Going to Germany next month, but still undecided on wtf I should do.
Should I spend a few days in Berlin area, then head down south to Munich area for final days, OR should I focus entirely on Northeastern Germany and just do day trips to all the cities near Berlin?
I have 10 days.

Also general Germany thread

the Economic zone #3 "Germlandz"-LLC irl isn't at all like your fantasy
it's ugly, boring and bland. in that order
destroyed in WW2 and never recovered. it wasn't all too pretty beforehand either

you're better off visiting Poland

>>2799015
as far as german architecture goes, pic related is about as good as it gets... not very good. bland

blame the prots and their soullessness

Gotta figure out what you want to do. Berlin for degenerate activities. Bavaria for beer, historic towns and nature. Baltic coast is cool but kind of boring. Most of west Germany is expensive and frankly a bit boring.

What are my chances of getting laid here?

>>2799004 (OP)
Personally I would spend the whole time in southern Germany especially Bavaria. It's my favorite region of Germany.
>Munich
>Nuremberg
>Rothenburg
>Nordlingen
>Black Forest
>Alps

>>2799004 (OP)
Berlin has it's charme and you can easily spend 10 days there and in the surrounding. That said the south is very different overall. Different food, beer, people, cleaner, safer. Overall more pretty I guess. Also nice to see. And Munich - Berllin has that rather quick ICE train connection. At least 2 or 3 days in Munich wouldn't hurt for sure. Maybe a day to the alps. Elvis Presley was stationed near Frankfurt and he drove to Munich twice because he liked it a lot. He skipped Berlin.

>>2799016
There are some old towns left that didn't get destroyed. Also here and there some pre-ww2 architecture. Always nice to see.

>>2799031
If you can't get laid in your home country it's more difficult in Germany I guess. What I find easier is to get a gal that is into femdom and other kinky stuff. But I'm a German so not sure about gaijin. There are whole online communities and apps for that and I find most rather wanna meet directly in person instead of texting all the time.

Rate my Germany itinerary

>arrive Berlin
>3.5 days of hanging around in Berlin
>1 day trip to Potsdam
>1 day trip to Hamburg
>take train to Munich
>1.5 days hanging in Munich
>1 day trip to the Eagles Nest
>go home the next day from Munich

This doesnt mention the actual sites I wanna see, but is this a good general first time trip? Or is too much crammed in too little time?

>>2799433
Skip Hamburg and add the day to Munich and it's fine. Hamburg is worth more than a day, so save it for another trip.

>>2799004 (OP)
Dusseldorf and Cologne were sold to me as underrated gems and they were completely boring

>>2799762
Both of them are more niche/seasonal destinations.
Düsseldorf is great for foodies, weebs, weeb con and during carnival that has a few things for anyone else
Köln is great for fags, cheap foodies, alcoholics and during carnival for anyone else you got the dome and just get out.

Can anyone reccomend some central and northern German towns and cities?
Im considering Hannover, Hamburg and Bremen, and ideally some smaller charming towns with cute old ladies

>>2799004 (OP)
Berlin is worth plenty of time; the rest of the north east not as much unless you are really interested in former communist/Cold War sites.

>>2799917
Kiel you can take a ferry ride to see a UBoat, Luneburg is quite charming and well preserved and an easy day trip from Hamburg

>>2799917
Hamburg is great, Bremen is very similar to hamburg just way smaller.
If you want something different I would suggest Kiel or Flensburg or go east and try Rostock or Stralsund.

>>2799917
lübeck
mölln
the small northern sea islands
or go to denmark


>>2799016
there are many kinds of german architecture
you pic is somewhere nrw/he/ns
also if it pisses you off, improve it

Any options for budget lodging? Should I just stealth camp?
Are the hostels full of fags and browns are will they be okay for sleep and possibly meeting cool people?

>>2799433
>>2799457
agree, Hamburg isnt worth it on this trip, too far and desu I have found it to be one of my least liked cities I visited in Germany (other than Frankfurt).

as other poster said add a day on to Munich. If feel like you have seen enough of central in a day (honestly, if you know what you want to see and spend 12 hrs walking around, I think one day can be enough - which I know is controversial, but just my opinion) spend a day going to Dachau and nymphenburg palace. Or day trip to either Chiemsee (only advise if sunny day as otherwise it wont be very pleasant, for bavaria's answer to versailles) or Regensburg.


Alternatively, keep everything the same, but stop for a day in Nuremberg on way to munich - its on the way and its one of my favourite cities in Germany

>>2799917
If you go to Hamburg, definitely do even a half day trip to Lubeck. I think it only took me 45 mins on train from central station.

>>2799004 (OP)
North east mostly has nature stuff; the nice baltic beach and the Mecklenburg lake area. Nothing else in terms of cities though outside of Berlin. Maybe Spreewald. Depends on what you like. If you like nature stay there, if you want to see more classically german stuff go south. Theres much more to see in the central-southern area. Thuringia and Bavaria are beautiful.
>>2799433
Potsdam is skippable too. If you want to see big german cities, munich and berlin are pretty much enough.
>>2799917
Weimar, maybe Wittenberg (Protestantism was founded there)

>>2800258
Well Hamburg has it's qualities. A harbor tour with the Speicherstadt is really cool, the luxury center around the Rathaus has something and the nightlife of St. Pauli is it's own really great thing. If you're under 30 it's a 10/10 place to explore, party, fuck and get drunk. Family travel is okay you got a awesome Zoo (seriously Hagenbeck is fantastic) and the Miniature wonderland is great for the kids and I also really enjoyed that. Gourmet food lover get their fix there too and for the old you got some world class golf courses and culture.
I agree Hamburg is special but it's still worth 2-3 days for any age group while Frankfurt is complicated and for special interests unless you're willing to take day trips as you find so many great places a 1h train ride away that are almost untouched by tourism and really shine.

>>2799004 (OP)
Germany has some great castles ALTHOUGH French castles are even better. But if you've seen them already, head to Germany (and epecially Rheinland, Swabia, and Bavaria) to see their castles NOW.

>>2799004 (OP)
Go to Essen, I love it.

>>2800156
The type of migrants who use hostels and travel around are usually not the violent type. Its viable. Just have an eye on your belongings.
In more rural areas that are known to get visitors, older people often rent out a room or flat for quite cheap without posting it online. There, it can be worth (and fun) to just go there, loiter around and hope for the best.
Stealth camping only in quite rural areas. Its forbidden and germany is a dense country. Chances are someone will see and report you. Might work if you larp as homeless idk

>>2800586
>ALTHOUGH French castles are even better
uhm no
they are different

what you would usually consider a castle is a "château fort", but most castles that are count as castles in france are not fortified, just regular château's
which are cool but something a bit different

Germany has, due to it's history of really being 100s of fragmented "states" / sovereigns, basically only the french equivalents of "château fort"
or even more fortified cities / villages

also geographic difference
and build up through longer time
makes German castles usually historically more interesting

Germoid bros, is there still plenty of historical architecture if a tourist focuses on smaller towns? I'd assume most of the bombing, pic related, was focused on industrial centres so little historical towns should still be somewhat prevalent?

>>2800644
>were small towns less bombed and have more historic buildings?
you can't really make that kind of blanket statement

just to give a few examples
Tübingen or Ravensburg were bombed and still most buildings survived
Frankfurt or Dresden rebuild their historic centers in recent years
Munich or Nürnberg rebuild right after WW2 and look (for some part) quite similar to pre war

small cities weren't bombed, but unless historically significant all you'll find are a few unimpressive timber framed farm houses
small cities that survived well were already past it's prime in WW2 and only regained popularity due to tourism in recent decades
e.g.
Goslar, Weimar, Marburg, Wernigerode, Quedlinburg etc.

so the size of the city doesn't really correlate with bombing intensity
it's more a combination of industrial base in the 30s/40s and rebuilding decisions post WW2

generally there is plenty of historical architecture everywhere though

>>2800653
Thanks, genuinely want to visit at some point, love German/HRE history and would like to see some of the old stuff for my self.

>>2799457
>>2800258
>>2800311
Ok I took out Hamburg and added a day to Berlin. I arrive in the morning so I really have 5 full days in Berlin area. I'll spend one of those on Potsdam. I'm not skipping it, because it actually has things I'm interested in it.
In Munich, I still have about 2.5 days, depending on how early my train arrives. 1 of those days will be spent at Eagles Nest, my main motivation for Munich desu, but I'm not sure if I should spend another day on a day trip. I'm not interested in Dachau, because I've been to Auschwitz and frankly, if you've seen one you've seen them all, however I was contemplating Neuschwanstein Castle, although if I did both day trips, idk if I'd be missing out on the actual city of Munich

>>2800655
>HRE history
then Aachen, Frankfurt, Regensburg and Wetzlar would be good starting points

if you just want medieval vibes or even larp
a few cities I really liked
>Meersburg
>Cochem
>Nördlingen
>Quedlinburg
>Celle
>Rothenburg ob der Tauber
yes the last one is very touristic, but for all the right reasons

if you come in December, during Christmas time
you can search for medieval Christmas markets
they typically have lots of "old" / historic crafts there
medieval markets / festivals as well but these are often more music or kids oriented

>>2800156
The migrants I've encountered in Europe have all been very well-behaved. Only when they are in their migrant ghettos surrounded by their buddies and feeling confident do they start causing trouble. Still, hostels suck. All it takes is one guy who snores or has awful smelling shoes to ruin the whole dorm.
>finding a place to stay on the spot
Lugging your bags all over town looking for a place to stay isn't all that fun, unless you have the boundless energy of youth.
>stealth camping
It's easy to hide in the summertime foliage, especially at night. However, dirt and odors will build up over time when living the vagabond life. Europeans are very snooty people, and they do not approve of broke foreign vagrants traipsing around their quaint little villages. It doesn't take much to develop an antipathy toward the locals.

>>2800156
>Should I just stealth camp?
It's illegal and you will get caught. It's almost completely impossible to get even 500m away from the last sing of civilization in Europe and especially Germany. Even the woods, people go there all the time.

>>2800156
>Are the hostels full of fags and browns are
>will they be okay for sleep and possibly meeting cool people?
yes
but you have to pick the right hostels
>Jugendherbergen (DJH)
are typical very nice (location / building)
but you have to deal with lots of high schoolers and they're kinda expensive for hostels

don't go to anything named hostel near central train stations

otherwise the standard advice
>read the hostel reviews
>look at hostel location and decide if that's a location like minded people would go

>>2800707
>and they do not approve of broke foreign vagrants traipsing around their quaint little villages
kek

that's because there are barely "public" unprotected lands in Germany
it's all densely populated and privately owned land or a protected reserve

if you just have a tarp
you can get away with wild camping for a night at most places (only viable in summer)
but otherwise you'll be caught and pay a couple hundred € fine

>>2799015
Pooland stinks

>>2800545
What good areas are near Frankfurt?

Also, after I leave Frankfurt I'm heading towards Munich

>>2800829
Well you got Wiesbaden with a 10/10 cultural scene and a high roller casino that is worth it's name and reputation, you got Aschaffenburg for your quick Bavaria fix and the Spessart for 8,5+/10 hikes if you got a car or want to plan, for coomers well there's Oase and some other high profile p2p night clubs, if you got a family the Zoo Frankfurt is cool but the real gem is the Opel Zoo near Kronberg that is worth a visit anyway.
If you enjoy top tier food Frankfurt has a lot of options even for a lower budget and the äppler Kneipen in Sachsenhausen are fun to get wasted.

>>2800658
im >>2800258

definitely go to Potsdam. I have been there twice, once in the height of summer a couple of years ago (35 degrees) and then just this last February when it was covered in snow and both were lovely in their own way. The only advice I would give for Potsdam is to book online if you want to go inside any of the buildings now, as I didn't know that and the first time I went was in the height of summer and I could not get in to the palaces. The park is free and you can wander around in anycase and I still had a great time, but it was disappointing as I love palace interiors and I didn't know at that stage I would ever be back in Potsdam as I thought it was a once in a lifetime thing. But I have since found myself back in Berlin like 5 times in the last couple of years and this winter there was no need to book in advance as there just weren't many people there. I could get a ticket to see sanssouci and the New Palace on the day.


Same goes for the reichstag. Its free, but you have to book. All of my trips to Berlin have been last minute and I have never been able to get a slot. Even when I was last there - a week out all the places had been reserved.


>>2800545
I understand on paper why people can like Hamburg, its just for several reasons I didn't really enjoy it. I loved my day trip to Lubeck, but didn't vibe with the city. To be fair it was pouring with rain and in the middle of winter, and the weather makes a huge difference to how you enjoy a place. While the old shipyard area would have been cool to chill out and stroll around on a nice day - Ice cold song winds and rain made the experience not that great. Plus not to be too politically incorrect; I hated the whole migrants/ immigrants who make (at least the central and north of the transtation) the whole area feel sketchy and like you are in the Middle East or Africa. Same with Frankfurt, though as a physical city I find Hamburg to be more interesting.

Is the Berlin clubbing house/techno scene worth checking out? Will i fit in and meet cool people or chicks as a decent looking 33 year old burger?

>>2800667
thanks! much appreciated

>>2800839
Thanks for the info, at quick glance it looks like I could spend a few days each in Wiesbaden and Aschaffenburg, and maybe a day trip to Kronberg. I'm kind of a slow traveller and just like to walk and soak up the vibes and go to museums and parks.

Any cities or towns of note in the circled area? I already have Rothenburg ob der Tauber on my radar

>>2801054
Oh it's perfect for a couple of days of slow travel and just fool around. Bonuspoints for simple but good food and very taste wine/beer/cider where ever you go lower franconia and hessia are actually cider and wine centers.

You didn't post a pic but I guess Nürnberg and the region, well Würzburg is awesome to stroll around and Tauberbischofsheim too. Then closer to Rothenburg would be Ansbach or even Bad Windsheim(this one is small but a great stop for a afternoon, lunch/dinner or just to spend the night) then we got Nürnberg for sure if you want it less touristic Erlangen (university city that gets hit mostly by regional tourism) last but not least Regensburg.

>>2801082
My wife’s family is from Erlangen and it looks a lot different then it did 15 years ago.

>>2801095
Oh it did but well it's still pretty comfy imo.

>>2800644
Op forgot to include this classic image

>>2801082
Oh and a pro tip just look for Kirchweih or Kerwa in the region, it's a local festival (think county fair) with some rides, music a lot of beer and sometimes even fireworks... They can be huge or super small but are pretty fun and worth a detour where you might find a super hidden gem of town/city by just giving it a shot.

>>2800882
Defenitely worth checking out. Usually need some connections or a good vibe to get into the better clubs tho

>>2801104
>doesn't include Cologne as category below bombed beyond repair
>just ignores Ruhrgebiet despite cool historic industrial stuff

others are hilarious too
>Baden-Baden peak German aesthetics
holy kek
other than the Casino, a thermal bath and like 2 streets it's a really shitty city

>Bad Homburg on same level as Marburg and Wetzlar
Marburg and Wetzlar actually have complete streets out of timbered houses

>Heilbronn even on the map
unless you work for Lidl HQ what are you even doing there

east German cities are pretty accurate though
lots of smaller cities missing (for understandable practical reasons), especially in Bavaria and Lower Saxony

>>2801082
Thank you so much

>>2801082
Are there notable areas within the circle?

>>2801668
Well you got Heidelberg that is cool, else you go all the way over to Strasbourg, up to Freiburg, or you go up to lake Constance, there you got Konstanz, Friedrichshafen or Lindau that have something going. Anything else in your marked area well you can find some comfy small towns worth a stop and a beer but pretty much anything larger got bombed to shit or is now in total decay due to the downfall of industry that started in in the early 2000s.
On the outskirt of Munich you got Starneberg, Herrsching or Rottach-Egern they're small but really comfy and if you want to go for a hike worth a stop.

If I'm only in Munich long enough for 1 day trip, which is better: The Eagle's Nest, or Neuschwanstein Castle?

>>2801687
I still have to visit the eagles nest, but I can say Ive seen Neuschwanstein and it gave me a big boner

>>2799015
A huge part of the few things worth seeing in Poland was built by German colonialists. Have self awareness.

>>2801968
mutt moment

Should I avoid flying in and out of Frankfurt? I will bus or train to Munich asap but im wondering if it will be worth a night or 2 to stay in before flying home or if its too infested to enjoy

>>2802092
Frankfurt is okay just the area around the main station is a complete mess and sadly the first impression you get from the city. There's a small old town with some history/museums, Kleinmarkthalle for foodies and the Äpplerkneipen (Cider taverns) in Sachsenhausen for the general traveler. The Opera is great if you enjoy that, it has a cool zoo but again not for everyone, then you have a great food scene if you're into upper/gourmet tier food, some gentleman clubs for p2p and a interesting nightlife/club scene that is it's own thing.
To put it simple Frankfurt is a banking city and the center (CBD) will start to empty out at the end of business hours and is pretty much ded by 9pm as everyone goes back to their "village in the city" or any comfy place within a 1h train/car radius. What is left is the junky/red light center around the main station and the designated nightlife areas.

Frankfurt Airport is well connected (straight to the ICE network) if you don't have connecting flights it's actually a okay airport to arrive/depart just keep in mind this thing is a maze under perma construction for over 10 years and will stay that way for at least 5 more. So depending on when you arrive it can be super smooth or wild stuff.

Do what you want but IMO it's a okay place to stay for 1-2 days just stay outside of the Bahnhofsviertel and it's good.

>>2802119
>Frankfurt Airport
>it's actually a okay airport to arrive/depart
personally it's one of my favorite airports
especially if you travel with Lufthansa Status, it's really good

a bit biased, because it's my home airport and I fly a lot from there
but that also means I never realized how shitty it is for transit
only get to hear the horror stories / bad experiences
and always thinking to myself "oh well I never had that", before I realize, I never had a transit through FRA despite like 200+ flights from / to there

also Frankfurt central station is kinda okay
it's just that one direction you shouldn't walk to
but every other one is fine

>>2802122
I'm from Zurich, so I connect often trough FRA just because. As a arrival/departure airport it's 9/10 times totally great but sometimes you get lost in the maze. For connections it can really suck even connecting from LH/LX to LH/LX flights. But it's nothing compared to the hell that is CDG or IST.
I'm just a SEN status holder so I sadly can't bypass the entire mess via the FCT on all my travels.

>>2802142
Hows the public transport from city center to the airport?
And is frankfurt even worth a day or two for exploring ans chilling?
FKK?

>>2802144
>Hows the public transport from city center to the airport?
Good, reliable and usually very fast.
>And is frankfurt even worth a day or two for exploring ans chilling?
You can cover a day easily and even some more, see >>2802119 else the region has a lot to offer within a 1h train ride.
>FKK?
Yeah they exist.

>>2801687
>Neuschwanstein
At least I would. Its a slightly easier trip to do in a day and although typically very busy, is still impressive. Unless you are obsessed with Nazi history, Eagle's Nest is only OK. Much of the charm is the wider area of Berchtesgaden - hikes and boat trips on Koingsee etc which can be done in a day if staying close by, but not that great is leaving from and going back to Munich.

Both need a decent amount of playing if doing it in a day and arent doing a tour that picks and drops you off in munich

>>2802150
*both need a decent amount of planning

>>2802146
Oh shit my bad I missed that post in the thread, thx
>>2802150
neaustastatastein castle
Idk bro I just took the train to and from and walked my ass to the viewing point and then upclose with no planning
To go inside you might need some planning though

Is this accurate?

>>2803079
kek
but no

>1st guy
mostly eastern but only there in commie block
and also most russia-germans

regular people in eastern Germany don't dress ( behave much differently than anywhere else
(except when they show their /pol/tier powerlevel)

>2nd family
maybe on (village) fairs or weddings
i grew up near the alps and the only time we wore (and still do wear) traditional clothing is for weddings

pic related is what rural people in Germany actually wear
and you see this quite often in southern or eastern Germany

>3rd talahons
only at central train stations of big cities everywhere in Germany
or some near some night clubs / bars
they look and behave like retards but usually harmless

>>2803106
Do Germans exchange pleasantries like good morning or good night with strangers, or hotel clerks or store clerks

Not the OP but i am also headed to germany in august, specifically munich area. I want to make my trip as degenerate as possible with FKK and potentially sex parties/gangbangs. Is there any good sites for these?

>>2801687
Both of those are great. I can’t imagine having to choose. Add an extra day to a Munich.

>>2803288
Can you spend more than a day at each location?

>>2803288
Already booked my hostels.
I'll have 3 days in Munich, though it's really 1.5. I'll arrive by train around mid day, explore the city, see some sites I'll have time for, maybe some night life. Then on day 2 I was planning to do basically the same for the whole day, complete anything I missed. Then day 3 I'd be at the Eagles Nest all day, and fly home early in the morning next day.
Do you think I could still squeeze in Neuschwanstein Castle on day 2?

>>2803335
Neuschwanstein is a 2 hour trip south. Youll have to either walk up or take carriage. Youre better off seeing it over the eagles nest.

>>2803338
I'm already seeing Sansoucci Palace on this trip while in Berlin. Eagle's Nest seems more unique and I don't want to burn myself out with palaces. At least that's my reasoning. I could still be swayed, but that's why I've been leaning Eagle's Nest

Bayern >>>> powergap >>>> all other parts of Germany

can anyone redpill me on Rostock?

>>2803278
>Do Germans exchange pleasantries like good morning or good night
really depends on who you are talking to
good morning is pretty common
good night would be kinda weird if it's not friends or family

so for good morning:
>with strangers,
your neighbors? yes
in very rural areas? yes
some random stranger in the bus or tram? no
>or hotel clerks
i tend to say no, but either way is fine
>or store clerks
supermarkets? no
small mom n pop stores? yes

regarding good nights, which would directly translates to
>Gute Nacht
which is quite "intimate"
you only really say this to you family, friends, partner etc. but definitely not strangers
the more "general" version would be e.g.
>Schönen Abend noch / Ihnen (nice evening to you)
>Bis morgen (until tomorrow; something to say to colleagues)

>>2803335
Yes, but there is quite a bit of walking on the Neuschwanstein visit. You’d be pretty much wiped out by the time you return to Munich later that afternoon. But it’s certainly doable.

>>2803335
I've heard the castle is not worth going inside. Tourist trap. The outside and surrounding areas are meant to be nice though.

>>2803450
>the castle is not worth going inside
depends on how many castles you've already seen
it's still cool, just not as special as it is from the outside

Schloss Herrenchiemsee is much more interesting inside though

if you visit 5 other castles / palaces during your stay, skip the inside
if it's your only stop, then might as well do everything when there

>>2803450
If seem the insides of a lot of palaces, castles and chateaux in Europe, and I thought Neuschwanstein was one of the more interesting ones. The murals depicting Germanic myth, especially interesting given his friendship with Wagner. And the swan motif repeated throughout.

>>2803079
Sorta, would add thuringia to the middle circle tho. Also foreigners are everywhere but in rural eastern areas. There you have alabama tier methhead wiggers tho
>>2803380
Pretty average city. The harbor is nice but nothing special. If you want to enjoy the baltic Rügen/Hiddensee and Usedom are better

>>2803982
Thanks anon. I met a girl from there last year when she was visiting the US.

>>2799004 (OP)
The southeast is the only place with beautiful nature. There are many beautiful cities in Franconia, Bavaria and Baden. Maybe you can start in Berlin, drive down and visit some eastern cities like Dresden on the way, then Franconia, then Noerdlingen, Allgaeu/Zugspitze/Neuschwanstein and finally Munich.

>>2804797
and maybe you shouldn't fall for the southwest meme. the black forest is boring and nothing like the bavarian forest or the alps/allgaeu. Heidelberg and Colmar are special and perhaps the most beautiful German cities, but otherwise there's much more to see in the eastern half of Germany.