Thread 2805635

Henlo frens. I wanna ask you guys if you guys would move away if you were me:

>38
>Married
>2 sons (3 and 1 years old)
>Lives in rural LATAM (where I was born and raised)
>Father is Spanish, so I have an EU passport
>Roughly 100k USD in passive income yearly
>House paid off in a good gated community, can rent it for 4k USD monthly if needed

As you can see, it's a very comfy life, but I'm maybe condemning my kids to live in a brown shithole surrounded by the most degenerate people on earth. Culture here is abysmal and being well mannered is unironically considered a homo trait. We also need armored cars because it is violent as fuck and you need to have your streetsmarts on full auto the entire time you leave your house.
Thing is, I feel like the whole west is slowly turning into this with the rampant african and muslim immigration. Last time I was in Europe (UK, France and Spain) was in 2019, so I can't say for sure if I'm assuming things right or I'm just being too much pessimistic. I think USA is pretty great outside the metro areas, but getting in legally will be too much of a hassle and expensive.

Thoughts? Where would you raise your family?

>>2805635 (OP)
Stay in LATAM where your kind belong. Please!

>>2805635 (OP)
>daily russian demoralization thread #4291
Reminder many countries in Latin America are safer and have lower murder rates than R*ssia.

>>2805635 (OP)
The USA honestly

>>2805635 (OP)
Poland is where I'd go

>>2805640
Yeah. The USA is the safest and most comfortable place to live if you are rich.

>>2805643
In the USA you can own up ur own arsenal, own a mansion in a gated community with private security in a gated sundown town with a private police force. No blacks, no minorities. Only the poors have to live in mixed communities.

>>2805639
Rent free

>>2805638
None of my grandparents was born here. I'm from nowhere and everywhere.

>>2805639
LATAM is waaaaaay more dangerous I believe

>>2805645
Where in the USA though? My parents live in South Florida, I visit them from time to time. The northernmost floridian place I've been was in a friend's homestead in Davie, it wasn't so bad. I did go to Naples on the other side too, was too much posh for my taste.

>>2805659
>random /pol/ image
>non-specified location
>demoralization propaganda about Europe being invaded but Trumpmerica being safe
Next time don't be so obvious, Ivan.

>>2805660
>LATAM is waaaaaay more dangerous I believe
False, Europe is way safer than America (despite being "invaded") and much of Latam is safer than Puccia.

>>2805661
That's demonstrably false, the only major LATAM countries that have lower homicide rates than Russia are Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba and Chile (by a very narrow margin):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country,_region,_or_dependent_territory
That's not "most" by any means. And I've heard very bad things about safety in Argentina nowadays.

>>2805635 (OP)
i live in latin america and i never heard of blinded cars being common. gated communities sure but you are not driving in a blinded car unless you are the literal president's son or some shit like that.

if u want to move somewhere just fucking do it since you have eu citizenship. weird thread idk, this is the travel board not the immigration board.

>>2805677
This is the best immigration board. Armored cars are pretty common here, not so much where I live (rural), but I go the metro areas weekly and there the armored sure makes a difference.

>>2805679
where is here? i never heard of that in peru
and it's not the safest of places.

>>2805681
It's easy to guess, there are three countries where armored cars are a thing, one is full of mexicans and the other two are full of blacks. Needless to say, rural areas are somewhat more normal, at least for now.

>>2805641
Yeah, we need more people stabbing women and plucking their eyes
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1940150303212675493

>>2805682
then you shouldn't say "in latam" if its a specific issue to your country (im guessing colombia then)
would have avoided all this hoopla

move to america if you prioritize business freedom or to europe if your concern is safety and walkable cities, don't see the issue

>>2805684
USA is continental and Europe is literally a continent, maybe more specific answers could help me. Also, I'm asking for more up to date info on living conditions in the first world since, according to this site, everywhere is shitting up like latam.

Go live somewhere rural in Europe. Or USA.

A comfy life isn't worth much if you have to be on your guard all the time.

>>2805666
>And I've heard very bad things about safety in Argentina nowadays.
Don't know what "you heard" but since Milei took office murder rate went down -16% yoy. Currently we are at 3.8 which is below Thailand and quite below the US. Still not Canada or Europe tier but I can buy a packet of smokes at 2 am without looking over my shoulder. We had a crime wave right after the pandemic but it seems to be over.

What I'm surprised about is Uruguay, I don't understand how it spiked so much there. I've always considered it a very safe country.

>>2805741
A single "killed his entire family before an heroing" event killing 5-6 people will blow up the statistics for years in a 1.2m country.
A single event made Norway africa tier for years when swimming coach Breivik offered free lessons.

>>2805686
Western Europe has a big problem with robberies and theft. Less so with homicides. America is kinda the opposite, with homicides being high but robberies and theft being less common. The street environment is affected by politics. Criminal gangs often operate with impunity for some time as voters begin clamoring for law and order. Then bam, a major crackdown arrests dozens of perps, and overnight the streets are safe again, as the mass arrest discourages other potential criminals.

Go to Southern Europe

>>2805824
Well the total count of murders in Uruguay in 2022 is 383, so a single event won't change anything in particular.

>>2805635 (OP)
Answer depends on how White are you. Please say your ethnicity and we can go from there

>>2806210
White passing, I guess? I'm spanish/italian with like 5% of christian lebane se into it and wife is croat/Italian, both kids have light brown hair and green eyes.

>>2806219
hmm. It is true as you said that the african muslim immigration is going everywhere in the West except for Poland/Slovakia/Hungary.
With your passive income you could legitimately live in any country on earth.

If you want your kids to grow up around peers that are not swarthy and low-IQ degenerate, I would suggest a rich neighbourhood of Toronto (e.g. Castle Frank) and send your kids to private schools (Upper Canada College). But this is very expensive - $2 million for a house or more. If you can't afford it don't bother because everything else will be filled with metaphorical and literal niggers. desu you could probably send your kids to prestigious boarding schools in your own country or to the so-called "British Schools" that are scattered throughout the world incl. in switzerland

Argentina under Milei is rapidly improving and with your Spanish that seems like a no-brainer, no? You may also consider Japan as they have been liberalizing their immigration laws recently while cost of living seems relatively low. Russia is much maligned but I've been there and it actually can be a beautiful place to live, if you can learn the language - you would probably want to wait for the war to end though.

>>2806219
Greece is the one for you. Good luck, OP. Wouldn’t raise a family where you are now from the sound of it.

>>2805635 (OP)
You want to set your kids up for the future. I wouldn't want to raise children in rural latam.

>100k passive income
If this is true then almost any country is viable. But considering that you have a family to support I would not count on it.

Western Europe is your best bet. Don't go ultra rural, but a mid size town should be a good balance between cost of living, education, work opportunities, etc. Probably not worth trying for the US. Maybe apply for the lottery in case you get lucky. Definitely do not move to Eastern Europe.

My recommendation: Northern Spain or Portugal. Look into Bilbao. Could try Austria or Italy, if you are so inclined. Either way, get into Europe, then you can change from there if you don't like it.

>>2805661
>>2805666
>>2805824

Crime stats are so bullshit it isn't even funny.

https://youtu.be/XbPI6vjMtsM?si=t9cfk7QPHgO3R4Zo

>>2806129

383 hundred isn't much, and Uruguay's population isn't big (3,444,263). If there were 393 murders next year, it would represent a 2.61 percent increase in murder. Does that represent a legal crises, or does it represent ten more guys who couldn't plea down to manslaughter?

It could be harsher sentencing making murders of what would be manslaughters. Or better policing bringing more murderers to justice, or worse policing convicting the wrong men. Or increased scrutiny of suspicious deaths that later turn out to be accidents or suicides. It could be a lot of things.

>>2805635 (OP)
>>Roughly 100k USD in passive income yearly

Congrats. What is that from, OP?

The answer is "Panama."
Nobody else needs to reply to this thread now.

>>2806390
>Crime stats are so bullshit it isn't even funny.
Cope.

>Does that represent a legal crises, or does it represent ten more guys who couldn't plea down to manslaughter?
It represents a crisis which has been talked about since 2022, a cursory google search would have given you this answer instead of talking bs. Drug gangs have organized across the border towns with Brazil, and the number of murdered people has spiked. It's just surprising because it's Uruguay is all.

https://www.latinnews.com/component/k2/item/76052-uruguay-brazil-chuy-chui-border-becomes-new-violence-hotspot.html

>>2805635 (OP)
>>2805660
So it sounds like you're ok with your kids being rootless immigrants who never have a place they can call home and who don't get to have a meaningful relationship with their grandparents, and you enjoy living in a gated community and sound like you won't bother learning a new language. Why not go to eastern Europe to still feel rich and be surrounded by people who are living more honest lives than you and have good values? It's going to be impossible to find a place where you are accepted AND where there aren't any other countryless migrants like yourself, it's either/or. Go to any big western city if you don't want your kids to be bullied too hard, but there will be unsightly brown people.

>>2805635 (OP)
Yeah you should move, into a grave, you fucking larper

>>2805635 (OP)
>Father is Spanish
> but I'm maybe condemning my kids to live in a brown shithole
You're brown too so just stay put.