Ever since I started flying business class I can't believe that I ever tolerated the hell that is economy.

Share your business class recommendations.

>take pill
>close eyes
>wake up 8 hours later at destination
>have extra $2000-4000 to spend on hookers and alcohol

Why would I pay more for a seat on a plane when I can just sleep or read the whole time?

>>2785821 (OP)
Anyone know exactly which Lufthansa flights have the new business class? The new product seems actually good but the old business class is some third-world tier shit, I have to make sure that I don't accidentally get the old one.

>>2785821 (OP)
I've flown Finnair on the Japan routes and they always make the cabin so uncomfortably fucking hot that I keep waking up every 15 minutes. I guess it's because of the barely alive 95-year-old Japs that fly on there but holy fuck, a shitty experience all around.

I absolutely fucking despise the trend of removing personal air vents. Almost every single airline seems to be doing it in their upgraded business class arrangements. I just want to not feel hot you pieces of shit

>>2785831
>>2785821 (OP)
>see business class seat prices 5x more than regular seats
>buy economy seat
>reserve seat at the very back of the plane
>get the entire isle cause all the idiots want to save 5 minutes getting off first
>able to lie down and sleep like a baby
>save a couple grand to spend on shit that actually matters
Unless your company is paying or you're super rich, anyone who goes out of their own pocket to pay for economy class is an idiot.

>>2785831
Because the amount of change makes absolutely no difference for me. I could add another 50k to the trip and I wouldn't care.
Stop being poor faggot

>>2785841
>the entire isle
Which island

>>2785945
epic redditor comment! own3d!!!!

>>2785841
since when can you pick if you sit at front or back of plane?

>>2785841
>very back of the plane
>every passenger needing to peepee poopoo passing you
>constant toilet noises and smell
>noise from staff prepping stuff
>more often less legroom than other seats
Not sure if bait or retarded

>>2786279
what shithole airline does not let you pick seats

>>2785831
Fuck out of here. That's not how sleeping in economy works. You nod off for five or ten minutes, then get a crick in your neck or shoulders and wake back up. Taking a sleeping pill only leaves you feel 10x more tired while being unable to sleep.
>>2785861
Nobody gets rich by throwing money away, LARPer

>>2785841
Are you the guy who has to make eye contact with everyone as they stand in line to use the shitter?

>>2785821 (OP)
I've only flown long haul biz in United Polaris (767 and 777) and on Lufthansa A380. Lufthansa's food was better but United seats had more privacy, which was much better for sleeping.

>>2785836
https://www.lufthansa.com/us/en/discover-lufthansa/allegris

>>2785838
I haven't noticed that, and I've flown Finnair plenty of times. They're one of the best for price-quality ratio when it comes to Asian flights. Obviously they were better and cheaper before covid, but they're still a solid option when traveling Europe-Asia. The new business class seats are comfy (actually OP's pic looks like Finnair), food is ok but not great (used to be great before covid), it's overall a solid package that you can find for cheaper than most other choices.

>>2785821 (OP)
I just buy an entire row of economy. Costs less than business/first class and I have all the room I would want.

>>2786698
>I just buy an entire row of economy. Costs less than business/first class and I have all the room I would want.
I imagine it gives you just as much or more baggage too. hmmm!

I will say that once I dabbled into biz class, it was a game changer. cattle class just doesn't hit the same; prefer to be in human mode up front now
millionaire w/250k+ income tho

>>2786698
This costs almost the same as business class but gives you none of the extra boarding/lounge/luggage priority benefits, the row is not even long enough to fully stretch when sleeping unless you're 5 feet tall, and if you want to sit down you still have shit cattle class legroom.

All in all, pure retardation

>>2785945

Flying British on a 777-300er tomorrow and I swear to god if these cunts equipment swap me to the old seats again I’ll lose it.

>>2786279
You've been able to do this for at least several decades

>>2786882
Do they still have the coffin seats where you are facing the wrong way?

>>2785831
Poorfags don't understand that this extra $2000-4000 is not taking anything away from people who can afford it. After paying for a business class ticket, I can still spend $2000-4000 on hookers and alcohol.

>>2787191
unless you're making >7fig HHI with >8fig NW
it WILL take away form potential other experiences
you just don't notice, because you value the business class experience more than the other potential experiences you could have bough

so technically it takes away, just not from anything relevant (for you)

>>2787195
7figs is my passive income per month and 8figs NW, what are you poor? lol.

>>2787195
Do tell me what potential experiences it would take away from me? I spend that money on business class, and if I had flown economy, it would not change a single thing in my vacation spending. I would just lose time due to not sleeping on the plane and getting jetlag, and be grumpy from the shitty experience.

>>2785836
Just look at the seat config. Old one is 2-2-2, new one is 1-2-1

if only you could spend some of your money to become less of an unhappy and aggressive psychopath
alas...all it seems to be good for is more legroom on a plane

Use your points to upgrade your ticket, retards. I’ve flown business with for about the price of economy with an air miles upgrade.

But I’ve paid for business class too. From Seattle to Manila. Was worth it since I slept for 13 hours, and had no downtime when I arrived. In fact I was able to start bible study within a few hours of landing.

I've flown a Qantas A330 business class. I'm chasing a Qantas A380 first class next. Fingers crossed ill get it.

>>2785838
> I've flown Finnair on the Japan routes
is that where they fly over the north pole?

>>2785838
I was sweating on my JAL flight from Singapore to Tokyo

>>2787644
fat faggot

>>2785821 (OP)
My general rule is if the flight is more than 2 hours, I would not fly on economy class.

>2x more space 10x the price
no

>>2787632
>is that where they fly over the north pole?
Sometimes. It depends on various factors for the day. If you do, you get a certificate saying you've crossed the north pole.

>>2787659
all depends on the seat too desu

up to 7 hours has been tolerable for me with enough leg room to stretch fully (exit row, certain other seats). beyond that I'd either upgrade or not go

>>2787659
nah you're doing it wrong. I'm a plane fag so i know about wide-body aircrafts as opposed to single-isled planes. If it's a single-isle plane like the 737 or A320, ill be fine with economy since the business class offering isn't that much of a step up. But an international flight on a wide-body (787, a330, a380), business class is so much better than cattle that it's worth it. these planes usually have lie-flat seats and better meals and alcohol. a380s also have a bar/lounge area that only available for business/first class passengers, so that's kind of cool too.

the rest of you fkn retards in this thread need to leave. this thread is for rich fags only.

>>2787650
Japanese airlines always keep the cabins extremely warm. I’ve had it on JAL and ANA.

>>2787644
ANA at least has air vents in their latest "The Room" business class. I fucking hate when they remove the vents and then fuck with the cabin temperature. I will actively avoid Finnair and JAL on these routes.

>>2787687
Japanese airlines have fantastic business class on (some of?) their narrow-body aircraft used for domestic routes. I don't know why most airlines, especially in Europe, are extremely cheap about their narrow-body business class.

>>2787687
>a380s also have a bar/lounge area that only available for business/first class passengers
this is airline dependent, only Emirates has a proper bar at the moment I believe

>>2787195
No. It takes away from my retirement, which I will not need due to the amount of hookers and alcohol I consume

>>2787747
>why most airlines, especially in Europe, are extremely cheap about their narrow-body business class
because flights are mostly <2h
those that aren't are to mass tourist destination
and the big business center / regions of the EU are better connected by road / train

actually most flights are <1h feeder flights

which makes the problem even worse
there are barely any premium heavy routes
much less frequently flow ones
so the airlines need their smaller aircraft mainly as feeder and can't justify a premium configuration for the few flights per month it flights route that would justify it

>>2785821 (OP)
China Airlines (from Taiwan) is probably one of the better J experiences atm for trans-Pacific flights imo. Or maybe cause everything felt new since I never flew with them before.
Cathay's new Aria suites on their 777s look nice on the surface but there's so much shit wrong with them functionality wise, I would actually just prefer to hop on an A350 and their old hard product. They've been in decline since COVID, was better pre-COVID.
ANA's old J hard product was kinda shit, food used to be better pre-COVID. Haven't tried their new suites.
JAL has always been good to me service wise. If the cabin is too hot, you can voice your complaint and they do sometimes adjust it by a bit.
EVA has good service, product is just old and feels unrefined compared to their direct competitors
SQ business is great. SQ first is great.
Qantas is acceptable I guess
British Airways is also acceptable. The issue I get is the service attitude is just dogshit.
Air Canada gave me expired snacks on domestic J and a printed menu on a loose leaf of paper on an international flight to HKG
United - I personally avoid ever flying them again

60% work/40% leisure over the years, now mostly 80% leisure and 20% work for flying. Mix of paying cash and points. You don't get a lot of deals like you used to get pre-COVID for cash and points have been devalued constantly. Doesn't help that everyone has become at travel influencer+spamming referrals so less redemptions in general

>>2787768
>United - I personally avoid ever flying them again
United Polaris is one of the best business class products on offer now

>>2787769
It's just the new Collins design which is what I'd get on CX. The issue I have with United (and American or Delta) is just the soft product/service is not up there/on par with Asian based carriers.

>paying 3x more to be marginally more comfortable for 3-6 hours
No thanks. I’ll be a bit uncomfortable and use that money for a nicer hotel or some kind of experience at the destination. If my company covered business class I’d do it for work, but they don’t.

>>2787747
Europe is small and fairly insular. People mostly stay in their hemisphere of the continent. Flights are short. They don’t need wide body luxury liners.

>>2787659
My rule is that I won't even fly more than that time, unless it was private. So to travel long distance destinations I would have many stops along the way and make it a route trip. I just hate being stuck in a vehicle for hours, doesn't matter cat or bus or train or plane just can't do it.

>>2787775
>paying 3x more to be marginally more comfortable for 3-6 hours
how is this a discussion again and again

you don't pay for the 3-6hours (also it'll be like 10h+ for when most people fly business)
you pay for
>coming to the airport later and leaving earlier
>actually sleeping on the plane
>thus having a fit day more on vacation
>can directly work again after coming back
so you effectively have 2 days more vacation

which is far more important than just being more comfortable on the flight itself

>>2787781
None of this is true lol. Fuck are you on about lad

>>2787751
>>2787776
everything you said applies to Japanese airlines too, yet they have amazing premium classes for their domestic narrow-body planes.
meanwhile in Europe you pay a business class fare and get to sit in a ryanair-sized plastic seat with 10cm legroom

Just flew LHR IAD on a BA 777-300 and the newer suites are so much nicer than the old awkward business where you just sat staring at your neighbor.

>>2787650
Not the guy you're replying to but I'm sub 15% body fat and even I was uncomfortably hot flying ANA to Japan. Made the mistake of wearing a sweater since airplane cabins are usually on the colder side.

>>2785838
That sounds miserable. Airports are often hot AF too. I’d lose my mind on a 25 degree plane for hours with no air vent.

>>2786698
>Pay 3k to sit in economy

>>2787783
>everything you said applies to Japanese airlines too
no it's not!
bullshit

>tokyo <==> sapporo
>tokyo <==> Fukuoka
>tokyo <==> naha
are all in the top 10 of busiest flight routes IN THE WORLD
with
>tokyo <==> osaka
in the top20

the only european airport even in the top50 is Heathrow... with it's New York connection

Japanese air travel has A LOT more business travelers and is way more concentrated
which makes having premium cabins on some planes viable

again, most routes in route are low capacity and the airplanes that fly on those routes are mostly used for feeder flights or mass tourism otherwise
low premium demand on those
and the routes that have occasional premium demand are just flown with wide body aircraft (for short haul) like swiss does with their 777 (e.g. ZRH-FRA)

>>2787781
let them be. it's just how poor fags cope.

>>2787787
all after dropping 5k+ on the flight too :^)

>>2787791
>>2787966
hi cuckshed

>>2787781
And the part about how it's not taking away from anything and doesn't mean I need to get a cheaper hotel room is also lost on them.

>>2787989
that stupid as well
but also probably fake rage bait

flying business / first is a waste of money... unless you can afford it
it's not like a wardrobe where it could actually make sense to spend a little more
and most people that do fly business / first either do so with miles or because the 4k / 10k for the tickets don't matter much

>>2787782
of course it's true, and that's the thing people who don't fly business class just don't get. the time on the plane is only part of the experience. but you won't understand until by some miracle you get to experience it yourself on a decent airline and realise just how much better things can be
that anon mentioned getting to the airport later but usually when i'm flying business or first i actually try to get to the airport earlier. i like to have a few drinks and snacks in the lounge and maybe a shower before the flight too. i also use the arrival lounge at the destination too, if there is one.
there are other things that don't get mentioned very much as well. if you're a points collector, you usually get at least 2-3x more points when you fly business.
then there's the additional luggage allowance. for those of us who actually live internationally (i have houses in two countries, and i know people with multiple places around the world) this is a huge benefit. when added to the additional allowance you get from having a higher level in an airline's points scheme, it's not unusual to have nearly 100kg of luggage allowance per person.

>>2788001
Also I’m a transsexual and my little trans safe space is of the utmost importance to me.

>business class recommendations
As a frequent business class flyer for all leisure flights (I'm a wagecuck with an employer all-economy policy), there is almost no such thing as choice in premium cabin, and even thinking it exists is stupid in itself

For those of us not poor (budget line constrained), the utility of a flight is typically a utility maximization function made up of time (less is better), class of service (higher is better, up to some diminishing point), subject to some budget constraint. This usually implies business class is not worth it if it takes significantly longer because any time in an airplane/airport is strictly worse than not being in one.

Now consider how business class works as a product offering by airlines and the economics of it all: A flight must have enough passenger volume (demand) to go from regional jet -> narrow body -> wide body, the bigger you go the more likely you can have premium cabin. Now also consider cabotage and slots allowed to airlines by treaty between countries, there are actually very few routes where airlines directly compete with each other with the same equipment and thereby both having business class.

If you have the aforementioned utility function (generic), this means business class is nice to have, but not at a cost of large amounts of your time. Thereby, you have some default option for business class and rarely choose between them. People who fly business class long-distance on purpose usually have terrible routings and positioning flights and are wasting incredible amounts of time, which only makes sense if you are an aviation fan or your time isn't worth anything.

>>2788010
i can feel the heat from your jealous rage from here anon
>>2788011
what on earth are you yapping on about

If you work for somebody else, you are poor.

>>2788011
like this nigga >>2788021, i dont know wtf you're talking about.

I remember watching a video from that Wendover cunt i think who said that Business class is the most profitable class for an airlines, even more than first. I'd say, from absolutely no fkn evidence at all besides a hunch, that 95% of business class travelers are either workers whose company is paying for the trip, or those credit card churning points fags. the other 5% are people on this thread.

Any of you stupid fags ever flown business class on a budget airlines, like Jetstar?

>>2787781
Those are all bonuses, the only real reason I pay the premium is to not have to sit next to some rando
And that people in the J cabin are usually quieter and better behaved than the poors in the back. Not always, though.

>>2788033
No need to hate on points anon.

>>2788021
No problem, tranny. You do you

>>2788033
>Any of you stupid fags ever flown business class on a budget airlines, like Jetstar?
It's better than American domestic 'First Class', at least you get premium economy seats

>>2788033
>Any of you stupid fags ever flown business class on a budget airlines, like Jetstar?
there is a Japanese budget airline, ZIPAIR, that provides lie-flat business class seats for dirt cheap. they come with no entertainment system and not a single glass of water. it's fucking hilarious. they even fly to LAX

>>2788079
Thats dope. I usually just watch the flight progress screen anyway, and am usually not that hungry onboard because I'll eat in the lounge beforehand. I might look into this airline

>>2788079
I would take that, I never use the in flight entertainment and I can pay for drinks

>>2788079
Gotta admit, 1700 for a round trip single flat is tempting. Still thinking with JAL premium economy though.

>>2788033
>Any of you stupid fags ever flown business class on a budget airlines, like Jetstar?
Air Europe "Premium" is a premium economy.
TAP, TAM and Iberia have a good - very good hard product for their business but the soft product and attention to detail is so shit it could as well be a budget airline.
The Euro Holiday budget airlines like Condor/Edelweiss have okayish but dated business classes
Norwegian seems to be really hit and miss depending on the metal you can get a very good business product to a utter shit one.

>>2788084
actual question, why the flight progress and now a movie, show etc?

>>2788110
NTA, but for me that's because I just like looking at the map and I usually bring better entertainment with me anyway

>>2788120
I just knew it would be some waifu shit

Idk I just can't justify spending so much more money on business class. I'm a multimillionaire and I always go for the most budget-friendly but sensible option when it comes to international flights. My 1-way flight to Bangkok next month cost me $800 but when I search for business class it's $3500 and up. No thanks, I'll sit with the poors.

>>2786799
>none of the extra boarding/lounge/luggage priority benefits
Oh no not the heckin priority benefits. Get a grip.

>>2788187
here's another thing you don't know anon
airlines try to keep their big spenders happy
business class fliers tend to get to the higher levels of airline points schemes and once you're at that level they try to keep you there
so they send you coupons for free stuff, discounts, upgrades etc etc. not just on flights but other stuff too. example, once an airline sent me a booklet of coupons for free weekend car rentals. i used them together with some of the hotel points that i had also accumulated and my girlfriend and i had a couple of months of free weekends away.
then there are the points. one year i had so many virgin atlantic points from flying in upper class that i didn't know what to do with them before they expired so i swapped them all for shopping vouchers and gave them to my family for christmas.
so yeah the "heckin priority benefits" come in useful sometimes. get a grip yourself.

flying JAL, is the upgrade from Premium Econ to Business really worth it?
Premium Econ:
>Still get lounge access
>Still get priority access
>Seats are plenty big and recline deeply, not lie flat but probably enough to sleep fine
>Unlimited drinks
>Seems like the same food as coach? Can't really tell
Business
>More privacy
>Lie flat
>Better food
>Better screen
Obviously thats all nice but Im looking at ~$1000 vs $2500, doesn't seem worth almost 2.5x the price to me unless money isn't an object.

>>2788256
If that kind of change matters you should just fly economy and upgrade something else on your trip. If $1500 have a impact on your budget you shouldn't be spending $1000 on a $500 flight.

>>2788262
$500 for good sleep and that first day not being wasted is worth it. $2000 is four times that amount and seems like a waste considering Ill be feeling the same way when Im off the plane more or less.

>>2788256
>>Unlimited drinks
WOW THE HECKIN SUGAR DOOTERS. WHAT THE REDDIT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITHOUT MY ALCOSOYFRUCTOSE POOPER SNOOTERS?

>>2788263
>$500 for good sleep and that first day not being wasted is worth it
or just save your money and retire 20 years earlier?

>>2788264
Onions rage
>>2788265
I'm going to retire off of $500?

>>2788263
You could spend that $500 like a mad lad on 1-2 5* Hotel nights and would get better value from your money. I'm all for premium cabin but we talk about change and pointless upgrades you get from any meh FF program status or your credit card to blowing up your entire trip budget for a actual class upgrade.

>>2788268
I guess so, my main point though was that its more than twice the cost when what you're getting seems like a marginal upgrade between premium econ and business.

>>2788266
>>>2788264
>Onions rage
I have high test and just got back from the gym
>I'm going to retire off of $500?
If $500 is a trivial amount of money to you as many on this board claims then consider not burning it and stop spending on retarded things in general. If you can save $10k in a year by not being a retard, you will be wealthy in 10 years. many on this board claim $50k is disposable which is insane. that's retirement in just a few years of smart investing

>>2788276
>I have high test and just got back from the gym
You shouldnt be having a flip out about me listing the benefits of a service line by line then.
>If $500 is a trivial amount... [financial advice]
Yeah I get that, but its a one time cost (I don't travel often) and I'm pretty fiscally responsible otherwise, it's not like I do this many times a year.

>>2788279
ok then paying for a class you can hopefully sleep in probably is worth it but I'm highly skeptical you aren't paying a premium for other things in life as well. I don't understand America. Just take more vacation days and save the money. $500 for some shitty sleep is shit value unless you're making $500k. Just close your eyes in economy and listen to nature sounds.

>>2788286
>I don't understand America
>Just take more vacation days and save the money.
nta i've got 33 vacation days in Germany and I'd rather not waste a single one
and that's already a lot, most employees won't go beyond 30
>$500 for some shitty sleep is shit value unless you're making $500k
no one needs that much
I spend like 1/3 of my net income on travel with a tech salary, which is barely half of what you wrote
that's ~40-50k, plenty to afford business class on it's own and even more so if you're not retarded with Miles / Payback

>>2788110
I usually turn on the flight map (or camera if the view is good) and do my work on my laptop or just think about shit

flying is peak thinking time, comfy as fuck

>>2788345
>I spend like 1/3 of my net income on travel with a tech salar
ok you're retarded. thank you for contributing to my study.

I genuinely don't understand the seething in this thread. "HOW DARE YOU FUCKING SPEND MONEY TO INCREASE YOUR COMFORT? YOU MUST SAVE LIKE A GOOD GOY" Kill yourself stupid fucking jewbots. How kikebrained do you have to be to refuse to spend money that you have on improving your quality of life. Do you also live in a 100 sq ft shoebox and commute 5 hours every day to save $500 on rent?

Can you faggots at least stop responding to the seeting retards and shitting up the thread? Just ignore the stupid fucks.

Is upper deck business class comfy?

Considering making my next work trip 4hr longer and doing a stopover in Dubai or Doha to try the sandnigger airlines. Is it stupid?

>>2788360
>spending $20k extra a year on flying business class significantly improves quality of life as opposed to saving it like a good goy?????

I can guarantee I've travelled more than any of you faggots. Therefore, I'm the final say on these issues regardless of my employment status. Save your money and invest in Avalanche token.
>NOO YOU CAN'T JUST SHILL CRYPTO HERE YOU NEED TO WORK LIKE US

>>2788366
>WOWZERS A HECKIN BAR... ON A PLANE? HOLY SHIT YES IT'S A BAR BUT IT'S IN THE SKY. SO IT'S BETTER THAN A BAR BECAUSE IT'S AIRBORNE. VROOOOOOOM SO SPECIAL AHHAHAHAHAHA.
Nobody cares.
>,nooo you care
Yes, I care because I can spend money better than you can.

>>2788371
If you were comfortable with that you wouldn't be here seething about others' spending habits.
Worth a bit of introspection, I think.

>>2788372
I'm literally shaking from anger. You're gaslighting young guys into thinking spending their tech salaries on sky bars is a smart idea. If you're actually making $250k/yr then save it and buy a nice home in Bavaria and start a family. I unironically don't see you as human if you accuse me of being a Jew for encouraging saving. Lost souls begone.

You need to spend money to feel superior to poor peasants.
I do not need to spend money to feel superior to poor peasants.

We are not the same.

Even if I was surrounded by violently shitting falcons and screaming unsupervised arab toddlers in economy, I would still know I am superior to them. Spending money is not a requirement. Physical separation is not a requirement. I will not reward an airline with 500% markup on seating for giving me 10% more padding on my seat and 20% more legroom.
Such things do not bother and do not matter to me. No seating arrangement in an aircraft will make me more white, and you less brown.
No seating arrangement in an aircraft will reduce the inherent nobility in my genetics, or improve yours. I cannot be humiliated by peasant nonsense, because it doesn't affect my spirit or my soul. My corporeal form may be tormented by brownoid mischief temporarily, but it means nothing. My mental strength and fortitude is so supreme that I can move past it, undisturbed and at peace.

>>2788374
A plane with a sky bar is unironically a good networking opportunity. If you are going to spend money, then it should be to secure a private space for other wealthy individuals to communicate their plans on how to dominate the peasantry and how they can collude to loot the third world even more effectively.

>>2788376
picrel: being seated next to violently shitting arabian falcons cannot make me less white

Actually my seething is due to my feelings of insecurity. I want to marry a white woman here in Thailand but I'm not sure if I should go for a Russian in Phuket or a western European in the North, CM/Pai. It's difficult as I don't know how my angloid/germanic genes mix with Russian females. I want industrious children.

>>2788379
>I want to marry a white woman here in Thailand but I'm not sure if I should go for a Russian in Phuket or a western European in the North

What makes you think any white woman in thailand is looking for a long term relationship?

>>2788382
women are always looking for a long term relationship with the right guy

>>2788359
what else should I spend my money on, seriously?

FIRE a few years earlier? why? I like my job.
a house? already got a really nice apartment.
consoooming? kek
family? need a wife for that first.

>>2788366
>Is upper deck business class comfy?
the a380 is unironically peak comfy
but flying 4h more sounds less good
would only do it if it's not costing any real time at destination

>>2788385
>I want to make a run through traveling whore my wife

weird

>>2788397
better than a boring japanese woman who has also been run through.