Thread 2821802

What is living in NYC actually like?

Redpill us American bros

Cool if you have a shitload of money, sucks if you're working poor (under $150k annual salary). Probably not too bad if you're poor and live in rent controlled apartments either.

LOUD

>>2821802 (OP)
American cities aren't worth the price you have to pay. For the highest cost of living in the world, you'd think you'd get a first world country in exchange. If you want to experience the best parts of America go to small towns with large universities. They're the only parts of small town America that have any life left in them because of all the young people that go there for college. Other than that small town America is every bit as drugged out and dystopian as our cities are. Suburbs are obviously boring as hell. America is generally a shitshow, but has occasional nice areas and we certainly have some of the most beautiful nature in the world imo. Not many countries with the kind of bio-diversity that we have.

>>2821802 (OP)
>What is living in NYC actually like?
I used to live in Hoboken, NJ across the Hudson from Manhattan and took the PATH over daily for work. Commuting vai public transit kind of sucks but you do more biking, walking, using public transit, and a lot less driving. That's good and bad I guess in hindsight, I like walking to places more than being forced to always drive places but if you cook at home, grocery shopping is a much larger pain in the ass hauling groceries up six flights of stairs and you learn to live with less stuff. I don't like having to share space with the numerous future felons who lack any impulse control and fail to fight the urge to demand attention with ridiculous stunts, and being hassled by homeless losers who regular the dirty and late train/subway system that I am forced to pay for as a good citizen while the countless dregs and losers jump the MTA turnstiles. Japan's train system is heaven in comparison. Pay is high but cost of living will always be higher, I pay around 1/3 what I paid in rent in Hoboken now in a MCOL city in the Midwest, yes I make around 25k gross less a year but financially it doesn't even come close to touching the COLA difference, I currently put aside 35% of my 110k salary towards retirement alone. The food was better in NYC, the entertainment was better, flight availability was better, weather, nightlife, dating situation, and nature nearby in Jersey/PA is better than where I live now. But honestly I just cook at home, I can watch movies at home, I still have some moderate dating opportunities but it is far more full of fatties, single moms, and other aimless losers the rest of those you either outgrow or if you have been to the MET three times, it really doesn't make a difference visiting every few years vs living there. I hope to be able to retire in my early 40s right now, I would never be able to do that living in the NY metro as the value proposition there is far inferior.

>>2821965
>If you want to experience the best parts of America go to small towns with large universities
those towns suck and are dead for a reason. no jobs and rampant poverty

>>2821802 (OP)
Living in NYC is amazing. Such a vibrant and diverse culture and you get to encounter so many different people from so many backgrounds from around the world.
Don’t even get me started on how great the food is.
People will say that the crime rate is a problem and probably something racist as well but it’s mostly oversta-ACK!

>>2821802 (OP)
looks amazing if you're on $150,000+ p/a

>>2821802 (OP)
I live in queens right now, about half an hour subway ride to times square, make about 90k. rent is half my total monthly pay. its great being surrounded by bars, comedy clubs, and restaurants, but i can't afford to go out regularly. I can party maybe once or twice a month because drinks are so damn expensive, it can easily be $10 a draft. there's a lot of great free community stuff near me like movie nights and potlucks but i don't really engage with it because its more family oriented and im a 32 year old loner. most people are pretty friendly but if you're too open its easy to get harassed by a homeless/crazy person or just some stupid teenager. i feel like i help someone or give directions on a daily basis, whether it be to an old person or a tourist. i work in construction (not as a laborer) but it feels kind of weird when all the laborers aren't speaking english, im the odd one out on long elevator rides. i play a game everyday where i count the number of languages i hear walking around, its usually around 5-6, and im getting better at recognizing them. the subway breaks down sometimes but i usually walk home from manhattan every day over the 59th street bridge, which is nice. i feel pretty safe in general, there's a few neighborhoods i wouldn't go to at night but none of them are near me. let me know if you have any specific questions.

>>2821965
>Suburbs are obviously boring as hell
Suburbs aren't meant for tourism and entertainment, they're meant for living in comfortably within a reasonable drive to the city without having city problems.

>>2822592
>comfortably
Way too many people to have quiet suburban life now.
>reasonable drive
Roads are always filled up because of all the people on the road.

>>2822253
College towns aren’t dead. They have endless tuition money flowing into them. And they do have jobs in various fields.

>>2822595
>Way too many people to have quiet suburban life now.
Average house size has fallen. So if anything there are fewer people in suburbs.
>Roads are always filled up because of all the people on the road.
Depends on the road.

>>2822738
yes they are, i grew up in one. try sticking around durIng the summer

>>2822566
I just moved here as a student over in the Bronx; any tips on the best places/bars to meet single women, preferably artsy types? I know the dating market here is more favorable to men since the demographic ratio skews more to women, but I don't want to bump into any of the materialistic types.

>>2822747
Greenwich village is where all the art hoes we’re at when I was there in the early 2000’s

>>2822566
crazy that there are so many people there that don't speak english or speak it so badly that they rather use their native language everyday. I work remotely for an US company as an engineer, and interface with an on site mexican eletrician, he lives there for 3y now, I speak better than him and I've never set foot in the US

>>2822592
Suburbs are loud and crowded because no one can afford to live near their jobs and everyone is forced to drive all the time for everything.

I would kill myself if I lived anywhere else in the US. Muh college town! Muh rural areas! Muh (random tier 2 lame ass cheaper city)!" yawn. Lived in those places. Wanted to kms.

>>2822747
>dating market here is more favorable to men
hate to break it to you, but thats only true if you're rich. sure, there are more girls, but they're getting invited to rich guys parties where the girl guy ratio is 5 to 1, leaving the rest of the city pretty dry. if you want art hoes, or just hoes in general, id try brooklyn, but be prepared to spend a ton on drinks.

>>2822753
and its getting worse. the more that come the more normal it gets. nyc has always had enclaves of foreign language speakers but spanish is now spread across the entire city as the language of the lower working class.

>>2822595
>>2822782
just want to second this thought, suburbs are actually louder than cities. I moved from the suburbs to queens and it got noticeably quieter at night. not only are there less people driving in general, but the cops actually enforce noise laws here because its controllable. the suburbs aren't controllable because of how many people are on the road, and then the only moving violation that gets enforced is speeding, and you have to be doing 20 over to get pulled over. i also now live in a brick apartment building as opposed to a balsa wood house.

>>2822838
yeah thats because you live in queens which is basically a suburb outside of lic and astoria

>>2823115
right, astoria is where i am, its not a suburb at all

>>2822253
They're fine the rest of the year though I agree with your point about summer. It's the state of our country though that most of our civilization honestly sucks right now
>>2822592
Our countryside isn't either and I would argue most of our cities aren't either.

How often do residents leave their particular borough? It seems like you could live a whole life in, say, Queens or the Bronx without visiting Manhattan, let alone going outside of NYC

>>2823312
Hardly at all, which is one reason why people there are so out of touch with the rest of the country. Most New Yorkers hardly ever go anywhere besides their hood and to work, this is especially true if they are not white.

>>2821802 (OP)
I'd imagine it'd be quite depressing: it sucks ass, but at the same time you have the (unfounded) feeling you're in the best place on Earth, so you go "so this is it huh" and feel terrible.

>>2823401
amazing history, amazing architecture, amazing parks, amazing museums, amazing sport, global cultural powerhouse...

>>2823415
Yes and all mogged by literally any town in Europe in all of those categories (hence the "unfounded" feeling)

>>2821802 (OP)

If you have a living situation that isn't fucking insane (85%+ of living situations are terrible), then it's the best place on the fucking planet. Truly, as long as you can get a handle on a living and working situation that isn't fucked up and miserable, then it's baller even if you have no money.

>>2822747
Non materialistic artsy types in nyc? lol low chance my friend. Bushwick or pockets of art communities in like Queens are your best bet.

>>2823421
except, not really
new york has buildings from the 1600s
most european towns are lucky if they have anything substantial from before the 19th century

>>2823455
>most european towns are lucky if they have anything substantial from before the 19th century
There's literally buildings from 2k years ago.
See pic rel, it's what you're doing right now (doubt you can read a graph, though)

>>2823421
>all mogged by literally any town in Europe
Lol. Europeans are a joke.

>>2823643
>europe
>leave house
>there's a bar nearby with all your friends

>US
>leave house
>miles and miles of suburbs
>forced to take car
>drive half an hour to reach anywhere decent
>or just stay there and deal with your neighbors

You dont know any better so of course you think it's a decent life. It's fucking nightmarish bro

>>2823533
Intelligent enough to know what 'most' and 'substantial' mean though lol
tell me what it's like down in the valley though ;)

>>2823646
>New York City
>leave house
>there's a bar nearby with all your friends

>>2823650
It's like that only in a few select cities in the US.
Literally every single living settlement, from large cities to small towns, is like that in EU.

>>2823650
>friends
must be nice

>>2822753
>>2822834
>implying this is anything new
New York City had 18 languages spoken in it in 1643 when its population was 500. There was never time when it wasn't a linguistic melting pot.

>>2823646
Europeans live in apartments or condominiums, not houses.

>>2823658
Yeah, like the one being discussed, retard.
>european education

>>2823762
>today an American was retarded near me, just like every other day

>>2823762
I'm Italian and I live in a house.
>b-but there's others inside the same building!!
Nobody but me in the entire property.

Pic related is not my house, but I just picked a random house in my same province. They're all along the road like this

>>2823802
>>2823762
Some more pics.
You go up to the city then yeah, inside the city center they're gonna be apartments or "split houses" with different families inside each.
But outside the city along the main road it's all like this.

Much better than US suburbia or Russia's commieblocks.
And they're really cheap too.

>>2823801
>>2823802
>>2823803
Nobody fucking cares. This thread is about life in New York City. Go to /int/ if you want reposts of reposts of reposts of decades old "banter".

>>2823949
>make retarded statement
>gets called out
>HURR DURR NOBODY CARES

>>2823953
You mean like this you've been doing this whole time?

>>2823803
How is this better than suburbia? There's nothing even there
Sometimes I feel like euros dont even understand what suburbia even is

I’ve always had this pull to live in NYC, but I’m from Massachusetts, and every time I think seriously about it, I can’t justify the cost. It wouldn’t be a permanent move, more like 1 to 3 years just for the experience. After that, I’d want to come back to MA to be near my friends and family. But the housing market here is already insanely expensive, and I worry that instead of saving for a house in MA, I’d end up spending so much just to get by in NYC that I wouldn’t actually be any closer to affording a place when I came back.

That said, I love visiting and usually stay with my friend in Brooklyn. Last trip up, we spent the whole weekend exploring Manhattan, which was really fun. Fuck, I wish I could live there, but I’m retarded with money and houses aren't getting any cheaper in the areas I want to live.

>>2821802 (OP)
>>2821830
>>2821965
>>>2821802 (OP) (OP)
>American cities aren't worth the price you have to pay. For the highest cost of living in the world, you'd think you'd get a first world country in exchange.
>>2822120
>>2822531
>looks amazing if you're on $150,000+ p/a
>>2822566
>live in queens right now, about half an hour subway ride to times square, make about 90k. rent is half my total monthly pay.
you're only really supposed to live in NYC if you have a viable path to making like $500k/year. stuff like Big Law, Meta senior software engineer (E5 level), investment banking, private equity, high tier model/celeb, etc.

Nonsense long term on less than $200k

Hell on earth tier for any length of time under probably mid 100s.

>>2823964
literally a bar with ciggies nearby.
Not the one I go to, but there's one literally in front of my front door too, and I gather there with everyone else from time to time.

Can't imagine living in a suburban hellhole. No wonder you faggots turn your basements into bars

>>2823970
I only leave the house to buy food, so I literally would not give a fuck about how famous a town is t b h

>why are you in /trv/
just wanted to make a troll thread but entered this one instead and forgot what my troll thread was about.
I think something about that yte girl getting stabbed on the bus

Anyway yeah. No point in leaving the house? Suddenly no more need to waste money on some tourist trap shithole

>>2822566
>its great being surrounded by bars, comedy clubs, and restaurants

>>2823964
See this is what I'm talking about. That's a premium experience in the US, meanwhile here in Europe it's the standard way of living

>>2823973
>Not the one I go to, but there's one literally in front of my front door too, and I gather there with everyone else from time to time.
>Can't imagine living in a suburban hellhole. No wonder you faggots turn your basements into bars
If I'm an American citizen with $1.7M + Italy citizenship through descent, should I be getting in on this comfy life?

How would I go about selecting a nice province?

Also, I only speak English and Japanese as of now.

>>2823972
This post basically sums up my experiences visiting the city many times and having a friend who lives there

>>2823978
Well that's the thing, these comfy places (which are *everywhere* around Italy, north south doesnt matter), have very traditional people who barely even speak Italian. They speak their own dialect and they're proud of it.
That's not to say they won't like you, far from it. The "we dont like your kind around here" bs doesn't really exist in Italy, we're a very "live and let live" people. If you're cool then you'll be accepted by anybody here.
The problem is communication: these guys barely know proper Italian, so you can be sure as shit they won't speak a lick of English.

I'm 28, my generation was a little more open, but if you don't speak any Italian at all you have to go to the big cities that are extremely globalized. Countryside is just no-go.

>>2823983
>I'm 28, my generation was a little more open, but if you don't speak any Italian at all you have to go to the big cities that are extremely globalized. Countryside is just no-go.
great lil followup.
I'd be interested in learning italian if I made the plunge, but not sure I'd dive into learning some random provincial dialect that not even an urban Italian could decipher lol

>>2821802 (OP)
There's a lot about America that every other country is envious of. It's partly the marketing of the American dream, which despite doomers doing their best to persuade you is dead, is very much alive and well. I knew a guy that was a Warehouse Op in the UK, saved up for some years to move to the states, purely for the weather. Within 4 years he was an Electrician earning 90k a year and living a normie king life.

NYC on the other hand, is a bit of a mixed bag. Obviously, it's a melting pot so there's a lot of cultures and being that we're all 4channers, we can be honest and say that White culture is superior, but White's have pretty much left NYC now in favour of remote positions. Blacks are out of control, drugs (blacks) are out of control, violence (blacks) is out of control, gun crime (blacks) is out of control, degeneracy (blacks) is out of control, noise levels (blacks) are out of control - and obviously TAXES are crazy high in NYC.

How 'fun' you find NYC will very much depend on your lifestyle, but pretty much, if you're sober you'll hate it.

The rent, for a miser like me was too much. I was paying 4k a month for a fairly spacious 1 bed in the village. Making 180k as a Cloud Engineer. I fucking hated paying the money every month. Seeing the money leave my bank used to make me wince. Jews really have NYC by the balls, they own pretty much every building, every apartment complex, and even most of the AirBnBs.

The attraction of NYC is actually just movies and sitcoms that people con themselves into thinking is real life, it isn't. Another thing is, people go there to see Times Square, so they can look at advertisements - like a fucking droid.

>>2823986
Tuscany is closest to the official language, with a very weak dialect and mostly just changes in accent (AKA how some things are pronounced, not complete changes in vocabulary).
For example people from Florence usually can't pronounce a hard C. I'm not from there, but I worked with Italians from other parts of Italy and they'd assume all Tuscans were like that, so they'd often ask me to pronounce words with hard C's like Coca Cola and see if I'd pronounce it as Hoha Hola like Florentians do.

The further you go from Tuscany, the further it gets from Italian. If a Sicilian really tried he'd be able to speak tomes to me and I wouldn't understand a single thing.

Also, just in case you ever decide to learn Italian, try to do it by consuming material and learning it passively. Ideally reading comics like Dylan Dog or Diabolik, which use fairly simple language.
Let me tell you the real difficulties of Italian: it's not the tenses. Yes, we have a billion past, present, and future tenses, but you don't actually HAVE to use any of them.
The real hard part would be conjugating everything.
For example, in English you have to use "a", but sometimes "an".
In Italian there's like 10 different choices instead, and only one's correct each time.

You'll also have to deal with every single noun being either feminine or masculine.
In English a bottle, a table, an oven, and a car are all an "it".
In Italian they are, respectively: a she, a he, a he, and a she. Yes cars are female and tables are dudes to us basically.
The last vowel usually gives it away (if it ends with "a" it's usually female, if it ends in "o" it's usually male) but as always there are exceptions.

Either way best wishes m8

>>2823989
Electricians make mad fucking dosh all over the globe.
Blacks on the other hand are bad just in the US.
Actual Africans are pretty chill. In Europe it's the fucking slavs you have to watch out for.

I worked 5 years as a night-shift receptionist in hotels here in Italy, and Africans were extremely rare and always chill as fuck.
Albanians though? You better believe I wasn't taking a nap that night

I live here now. Watching the terror on the faces of Japanese tourists while twelve brown druggies start jumping and hollering on the subway always makes me laugh.

Avoid the Bronx at all costs. Avoid Queens. Avoid most of Brooklyn, some pockets like Williamsburg aren't bad. Maybe visit Manhattan for a long weekend and do the typical touristy shit and never return.

Staten Island and Long Island are the only nice regions in my eyes. I prefer whiter areas like everyone in the world, nobody immigrates to non-white places for a reason.

Staten Island is cozy, feels more like suburbia. North Shore can be fun and a little trashy, but much safer than the rest of NYC. Plenty of beautiful Italian broads that want anything besides the abundance of Italian manlets.

East Long Island (Hamptons, Montauk) can be fun if you have money. Rent some kind of watercraft. No reason to be there during the winter.

>>2823989
Was he qualified before emigrating? Because I know there's not much chance of getting residency or a work permit for being a warehouse op

>>2821830
>and live in rent controlled apartments
something like a quarter of all apartments in NYC are rent stablilized though