As in, if you have $4k/month in passive income and want to feel really rich with that, where do you go? Southeast Asia, Africa, South America, South Asia, Eastern Europe? Why?

>>2794358 (OP)
Why dont you go there and find out?...like, today. Right now. Go.

>>2794358 (OP)
retarded question
not enough context

4k/month (after taxes) is enough to life comfortable anywhere
except major cities in Europe / USA + like 3 East Asian cities

rest of the decision should be based on
>tax situation
>which climate you like
>safety
>which language you speak / willing to learn
>which cultures you like (everything from interpersonal connection to mundane things like fashion)
>which visas you can get
>something to settle down or temporary
>kids or no kids, child friendliness relevant
>rural, suburban or city
>preferred mode of transportation (walkability, train network etc.)
and a lot more

one of your last concerns should be "do I feel rich"
because it's really easy to pick a poor shithole to have a terrible life

>>2794375
You didn't even get the question retard.

>>2794358 (OP)
>really rich with that, where do you go?
Midwest USA, Korea, or Malaysia

>>2794393
4k/mo passive after taxes it's legit easier to name places that AREN'T easy to live like a king. You're then thinking Singapore, Ultra mega cities for the safe spots like London/Paris/Dubai/NYC/etc.

>>2794358 (OP)
I lived on a modest budget in Thailand for a number of years, and took semi-extended trips to other parts of the region. It would be easy to live a very comfortable life there on 4K/mo., but you’re only likely to “feel rich” on that amount in a less popular, probably more upcountry area. 4K/mo is not “massive walled mansion compound with a pool/massive beachfront villa, live-in servants, chauffeur” territory, it’s “nicer than average condo, someone stops by to clean and/or do your laundry once or
twice a week” territory. You’ll be statistically richer than most locals, and you’ll have little to worry about financially on a day-to-day basis, but there are still going to be tens of thousands of people around (both local and expat) who’ve got a lot more money than you do, many of whom will show it off as flagrantly as possible. In Bangkok, Chiang Mai, or a desirable beachfront area, $4K/mo is more like the uppermost echelons of the middle classes than it is rich rich.

But maybe “feeling rich” isn’t literally your goal (I hope not), and/or maybe your standards for feeling wealthy are more realistic or modest. If you like hot climates, endemic corruption punctuated with occasional political instability, and Southeast Asian food, and you qualify for one of the new residency categories (they’ve been revamping their visa regime for about three years at this point), you might find that Thailand suits you. If not, perhaps somewhere else in the region. Malaysia, mentioned by anon above, also has a lot to offer, and it’s slightly more developed and less chaotic than Thailand. On the opposite end of the spectrum, Cambodia is easy to get into long-term, but far more chaotic and less developed than either of the above. Laos is somewhere in the middle of the Malaysia—Cambodia civilized—anarchic scale, but they’re not really open to foreign residents without a good reason. It seems so chill people forget that it’s authoritarian.

>>2794442
anon you seem knowledgeable, i make around 8-10k a month, what would this get me?

I’ve got a friend who’s been dividing his time between Greece and various Balkan nations for a few years now—he’s presently in Athens, which is his primary home base, but be spent the winter in Albania, Kosovo, and North Macedonia. He loves them all, and lives comfortably for very little money. Kosovo and North Macedonia are acquired tastes, small and still very rough around the edges, but also very cheap, and he was impressed with local underground music/art scenes in both of them (he’s a gigging rock musician and paints). Tirana and Albania in general are a little more civilized but have, per my friend, fewer of the kinds of punks and weirdos he likes to hang out with. And I expected to hate Athens (many people do, at least partially because most people visit Greece for beautiful, relaxed islands rather than somewhat grubby modern cities) but actually really loved it when I visited him there. There’s more than a little grit, and a lot of graffiti, and a lot of cheap modern concrete architecture, but it’s also got plenty of trees, great food, decent public transport, and a lot going on. And I’ve been to a lot of dirtier cities, even in Europe.

So while I don’t think I would consider relocating permanently to the region, I can easily imagine spending a few years in the Balkans and having a great time. Anywhere aside from a popular Greek resort island or most of Croatia, either of which can get expensive, 4K/mo would be easy to live on comfortably.

I might also consider Sicily, personally, although it’s not as cheap as Greece or the former Yugoslavia.

>>2794451
Depends on where you want to live and what you want to do, but that would get you a very nice serviced apartment with multiple bedrooms, a good gym, and a shared pool in a lot of popular central-city locations, along with the capacity to eat at indoor restaurants (not just street food) as often as you liked, together with comfortable travel and entertainment budgets.

In some locations, that’s enough money to rent a villa/freestanding house, maybe with private pool, or at least a pretty nice townhouse. If you wanted to live in the sticks, you might be able to afford one of the above plus a live-in housekeeper/cook, although this is a strange choice for most people and there aren’t a lot of people who’d want the job (plus anyone who’s willing to do it
Is unlikely to speak English). The only farangs I ever knew in Thailand to have full-time live-in help were parents of small kids, whose servants were mostly working as nannies. Far easier and more common to just get someone who comes in regularly (or even daily) but lives out. And a high-end serviced apartment complex will have housekeeping staff anyway.

>>2794393
>You didn't even get the question retard.
like how?

you want a cheap location to "feel rich"
and I told you that this is an incredible shitty metric
there a plenty of other way more relevant factors that should go into deciding where to live

and even if you only care about being relatively well off
like getting a big beachfront house, a few house keeping staff who feed and do all daily chores for you
you might quickly end up broke because security costs a lot, your kids need to go to a ludicrously expensive private school, your car gets broken in every week, you get fucked by taxes, you get scammed etc. etc. etc.

>>2794471
follow up

if you actually want to live very cheaply surrounded by (relative) poor people
I own a house north of Mombasa in Kenya
you can get housekeeping / cooking staff for ~50k KES/month and the house was only ~100k€
CoL and salaries are very low, daily stuff is cheap, but everything special is costly
you'd certainly feel rich there with 4k€/month

but I don't live there for a reason
this is an investment / vacation home I mostly rent out
the overall quality of life just isn't that great (with kids)

and you can replace Kenya, with almost any other Sub Saharan African country, or some Asian countries like India
the same problem will occur

OP if you want to "feel rich" on 4k which means you can lol at poors while still spending a modest amount of money entertainment, goods and services; just go to Kuala Lumpur.

Enjoy an upper floor of a newer decent 1br apartment all utilities paid for ~500-600 USD/mo via airbnb
Food is dogshit levels of cheap
Grab fares to anywhere is cheap
The average income is stupid low so blowing ~100 USD in a weekend makes you look like a big spender
There are enough of first world things to keep you entertained minus drugs

4k/mo passive income is pretty good for most anywhere, as the other anon pointed out you're going to need define what being "rich" is. For me 4k USD/mo opens up a ton of places in the USA where I can feel great living, even the rockies. I'd feel rich by owning a home, car, in the mountains and probably still have 2k/mo left over after all said and done so long as I don't overplay my hand.

>>2794464
thx anon, very helpful. does the housekeeper also hose me down? i saw a video of Barry getting his gut hosed like a real british king

>>2794358 (OP)
Just be honest with us. You're a coomer who wants cheap pussy. Aren't you? I'd respect you more if you admitted to it.

>>2794477
>if you actually want to live very cheaply surrounded by (relative) poor people
Yeah that's it.
>everything special
Such as?
>for a reason
>the same problem
Could you elaborate about Kenya in particular? Thank you.
>like India
I've heard pajeets are the worst people in the world to deal with and South Asia is just pretty much an objectively worse version of Southeast Asia.
>with kids
Of course you better go to Central or Northern Europe and leave it only for short vacations if you have family and want to live the decent family life, because nothing comes even close to it in terms of safety of all sorts and quality of everything. I didn't mean it though, I've had enough of it.
>>2794407
>>2794442
>>2794491
I see, so it seems Southeast Asia in general is still the by far best place while it's better to avoid Thailand and parts of Vietnam because they're oversaturated. It was quite obvious but thanks.
>>2794497
No I'm practically impotent. I just want to live like a medieval lord around oompa-loompa broke serfs. If you haven't ever dreamed about it in childhood, you're a broken man.

I pretty much just wanted to find out whether I can rule out everything besides Eastern Africa and Southeast Asia or whether there are some reasons to consider other third world regions.

>>2794494
this is the most autismally british shit i've ever read in my life

>>2794645
I have no idea who Barry is, but I guess it’s pretty British?

>>2794494
This is a gross and not easily understood question, and it’s honestly a little outside my area of expertise, but I still feel confident in guessing that very few of the few people who are willing to work as live-in housekeepers for random foreigners are going to be open to bathing you. I could be wrong. But they’re all going to be monolingual backwoods grandmas, in any case… no idea if that sweetens or sours the deal.

I actually lived in a house (provided by my job) that came with a full-time live-in housekeeper for a while; she was a skittish, middle-aged, overweight peasant who spoke no English at all and spent most of her time trying to stay out of my way while doing as little work as possible. She had a room in the house, but slept elsewhere for most of the time I was there (this was a short-term contract of less than a year), and only cleaned when I was at work. I would neither have asked her to soap me up nor wanted her to.

>>2794554
>Such as?
everything imported
cheese, nutella, apples, wine
more relevant, decent cars and parts (outside Nairobi and Mombasa)
and shipping / importing clothes, electronic (like solar battery), appliances, building materials or furniture
ranges from mild annoyance to i fucking can't believe I just paid 3k€ for shipping on something worth 2k€

like yeah concrete or bricks are cheap(ish), but the nice shower head did cost me twice as much as it would in Germany

>Could you elaborate about Kenya in particular? Thank you.
not really safe, you can / should never relax when out
corruption, very poor infrastructure, tribalism, stores occasionally just run out of things (more annoyance than real problem though)
shitty internet (connection to EU / USA really bad)
medicine not readily available and only a few decent hospitals, for anything serious I'd have to take a plane back to Germany

it's just that living there is more "bothersome"
you always have to think about some necessity
and things I really enjoy, like bicycle tours, are outright not possible

>>2794554
>I've heard pajeets are the worst people in the world to deal with
>and South Asia is just pretty much an objectively worse version of Southeast Asia.
only been to India thrice
but I'd say really depends on the state
some are completely fine, others are hell

just wanted to give an example outside Africa with cheap real estate and low CoL

>Of course you better go to Central or Northern Europe and
or Aus / NZ
East Asia and some parts of SEA are also nice if you get them into an international school and live in the right neighborhood
lived in Yokohama for about 4y as a child myself and remember it quite good

>>2794648
i honestly didn't realize what 'get ye guy hosed down' meant until i read this post

>>2794491
Holy shit you're being ripped off by the Airbnb tax.
Pay $400/m for high floor 3bed apartment in a good area on annual lease. Multiple pools, gym, sauna, basketball court.
Have cleaner come once a week for 4 hours @ $20, she cooks food to freeze if I buy the ingredients also

>>2794664
>>2794667
So generally Africa is the most cheap but also the least safe and comfort one, Southeast Asia is the opposite, and South Asia is in-between, right?

>>2794681
>So generally Africa is the most cheap but also the least safe
well not necessarily
Namibia and Botswana are fairly safe
but also kinda boring and a little more expensive
if you want to live rural, Zambia and Tanzania are also quite safe
but again literally no infrastructure
>least comfort one
so kinda yes

>Southeast Asia is the opposite
not sure how much you traveled, but most SEA cities are far from comfortable (for me)
the air / noise / visual pollution gets you after some time

and safety is also relative
yes less criminality and petty crimes
but also more accidents, like driving your bicycle is still dangerous

>South Asia is in-between, right?
you can't really compare between a middle income city like Mumbai and a pre industrial village in Afghanistan

again
I'd highly suggest to select by metrics like climate, culture, infrastructure etc.
and then searching an affordable places
you probably end up with more "luxuries" than you would by just selecting the place with the lowest salaries

>>2794451
No you don’t faggot lmao
>>2794554
Shut up larper

>>2794358 (OP)
You have to go someplace where other rich people live. Otherwise, there won't be any luxuries to splurge on and make you feel rich.
>>2794367
Also this. Niggas constantly asking questions. How about you tell /trv/ about the various lives you've lived around the world and contribute to this bereft board for a change? The question to answer ratio here is way too damn high.

>>2794677
>Pay $400/m for high floor 3bed apartment in a good area on annual lease. Multiple pools, gym, sauna, basketball court.
Sure dude now post a picture of it because I hear shit like this but never see anyone ac

>>2794375
Even in Europe that’s enough to live very well. It’s only the anglosphere plus select cities where that’s not enough.

>>2794454
How does he get away with nomading like this? Every time I look it up on reddit, the threads are spammed woth people who seem 100% convinced that you’ll get abnned from the country if you spend too many 90 day summers in the same country.

I’m inclined to think that the redditors are lying about it, but they seem so devoted to it so its hars to be sure. Help?

>>2794554
> avoid Thailand and parts of Vietnam because they're oversaturated. It was quite obvious but thanks.
OP be one of those people who is like: Yeah baby I gone be livin like kangz n shieet, uhh hol up? Dem places I could live like a kang are those countries? hell naw baby!

You're going to need to choose some really fucking shitholes for 4k to be "king like" these days, you'll for sure be upper class most anywhere in SEA(barring singapore) but if you are going to shrug off somewhere because "saturated" I got news for you. The most over saturated countries are often the most cheap.

>>2795211
He started off as a grad student at the University of Athens, so he had a student visa attached to a Greek residence permit for a couple of years. His student visa expired a little while before he finished his degree, after which he became subject to the same 90-days-out-of-180 visa-free policy that applies to most people. That was one of the things that sent him on his first circuit through the Balkans. Spend 90 days visa-free in the Schengen Area (which is not the same as the EU, although people often seem to get the two confused—there are some EU countries that aren’t in Schengen, and a couple of non-EU countries inside it), then 90 days in non-Schengen countries, and you’re eligible to return for another three months visa-free inside the Schengen zone. Albania offers year-long visas on arrival, Kosovo and North Macedonia are 90 days visa-free… I think Serbia is similar but don’t remember. It’s not especially difficult assuming you’re happy spending time in scruffy bits of SE Europe.

>>2795229
Oh, and he’s now back in Athens six months at a time, because he’s taking some additional postgrad courses. Not an accessible option for everyone, but the 90 days in, 90 days away model is straightforward and requires no local affiliations like my friend has.

>>2795211
>the threads are spammed woth people who seem 100% convinced that you’ll get abnned from the country if you spend too many 90 day summers in the same country
I don’t know if anyone is currently doing this in Europe (I live in Europe and haven’t noticed any relevant headlines about it), but I do know that a lot of the non-EU countries are pretty strict about their 90-day maximums—if people are trying to stay longer, they want them to be officially registered. But I’ve known lots and lots of people who return to the same country for the whole summer over and over again without incident. I can’t imagine any sane country trying to penalize that.

If anyone’s getting banned, it’s going to be for specifically enumerated violations of policy, either staying too long or coming back too soon, not just repeated visits. And it’s without question going to be targeting “irregular migrants” who are (often correctly) assumed to be working illegally.