yard and just relax with no worries other than "damn work tomorrow"
And you can replace those activities with literally anything you want virtually no matter where you live unless it's really rural, like you don't have to live downtown in a city to get mass entertainment despite being surrounded by sprawling nature. You just can't do that anywhere except US, Canada, Australia. The problem with Canada/Australia is of course you're paid like a dog relative to how weak your economy is as the main problem, not to touch politics/freedom. And of course most of Europe just doesn't have shit to do on top of no wilderness/worse economy. A casual fun activity like Top Golf is unheard of in 90% of the continent.

>>2785951
>good places to live
>NYC
You couldn't get more dog-eat-dog economic zone capitalist dystopia than NYC, unless you go to a Third World megacity where all that ruthless competitive slavery shit is 10x worse.

The truth is, as long as you don't badmouth the Jews, you can live as you please in America. Find your tribe and all that. There is more cooperation than competition when you dive into American life, particularly among churchgoers. And since BLM, bodycams and fat lawsuits paid by city taxpayers, the American police have gotten much, much less heavy-handed and more respectful of people's rights.

The human truth remains; if you're a shit person, good people will socially ostracize you in America. They don't waste their limited love and caring on a hopeless cause.

>>2786544
You've got that backwards. Golf is a common pastime across America, but you've gotta be a member to afford five rounds a week. Europe's food scene mogs America's. Arcades, skating rinks, malls, bowling alleys are dying out all across America. Americans prefer to hang out with people they know in a semi-private setting. Eating Sysco food at an overpriced family restaurant chain is bad for health and wallet alike. And doesn't Europe have tons of walking/biking trails for outdoor rec? Probably more than America has. I'll be visiting Poland in a month to see how it compares to heartland America.

>>2786544

Retard. There is nothing dynamic about driving to an arcade, driving to go on a walk in the countryside, driving to a restaurant, then driving to your single family house that is a half hour walk from anything that isn't another single family house.

WTF does "live dynamically" even mean? You can do all of those things in any developed country in the world even undeveloped. Are the French not "living dynamically" when they go buy some fucking cheese? What are you even trying to say?

The only thing you said that makes any sort of sense is access to genuine nature. That's really only true in the western states. The immediate land usage outside American cities eas oft the Mississippi is agriculture or suburban hellscape. The whole eastern seaboard is a fucking strip mall. The whole state of New Jersey is a days drive from any inspiring "genuine wilderness"

>>2786515
>>2786614
You can’t stay in NYC rent free, so why let NYC stay in your head rent free?

>>2786622
lol wtf are you even talking about moron. I've lived in the southeast my whole life and there's amazing nature anywhere within at most 30 minutes of driving. Just go ahead and kys now, you're probably a disgusting yankee with wop blood. Ew.

>>2782834
The mountain west is getting taken over too man, it won’t stay white for long

>>2786622
>That's really only true in the western states.
Touch grass. The east coast has plenty of good state parks and other locations that are well worth going to. This board is so fucking dog shit. You guys likely don't even go outside.

>>2783663
You will be a "nigger" to the japanse.

You don't have peddlers in hawkers like India or other turd world countries but literally every public space and urban area is full of drug addicted schizophrenics. There is absolutely nowhere that is not privatized where you'll be hustled out for trying to enjoy it without spending money or there's tent cities and violent blacks and raving schizophrenic lunatics. There's even a Venn diagram of this in America's favorite third place, Starbucks.

Depending on where you go, things will be passive aggressive, outwardly hostile overpriced and still there will be reeking drug addicted mentally ill people directly outside the place you just got your $14 matcha latte at.

The normal US person is also very psyoped and dripping crazy. Most people I know have had a violent encounter with someone and lifted pickup truck. The targeted mental illness inducing campaigns leave no one untouched. The people in cities will be wearing masks and operating some organic New Zealand wool storefront that loses $10,000 a month and is just their husband's money laundering operation but then hold you for a conversation about safe injection sites and mental health crisis outreach. The people outside of wealthy coastal cities think that Jesus Christ told Elon musk to cut Medicaid and this is part of a prophecy involving Israel and the Battle of Armageddon. The young people are slimy apathetic ghouls addicted to email job performance enhancing drugs and hit themselves in the face with hammers because they think their soft facial bone structure is the reason they can't physically be in a room alone with a woman.

I live in Hawaii if I didn't have to earn money. The population was vigorous and healthy and the people were not as mentally ill as on the mainland. For you guys there's also a revolving door of people that go there just to have consequence-free sex and let their guard down which is I'm pretty sure what you guys are looking for.

>>2787591
Mixing is the whole point of America, and why foreigners love visiting the country

>>2787704
I have 2.5m. I always wonder if I should go there and get a job, or retire to Costa Rica.
Social media has made everyone I know so angry and miserable. Im just wondering where actual happy people live who dont have opinions on masks.

>>2782834
This. I'd kill to live in Northern New Hampshire/Maine but there are no jobs

>>2782626 (OP)
I'm American but I have traveled all over the world. Every continent, extensively.
Obviously I am biased, being American... But I still like it here the best. There are a couple of countries I would consider, and I have lived in a number of other countries already, but I'm back In the USA and I just feel best here overall.
Other countries certainly have better qualities, or are signicantly cheaper, but I'm not poor so I dont reallt need to live somewhere impovrished to live a good life.
Other places are definitely cleaner/better.... But the culture is just too restrictive and I cant handle it long term,
And our nature is amazing. World class without question, and I am very outdoor person,

>>2782626 (OP)
You can’t get salaries anywhere in the world like you can in America. Also the USD goes further everywhere so I would say if you’re into traveling there’s no better place than the US to live if you have to work for a living.

If money is no object I’d probably live in Tokyo though and I’m pretty sure there’s gonna be a big movement of westerners living and working remote jobs in Japan within the next 1-3 years

>>2783663
Living as a middle class person in Japan is a huge step down from living as a middle class person in America. Enjoy your shoebox apartment with paper in walls and terrible local work culture

>>2788546
If you can keep a dead average middle class USA salary in Japan, you automatically become upper middle class.

>>2788548
Yeah but you’re not going to get that in Japan doing the same work. You would need a major promotion to like director level to get in Japan what an office peon makes in the US and good luck doing that with your zero leadership experience and limited business proficiency in Japanese.

Your only dignified route in (unless you’re already rich) is through getting sent over by your American company to manage their Asia accounts, and that’s assuming their Asia HQ is in Tokyo

So basically ask yourself if the pay cut and indentured servitude in an ethnostate where you’re at an inherent disadvantage due to your outgroup status is the right path for you. There’s a reason why so many Japanese expats posting here are bitter and jaded by Japan

>>2782626 (OP)
Unironically yes, Japan's might be safe and have a lot of social cohesion but their justice system is completely rigged. The UK is completely fucked, flooded with immigrants, too expensive and free speech literally doesn't exist. Even Switzerland with how nice it is isn't entirely perfect among being completely out of 95% of people's price range.

America isn't perfect by any means but we have guaranteed freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, one of the most fair criminal justice systems in the modern world, by far the most amount of high-paying job opportunities in the world. The Grand Canyon, the state of Hawaii, Yosemite and Yellowstone are some of the beautiful pieces of nature in the world. And our military guarantees that we'll probably never be invaded by a foreign power

>>2788548
Unless you already have a Japanese Citizenship they will not give you a visa, let alone a work visa, for you to move in and work remote for a US/EU based company for higher wages. If you want a residency visa in japan you will have to get a local job, simple as.

>>2788572
Sure but I’d say the most common way (by far) to move to Japan is to work for a western company that places you there.

>>2788567
>And our military guarantees that we'll probably never be invaded by a foreign power
aren't you under invasion?? by *multiple* countries? or is oranjman lying?

>>2788567
>America isn't perfect by any means but we have guaranteed freedom of speech, one of the most fair criminal justice systems in the modern world
Not anymore

If I moved anywhere but the US I’d take a huge pay cut. I’d rather work hard, build a solid net worth, and then decide what I want to do.

>>2788537
My first travel job was in northern NH back in 2015. Saved up enough money to spend the winter wandering around the Southwest. My employer charged only $45/week for a dorm bed and three delicious meals a day. Pay was $8/hour. It opened my eyes to the financial freedom afforded by simple living. Others brag about making much more money, but they paradoxically pay a much greater share of their income in taxes and living expenses.

>>2785951
>Outside of those places, and for people who aren’t in the top ~25% of earners, it is decidedly worse
Incredibly myopic lib take. All of the places you named are the world capitals of "Blind self-interest." Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota are fantastic. Carolinas are great. Texas is cool. Arizona is fascinating, etc etc.

yet another flyover cleetus

>>2782626 (OP)
If you were born here, yes. If you do not have roots here, then I would say probably not

>>2785951
I completely agree with you except on places to live. I would rather eat a gun than ever see a mountain or a pine tree ever again. Living in Washington and later Germany made me a complete misanthropist in a way spending the first half of my life in "fuck you got mine" Texas never did, and only moving to Florida eventually cured.

But yeah the place is deeply psychologically schizophrenic and that sort of ripples into every other aspect of life where no one really has a sense of what's going on or why so everyone just ends up frothing at the mouth screaming in public.

It’s funny how everything related to America on the internet is gloom and doom then you go visit a small town and everyone is friendly and kind. The only place in America I did not enjoy visiting was Seattle. It’s a gorgeous city but the locals are cold and subtly rude, like they think they’re better than you but won’t say it.

>>2782836
Based except for the DMV. Too expensive, uncool, and too much traffic and congestion. Great places in that circle especially Philly suburbs

>>2792283
Isn't Florida the apex predator of the "fuck you got mine" states?

>>2792376
Cascadia needs its own nation desu.

>>2792376
Small town America is the worst imo. Fat, retarded people with awful tattoos and an unwarranted sense of superiority as they cash disability checks and do bullshit $40k/yr jobs for the state government.

Don't get me wrong, it's better than living around blacks, but Death of the Soul, AR sucks and the inhabitants suck big time too. The nice small towns are inevitably college towns, or ones 40min outside the city that lawyers and doctors use to larp as farmers.

>>2785951
Lmaoing my ass off at this seething Yankee. Sorry you can’t find work coding anymore.

I live on the other side of the planet, but how do people live in the plains/brown desert wasteland areas?
It just looks like hell on earth

>>2792831
The middle of the country is mostly empty. People live near water, trees, mountains.
Ironically that photo is taken in eastern Colorado. Drive west a few hours and it’s some of the most gorgeous mountains on earth

America's expensive and you need a car to get everywhere. There's no real tourist infrastructure like you have in Europe/Asia, so you'll be paying for hotels because hostels are like 50 a night. Throw in gas or Uber and it's clear there's much better places to go. I'm in Canada which sucks too desu.

>>2788567
Welp that aged well haha. Race riots in California, Although mutts pretend as if their country isn't 40% white.

>>2782626 (OP)
There is so much open space that is not governed, it is the new free world, except in the cities which are frustratingly repressed. Also, there is a demographic problem and some areas are hostile, but it is to protect the country.

My only real problem is these minority hack gotham pd assholes. And that is why I have quit civilization. The source of the government problem was corruption campaigns from foreign powers and greedy nihilist asshole nationalists whose nation is just petty dollar cash.

But how the victim users have been becoming victims, the founding fathers had a plan to fix this demographic problem, this is obvious.

Stay out of the major cities and avoid causing trouble and your chances of having a decent time are good. Most of the people are fair and content which makes most of the area safe.

Try the south, or north of New York and the west is the best.

>>2782962
You shouldn't make white babies if you aren't going to take good care of them. Most problems stem from people pro creating to be conformist, or for some misguided reason. Some of the worst political actors are white bastard spawns who make stupid fucking offspring.

White people aren't going extinct and the problem in most places is definitely overpopulation.

>>2783013
California really is becoming one of the worlds most prestigious counties.

>>2785987
I like this concept. This attitude could gain you good trustworthy friends.

>>2792845
40% of white people aren't really white dumbass. Just like the browns aren't really black.

If we want to go on about racial purity, there are only so many legitimate races surviving today. Less than 20. They all have their historical origins preserved so it is known how they were established.. Sub-races don't count, they are part of their founding race, mix-races can't really make a new race, they neanderthall after so long inside their own culture.

Humanity evolved to evolve a certain way. That's why the mix races mutate badly over time when confined to their culture.

>>2782626 (OP)
have a lot of money like fuckton and want to live in a :
City
>New York
>SFO
>Chicago

Rural Area
>vermont
>oregon
>Northern CA
>Maine
>Idaho/Montana

I'f Im Just a normalfag or middle class, and can't buy myself away from "diversity"
city
>pittsburgh
>Chicago
>probably some other smaller city in Arkansas, or Wisconsin

Rural
>Maine
>Pennsylvania
>TN/ Western NC
>Northern MN seems nice but not sure how bad the diversity is up there
>northern AZ

Best regions of the US in my opinion:

> Upstate NY (pictured)
really scenic, lots of places to go camping and shit

less expensive than NYC and lesser known since everyone is obsessed with NYC; less (((people of color)))

not all hick... downside is the whole place (especially the NYC burbs like near I-87) are a big hot spot for (((the yew know khoos))) if that's an issue, but then again the city proper is also like that so...

and oh yeah also NYC ruining things politics and tax wise; aim for suburb of moderate sized rust belt city like albany, rochester, syracuse, or buffalo

> New England
ok yeah it's a Democrat stronghold and everyone there's a wokerista, but it's one of the whitest parts of America unlike certain, well, other blue lands, and significantly less "hick" feeling than other white lands

also the oldest part of the country so that's cool

> Ohio
"midwest" on paper, but feels more like western pa or western ny than your stereotypical great plains kansas/nebraska/iowa/dakotas "midwest"

there are farms and stuff but it's less flat than many people think, like the southern areas (like where jd vance is from) have forests and hills (not really mountains, but then again the east coast doesn't really have "mountain mountains", but even then that's ok)

it literally might be the most american of all states in some way

has many wilting rust belt cities (cincy might be the next pittsburgh, columbus seems ok, cleveland seems gritty idfk), maybe go for a suburb there, used to be really cheap though i heard people are starting to discover it so that's changing

avoid springfield specifically for (((reasons)))

>>2793751
Columbus isn't even remotely cheap anymore

> The Dakotas
middle of bumfuck nowhere but i know some artsy millennial shitlib who's moved to sd from ny during covid and felt so much freer

been told socially the place is pretty much stuck in the 90s and aughts but in a good way, like people are optimistic and actually go outside

main city is sioux falls and even they have gay pride drag shows but apparently no one fucking cares unlike in (((blue))) cities where it becomes baked directly into the floor and fabric, with orgies and riots to go

nd and fargo i'd imagine would be similar

> The South
personally i don't really like the south nor do i have much experience with the place

(probably too many negroes, or negroes + spics in florida)

apparently fucking mississippi of all places somehow managed to do well with its schools don't ask me how (phonics i think? whole thing sounds like a shitty agenda narrative / twittertard braindead political analyst propaganda)

but if they did do well, credit's at where credit's due, and they can't be fucking around ig

>>2793842
>middle of bumfuck nowhere but i know some artsy millennial shitlib who's moved to sd from ny during covid and felt so much freer
>been told socially the place is pretty much stuck in the 90s and aughts but in a good way, like people are optimistic and actually go outside
This actually describes Boise pretty well as well - if you remember the show Wonder Years from early 1990s, parts of it feel like it got frozen in time (in a good way). Bad part is that it is LITERALLY in the middle of no where, and it seems like nothing that happens there that matters to anyone (which is probably true of the Dakota's as well).

>apparently fucking mississippi of all places somehow managed to do well with its schools don't ask me how (phonics i think? whole thing sounds like a shitty agenda narrative / twittertard braindead political analyst propaganda)
>but if they did do well, credit's at where credit's due, and they can't be fucking around ig
The stories actually pretty funny, they just went back to using mid 90's "phonics" techniques instead of whatever No Child Left Behind Common Core drivel pretty much everyone else switched to since, and apparently this helps dumb kids (black, white, and hispanic) learn to read better. Maybe the top kids do better on the other programs but they were going to do well anyways. Real test will be to see if there is still a difference 5 or 10 years out.

>>2793962
i remember being assigned idaho in 2nd grade as part of a us state research project, and did a lot of research on the place with my mom

and that place is just as scenic as many parts of montana or wyoming, it's just shit on more just because it's fucking idaho

even visiting there is nice. living there seems like it'd be pretty based if, you know, californians hadn't beat us to it long ago and jacked up all the house prices

>>2793986
>it'd be pretty based if, you know, californians hadn't beat us to it
Yup. Richfag californians have known about Sun Valley and other such places for a long ass time.

>>2793986
>>2793997
Yeah exactly, extremely picture-esque landscapes tucked away in little oases along the Snake River.
The other benefit is relatively "good" weather, especially for those who like 4 seasons. Sure the summer is hot, but it is also LONG with low humidity and at night it rapidly cools down, so it's not like you're assaulted with nonstop 100s unlike most of the US South.
Winter gets below freezing, but not constantly, and usually any snow in Boise melts away before the next batch comes (although there is usually good skiing ~45 minutes away).
Obviously not as 'perfect' as some places in CA but, again, for some people having small doses of the extremes is actually very necessary.

Places in the US you wouldn't expect to be good to live in:

- Huntsville, AL
- northwest AR
- Beaufort, SC if you're a retiree
- San Antonio, TX
- El Paso, TX, with its remarkable lowness in crime in spite of being right across from one of the most dangerous cities in Mexico
- eastern VA (Hampton Roads metro area)
- NM if you're an artistic libtard and can put up with some crime (lowest COL blue state?)

>>2782834
>no jobs
>overpriced frozen hellhole
>"livable"

>>2782656
Yes and the liberal Californians are the honest ones, right?

>>2785987
I came back from Japan and had very similar thoughts

>>2782626 (OP)
I've lived in USA almost all my life. I was in the Navy for a while and stationed in Japan for a few years. I got to see most of SEA as well as Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea.

The USA is, in general, kind of a shit hole. People are generally nice and welcoming, but they are becoming less so as time goes on. If you have a lot of money you can stay in some of the nicest places on Earth and have a great time. If you don't have money, there are really nice small towns you can have an enjoyable stay in. You will have to put in some effort to find those good places though. I still live here, but I would move back to Japan in a heartbeat if I got the opportunity to do so,

>>2794040
El Paso is awful. People are very nice, that’s the only benefit. It’s dusty and windy and hot and everything is brown and dead. Horrible air quality because of dust storms and Juarez sending pollution over the border. Don’t move to El Paso if you have asthma.

>>2794040
>this is what americans consider nice

>>2792376

The PNW is a dumping ground for retards, fuck ups, and losers from all over the world. For people who will do nothing meaningful with their lives and will contribute little to society, the locals have an unwarranted sense of self-importance because the only thing they have going for them is pride even if they've never earned it.

>>2794559
The PNW has a very high median income and quality of life lol. Tons of successful large companies are from the PNW

>>2794587

The PNW is a major recipient of federal wealth transference schemes. Most of the companies in the region are tied to the hip to the American military industrial complex. The only people who have any high income in the area are the ones working in those industries and adjacent industries, and the quality of life is shit due to HCOL.

>>2794507
Correct...and since the migrants began flooding across the border, it's not clean or safe anymore.
>>2794559
Tell everyone that they have rights and are all equal, and well, that's what you get. A bunch of proud, uppity people who insist that they are as good as anyone else despite being ugly and poor and stupid.
>>2794489
In America it always feels like people are faking their pleasant nature. It gets really tiring to play along, smile when smiled at, good morning when good morning'd at. They'll flip to sarcasm in half a second if you don't say "you're welcome" when they go out of their way to hold the door open for you. As if I can't open the damn door myself. On top of that, their nice behavior is frequently artificial and comes from the medications they take. You see this a lot with boomer women, the unnatural glow in their eyes, the beaming smile and contrived enthusiasm for meeting you when you damn well know they think you're weird and a little sketchy. In Asia, people express themselves much more minimally around strangers. Having a straight face and speaking very little to strangers is considered respectable behavior here. In America, you can't be neutrally asocial; the negative responses you get for just being your minimally expressive self will push you into actively hating other people.

>>2788761
Which almost never happens unless you're in the military or have good reason for your relocation.

I can't imagine ever living outside of the northeast US desu.

Like if you go to places like CA or CO everywhere has a fucking spic name. Mexico can take the whole area back if they really want it so badly for all I care. CA is so violent it might as well be Mexico again already.

And the midwest is fucking flat (and irrelevant). Betty, idfk how fake-nice you are, but I don't want your potato hotdish surprise casserole.

Everything south of the Mason Dixon line is so fucking hot and humid. Plus I wouldn't fit into either white or negro southern culture. Jemima, idfk how fake-nice you are, but I don't want your greasy Carolina-style pork-rind mac-and-cheese with gravy and biscuits. I like snow, chowdah, and being underweight. Fight me.

I'm a chink, so most of my friends were fellow chink buddies from church, but some ended up moving to TX at some point. Mom got a new job or something. I lost touch with them long ago, but I wonder how they're faring. Like if it sucks or anything.

I like deciduous trees. I like Italian food. I like colonial history, old houses, and historical costume from the 1700s. I like Ivy League culture. I like blond preppy intellectual girls/women with round glasses and plaid skirts. I like American literature. I like fall foliage, apple-picking during harvest season, and farms. I like maple sugaring and maple syrup. I like stumpy orange hills mountains that aren't as snow-covered as "real" mountains. I like white-steepled Methodist and Episcopal churches. I like Jewish American aesthetics. I like mansions in inner-ring Boston suburbs, Connecticut, Long Island, Westchester County, the Somerset Hills, and the Mainline.

And you can't rip any of it away from me.

>>2795198
You don't like your own women and literature?

>>2795198
>I like American literature
fav books?
Your Great American Novel?

>>2785951
This doesn't strike home at all. You sound like you're trying to figure out why everyone else didn't vote for Bernie. It can't be because leftism is horrible. No it must be because everyone has a 'fuck you got mine' mentality.
Commies spend all day psychoanalyzing why others don't want their bullshit. Since obviously if they were of right mind they would.

>>2795208
Nah. Notice how I said "blond preppy intellectual girls/women with round glasses and plaid skirts", not "authoritarian chink women who are basically my mom". (And trust me, I've dealt with MANY of those.)

As for "literature"? Yeah I know Chinese. Too bad China doesn't really have a literary canon. I know, "woo woo, ancient civilization", but the reality is such a joke. You're dealing with either really ancient stuff, or the shittiest modern revolutionary novels ever about the great proletariat struggle or whatever.

The Chinese might've thought they wuz changz nd shit with "Monkey King", but they could never have written Les Mis, Faust, A Tale of Two Cities, or War and Peace.

>>2795265
My favorite authors and poets include William Shakespeare, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, John Keats, John Clare, Charles Dickens, Fyodor Dostoevsky, Nikolai Gogol, Ralph Waldo Emerson and the other Transcendentalists, Marcel Proust, James Joyce, Franz Kafka, and Thomas Mann.

Also Gabriel Garcia Marquez, if only he weren't a spic.

>>2795198
>I like deciduous trees. I like Italian food. I like colonial history, old houses, and historical costume from the 1700s. I like Ivy League culture. I like blond preppy intellectual girls/women with round glasses and plaid skirts. I like American literature. I like fall foliage, apple-picking during harvest season, and farms. I like maple sugaring and maple syrup. I like stumpy orange hills mountains that aren't as snow-covered as "real" mountains. I like white-steepled Methodist and Episcopal churches. I like Jewish American aesthetics. I like mansions in inner-ring Boston suburbs, Connecticut, Long Island, Westchester County, the Somerset Hills, and the Mainline.
The modern northeast is more like black culture, fentanyl zombies, and mcdonalds (unfortunately). And at least where I've been, you won't see many whites outside of the rural areas

>>2795274
Where do you happen to live?

>black culture
Literally worse in the South ngl. Like you can go to some "safe" suburb in Georgia or Maryland with a high ranked school district, and you'll have like 20% negro classmates.

>fentanyl zombies
No hard data to back it up but fsr I feel like this is worse on the West Coast than in the Northeast

>mcdonalds
are you fucking tarded anon, there are mcd's EVERYWHERE all over the fucking country

in terms of how fat people are by guzzling down those burgers? "middle america". aka exactly whomst you'd expect.

---

That said, the plaid skirt and farm ones are true from personal experience btw.

>>2795198
>And the midwest is fucking flat (and irrelevant).
>t. has never actually been to the midwest

>>2795278
>are you fucking tarded anon, there are mcd's EVERYWHERE all over the fucking country
Factually wrong. There are places out west (you k now where the mountains are actually big mountains) where you can go hours without finding one unless you live in a big city.

>>2782656
>Christcuck do-gooders really get on my nerves. They don't like or trust you, but they HAVE TO be nice to you because Jeezus says to love your enemy.
That's not even a purely Christian thing as there's plenty of utilitarian justification for that, particularly in more insular communities. You're simply, as you said, "very anti-social" and thinking like a nigger who doesn't put his shopping cart away or consider how yelling on speakerphone in public is a problem.

>>2782836
That's a miserable part of the country. You'll fit right in.

>>2795274
Northeast is one of the whitest parts of the country what the fuck are you talking about you stupid ignorant piece of shit?!?!?!?!?!?! Have you ever even been there???? What the fuck is wrong with you?!?!?!?!?!? Fuck off.

>>2782626 (OP)
America is great if you can live somewhere where you don't have to drive. Urban planning is the single biggest downside to living in America.

>>2785951
>With all that in mind, there are still good places to live. The west coast, PNW
Found the foreigner lmao

>>2795339
In live in Philly faggot

>>2795352
Not NE enough obv

>>2795362
As the OP of the Northeast conversation, Philly is indeed Northeast enough.

>>2794597
>quality of life is shit
Lol. Keep thinking that, flyover
PNW is God’s country

>>2795463
The PNW is great value(tm) British Columbia

>>2795466
cucked and šxʷməθkʷəy̓əmasəm-pilled

>>2795463

This tells me you've never lived in the area and idealize it based a handful of photos that you've seen. The region is a fucking backwater shithole and cultural wasteland. There's one decent city in the area and it's Portland, but it's completely overpriced for the type of amenities and entertainment it offers.

>>2795707
And the rain, THE RAIN!

>>2795707
>>2795772
You are simply INCORRECT.

"Muh rain" is fake news. It only appears to rain a lot because all the would-be snow instead falls as rain
"Muh clouds" is fake news as well. It's less gray and cloudy here than where I lived before.
Overall the weather is much better. And the nature is incomparably better.

>t. moved there from the midwest

>>2793410
>northern AZ
Shhh. Let people think this state is all desert wasteland.

>>2795198
How about go back to China. None of this is your culture, go eat monkey brains and bind your wife's feet

>>2795773
What about the British Isles

>>2793410
Piittsburgh is much, much tamer than Chicago in terms of diversity-derived problems. How did they end up on the list next to each other?

>>2795773

>moves from one backwater shithole to another backwater shithole

You think the PNW is nice because you've never lived anywhere nice. At this point you might as well just move to Alaska.

>>2782929
AKA, the jews