Thread 2808857

Discuss business class travel.

Recently flew United Polaris and I was very pleasantly surprised by everything including the food and especially the Polaris lounges. Probably my favorite US business class product on the market right now.

Why is business class so shit in Europe? Lufthansa's is embarrassingly bad but at least they seem to have realized this so they're rolling out Allegris, except that the rollout is so slow they may as well just fucking give up. Air France seems to be the only one actually trying.

>>2808857 (OP)
>Why is business class so shit in Europe?
Business class this fancy is a pretty recent trend. It used to be mostly just a lie-flat seat but otherwise not too different from what you get in premium economy nowadays. This is what you will still find on offer at many European carriers. The extra fancy "luxurious" business class trend started with Middle Eastern airlines and Europe is only now catching up. European carriers are not really known to be ahead of the game.

>>2808857 (OP)
>Why is business class so shit in Europe?
finnair has the single most comfortable business class seat in history. everything else about the airline is pretty meh at best but their seats are fucking comfort incarnate. it's a fucking sofa on a plane. I could spend days in those motherfuckers.

You fail to understand that European airlines have two very different business classes: domestic short-haul, where it's just an economy plus. And international long-haul, which is done on widebody airplanes. Pretty much any European airline's business class in long-haul is way, way better than anything Americans have.

>>2809055
>Pretty much any European airline's business class in long-haul is way, way better than anything Americans have.
That's the point: this is completely false.
An American airline's long-haul business class looks like the OP pic. The majority of European airlines' business class looks like pic related. The state of long-haul business class in Europe is a fucking travesty.

>>2809055
>>2809059
And even short-haul is no excuse: American airlines will give you more spacious seats for short-haul business class flights (pic), while European airlines will seat you in the exact same seats as economy with 20cm legroom.

business classes suck because i always get matched with some qt in economy and we rub our legs

>>2809076
Lucky bastard. Only once in all my flights have I been seated next to a female, and she was a tranquilized zombie traveling with her boyfriend. 12 hour flight and neither of them used the bathroom once.

Humiliation ritual. Either give a comfortable chair, or a proper bed. There's no reason not to in 2025.

Last time I was on a flight there was a Chinese guy in first class who kept getting up and walking through economy and walking back. He did it several times throughout the flight. I think he wanted people to notice he was in first class lol

>>2809059
Only Lufthansa and LOT has those layouts still and both are getting rid of it soon-ish
KLM still has some A330s with that layout but they are getting retired soon, all their 777s have the suites already

You don't really know what you're talking about

>>2809272
The only thing available on economy's screens should be a slideshow of photos and biographies of the first class passengers, to stop this sort of thing from happening.

>>2808857 (OP)
Do you dress up when flying business to look like you're a big shot?

>>2809407
>shits on American airlines for no reason even though they offer superior long-haul products in almost every way
>uuuuuuuuh only the largest fucking airline in Europe is THAT shit! the others are better, t-trust me
hmm yes sorry for doubting you, mr airline expert

>>2809455
No because suits aren't comfy and I don't care what the plebs think.

>>2809455
No, you look like someone who can't pack his suit without crushing it, so he has to wear it on the plane.

>>2809455
Actual big shots wear whatever they want. The people who wear suits are guys who work for big shots.

>>2809656
>someone who can't pack his suit without crushing it
....how do you pack a suit properly. I don't know

>>2809469
>>2809656
>>2809663
I guarantee you'd get more plane pussy if you wore a suit onboard.

>>2809224
ive flow business class 2 times and hated it and not worth 8 times the economy unless youre using miles or getting sponsored. And its always full of old people with 80% men
>and she was a tranquilized zombie traveling with her boyfriend.
keep flying more Ive had tons of 20-35 yo hot solo girls next to me

>>2809705
do I specifically need to wear a QSuite-colored suit while flying in a QSuite

>>2809059
You went out of your way to find a shitty American quality business class that few airlines in Europe have. 80% don't look like that but rather like >>2809010 . You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. Pretty much guaranteed you have never even been to Europe or flown business class.

>>2809455
I dress up as casual as possible. I don't want to look like a wagie who is being forcefully sent by his employer to endless meetings.

What would cause a business class flight to be cheaper than economy? This actually happened to me once.

>transatlantic flight (North America to Europe)
>business class was $1200
>economy class was close to $2200
>I'm not a churnfag; these were actual base prices straight from the airline
>decision was an obvious no-brainer
>flight was enjoyable

>>2809738
Wagie here. My employer sent me off on an economy class flight with brutal layovers (the shortest one was 7 hours long).

Should I call the police?

>>2809744
Fare classes, economy probably was nearly full with only the highest tier left, other way around for business
Transatlantic are mostly for work, and many employers have a hard policy of not allowing booking premium classes, regardless of the price

>>2809756
>business class
>made specifically for business
>businesses forbid the use of it

>>2809766
If the classes had accurate names economy would be called cattle, but alas

>>2809766
>>2809776
>business class
>advertised as a luxury experience
>business is a form of work
>work is what brokies do for a living

>>2809776
Economy would be Nigger Tier and business would be Niggers Who Can Afford A Reclining Seat Tier

>>2808857 (OP)
>Recently flew United Polaris and I was very pleasantly surprised by everything
I just can't get over how terrible the service is on US airlines. Take a flight with Qatar or Emirates and it's such a fucking mind-blowing contrast that I never want to fly with United ever again.

>>2808857 (OP)
>>2810147
but yes, the hard product on United Polaris or Delta One is world class now.

>>2810147
How was the service bad?

>>2810147
Half the European airlines have horrible soft products. TAP, Iberia, Lufthansa, BA, LOT etc.

>pay a few thousand dollars
>dont even get a bed
Amazing.

>>2810303
look the seething poorfags have arrived

I recently flew Qantas first class on an A380. I thought it would be like BusinessClass+ but nope, first class is a class of its own, and in a good way. It's the comfort, the freedom of movement and all the conveniences that come with it that make the difference. Sure the food, drinks and service you get are better, but that's just secondary to the points i just mentioned. Fk, give me economy class food on first class it will barely make a difference to the experience.

It was SYD to JNB, 15 hours to JNB and 12 hours on the way back. I honestly would have rather stayed up in the air than land at JNB. It was that comfy. These super long flights made the experience that much better.

Qantas first class on a380 is on the lower deck at the front of the plane. There are these stairs you can go up to the upper deck into this lounge that can be accessed by first and business class passengers. You know who's who depending on the pajama's theyre wearing. So i was acting all smug to everyone else who was hanging out in the lounge while i was watching my anime on my ipad and sipping on blue label.

I don't want to talk about if it was financially worth it or not (it was a $12k AUD return ticket fyi). But if any of you folks get a chance to get a long-haul first class ticket on a wide body, you should definitely take it! Also, AMA.

>>2810437
Sometimes I can see Emirates first class promo fares from my home airport to Tokyo for 6k EUR (return), maybe next time I'll catch that.
It's a DXB layover so would also include the lounge experience.

>>2810461
How long will the flight be and what plane? I think EK has first class on their a380 and 777 planes, and the experience would be a bit different.

But either way, EK first class seems miles ahead of what i experienced at Qantas. You get an actual suite and it looks like you get picked up by a driver and there's an actual bar on the plane. However the downside is that you'll likely cross paths with heathen arabs. Still worth it i reckon.

>>2810437
I have flown long haul first class with Lufthansa, Swiss, Emirates, Qatar. Funnily enough the only one I felt was a bit underwhelming was Qatar.

>>2809455
I flew first class to Bangkok with LH. There were plenty of people in suits at the priority boarding area. Every single one of them went to business, everyone in first was dressed casually.

>>2810469
Both, the feeder to DXB is services by their oldest 777s however, it doesn't even have lie-flat business. That's just a 5h leg though, the A380 leg is 10-11 hours.

Not sure if they offer the driver service locally though, have to look into that.

>>2810479
11 hours on an EK a380 first class? I'd do it for sure! It's probably the best experience you can get on a plane atm, except for flying private. How long is your layover? Perhaps you can ask them for a driver to take you around dubai for some photos or some shit.

>>2810437
It’s great. It’s even better booked on points via Cathay.

>>2810286
uppity niggers, slow as fuck at their job

>>2810437
Was the upper deck lounge area actually good? Is it like a bar atmosphere where you can mingle with people?

I've heard the Qatar lounge is good but the Qantas one sucks. Not sure if it's true.

>>2810549
in my experience of bars on planes, people just go to get a drink then go back to their seat. unless it's a couple/friends/colleagues travelling together who want to chat with each other for a bit, people don't tend to spend a lot of time actually in the bar area

>>2810548
Never seen a black flight attendant. I'd be really pissed if I did. I'd probably complain to the airline and tell them I'm never flying with them again.

>>2810549
>>2810614
The Qantas lounge area sucked, it had 2 tables with bench like seats, sort of like booths, and another bench of seats on the other side. There was also a bit screen with the 3D flight map showing. There were barely any people there when i went. I only stayed there for about an hour until the novelty wore off and i returned back to my seat.

The other airlines have bars in their a380 lounges...which could be cool since you could converse with the barman.

>>2810622
>I'd probably complain to the airline and tell them I'm never flying with them again.
No you wouldn't. You just wrote that because you wanted to show off how cool you are on 4chan.

>>2810614
>>2810786
>bars on planes
man I wish it was possible to buy a drink for some of the flight attendants
the Qatar ones are fucking 8/10 minimum and often higher

>>2810789
I would, and I've gotten blacks fired before.

>>2810786
on the emirates a380s i have been on, there isn't really a barman at the bar all the time since it is empty most of the time except for alcoholics like me. i guess there is a rota but it seems to be just whatever member of the crew happens to be nearby at the time, in between the other stuff they are doing
>>2810791
>buy a drink
the drinks are included anon

>>2810786
>>2810804
it's weird that the bars are empty. people who fly in business class and above are actually interesting sometimes, it'd be nice to chat with fellow travellers but I guess everyone just goes back to their seat and continues watching whatever Marvel goyslop is being forced on the public at the time

>>2810804
>the drinks are included anon
you could try reading the rest of the sentence

>>2810819
>continues watching whatever Marvel goyslop is being forced on the public at the time
if you actually talk like this in real life, nobody in the bar is going to want to talk to you anyway
>>2810820
and you could try being a bit less of an autistic mouthbreathing cunt, but we both know that's not going to happen

>>2810819
First class and most of business is full of white boomers. There's nothing interesting about them, unless youre jewish. I did however converse with an older South African Indian lady who thought i was rich, i wouldnt have minded cuddling up with her. She looked the real comfy, homely type who'd send you home with a freshly baked cake after you pumped your load into her asshole.

> watching whatever Marvel goyslop is being forced on the public at the time
lol mate, im guessing you havn't been on a plane since 30 years ago. The flying experience has changed since...

>>2810821
hahaha that dude wants to 'buy' the air hostess a drink. lol man...i don't know what to say

>>2810851
Uh, that would actually be pretty cool. Like a hostess bar but on a plane. Nice way to kill time.