Japan - roast my expectations - /trv/ (#2793284) [Archived: 779 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/12/2025, 7:57:22 PM No.2793284
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Alright /trv/, give it to me straight.

I have spent the last 7-ish years working in London. I've come to realise that the general culture in the UK is pretty shit. I once appreciated it for being less of a police state than the US, less neo-liberal than Canada, less authoritarian than Australia and generally more level-headed than the rest of the world (or at least I thought it was), but I was slow to truly realise that the UK is a dark, dystopic, jaded shithole cucked at the soul.

Lack of any real activities to do aside from drinking, moronic "banter" culture that reduces everything to a joke, infatuation with brown immigrants since imperial times, the subliminal pressure to participate in neolib uni normalfag culture and humiliation rituals. The entire country feels like one giant primary school - the nanny state, laws on what you're allowed to say, everything from media to advertisement effectively just privatized propaganda.

Now compare it to Japan. I truly believe Japan is one of the last few remaining decent places on this earth compared to other destinations people escape to. Polite, clean, inoffensive, efficient. Everything just works. Machines for everything. They’re grown up - 4chan isn't filtered on mobile data networks. Bars don’t have bouncers. More to do. So I want to do the Working Holiday visa towards the end of this year and live there for one or two years.

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Anonymous
6/12/2025, 7:57:46 PM No.2793285
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I believe people who go to Japan are more interesting and have more dimension to them, certainly more than normalfags here. And not my primary motivation, but I will feel a lot more at home since a lot of my interests are Japanese - technology, anime, vidya, cars, kaiju movies – I’m not a huge weeb, just a casual enjoyer. I can at least talk about them at a basic level, unlike in the UK. Not expecting it to be an anime paradise but you know.

Now, looking for advice on the following:

1. Where should I look for expat groups that isn't Facebook? If nowhere in particular I have a couple of social apps I know of.

2. What is it like dating other expats in Japan? I'm only interested in white women - not Jap women unless they're half white / western – passport bros and coomers need not apply.

3. If I end up truly loving Japan and start learning the language, do I have to use a language school or can I just use some system and / or AI to learn – how does that all work? Not Duolingo as that’s too cliche.

Thank you for reading.
Anonymous
6/12/2025, 7:59:54 PM No.2793286
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>Alright /trv/, give it to me straight.

>I have spent the last 7-ish years working in London. I've come to realise that the general culture in the UK is pretty shit. I once appreciated it for being less of a police state than the US, less neo-liberal than Canada, less authoritarian than Australia and generally more level-headed than the rest of the world (or at least I thought it was), but I was slow to truly realise that the UK is a dark, dystopic, jaded shithole cucked at the soul.

>Lack of any real activities to do aside from drinking, moronic "banter" culture that reduces everything to a joke, infatuation with brown immigrants since imperial times, the subliminal pressure to participate in neolib uni normalfag culture and humiliation rituals. The entire country feels like one giant primary school - the nanny state, laws on what you're allowed to say, everything from media to advertisement effectively just privatized propaganda.

>Now compare it to Japan. I truly believe Japan is one of the last few remaining decent places on this earth compared to other destinations people escape to. Polite, clean, inoffensive, efficient. Everything just works. Machines for everything. They’re grown up - 4chan isn't filtered on mobile data networks. Bars don’t have bouncers. More to do. So I want to do the Working Holiday visa towards the end of this year and live there for one or two years.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:08:26 AM No.2793685
>>2793284 (OP)
Japan is a normie destination. Literally all of Asia is clean and not filled with violent criminals. I find it funny you think people who travel to Japan are more interesting. The people that travel to Cambodia or Myanmar are interesting. Japan is not living in the future, they’re just a society full of completely subservient people that follow strict rules so as an outsider it seems like everything is so orderly.

You will never be Japanese, you will always be considered an outsider and a tourist. If white women aren’t fucking you in the UK you can be 100% certain they won’t fuck you in Japan as the single women there are going to be interested in Japanese men only.

To be honest your entire post sounds like a terminally online poltard that doesn’t understand a single thing about the world and is looking for some magical place to be based. You’re not going to be happy anywhere until you fix your fucking outlook on life. No the grass isn’t greener in Japan and turning yourself into a minority in a very racist society (even if you are a tolerated minority) is going to bring about tons of stress and problems that you’re not dealing with now.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:44:10 AM No.2793693
>>2793685
Those who say that the Japanese are racist usually base their argument on the fact that they are not respected even though they are white and are treated like other foreigners of color.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:40:13 AM No.2793700
>>2793284 (OP)
>polite
To your face, sure
>clean
I mean, yes, but its overhyped by Americans and thirdies who live in rubbish heaps.
>inoffensive
Highly subjective but I guess true to you
>efficient
Ha, some things absolutely, other things not at all
>everything just works
In relative terms, maybe.
>internet filtering
Well, there is internet censorship but I guess, again its relative to what you're used to.
>bouncers
Yes they do, it just depends on the bar. Much like the UK.
>more to do
Yes, its population is double the size of the UK.
>people who go to japan
Not at all. You may indeed meet some people like this, but you can do that anywhere. Japan is a magnet for normies these days, and plenty of weebs are one dimensional shit heads. But yes, if you are interested in Japanese things you may meet people with shared interests.
>where to meet
Social media, such as facebook, is still your best bet. Otherwise, depending on where you are based, look into local community options.
>dating
White women will simultaneously think they're too good for you, just like they do back home, and bitch and moan they can't meet white men because they date Japanese women. If you have basic competence and don't look like shit you'll be fine.
>language
Join a class if you need to stay on track and can't self start, otherwise there is an abundance of resources for Japanese online. Try genki or minna no nihongo textbooks, anki, wanikani, etc etc. Honestly, the language barrier will be by far your biggest hurdle so if you're serious about this you should start as soon as possible, even if just for extremely rudimentary communication.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:29:24 AM No.2793746
man...who the fuck makes these whack ass threads? there's honestly some high levels of mental illness amongst you folks. go seek help faggot
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:18:33 AM No.2793783
>>2793685
>Cambodia or Myanmar

Without knowing much about these places, I suspect they're more third-world and rough than Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore. Probably for more extroverted backpacker type people.

>You will never be Japanese

I have zero intention of "becoming Japanese", whatever that's supposed to mean. The only reason I would learn the language is to be more advantageous in getting another long-term visa after the working holiday expires and to make living there easier. Reading signs, day-to-day communication, dealing with government offices when applying for things etc. In other words, if I have to, I'll do it.

>No the grass isn’t greener in Japan and turning yourself into a minority in a very racist society (even if you are a tolerated minority) is going to bring about tons of stress and problems that you’re not dealing with now

And this is precisely why I would only do the bare minimum necessary to mingle with Japanese. I would largely keep to myself. That said, it is better than becoming a minority in your home country because your government is actively trying to make it so and you are subject to whatever they have in store for you.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:38:16 PM No.2793824
>>2793284 (OP)
Don't forget to wear your Kimono, practice with your Katana and greet your elders you dumb as fuck weeb. Yes it's just like in your dumb animus and you balding 38+ year old virgin can go to a elementary school just as you always dreamed ...
Holy fuck what did you smoke before you made that thread?
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 5:15:02 PM No.2793852
>>2793824
I already said that I'm not a huge weeb. I only ever watch anime dubbed and it's been a few years since I last saw one (I watch Japanese live action subbed)

>wear your Kimono, practice with your Katana

Only did that as it was part of a tour package when I went a couple of years ago. It was a bit of a humiliation ritual, desu.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 9:51:21 PM No.2793917
>>2793685
Can I find a very fat and very hairy Japanese 40 year old chick though?
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 1:50:01 AM No.2793981
Moving to Japan won’t solve your problems. If you’re a depressed piece of shit in London, you will still be a depressed piece of shit in Japan. But it will be worse because you will be alienated and will never fully be accepted into Japanese society. You are not Japanese.

The rule following aspect is really novel as a tourist but you’ll hear from many people who have lived there or traveled there long term that it can be extremely bureaucratic and over complicated at times.

Go for a working holiday and see how you like it. Or get a career and travel there for fun. When you have to live there and deal with the racism and bureaucracy it won’t be fairy tale land anymore and you won’t like it
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Anonymous
6/15/2025, 2:48:18 AM No.2793991
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>>2793284 (OP)
My Japanese wife's sister is so fuckign hot brahs. Its funny when we're out in tokyo and i got two japanese chicks next to me under my umbrella.
My wife and her sister both have fat asses for japanese women and big boobs. its a miracle
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:15:23 PM No.2794241
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>>2793284 (OP)
Im wanna go to Japan and live out my anime dream and find a real waifu. Jokes aside I wanna escape Canada for 2 years and its on the side or the would Ive not been to. I've been to every European country with a port and all alone the east coast of north and south amarica already for work.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 1:32:50 PM No.2794379
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>>2793981
>If you’re a depressed piece of shit in London, you will still be a depressed piece of shit in Japan

How exactly? I have a greater context for going there instead of in London where the only thing connecting you to others is work or god forbid uni and it's the same shit every time getting pissed 2-3 nights a week with the added extra of gouging rail prices and everything being so expensive. I grew up as an expat consuming US and Japanese media so I don't relate to the vast majority of people and the general culture here.

>you will be alienated and will never fully be accepted into Japanese society. You are not Japanese

As I said in >>2793852, I don't give two shits about being accepted into Jap society beyond basics. My primary interest is to mingle with other expats who escaped their libshit-ran globo holes in one of the last few decent countries on this earth. If the Japs like me somewhat, great. If they think I'm just another baka gaijin, great. I really don't care.

>When you have to live there and deal with the racism and bureaucracy it won’t be fairy tale land anymore and you won’t like it

Everywhere outside the west has this to some degree, of course I'd expect them to look after their own before anyone else. I don't care. You're certainly not treated much more favorably as a native in the UK either. I keep my head down, I pay my dues, I mostly play vidya and shitpost from one of those leopalaces or, if I have to, in a room in a guest house and go out with other expats from time to time, and that's pretty much it.

Again, I'm not expecting it to be perfect but it'll be a 10,000 meter step up from the UK, that's for sure.
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Anonymous
6/16/2025, 1:49:39 PM No.2794384
>>2793284 (OP)
What do you actually want to do there? It's not that easy to get a long term visa.
Anonymous
6/16/2025, 8:35:12 PM No.2794453
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>>2793700
>I mean, yes, but its overhyped by Americans and thirdies who live in rubbish heaps.

Tokyo is insanely clean, given how many people (and retarded tourists) are there. Now Osaka, ok not so clean. But Tokyo? Bro it's insane at how clean that place is. Maybe just Akibahara is a bit less clean but then again, that's because of the retarded weeb americans.

>>2793284 (OP)
Japan is amazing, don't let retarded neets change your mind. Do long trips (not 1 week lol) there before committing however, because it's an unique country for sure. However as much as I love Japan, I always feel like a "stranger" there, no matter how hard I mesh with the japanese people.
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Anonymous
6/17/2025, 9:48:52 AM No.2794617
>>2794453
Yeah, it's clean, but most developed countries are clean. It really isn't that unique, even if you could say its top of the list, although arguably Singapore is about the same.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 10:16:17 AM No.2794627
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I've spend years as a young adult in Japan and it has been the best time of my life. But that was early 2010s so around the time when there was still almost no tourism. The memories made is something I will appreciate forever. Getting drunk with locals, missing last train together with bunch of gals, going to car events, hanging out with gaijin hunters in roppongi hub, taking looong walks everywhere, getting to know a drunk nissan executive in the piss alley who later invited me to his huge ass mansion for a damn amazing dinner, go surfing/fishing at the beach. How can you beat that? In my home in Germany I would have spent the time in my basement playing video games.

For years later i was dreaming of moving back again to live this high life once more. But I realized that I'm not 20 anymore. Life is different now. I traveled last year for a month and it wasn't the same. For one it's so filled with tourists now, it's no joke. I directly noticed that Japanese people are less open to gaijin now, less curious, more stressed. Can't blame em though. It was nice to see the places once more that I enjoyed long time ago. Some still there, some disappeared. Too bad about Ageha :( I went to my favorite fetish bar where i was on good terms with the owner.. but again: suddenly I'm not the only gaijin, it became a tourist trap now. Owner didn't recognize me anymore (sad). No more gaijin hunter, no more shibuya gyarus. I know if I move there now I end up in a weird hole. Probably gonna end up like Ryan Boundless constantly being angry about everything there. When traveling I had no motivation to talk to locals, go clubbing, drinking or such. Maybe that's also normal about getting older. I think if you are young, you perceive everything very differently. Like falling in love with 18.. that feel in your stomach WOW I haven't felt it in ages.
Anonymous
6/17/2025, 10:45:45 AM No.2794630
>>2794379
It’s not gonna fix your problems. If you have depression in London you will have depression in Japan. It will not fix your mental illness. You won’t be magically happier just because you’re in a different country. You are you no matter where you go
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Anonymous
6/17/2025, 10:55:34 AM No.2794632
>>2794630
>It’s not gonna fix your problems
nta, that's simply not true

traveling can absolutely fix your problems and force personal growth
well solo travel to a completely different country can
even better if you're young

not that Japan will be the ideal place
but there's a very good reason why so many young people, after finishing high school, go to travel for a year or so and look back fondly on it their whole lives

>You won’t be magically happier just because you’re in a different country
>You are you no matter where you go
yeah no
that's exactly the point
to become someone else
to change

you won't get magically suddenly happy, that's true
but over a few months you can absolutely go from depressed to okay
if you put in the work
and being somewhere completely new, stranded and essentially forced to change, helps tremendously