Thread 2806897

>2000s: Japan's peak for traveling
>2010s: Korea's peak for traveling
>2020s: China's peak for traveling
If you don't go to China, you're missing out.

>>2806897 (OP)
I actually get really sad watching some old videos or livestreams from the 2010s in Japan and Korea. Things were so much fucking better it's ridiculous. Is China really as fun as those places used to be?

Chinas alright but its not better than korea or japan.

>>2806897 (OP)
2000s was not peak for Japan.
I visited with my parents in 87 when I was a little kid and in 98 when I was a teenager. Both times were better than in 2002 when I visited as an adult. It was a totally different vibe in the 2000s. You got less for your money. You only got the most basic hospitality. And you could sense more resentments in the Japanese because their economy was obviously declining. Yes, it is much worse today and the facade is down. Japanese (not working in tourism) are openly hostile to tourists. Law enforcement is far less forgiving. And the gaijin tax is stronger than ever before.

>>2806906
go to sleep grandpa

>>2806906
Thanks for the postings grandpa. Confirms my biases made through online knowledge.

>>2806912
>>2806929
You are welcome. I am always willing to share my wisdom with tou ignorabt youngsters. Very few of you have the brains to appreciate it though. I am glad I got to see the world in the 1980s and 1990s before everything completely went to shit.

>>2806897 (OP)
>ITT fellow travelads whine about how better some destination was.
You know that youre not better than boomer, or some stuckup-in-time obssesed indivudual?
Sure, the place felt better when you were there when you were a kid/young.
Sure, the place was fresh and fell crowded with people and turtist.
See how many more people that have money to travel is, how in a span of last 30y,25,20y population of eatrh only keep growing.
People like>>2806906 are just stupid, Im in my late 30 but im positive that some kid that will go this year to jap will think its best place/its best trip and than he will say it was a bit worse if he go 10y after.
The real deal is to explore shit that isnt know, find some lowkey places. Anon probably went to aki and all of the other places tgat are basicly turist trap at this point and decided to whine about it because futher exploration would require him to spend somw more energy.

>>2806897 (OP)
2010s was China's peak for traveling. The OP picture is from Bar Rouge, Shanghai during 2010s.

>>2806938
oh i am not whining. I am just stating a fact. You can be a child and argue because you are ignorant. But the facts are facts. Japan is objectively worse today than it was 20, 30, and 40 years ago. The Japanese themselves know this. Itbis why they have some of the highest rates of suicide on the planet.

>>2806938
>Sure, the place felt better when you were there when you were a kid/young.
I'd say a lot of places do feel better when you grow up, it's just that you start looking at them differently and pay attention to different aspects. When I was 20, it was cool to stay at some hostel, talk to random people, go to nightclubs and whatever. Now that I am 30 one of the main thoughts in my head is "would I want to actually live in this city?".

Everywhere is shit now. Fuck you.

>>2806938
fuck off, it's impossible to have a normal discussion about which places are objectively worse now because some retard like you comes in seething that nooooo muh Japan is always amazing noooo the real Japan was the friends we made along the way.
Japan now is a literal fraction of the fun that it once was. you can keep seething in your weeb delusions or try to find a place that NOW is what Japan WAS back then. what will it be, bucko?

japan is getting jeeted

>>2806940
Im almost 40yo dude, just as I wrote but you cant read do you?
Japan is worse, for you, for all 30+ that expirienced it beofee it went to "shit", for japs and gajins alike, just majority of human population. Its a standard thing, people find new awsome place, supply meets demand, few years pass and suddenly place turns to shit. Popular places that dont meet this criteria are exceptions. Suicide rates dont have anything to do with this tho, it was crawling problem even then, theres just more exposition now.
>>2806941
I dont treat holiday destinations as a probable new home scenario, I dont want to live in japan, but sure everyone think diffrently. When I spoke about travelling while you are a kid, theres certain neural pathways still developing, you can develop a certain chemical reaction just because you expirience something and recalling it will trigger said pathway. It probably can be done when youre young adult, but to smaller degree. Also your senses are usualy stronger, thus you expirience everything more vivid.
>>2806950
I didnt state that japan is awsome anywhere in my post, just said that you can still find amazing things off beaten paths, you just have to look.
Imthe onoy one that dont focus on how shit japan is. I acknowleged that many places went to shit, but saying that all japan is shit is just ignorant and is just a whining.
Also I agree that seul is mostly shit nowadays, souther korea can still be nice tho.

Everyone in this thread should watch Tokyo Vice and live vicariously through that.

>>2806962
you really ahould go visit the suicide forest on your next tripnto Japan and do us all a favor. Your presence here makes the board objectively worse.

>>2806969
Youre quite fixed on idea of suicide, maybe you have some unresolved issues of your own mate, still the place got to popular after logan paul, so its shit advice. Ive heard people jump from high building in osaka nowadays, so i can recommend you this insteed, given your hipster attitude.

>>2806952
>JET program
>JETTed

>>2806897 (OP)
>china
>peak
It's not 2007 and Japan/Korea are better destinations than japan

>>2806906
>Japanese (not working in tourism) are openly hostile to tourists.
I never experienced this and Ive spend a total of 3 months in Japan within 2023 to 2025, with most time spend in rural towns. People were friendly or just ignored me like regular humans. Maybe it's a You problem? Did you get fat and ugly?

China still seems peak. In 2014, there were already LED covered skyscrapers. What would've changed? The tourist attractions existing in 2010 are more likely developed (more food stands, more stairs, more gondolas, more people), but you can just find other less appreciated tourist spots.

Are the women too educated now, and you can't manipulate them as easily now, or what?

Maybe Japan was more peak 1800-2005.

I have no clue about SK.

>>2807084
Do you speak Japanese?

2090s: India's peak for tourism

>>2806937
Yeah grandpa. Its just the way of debt cycles. Places are good when the governments can't loan shit, no assets and no printing of promises money. 2. They are constantly making new inventions. Which makes money and lowers corruption.
Japan has been stuck at free money government stage for a while. And all the commonwealth countries are about to follow it soon in the next 5 to 15 years. Now would be a good time to visit canada or australia. I wouldn't be suprised if its like you visiting japan in 1998. Except already full of pajeets...

China would be the place to go in the 2030s... If only it wasn't for the fact they are a corrupt system with a veil of fascism(legalism). Don't want to be there if you have any sort of valuable ties. Being held hostage in any form. And vice versa for them.

>>2807086
>LED covered skyscrapers
Lol. Chinese actually think this is how you define a developed society.

>>2807086
People claim it's not the same since covid, but you can never tell if they're just blackpilled retards, it's a fair chance.
Japan's problem today is that the yen is so weak that it's now comparable to other cheaper Asian destinations and the type of crowd they bring.
The higher prices were a good filter before.

>>2807084

I am not fat and ugly and as the other anon said, I can speak enough Japanese to know when they are talking shit. Of course they don’t say “gaijin” because they know foreigners know that word. Japanese hate their own form of sarcastic disdain. They don’t like being inconvenienced by foreigners who barely speak Japanese. They don’t like having to use English.

If you stay around long enough they get used to your presence.

>>2807270
I also want to add that a lot of my bias comes from the fact that I work in gaming journalism. Back then we still published on physical magazines. I went to Japan for the debut of the PlayStation 2. I came back with a Sony Vaio laptop and a few other gadgets that you couldn’t even buy in the US at the time. All made in Japan. That is what Japan was like back then. Now you find very little exclusive stuff and nearly all is Made in China.

>>2807202
>Japan's problem today is that the yen is so weak that it's now comparable to other cheaper Asian destinations and the type of crowd they bring.
With Thailand getting more expensive I wonder how long it will be until Japan is actually cheaper, or at least considered a better value by many people

>>2807278
Wasn't Thai currency affected by the risk of war? Or was that a nothingburger?

>>2807168
>>2807272
Yay for grandpa. That is exactly what i was talking about in terms of inventions. Worse off they can't do shit. Gov raises cost of borrowing and you'll just be like argentina. Paying off the debts of the wealthy while the average person has nothing to show for. No new technology. Not even housing debt because of the earthquakes affecting. We all know the Japanese have not been advancing technology in gaming either.
Grandpa if you know any japanese game developers. The only advice i can give them; they better make damm sure those auto translators work extremely well from jp to chinese... They are going to want those remimbi 10-15 years from now. It may be a new chinese currency by then.

There is a whole topic about the hatred between the 3 east asian countries. It is not that hard to believe they could extend that to americans/euros the more stress they feel.... I forgot what i wanted to say.

>>2806952
sanseito might have something to say about that

Climatically, southern India is so much better than China in wintertime. India also offers a 30 day eVisa for $25. Indians are much friendlier than Chinese.

>>2807293
The baht is stronger against the dollar now than it was back in April.

>>2807295
>japan can't do anything, the country will continue to slowly stagnate, china is the future, japan better get used to reminbi yada yada yada
all this doomerism is suspicious. you sound like a wumao shill. plenty of countries have pulled themselves out of a prolonged economic slump. and even if japan doesn't pull itself out of it, a gentle decline stretched over decades still sounds better than being enslaved to china. nothing's gonna happen as long as america continues to defend japan.

the worst part of japan's woes is the demographic decline but you hardly touched on that.
that's the trickiest part to "fix" but it seems to be a worldwide problem japan's just ahead of the curve and china is not that far behind.

>>2806897 (OP)
The groove train is moving southwesterly. 2030s looks like a Vietnamese or Indonesian peak.

>>2807335
>2030s looks like a Vietnamese
maybe true, but it won't be peak travelling for westerners since they've become wannabe Koreans over the past 10 years, and also cracked down on some fun and moved past the war nostalgia vibe

>>2806897 (OP)
>Anyone
>Go TO China
>On Purpose
>Even once

For what purpose? Traveling is for people who weren't born in the good nations, all that culture shit is just cope.

>>2807314
Reading comprehension: 0. What kind of wumao shill shits on china as a fascist corrupt nation? """"""" """".
I am saying. Currencies will be very different 10 years from now. Even if they do nothing. Sure on it's own, it means nothing.
They need to get off their asses and start making high tech shit. Inventions for video games is one place to start. Which to grandpa, would be easily visible as a sign they are picking back up

>>2806897 (OP)
I agree somewhat.
I think Chinese culture is really improving fast. Like, young Chinese people are actually nice and friendly and interesting as opposed to the Chinese even 20 years ago.
The nightlife is fun and it's reasonably easy to survive now with all the apps and shit. You still get the JBW benefits unlike Japan or Korea.
In this sense I agree that the peak should be now or soon-ish.
With their visa policy right now, it's retarded not to go — it's so easy to get into China now if you're from an actually civilized western country.
I also agree with >>2807335 that the next peak will be SEA.

>>2806939
I went through southern China and then Shanghai in 2015 and had a great time.
It's hard to believe people online when they say it's over.
Some people are just genuinely retarded and it's the sort of country that filters westerners, even moreso the autists that post here.
They literally didn't give a shit about catering for my kind back then in the slightest and probably still don't

>>2807525
>I think Chinese culture is really improving fast. Like, young Chinese people are actually nice and friendly and interesting as opposed to the Chinese even 20 years ago.
The government apparently went on a big public education campaign just as the Chinese had enough money to travel.
They were getting a really bad repuation overseas so there's all these programs in school and on tv about not embarassing the country in front of foreigners.

I'm thinking of where I want to go on my next trip, don't think I'll go to Europe. Then I thought maybe going back to Asia would be cool. I want to visit Mongolia, but haven't been to Seoul in a while. But then I started thinking maybe a Seoul/China trip would be cool.

>>2807525
no america rip, as well as a few other countries i think

feel like china's kinda past its peak tho

first been there as a boy in 2011, last in 2018, and i can definitely see the changes, whether for better or for worse

probably changed much more since then, with an intervening global pandemic and all that

china in 2011 was wild, like you didn't even have to wear a seatbelt in a car etc. shanghai still felt futuristic, but it sort of had this frutiger aero optimistic future thing going on, especially with the expo having happened a year ago. and other cities sort of saw the same thing, even the lower tier ones

e.g. back then there were still old village districts, where you could get skeevy street food and stuff, many of which have now been razed or "renovated" (gentrified, in our terms)

nowadays there are a lot more malls and everything is more sterile

>>2807525
agree that SEA can often feel like "china X years ago", especially southern china

>>2807537
Nobody understands me when I try to speak Asian languages, so instead of repeating myself like a tard, I use non-verbal communication (which Chinese don't like because it's less efficient than shouting).

china peaked in like 2009 desu. now it's very sterile. the cities were already quite nice back then and if you were rich you kinda had best of both worlds(in the sense that you had western style luxury but it also felt kinda scuffed and exoitc even in big cities and you'd get lots of attention and leniency from cops if you fuck'd around a bit). people were super chill back then too. some old people hated westerners but it didn't really matter.

japan peaked in like 2000, bubble and just post-bubble japan was awesome and basically felt like america if the 80s never ended. now it feels like the 80s never ended and everyone's coming down off a decade long coke bender and they're mad at everything

korea has always just kinda sucked and been sterile. some areas army brats conquered used to be nice but now it's a bunch of niggers. seoul is probably the closest thing asia has to an american city though kek.

>>2806897 (OP)
Kek wrong
>80s Peak Japan
>90s Peak Korea
>2000s peak China
Beijing olympics and Xi ruined China. I was there from '04 to '11

>>2806950
>it's impossible to have a normal discussion about which places are objectively worse now
Sounds like a highly riveting and enjoyable discussion.

>>2806937
i'm of the opinion that the best the world ever had to offer was the monied expat between approximately 1985-2010 specifically in thailand.

>>2806906
My cousin managed to get Japanese citizenship during Covid and got into Japan when there were no gaijin. She told me that Japan without tourists was widely appreciated.

>>2806897 (OP)
Should I visit Shanghai or Hong Kong as my first visit to China? I am only visiting one city for a week.

>>2806897 (OP)
i was in china the entire 2010s. it was better then. now you have german and american boomers walking around. it is too easy.

>>2813996
shanghai. without question.

Whos in

>>2806897 (OP)
There is a decent chance that if I go to China that I will get stuck in a revolution

>>2815251
sexual revolution, maybe

>>2806938
>Places don't actually get better or worse it's all in your imagination. It's impossible for an individual to perceive this, their perception is only based on their age at the time.
It's amazing how many people think this is some wise insight

Jeet problem is overblown

>>2807335
Radical Islam is actually on the rise in Indonesia so there is a good chance that Islam authorities will crack down on Bali as a show of force, in the next 10 years.

>>2807335
Vietnam still refuses to crack down on methanol tainted alcohol and you already have Western tourists dying from said tainted Vietnamese alcohol.

>>2813996
Shanghai, but also pic related

>>2815717
take a break ranjesh

>>2815717
Those are residents, not tourists.

>>2815251
>>2815257
Vietnamese women are light skinned. I don't know why delusional people think they look like Cambodians who are actually brown.

Also, the entire South Korea and Japan were used as cumrags for whites from 1945-1980s.

Japanese teenage girls used to have sex with the occupation troops in 1945-1947 just for chocolate.

All those South Korean male idols and actors in K-Pop already had their grandmothers used as cumrags by US troops.


>>2800184 #
>>2798076 #

Over a million Korean girls were prostituted to US troops, in addition to Korean war era rapes by UN troops.

Every Korean has a grandmother who had sex with occupation troops, whether during the Korean war or after.

>>2817123
take me back

>>2817123
>butthurt viet seething
I get it, it must be hard seeing your country be turned into an amusement park for obese fat boomers with limp dicks, but you are coping hard. For most people there is no difference between Vietnam, Cambodia, and all the other little jungle sex tourism countries.

>>2817131
That's the chinkspammer, but it is interesting that he's defensive about Vietnamese.

>>2817134
I don't see anything about brown skin being bad. It's a totally random and out of context statement.

>>2806906
I can only imagine how far jbw would work back then. I heard stories of it from early 00s.

I think we are close to full circle and white dudes having best chances in white countries.

The only problem is by 2030 there will be no white countries.

>>2817129
Lol wake me up inside

>>2807525
Yeah.
I spent a year in Japan (2024).
Being handsome and in the know (adapting to their fashion and ways of doing things) is helpful but I dont think jbw is really strong.

I met Chinese tourists, and those girls were reaaaaally into me and I felt they were much easier to deal with than J girls.

Chinese girls are kinda bro-ish. No nonsense, easy to figure out, read.

J girls are like a closed box of emotions that is always smiling and saying “try me” but it opens arbitrarily.

Of course, eventually I learned to read J girls too, but it took time to master that skill.

If you want to have fun dating and enjoying pleasures of life, China might be better.

That said, I picked Japan because of my overarching interests in their aesthetics, language, marts, cars, history etc.

China I only recently became curious about as their soft power is increasing with AI etc. Id love to visit but I know zero Chinese and not willing to bother with it atm.

I explored working in China for a while and I might give it a shot eventually.

For now honestly I missed white women. Yeah they are difficult. Yeah they smoke and have tattoos (not popular in Japan).

But if you can find the right one shieeet yo boi might get married.

>>2807620
just get out of tier 1 cities retard
that kind of experience is everywhere, only the big cites like bj and sh cracked down on street food and renovated urban villages

>>2813996
Beijing

>>2814001
yeah but everyone looks down on them and knows they're scum
a fat old foreigner gets zero respect in China and people aren't friendly to them (the boomers aren't friendly back either)

>>2817351
Japanese girls were openly prostituted and sold to foreigners since the Portuguese and Dutch landed in Japan.

In the Meiji era, American diplomat Townsend Harris had sex with multiple teenage Japanese girls.

Dutch, Germans and other diplomats and merchants in Meiji Japan had harems of Japanese teenagers as concubines.

Chinese leader Sun Yatsen had two Japanese teenage concubines while in Japan, Haru Asada and Kaoru Otsuki

Remember Kalergi? His mother was Japanese and his father was Austrian.

Japan has been experiencing burnout from five centuries of foreign cock, Japanese girls had their fill already.

>>2807525
China doesn't give visa free travel for Amerimutts.

>>2817134
>>2817131
Cambodians men prostitute Vietnamese girls to white tourists.

>>2807538
>The government apparently went on a big public education campaign

No they didn't.

>not embarassing the country in front of foreigners

China's government litetally doesn't care about how Chinese tourists behave.

>>2817463
Also the way other tourists behave is just a façade.

Many Japanese engage in shady and illegal behavior in SEA, way worse than just being rude in public.

Japanese girls also aren't conservative, they just had foreign cock burnout like >>2817455

Its bring misconstrued as Japan is conservative, if they were they wouldn't have received so many foreign cocks from 1500-1990.

JBW worked in Japan for centuries until very recently.

>>2807525
>>2817341
>>2817351
JBW in 17th century Vietnam.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14629472/#q14629472

>>>/his/14629472

Cambodians pimping Vietnamese girls to whites.
https://archive.4plebs.org/trv/thread/2740153/#q2745810

>>2745810

>>2807314
>America ''defends'' Japan
lol
lmao

>>2806940
>The Japanese themselves know this. Itbis why they have some of the highest rates of suicide on the planet.

They're not even in the top 20 according to this list: https://ceoworld.biz/2024/01/21/revealed-countries-with-the-highest-and-lowest-suicide-rates-2024/

Granted it's still pretty high, but the idea that it's "one of the highest in the world" is just not true anymore

>>2817460
But Vietnamese girls don't have that beautiful dark caramel skin of the Cambo girls

Paki grooming gangs say the same things about white girls in Britain as people on /trv/.

>>2818206
>>2818449

>>2818449
>>2818450
>posting that overblown rubbish
Do you not realize that the Germans would have been a lot worse than these guys if they were able to land their forces here?