Shanghai edition

Post trip plans, past experiences, advice, questions, etc. in this thread.

My mom saw a tour on OAT and didn't want to travel alone so I got roped along

how do I become an expat chad in Hong Kong?

>>2796358 (OP)
Tips to avoid having the CCP harvest your organs?

Chongqing or Chengdu? I only have time for one.

>>2796415
>work in finance
>annual income in the upper six figures (preferably seven)
>connections with people who can get you into exclusive parties
>naturally sociable and charismatic
>at least somewhat attractive (the less charismatic you are, the more attractive you'll need to be)
>knowledge of Cantonese/Mandarin optional but it will make you much more popular if it looks like you're trying to learn

>>2796444
be chill

>>2796452
do both
from my experience
Chengdu had better food and nightlife. It's also a way easier city to navigate. It seems way more liveable than Chongqing
Chongqing is stunning in just how the city works and it being 3d etc. It's a crazy city.

>>2796364
how was having to swear off google and social media for 2 weeks?

>>2796415
Be a chad before going

But in general
>work in a good job
Law/Finance/Consulting are big here but you can make good cash as a teacher too (as much as white collar jobs if you have a masters, good school etc). Plenty of people working in the food industry do well here too, or import/export
>play a sport
If you play something like rugby then it gets easy to make connections. The HK Football Club is a good private members club that you can get into cheaply if you play a sport for them. But there are tons of sports here so just pick something. Lots of people do muay thai or whatever, for example.
>do interesting things at the weekend that allow you to meet people
HK has the interesting property that you can live like a college student (in terms of sports/boozing/travel etc) well into your 50s if you want, yo never need to grow up. So it's a good place to stop being a shut-in.

It's a great city but your experience of it will be largely determined by your attitude to life and your willingness to actually do things you want/enjoy. After a few years here you realise you had the same opportunities to live life the way you wanted back home, but you didn't realise it until you were out of that environment.

>>2796542
Actually to correct myself here

>work in a good job

I should correct this to
>do a job you enjoy and that fulfils your ambitions, regardless of the $$$ value attached to it

Doing some suit/emails job that makes you miserable is a waste in the long run imo. If you want to be a happy expat guy around HK, do something you actually want to do. But if you like white collar shit it's a great place for that

>>2796454
>>2796542
W-what if I’m a stemcel codemonkey

>>2796547
>W-what if I’m a stemcel codemonkey
regarding job opportunities?
a lot depends on your formal education and references
famous university or company names open a lot of doors

generally the market is over saturated though (really anywhere in China)
as senior or lead dev in some niches (all the buzzword stuff) you'll have it easy
as recent undergrad, don't even try
PhD in comp sci helps too, but not as much as being a senior in big tech

basically all the problems from the US / EU programmer job market, but 10x amplified

and don't expect european or US work culture
chinese tech companies are more bearable but still faaar away from even legacy EU companies

>>2796465
>what is a VPN
>what is a Hong Kong SIM card

>>2796547
>W-what if I’m a stemcel codemonkey
You'll be fine as long as you're willing to compete with 200 million chinks willing to work 16 hour days for what you'd earn at your local McDonalds back home

>>2796577
>be me
>unemployed zoomer cs fag
>boutta graduate in a year
>fucking chinese american

>>2796591
never had those when i was growing up and going to china for family visits as a kid (only my parents did, for work)

>2796601
tfw chinese social contract

in exchange for:

- individual liberty
- privacy
- xidada being ur nanny
- 995
- religion, if you don't want to go to a gov sponsored church
- most sports

you receive:
- being part of a 5000 year old civilization
- actually having a real culture instead of burgers and fat
- public transportation
- walkable cities
- hot chicks if you're lucky (debatable)
- freedom from globohomo/dei/zog
- freedom from anti chinese/asian racism

>>2796630
>- actually having a real culture instead of burgers and fat
Modern Chinese culture is still reeling from the disaster of the cultural revolution, it's really not some extremely cultured land of erudites man

>>2796639
they do a hella job at pretending so, though

>>2796630
>- freedom from globohomo/dei/zog
The average Chinese person is more Jewish than the stingiest, laziest Hassidic rabbi in Israel.

>>2796630
>Hot chicks (debatable)
Wrong, They are on levels of korean make-up clogging their faces

>>2796726
Yes. Asian women are practically witch-tier with makeup abilities.

>>2796721
Who is "the average Chinese person", and how do you know?

Cause Diasporoid tiger moms are a hell lot Jewisher than Mainlanders

For instance, the stereotype of Chinese people practicing piano / getting into classical music, apparently still under the presumption that doing those things in 2025 is still somehow gonna get you into college, is literally co-opted from the Jews. They share many values, like family (in that certain way), celebrating alt holidays with food, work ethic, and wealth/greed or frugality/thrift depending on which way one swings.

Like I know Indians, by contrast, would be more into traditional Indian music, and I (a 2nd generation chink) have 2nd generation jeet friends who've had to suffer in sitar or tabla class growing up, similar to how I had to suffer in piano class.

Wang Jun's a loser back home who failed the hell out of the gaokao, so he tries his luck with the US visa lottery, and luck proves to be on his side. Upon arrival, he discovers American naming customs, and either calls himself "John Wang" like the 900 other Wangs who came before him and had the same idea, or falls into the Bible pipeline and chooses some really niche name like "Mordecai Wang".

Now Wang wants to be successful, he wants to start a family, and he wants his kids to be successful. So what does he do? He looks at (((successful people))) and studies how they got there. Obv, (((the real reason))) has jackshit to do with meritocracy or "Protestant" work ethic or whatever woo he buys into, but it's not like he knows this. But his habits change accordingly.

I've heard it's different in China vs outside of it, because of pressure to succeed as an immigrant or whatever. But then again, I've known people in China and other Asian countries who've gone through hellish childhoods. Plus there's the Confucian aspect that zog can't explain.

(cont.)

>>2796736
Also apparently South Korean parents (well, the few that are left) are so culturally Jewified that they literally read retellings of the Talmud in Korean to their children.

Overall the common denominator seems to be "monkey see, monkey do". Like how in the Monkey King story, on his way to some monastery in the human world to learn the art of immortality, he mugs some hobo for clothes, and ends up making a fool out of himself everywhere.

There's also this gem I saw on Twitter/X:

> Chinese international student in my class was telling me about how his evangelical dad in Beijing believes that Trump was chosen by god to win the election, but that this victory is part of a larger divine plan to destroy the united states

I know his dad is "evangelical Christian", but yeah that's like the Jewishest shit I've ever heard. And indeed, like I said above in >>2796630, Christianity (specifically Abrahamic religions; the others are scrutinized less) in China's a mess, and your two choices are:

a) The Church of Our One Savior Xi Dada on New China Street (no longer allowed to have a cross on it; "patriotic" services; minors gtfo)
b) some auntie's apartment that might get raided any moment

>>2796452
Cheengdu for food and paandas.

>>2796547
That's fine, work in finance and you'll make a lot of cash. C++ and KDB seem to earn a lot here for hedge funds

I got this from a store that was called Russia, they have a bunch of imported russian stuff but most of it seemed to be canned food or alcohol. The song katyusha playing on repeat the whole time I was inside.

>>2797045
I might go back and get one of these but idk

>>2797045
Funny thing is, China has a lot of faux-Russian stores selling goods produced in, well, China.

FLG source, but have a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwodeG8aUzI

>>2796542
An experienced teacher with licensure to teach at an international school can easily pull 40krmb/month from their salary + benefits package. I would make the equivalent to what I would make in the USA but the cost of living is drastically lower (for example don't need to light 1k USD a month just to own a car)

>>2797057
Meh. I lived in Russia and the stores seem legit. Only place to get decent chocolates in China.

>>2797061
>experienced teacher with licensure to teach at an international school can easily pull 40krmb/month
yeah with a master of education, multiple years of relevant work experience and a good chunk of luck
and even then, it's more at the upper end (except a few schools or with a PhD)

more realistic would be 20k/m
more in the old T1s, but then also with much higher CoL

yeah you'll a relatively good life and if you don't waste your money you'll have ~10k/month disposable (after rent, basic food and transportation)
but it's far from "rich"

and as expat STEM grad with good CV (well known companies) you can do 1mio+ rmb / year
being a teacher may be good in China compared to the USA but other countries pay better (in relative terms)
e.g. Germany with the worlds highest teacher pay (PPP)

>don't need to light 1k USD a month just to own a car)
kek
that's just your own retardation
no where in the world does a car cost 1k$/€ per month

>>2793282
Scratch Chengdu
Add Wuhan in place of it.
What size of travel bag would be needed? Also I understand the winter in the southern part of China is frequently described as "damp cold" to say the least. I've got a good wool jacket with a liner - that's good enough right?

>>2797057
Falun gong propaganda. Let's just expand this stupid SJW stuff and say the USA is culturally appropriating Chinese goods by pretending to sell faux-American goods that are actually Chinese.

Worst fucking HR in the world, but god damn I am now finally ready to leave the country and be on a beach with a coconut and a beer. Picking up visa tomorrow and HR gave me a be in china by this date so I could get my exit flight to China
>>2797071
I wish I was joking about the car but a new base level trim car (29k retail) costs
>$899 for sales tax
>Personal Property Tax in my state is 4.3% so $1200/yr
>Insurance for a clean driver whose only record includes one single speeding ticket is $170
>Loan is $676
Granted you could buy a used car for cash (About 5-6k for a slutted out beater) but you also run the constant risk of engine problems they hid with stopleak etc.

Regarding job offers:
A westerner with experience teaching at home (I have 7 years experience in USA) I was offered 30k and 32k offers without much struggle in a t1 city. I would say 30k is a good baseline. Thats as a humanities teacher as well. My cash flow in the US would look like this
>63k yearly salary for 10 month working
>49k after federal and state taxes = 4100/m
>-1200 Rent
>-1000 car
>-300 utilities
>-500 for food + entertainment
I am looking at increasing my savings per month in China by 7krmb by my estimation. At worse I will have way more fun and be close to Asia which I have always wanted to travel more.

>>2797197
Chengdu's got a great nightlife. It's also a cheap and convenient entry point.

>>2797341
>but a new base level trim car (29k retail) costs
just buy used, my car was 20k€ for a really nice 3y old car
>Personal Property Tax
what the actual fuck??
or do you mean regular car / road taxes or license plate cost?

i never even heard of personal property taxes before kek

with 32krmb/m i'm getting ~$44k for 10months, ~$38k after taxes (for Beijing) if it's all taxable
if you're unlucky your employee pays into pension and they rip you off when leaving (won't get back all)

>1200 Rent
that won't be much lower in the old T1s
a non shit apartment will be ~7-10k/m in Beijing
new T1s you can get something nice for <5k though

>increasing my savings per month in China by 7krmb
you absolutely can save ~$25k in the 10months if you live frugally, or ~$10k easily
384k/y is a good salary anywhere in China
i don't want to stop you, far from it

just want to point out that it's not a fairytale offer
still a better overall deal than you are getting now apparently

>>2797350
Seems a bit too far from the big cluster of friends on the other side of the country. Wuhan might be the furthest destination I visit this year

>>2797356
You clearly don't know how much the us hides junk taxes. Some USA states charge a tax per fucking cigarette and then another one per pack.

>>2797356
I'm projecting to save 30k and that's the entire point of my post is to show a real offer of what's out there for people with the right qualifications. 20krmb is more TEFL qualifications which sometimes boil down to being white

Still in America right now. Will I be able to use gaode/amap without registering a chink phone number? The pop ups are pissing me off.

>>2797452
I recently created a Dazhong Dianping account using a US phone number, which you couldn't do in 2023 I think.

Favorite food?

>>2796452
Chongqing is known as the degenerate city.

Ask me anything about Xinjiang, still in Kashgar rn

Reading /r/China and /r/chinalife just gave me permanent brain damage

>>2797832
Is it true that they completely demolished the old city there and rebuilt it as a Disneyfied tourist attraction in the late 2010s? I remember reading older guidebooks on China, begging visitors to visit Kashgar's unique old city before the Chinese government followed through with their plans to demolish the district, and it was too late. Which they apparently did - like, you can see simplified characters on that gate, as well as an admission fee booth. How good was this decision in your opinion?

>>2797855
A lot of it did get rebuilt, kinda sad but theres still some parts of the old city left I believe

>>2797855
I didn't see the old old city but yes I have heard it was pretty much demolished and rebuilt. Also it wasn't an admission fee it was a security bag check
I got to go to an area that hadn't been rebuilt (高台民居 outside the actual old city) and the difference was obvious, in the unchanged area all the streets were much more narrow and the courtyards were super dense. Lots of buildings built over the street and big overhangs, super dense
The old city is clearly modernised because it has wide streets for lots of tourists and tourist shops everywhere compared to the other area which just had a few shops run by people who used to live there and were relocated by the government to the new city area when it was decided they would "regenerate" that area and make it into a tourist attraction
I got talking to a potter in the other area (I speak fluent Chinese and some Uyghur) and he told me before the pandemic everyone in that area had been relocated to the new city and given abt 4000-5000 yuan compensation. He was allowed to come back and set up his shop but still has to live in the new city area (all modern apartment blocks)
I could peer into some of the rooms and houses and they still had light switches and light bulbs, some shops even had signs remaining. Clearly they were moved out recently. Old city has no traces of its former self, but lots of people still live there.

I never saw the old city so I can't comment on if it was a good decision or not. However it doesn't feel like a theme park, people still live there, kids play in the street, old guys walk around selling naan, and even though there are some tourist cafes it still feels like a real place (compared with stuff like Venice)

Picrel: a small bowl the pottery bossman gave me for free after our chat. We talked a lot about his family too

>>2797741
I visited Chengdu some 9 years ago, amd have Chongqing on my list for coming september. What degeneracy am I in for?

>>2797902
"...b-b-b-but this book/blogpost written by some white guy said it was a forced relocation and no Uyghurs in Xinjiang/Kashgar are genuinely happy! They, like, LITERALLY aren't allowed to speak their own language, even at school!!! Literal cultural GENOCIDE!!!"

and even the freaking propaganda gate has Arabic script written on it

I think the mosque demolition and rebuilding thing is genuinely true though, and has been going on up to 2021 in nearby Xining, Qinghai at the latest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongguan_Mosque

>>2796639

You're literally describing Japan.

Japan demolished the majority of their castles, temples and shrines in the Meiji restoration in the 19th century.

They then rebuilt the castles and temples out of concrete for the Tokyo Olympics in the 1960s for tourists.

Kinkaku-ji in Kyoto and Senso-ji in Tokyo are both rebuilt concrete fakes

Japanese tour guides won't tell you that on purpose, unlike Chinese tour guides who are blunt and honest.


In China, Pingyao and Xi'an's entire city wall is the original and so are its pagodas and temples.

Beijing's Forbidden city, Confucian temple are all originals.

Qufu's Confucius temple and mansion are all originals.

Japan also had the reputation for cheap shoddy knockoff products in the 1950s, and Japan had a reputation for urinating, spitting, littering and shitting on the street until Japan's government forced its people to stop for the Tokyo Olympics in 1964.

Japanese people were forced to stop shutting, spitting and urinating and pick up their garbage at that time.

Also Japanese girls had a reputation for being whores for foreigners in the entire Meiji era to the 1960s until again, the Tokyo Olympics made Japan clean up its public image.

Chinese hobos and exiles like Sun Yatsen used to pick up Japanese teenage girls like Kaoru Otsuki as side hoes.

>>2796639
>>2798062

China's medieval city walls walls in Xi'an and the Wild goose pagoda in Xi'an are the oldest standing medieval city walls and buildings in East Asia.

The oldest Japanese standing building is centuries younger than Wild goose which is over 1,300 tears old, and Japan has no medieval city walls.

The Forbidden city in Beijing is centuries older than any standing Japanese palace. Japan's palaces and castles are all recent reconstructions.

Japan also had a reputation for poisoning its people in mass industrial accidents in the 20th century (four big pollution diseases, Minamata disease) and dumping mercury into the ocean.

Japan only started cleaning it up in the 1970s.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#


White nationalist Jared Taylor's book "Shadows of the Rising Sun", published in 1983 on how Japanese piss in the streets in public

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#q16634301

Every stereotype you think about China, applied to Japan before the 1970s.

>>2796639
>>2798062
>>2798063
Japan's "cleaness" is from government destroying their traditional culture.

Japanese uses to piss everywhere in the streets and litter garbage as part of their culture, but the Japanese government forced and re-engineered its people to stop in the 1960s to please western tourists for the Olympics in the 1960s (same decade many fake concrete castles were built for western tourists) it began forcing elderly Japanese to pick up garbage.

Japanese streets and train lines used to smell like rubbish, piss and shit.
https://x.com/malecsandram/status/1511650585690447874

>Turn out that hosting the 1964 Olympic Games completely kickstarted the transformation of Japan and Tokyo from a sewage smelling city with rubbish all over to the hyper polite, hyper clean, hyper cosmopolitan place we know today.

https://x.com/MacSingularity/status/1576955688395636738

>A long time ago, during the 1964 Tokyo Olympics, the Sumida River smelled foul and was in a dirty state, so as a temporary measure to improve it, clean water was flowed.

https://x.com/NewbieJapan/status/1654060267003691008

>after the Olympics of 1964 foreign people complained that the Japanese were tossing their trash in the rivers and ditches everywhere. Tokyo was dirty.
>That little bit of shame in the media produced the clean Tokyo we appreciate and JP fans picking up trash in the stadiums

It was easy for poor Chinese men working as peddlers or labourers to groom random Japanese girls in the 1920s and 1930s.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434

Japan also used to export more child teenage prostitutes to foreign men than Thailand in the Meiji era (karayuki san) with Japanese girls from Africa to the US and Canada.

Japan only cleaned up its image and GDP after the Tokyo Olympics

>>2796639

Japan annihilated and destroyed its own culture in the Meiji restoration

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16634206/#q16634206

>>>/his/16634206

Tens of thousands of Japanese temples, shrines and castles were destroyed and decades later rebuilt with steel and concrete for dumb western tourists like you.

Japan destroyed its traditional social structure violently in the blood tax riots.

Japan even destroyed its traditional burial customs and food taboos, switching to eating dairy in the Meiji restoration while stop eating dogs and cats, and forcing its people to cremate.

French culture was destroyed in the French revolution.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15158610/#q15159608

>>>/his/15159608
Japanese violently destroyed their own culture in the Meiji restoration, destroying tens of thousands of temples, shrines and castles and destroying their own culture to westernise

France violently destroyed its own culture in the French revolution and then Napoleon destroyed Spain and Portugal's heritage.


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277766


90% of South Korean men circumcise. (Agaisnt Confucianism)

90% of South Koreans cremated the dead. (Agaisnt Confucianism)

Most traditional Korean palaces have been destroyed like Gyeongbokgung and what stands today is a 20th century replica.

Most Korean clan genealogies are 20th century forgeries (over half of Koreans who descend from the peasant class now claim ancestry from royalty) by totally unrelated people who joined together and fabricated a common genealogy.

Korean "traditional food" includes spam soup (Budae-jjigae) from US army rations.

Korean "traditional" martial arts like taekwondo, kumdo were invented and copied from other counties in the 20th century.

Korean traditional Hanbok exposes breasts but they are too ashamed to wear it now.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13869957/#q13869957

>>2798066
Over a million Korean prostitutes served Japanese businessmen and American soldiers

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/16658070/#q16659572

>>>/his/16659572

>>2798076
Where can I get one?

>>2798063
As someone who's actually been to Xi'an and seen both the city walls and the Great Wild Goose Pagoda, I'm honestly skeptical of these claims.

There's NO way that wall's never been rebuilt, like ever. It's just too polished and perfect, and even contains car-sized gates and stuff.

And if you actually go to the Great Wild Goose Pagoda, they interestingly don't allow pictures inside. For context, the pagoda was commissioned for the monk Xuanzang, who was the IRL basis of the monk from the Monkey King / Journey to the West story. There's this multicolored spherical thing which is supposed to be "Monk Xuanzang's essence" or something like that, but who knows how true that is or how old that is. The pagoda was supposed to house tons of Buddhist scriptures, but I saw no scriptures, or even replicas thereof. Just smooth beige walls, stairs, and that "relic".

It's as "original" as the contemporaneous Badaling section of the Great Wall (Ming dynasty), known for its generous renovation and proximity to Beijing. Nanjing's wall from the same era is a little mossier from the pics, so it might be more authentic, but I've never been.

Still worth visiting IMO, but to say it's truly the OG OG might be a little misleading. IDK though.

(Also check out Datong fyi, I forget which dynasty their wall was from, but it was probably rebuilt during your lifetime.)

>>2798035
You sound like you have brain damage but I'll reply earnestly:
Kids do speak Uyghur among themselves but all their school lessons are in Chinese and their teachers aren't allowed to speak Uyghur to them. Most of the kids under 15-16 can't read or write in Uyghur
Relocations are relocations, but lots of people went willingly, and are more satisfied with their current situation
All the mosques seemed to be closed and the tourist attraction ones didn't have worshippers
I talked to a guy about this and he said that the current generation of Uyghurs is simply less religious, and their practice of Islam is more cultural than belief oriented (i.e. they don't eat pork and don't drink much)

Also one of the kids I talked to said Hitler was a great man lmao

>>2798148
>There's NO way that wall's never been rebuilt, like ever. It's just too polished and perfect, and even contains car-sized gates and stuff.

Retard, the Old city wall of Jerusalem has a modern breach for a car ramp and is regularly cleaned and maintained.

It's still centuries old (unlike concrete Japanese castles and temples)

>just too polished and perfect

That's called cleaning retard.

Nanjing's wall isn't cleaned regularly because it's not complete anymore since sections were torn down and it's not in use.

Xi'ans walls is entirely intact with no gaps and is actively used (bicycle circuit races on the top and tourists walking around the city) and also replicas of siege equipment is stored on the wall, so workers have to regularly clean the wall.

Datong's walls were partially torn down and then the torn down sections were rebuilt.

>>2798148
>Xi'an city wall
Ship of Theseus problem here
>大雁塔
I didn't go inside because there was a super loud and annoying Italian tour group queueing up to go in as well, but the "essence" thing you saw is probably a sarira 舍利 which is a tiny gem that eminent Buddhists leave behind when they are cremated (supposedly)
>Badaling
Lol even the Chinese tourists know this is very artificial
They distinguish between the 景区 areas and 野长城, one person had been camping on the unmaintained section of the great wall but still said they had never been to the "real great wall" which they see as the 1980s renovated section
>Datong
Yeah this is a really great spot, especially recommend the Buddhist grottoes and the town itself
The 悬空寺 is quite overrated

>>2798148
>>2798155
No one takes care of the inner Prince of Qin's mansion walls inside the city itself, because the mansion was destroyed.

The northeast corner of Xi'an used to be its on walled off quarter fron the rest of the city because it was the estate of the Ming dynasty Prince of Qin and then the Manchu banner quarter in the Qing.

The Han inhabitants of the city sacked and massacred the Manchu banner quarter in October 1911, and the internal walls of the quarter separating it from the rest of the city were torn down.

Nobody takes care of the old Prince of Qin wall sections that are in the middle of the street because nobody uses them, and they are already disconnected sections of wall with their inside cores exposed.

The walls of the entire city on the other hand are in active use.

>>2798157
calm down Zheng

Putting muzzrats in concentration camps is based and makes me want to visit even more.

>>2798206
Of all Muslims, Uyghurs actually deserve worse because they are committing terrorism in Syria.

Uyghurs in the Turkistan Islamic Party killed Syrian Christians, destroyed Syrian churches and pre-Islamic Syrian artifacts at museums.

There's thousands of Uyghurs living in homes they stole from Syrian Christians in Idlib.

China should bulldoze all Uyghur old cities as punishment.

>>2798223
China has lots of muslim groups desu. Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Hui etc. They don't give a fuck unless people are causing problems. Uyghurs have been consistently shitting up China with gas attacks and mass stabbings (they love to stab kindergartens), so China gave them what they deserved. China doesn't tolerate 0 value humans.

>>2798230
What if I intermingle an Uyghur woman with my Spanish/Aztec bloodline?

>>2797061
>40k a month

Oh yeah definitely. Could be less than that depending on qualifications/good school or not/experience but could also be far more

I have friend on the NET scheme making like $70k all in (salary + benefits, including accommodation), as well as a shitton of leave

>>2797071
You wouldn't need a masters for that salary but it would need some experience. $40k is nowhere near the upper end in HK.

20k would be for like fresh grad, no experience in teaching, as a I understand it

t. not a teacher but know a lot of them in HK

would girls in, say, shenzhen be excited to suck my dick

>>2798522
>NET scheme making like $70k all
that's right around 40krmb/m
and also only HK
HK has an avg full time salary around ~$55k

that's not a bad deal
but you also won't live better than the avg person (or save a lot as OP wanted),
especially considering you have higher expenses as expat

>but could also be far more
no it won't
even the most prestigious international schools in Beijing / Shanghai will not pay above ~70krmb/m
and that's for someone for someone with a PhD or other special qualifications

>20k for a fresh grad
20k RMB per month is rather high teacher salary in China (~$33k per year), but normal for international / private schools
$20k / year would indeed be on the lower end, but closer to a regular chinese teacher salary
again, everywhere BUT very few T1s that also come with massively higher cost of living

>You wouldn't need a masters for that salary but it would need some experience
kek
that may be true for some, rare English teacher schemes
but for everything else, a Bachelor, better Master of Education is very much expected
or a degree in the relevant field but education experience

>>2798817
i'll be in Shenzhen
keep me posted

>>2798522
That was 40k in a t1 mainland. In hong kong a qualified teacher could make somewhere like 130k USD raw salary + their package. Similiar in singapore.

Here's an photo that explains half of the China tourists, among other cultural phenomena.

The most puzzling aspects is why the girls parents don't care about these two old dudes watching their daughter do the splits, and why the daughter doesn't care either.

Alright, I want to do my first time in asia later this year. I can't decide few things though. My plan is like this:

1: fly to hong kong
2: take a train to Guilin
3: go to Chengdu or Xi'An?
4: go to shanghai? (mostly cause I want to get somewhere that has an airport with quick connection to japan)

any idea what should I pick between Chegndu and Xi'An? Also, is there anywhere else where I can get a quick connection to Japan?

>>2798955
Chengdu and Xi'an both have direct flights to both Tokyo and Kansai

>>2798825
>that's right around 40krmb/m

Sorry I mean HKD, per month

That would be more like 64k rmb

You can live very comfortably on that in HK, and save money


>no it won't

Yes it will if you move higher in management.

source: I know people in HK in these positions earning more, like HKD$90-100k.

But obviously that's with experience (my point here is you can make white-collar money as a teacher there if you play it right)

>that may be true for some, rare English teacher schemes
>but for everything else, a Bachelor, better Master of Education is very much expected
or a degree in the relevant field but education experience

A bachelor's certainly, but not masters, based on those I know in HK (not mainland) who are actually doing this. Though many do PGCE, which can increase their salary due to allowing them to Register.

Mainland might be different but the above is true for HK if you actually live here

>>2798839
That would be ~HKD$85k a month, which would be doing very well as just a teacher, though it depends what kind of school/role as well (e.g. primary principal would make that easily in some places, as I understand it)

>>2798955
Book the HK -> Guilin train in advance as it fills up quickly

Shanghai is worth a visit

>>2798838
Not gonna go yet that's why I'm asking
you keep me posted

im in qingdao for a few weeks. anyone anons familiar with the place? never been to china before.

Any anons willing to tell me how my experience going to China for a month as a mega autist will be?

>>2799199
>Any anons willing to tell me how my experience going to China for a month as a mega autist will be?
how do you deal with being in crowds?

because you cannot avoid crowds in the big cities
and chinese people have no concept of personal space
and (in rural areas) you will get stared at

if you prepare well (get the relevant apps and read into which services you need)
it's gonna be pretty cool though
even better than Japan for no contact solo travel

>Autistic weebs are coming to China
Thankfully the language and manners barrier will fuck you over and you will never come near me

>>2799628
NTA
What if I come to China with a good base of people that are happy to meet or accommodate me (in exchange for certain romantic favors)?

>>2798206
>>2798223
Paki men are having sex with thousands of underage white girls in Birmingham.

https://youtu.be/J7f-lIA30Fc
Video about Cantonese usage declining in Guangzhou

I have mixed feelings about dialect preservation in mainland China

Like on one hand it's sad to see history being mowed over in the name of progress

Yet I'm also pretty glad China has strong national pride + weak regional pride, including language and other factors, because India is what China could've looked like w/o communism/socialism, and them having 23 official languages is causing them all sorts of problems imo

Also other "Chinas" (TW, SG, SEA communities) aren't so squeaky clean about non-Mandarin dialects either

>>2799662
If anything I just find it funny that diaspora populations get so uppity about cultural decline when they are the ones that ran away from their homeland and speak foreign languages.

>>2799662
As a foreign born Chinese I feel like that regarding Shanghainese.
I do speak it with my parents but I doubt that my children will be speaking it.

Ironically, I do speak it much better in comparison to other native millennials or zoomers because they were prohibited from speaking it at school so they botch it or mix mandarin in it.

>>2799662
>>2799760
Mandarin was always official, in the Ming dynasty Mandarin was called guanhua (official language) over 500 years ago. That's why Portuguese borrowed the Malay word for official, Menteri to refer to the Ming official language as Mandarin

Cantonese didn't even have characters to write it until new ones were invented in Hong Kong in the 1900s.

Only Mandarin and Classical Chinese could be fully written before the 1900s.

It's not comparable to India where Hindi was only made official after independence from Britain and languages like Tamil have a long literary tradition.

Communists are NOT the ones who made Mandarin official in China. Neither did the Nationalists (KMT).

Dialect usage is declining because women are educated now. In the Ming dynasty, foreign missionaries in Guangdong and Fujian said only educated males could speak Mandarin, and women did not.

>>2799778
>Dialect usage is declining because women are educated now.
No. My grandma was literate, which is an exception in the late empire/Republican era. She was even employed as a teacher after the revolution. She spoke "mandarin" with a thick Changshu accent. After all, there was no need to speak it. Everyone in every village or town spoke in the local dialect.

The decline is because of the dialect prohibition at schools. In my mother's time at school (she was born in the sixties) Shanghainese was still allowed at school so everyone was fluent in Shanghainese.
Nowadays everything is in mandarin so children don't speak properly or at all.

It's normal. The French eliminated patois via schooling. Here in North Germany no one speaks Platt and if you ask they can understand their grandparents but cannot speak it themselves.

>>2799792
Everything in schools was taught in Mandarin or Classical Chinese before.

You can't teach subjects in dialects that can't even be written. You couldn't teach literature or math when you can't even write Cantonese before the 1900s.

They would speak to their mothers at home in dialects because their mother didn't go to school.

How is Jinan like during December/January? Cold like Wisconsin cold or cold like Kentucky cold?

>>2799628
Ooga booga white devil coming to ruin women in august

>>2799792
But is eliminating patois or Platt the right thing to do?

>>2798076
>>2798087
Over 200,000 Korean girls were prostituted to Japanese businessmen in the 1970s.

https://newint.org/features/1993/07/05/sex#:~:text=They%20lighted%20on%20the%20Kisaeng,sales%20point%20for%20Japanese%20men.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43923277

https://books.google.fr/books?id=tNNyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT294&lpg=PT294&dq=%22these+developments+in+the+latter+part+of+the+decade%22&source=bl&ots=o57QUcXOV1&sig=ACfU3U1ye5cK7o37ls01HC9CTRlc67G9Lw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5_c2Jw5L7AhX7_7sIHcuDAxoQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=%22these%20developments%20in%20the%20latter%20part%20of%20the%20decade%22&f=false

https://g-turs.com/j-tour/japan-tour-holiday-pantip.html

https://www.academia.edu/40146397/International_Cases_in_Tourism_Management

https://books.google.fr/books?id=OwssBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=%22They+lighted+on+the+Kisaeng,+a+traditional+Korean+dinner+and+provocative+entertainment,+as+the+main+sales+point+for%22&source=bl&ots=SXbgbcjtDM&sig=ACfU3U2UMEuDOHT0imB5oQMAAFXvWgP-jw&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE5pyYwpL7AhUsgP0HHf-uBT0Q6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q&f=false

>>2798062
>>2798063
>>2798064
>>2798066
Chinese men from Fujian were grooming and importing Japanese women from Japan to Fujian, China in the 1920s, just a few years before Japan attacked China and set up Manchukuo.


https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for the past millenia


70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.

Over 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

And before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572

Japanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373

Japanese teenage girls whose families were killed in the firebombings and roasted alive and atomic bombing in Hiroshoma were forced into prostitution in the Recreation and Amusement association.

Over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children were roasted to death in one day in Tokyo during the firebombings in Operation Meetinghouse

Hirohito the cuck watched his capital and palace burn down and his women, both Japanese commoners and his own relatives get fucked by foreign men.

America then paid Japanese to experiment on Japanese children.

>>2798062
>>2798063
>>2798064
>>2800211

Every Chinese student, merchant and exile in Meiji Japan had Japanese concubines, like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Dai Jitao

Japanese were mass raped by Jurchens (Manchus) in the Toi pirate raids of 1019


Jurchens (Manchus) gang raped Jaanese girls while the Japanese navy was powerless to intervene.


China wrecked and destroyed Japan in every single naval battle before the Meiji restoration.

Japanese outnumbered Chinese at the battle of baekgang and Noryang point. China curbstomped Japan in both battles.

Japanese outnumbered Portuguese at the battle of Fukuda Bay. The Portuguese stomped on the Japanese and Portugiese took Japanese slave girls.

China defeated the same Portuguese at the battle of Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and battle of Veniaga (Shancaowan) in 1522.

Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for centuries. Hideyoshi and the Tokugawa shogunate provided Chinese merchants with Japanese girls.

Japan sold over 100,000 Japanese teenage girls as prostitutes to Chinese coolies and Western colonies in the Meiji restoration to modernise their military.

Japan's first naval victory against China was with the British built Meiji fleet paid for by Japanese prostitutes.

Japan used human wave attacks against outnumbered Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan and were massacred by Russian machine guns.

Japan begged Jews like Jacob Schiff to find them against Russia.

Japan's entire technological advantage against China in World War II was based on technology given to them by Britain and US (sempill mission) in exchange for Japanese prostitutes.

Japan lost every war with China before Meiji restoration.

Japanese admitted they compensated for numbers in World war II against China by western technology like mustard gas and tanks (gives to the by Britain) and they would have been curbstomped without western technology

>>>/his/17164434

>>2799693
Isn't there actually some phenomenon in which diasporas are more nationalist then their parents, or people who actually live in that country? Iirc it explains stuff like the European migrant crisis.

Bought the money.

>>2800212
>>2800211
>>2800184
nobody cares you retarded wumao sperg, chinks are cringe

>>2798063
>>2798064
>>2798066
>>2798076
>japan destroyed and rebuilt its entire culture in a nietzschean act of total vitalism to build a beautiful self out of one's own corpse
>chinkna still clings to aids like the falun gong despite the ccp being able to eradicate anything it desires at a moments notice
i think i know which country i prefer

>>2801232
Lmao good luck getting rid of that. It's not 10s anymore.

>>2801235
>>2801373
just ignore it, that guy is an infamous /his/ sperg known aptly as the chinkspammer who posts that exact text wall in every history thread that discusses anything in east asia

Korean men pimped 200,000 Korean women out to Japanese men in the 1970s and 1,000,000 Korean women to American soldiers in exchange for investment. Mongols and Central Asians also mass bred Korean women during Goryeo.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14147987/#q14147987

>>>/his/14147987

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13220256/#q13220256

>>>/his/13220256

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13277598/#q13277598

>>>/his/13277598

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

>>>/his/13043204

The Mongols also invaded and raped Korea and mongrelized Koreans by having sex with all their women so much the Korean courtier Pa-gyu openly said pure Koreans would become extinct.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13067378/#q13071837

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13048487

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/10828773/#q10828948

Gook

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043204

"for examples of korean wives and consorts of high-ranking"

https://www.coursehero.com/file/109673076/Robinson-Koryo-Women-and-Great-Yuan-Uluspdf/

https://brill.com/downloadpdf/book/9781684170524/BP000012.xml

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7fcFEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA314&lpg=PA314&dq=%22for+examples+of+korean+wives+and+consorts+of+high-ranking%22&source=bl&ots=Okq5ksxkHV&sig=ACfU3U1_EgN0yBiA91T5D7nUU_uaw1NkIw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjfm5PTqc_7AhU-_bsIHUQhDIMQ6AF6BAgGEAM

https://dokumen.pub/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-1nbsped-0674036085-9780674036086.html

https://vdoc.pub/documents/empires-twilight-northeast-asia-under-the-mongols-2i7l4ccfsq10

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14147987/#q14147987

Gooks

Korean women were handed out to Omani merchants

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/13043204/#q13043521

>>2799908
https://factrepublic.com/facts/12480

There is a white man cafe in Tokyo, where Japanese ladies ring a bell to summon tuxedo wearing Caucasians who respond with yes, princess? and serve them a cake.


https://twitter.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1686298256039399424

Japanese women on White men

https://twitter.com/DJBIndustries/status/1685845109927981056

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhP_bCxhTdg

Would Japanese Girls Date a White Foreigner? shorts

765,986 views Jun 14, 2023

We hit the streets of Osaka to find out what Japanese girls think of white guys and if they'd be open to date them!

japan dating relationship date love streetinterview asia asianboss staycurious


https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/67b8ii/til_there_is_a_white_man_caf%C3%A9_in_tokyo_where/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJsSoaomZSw

https://factrepublic.com/facts/12480

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butler_caf%C3%A9

https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/08/butlers-cafe-taps-into-a-common-fantasy-among-japanese-women.html

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/%E2%80%9Cwhite-man%E2%80%9D-caf%C3%A9-in-tokyo.1567847/

https://www.inverse.com/article/10730-tokyo-butler-cafes-white-men-in-japan-race-immigration-future-cities/

https://www.tsunagujapan.com/you-can-be-a-princess-for-a-day-try-japans-butler-cafes/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2008/01/20/general/savor-the-sensation-of-being-a-princess/

I am of Mainland Chinese heritage, and have been visiting my extended family in (mostly southern) China semi-regularly since 2011. I've witnessed China's remarkable transformation and ascension through firsthand experience, with all its positive and negative aspects.

I've never been to any of the "alternate Chinas" of HW, TW, Macau, or SG.

Whenever I go to China, there are a zillion da pai dang options.

Yet, per Wikipedia:
>Founded after the Second World War, dai pai dong are tucked next to buildings, on streets, and in alleys. For instance, the dai pai dong in the Central and Western District are regard as "terrace type" dai pai dong since most of the streets are sloped, meaning the stalls occupy different terraces. In the late 20th century, the Hong Kong government decided to restrict the operation and license of dai pai dong in order to remove them from public streets. Some were relocated into indoor cooked food markets built by the government. After the decline of dai pai dong from the 1970s, most of them no longer operate within the family but through sole proprietorship or partnership instead.
>According to the Food and Environmental Hygiene Department, only 17 dai pai dong remained in Hong Kong as of July 2024, down from the 25 in 2014.

What's up with this? Is it another Mainland W? Are the da pai dang places I visit in Mainland China not "real" da pai dang (which is sort of the same situation as Abrahamic houses of worship)?

>>2802449
Any tips on da pai dang for gweilo?

Fuck xi'an and fuck every fat fuck who shiled for it worst food ever and I also missed my train

>>2802870
Try being more punctual (with your writing so I can understand you, and with your schedule so you don't miss trains)

I'm an American born Chinese who just went to China for the first time and unironically I hate the entire west and all wh*Te people now

>>2803607
GOOD stay there you fucking slant

>>2803638
No, I'm staying in America to take all of your resources, then I'll leave once it collapses.

Why don't you leave our China's thread? You can't even speak Chinese, you're like a nigger here.

>>2802870
Shaanxi cuisine slander will NOT be tolerated in ChG, go fuck yourself

>>2803894
I only eat chicken, which not a single reaturant had it as an option :( so I went to the busiest resturant and asked the girl at the front what is the best dish and got it

It was a lamb meat in a soup with small bread it was so disgusting I forced myself to eat half of it

Based on my experience the best food I had in china was in Chengdu, Sichuan is the best, I <3 sichuan pepper
>>2802894
LOL

>>2804303
>I only eat chicken
there is your problem right there. time for you to join the porkbelly-eating masterrace

>>2804303
>I only eat chicken
americans really be like this

>>2802870
how is Xi'an food aside? My friends don't want to go to Shanghai for whatever reason so I'm looking for another city to spend a few days in after Beijing

>>2805228
>>2805252
I'm Muslim :P

>>2805268
Personally I wouldn't recommend Xi'an,

Xi'an is great for
-Food |
--> Muslim district, the most famous place for food in Xi'an
-History
---->Terracotta warriors | Almost one hour away from Xi'an so you would have to at least waste one day there

I'm not interested in these two and found Xi'an very boring,

I only went there because it is a 4-Hour train from Beijing, and from Xi'an to Chengdu it is a 3-Hour train, And I heard it is the best food in china + I'm Muslim so I was like let me stay for two days try the food and dip

Based on how many days you can put, and where you flying out of china from, I would suggest looking into Chengdu & Chongqing they are 1 hour away from each other but the 7 hour train from Beijing is a huge factor, good luck in your trip, if you have any qs i could help with let me know

>>2805335
if you're muslim it should all be halal anyway right, chicken or not? so wouldn't you just go to the muslim restaurants?

>>2805338
True, The chicken thing is me being a picky eater </3 Idk why but I vomit when I eat fish or lamb

>>2805335
I see, thanks for the input! We'll consider skipping it (we were looking into reaching Chengdu/Chongqing anyway) or maybe just doing a one night stop there for the terracotta warriors.
Just out of curiosity (since I eat more or less everything), how hard is eating in China in general as a muslim? According to my brother translators aren't all that reliable so how do you make sure to get only halal stuff without knowing the language (assuming that you don't speak chinese)?

>>2805518
Food-wise they are a lot of Halal restaurants, but it is hard to find someone who knows how to cook chicken, it is always boiled with bones, but everyone of a while I will find one that's great

You can use:
Baidu map or Amap
Meituan
Rednote (Xiaohongshu)
To look for restaurants
For Halal search "清真" in the app, they usually have a green sign, or these words will be written on the sign

If you are on android I would HIGHLY suggest checking out the "Circle to Search" by google feature, it is a total game changer, it will translate whatever in your screen if you press on the home button since most apps are in Chinese

>>2805538
>If you are on android I would HIGHLY suggest checking out the "Circle to Search" by google feature, it is a total game changer, it will translate whatever in your screen if you press on the home button since most apps are in Chinese
damn that's a good tip, I had no idea about that feature, much appreciated

POV: you're listing the number of good hiking spots in China