Thread 2824098

Why don't we have a general for akiya homes?
For people who got one, thinking about getting one, etc. Tips, tricks, general japan real estate discussion, whatever.

Are akiya homes still cheap and available? Any good deals you saw recently?

>>2824098 (OP)
>Why don't we have a general for akiya homes?
because they're akiya for a reason: almost nobody wants them

>>2824098 (OP)
Because nobody fucking knows what you're even talking about you dumb weeb faggot.
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this belongs in /jp/ methinks, but yes akiya are still common and still go for cheap

>>2824098 (OP)
wtf are we gonna talk about, the prospects of buying a house in a country most of us will not live in where they speak a language we don't know

>>2824098 (OP)
>house: :|
>house, japan: :O

i have 1k dollars in my bank account is this enough to buy a "akiya" house?

>>2824098 (OP)
>Why don't we have a general for akiya homes?
Because no one on /trv/ is going to bother to buy one.
No one, not stationed in the military or long term stable job is realistically going to bother with them or talk about them here.

The amount of hoops you need to jump through to get approval for land ownership, then find a seller that will work with you on it, then do all the paperwork to own one, then all the upkeep required to maintain your job and home. Is something you just either do or don't do.

>>2824390
>The amount of hoops you need to jump through to get approval for land ownership, then find a seller that will work with you on it, then do all the paperwork to own one, then all the upkeep required to maintain your job and home.
Is it that hard? Im thinking of doing it unironically

>>2824426
Last I looked, and rules may have changed but I doubt it has that much in the past few years off the top of my head are:
1. Need a long-term visa if not resident card
2. Need a traditional Japanese bank account with stamp no JCB you opened up randomly. This goes without saying that you'll need a job(almost always) or proof of absurd amounts of funds for anything that could come up in the next 20 years.
3. Going to need to buy in full cash + taxes + fees and often prove you know how to pay utilities/taxes/insurance on your estate
4. Have to buy in an area that allows it, not all areas just allow you to buy whatever think HOA committes on crack
5. Have to show you know how to maintain the house and such if not there 100% of the time

Probably forgetting some nuances but it's a quite a few hurdles, it's more possible to buy around the bases but that's the gist of what you'll need AFTER finding a foreigner friendly agent ReMAX has a few IIRC. I've seen reddit posts where it's "lol not that hard" then forgetting to mention their wife or boyfriend is a native and they essentially got the red tape cut by that alone.

They are a bad idea and bad investment

Owning property doesn't guarantee you a visa or residence in Japan

The properties are old and need repair and maintaince, maybe someone even died in there

They are rural away from everything, which is nice if you want a peaceful life but you would need to be self sufficient working at home or wealthy so why choose this

If you have kids there may not be a school

You won't make friends there

Nothing to do there so you need to fund your own entertainment at home

Considering all that the price isn't reasonable

>>2824203
yeah but
7-11 : |
7-11 japan :D

I would unironically pick up dinner from a 7-11 (or Lawson or whatever) if I couldnt make it to a grocery store. When was the last time you had a 7-11 DINNER?

>>2824648
does it really matter if they are a bad investment when they are so fucking cheap? like I don't think anyone buys an akiya expecting them to appreciate

>>2824660
I meant investment for your future, you'll never be able to sell it, you'll spend more repairing it, so if you have money to throw away why choose akiya

>>2824098 (OP)
Akiyas are just abandoned houses in varying degrees of disrepair, often in locations with a smaller population. They're a good investment if you:
>Want to live in Japan
>Can get a Japanese visa (just owning the house doesn't grant you one)
>Have the money to repair it
>Have a way to make money when living in Japan in a location far away from urban centers
If you fill all of these highly specific criteria then sure, buy one. But chances are you don't.

>>2824660
I'll sell you rocks for cheap. Would you still buy my rocks? A lot of these houses are worth less than rocks, with my rock at least you don't have to:
>pay annual property tax
>pay a monthly community fee
>maintain the house, cut grass during summer, etc
There's no paperwork involved too, hand over your cash and I'll give you my rocks.
Unless you actually plan on living in the house and somehow make money off of it when you're not around, it's overall just a bad idea romanticized by weebs falling for the epic rural Japan tiktok house restoration driving your ebin keitruck whateverthefuck bullshit you're being fed with on social media. The good thing is at least no one will actually be uprooting their entire lives and throwing away their money because in the first place the language barrier when dealing with the paperwork with deter any undetermined weab, and ultimately none of them have residency, and those that do are probably stuck in a deadend eikaiwa job, which means buying a house is out of the question.

t. actually fell for the epic rural Japan tiktok house restoration bullshit, but instead of just larping online I took my time and waited for the right house to show up. This guy has the perfect summary >>2824681

>>2824660
If all you want is a cheap house just move to the midwest, probably less mold and Akiya houses are fucking dogshit to renovate unless you hire someone who's worked on them/built them.

picrel

>inb4 NOOO NOT MUH HEKKIN AMERICANO PLACE I NEED SOVL

>>2824977
Nta but this isn’t too much of shithole, it just needs to be slightly more maintained and then it’s pretty fair

>>2824977
>922 KB
>>2825042
>1.12 MB
Did you seriously give it a tribute and hand it back to him?...

>>2825053
He smoothed out the driveway and cleared the plants from the front of the house.

>>2824977
>>2825042
compare this $50,000 garbage shack to an akiya you can get 5 minutes away from a city like fukuoka in japan

>>2825066
>that 50,000 garbage shack
Anon can actually probably live there because he is an amerimutt.
>that akiya you keep dreaming about
Anon probably can't live there because he doesn't have residency in Japan, at most it can be used for holidays, but yeah nah anon probably can't even buy that house because of the paperwork involved.

>>2825066
>>2825090
with what anon said, Japan is like this to begin with is because they put up such a barrier. if there were no barrier, Chinese would own literally everything already

>>2824977
>>2825042
A house like this would be $5k in Japan, if that.
Even a nice house 30 mins from Tokyo center is like $250k

>>2825264
>A house like this would be $5k in Japan, if that.
Forgetting that you need residency first
Forgetting you need to fix all that up, a 5k house in Japan will need a LOT of work
Forgetting that tax in Japan is 5-20x for it (people going to be like WTF +40% income tax!??!)
Forgetting the Japanese local gov has to approve you to move in
Forgetting those "cheap houses" are going to require a car, insurance on it, possible tolls, expensive gas+parking, just to get to work daily

Yeah "only 5k" feel free to go show me one. That house in question is just one of many 50k houses you could move into in the midwest of the USA and with a car, low taxes, etc.

>>2825066
The point being is that the is a far higher level of effort to get to that point than anything like that. People don't realize the sticker price of a home isn't all you should be thinking about.

>>2824976
Rural Japan isn't full of angry brainwashed heavily armed retards looking for an excuse to murder their neighbor though

>>2825344
What are you doing to get people so angry at you they would want to gun you down? Jogging in work boots?

>>2824098 (OP)
they're literally giving away land for free: https://zero.estate
whats the catch?

>>2825344
He was suggesting moving to rural white America where the murder rate is low, not urban black America.

>>2825395
Get one and tell us

>>2825395
>whats the catch?
They are listed at 0 not promised at 0
No work or jobs within a reasonable distance and no you're not working at lawsons as a Gajin
Property tax is not estimated so your house could be valued at 200k or 20k
It could be uninsurable
Foundation/roofing/supports could be shot or needs some kind of heavy repairs such as mold in the walls
Location to actual work
It may only be open to those with correct permits (think auction houses, certified banking associates, project developers)
Could be in a known flood zone or natural disaster place
These things to get up to code need new fireproofing standards which Japan only implemented like a few decades ago and it costs as much as a house

There could (and this is most likely the case) a lien on the house due to foreclosure, unpaid taxes, owner missing, etc. The house is "technically free" AFTER you pay the bank lien or state lien(usually being taxes and interest). All these things must be paid upfront in cash to clear any bad debt. These exist in the USA, if you've ever heard of the "buy it for a dollar" plan some cities run it's basically that. USUALLY, these are because bankers or investment agencies can't move the house because something about it is not worth the repairs.

It's like how you can go to iaai.com and get a sports car for <5k with under 100k miles easily that starts and runs and will get you around, though the second a mechanic looks at it he'll tell you the frame is rusted, headgasket showing signs of cracking, and you won't pass any inspection; but hey you got a sports car! Sure it just costs you 40k in repairs but ya know it's a deal**! Hope you like cleaning and being your own handyman.

the key to investing in jap property is to just spend a little over 100k to buy commercial space in Tokyo or Osaka. that way you get constant income from whatever company you lease to. people will pay lots of yennies even for small space in an old run-down building, you can sub-divide everything too and get really shitty slumlord-style with it because there's an endless supply of people wanting to open offices so they have legal presence in a city with favorable tax/legal policies(say for example, sendai company realizes they're getting tax-raped, relocates "head office" to tokyo and gets put in a lower bracket, keeps actual operations in sendai and just sends some secretary-type down to Tokyo to sit in front of a phone all day).

the buy an akiya or old house is a psyop because japs never buy old property and demolition costs money so real estate agents that work with foreigners figured out they could massively upsell these properties and market them abroad as DUDE FREE LMAO. they are hoping you take the bait and spend 10k on property that gives you no advantage and only exists as a liability to you. then when you want to exit you realize you can't sell, can't renovate, and need to demo and sell the land anyway. they are offloading demo work cost to YOU and you're taking the bait.

>>2825383
Having a surname that isn't "Smith", "Jones", or "Miller", wearing glasses, and having a college education

>>2825656
Sunil please go back to India

The government is working on plans to prevent foreign parasites from buying/reselling/running AirBNBs. “Investing” in housing now is like investing in used sofas. Property here has never been considered an investment and there’s a post-Covid bubble with chinks and fags buying up land because they think it’ll pay off, but that’s coming to an end soon.

>>2825915
Imagine if America did this

>>2825915
airbnb is already regulated here. if you believe any of this you've been psyopped. the chinese airbnb issue is caused by osaka deregulating airbnbs because some retard decided they didn't have enough hotels for the expo(and probably has a bunch of commie slumlord friends) - they're still regulated to the point of being non-profitable outside like two areas in osaka.

>>2825915
I've heard stories about how hard it is to even get a decent apartment over there because some Chink will show up at the last minute with a briefcase full of money to outbid you.

>>2825974
And those chinks are sharing advice to do so on this very board. Sad to see, really.

>>2824745
>>2825626
Can an anon with a real, pleasant property that they actually live in (or rent to tenants) explain their process?

>>2827453
I've leased to people back home, what's your question. "How do I become a landlord?" that's way too much for a conversation on 4chan.

if you assume it's buy house->lease out for X dollars->make bank. LOL.

Some places you can do that, the US is often pretty lax in midwest states, but many others for long term actual lease signed and agreed is hellish.

>>2827455
I wasn't asking for something as general as that, and I know it's not a simple process. Was just looking to hear a little bit from a JP anon who had gone through the property process. I'll probably never be in a position to buy.

>>2827466
what do you even mean explain the process? process of what? buying the property? renting it? renovation and compliance with local laws?

just gonna assume you mean purchase, it goes something like:
>find a real-estate agent, establish some kind of connection with him
>search entire market for properties using aggregator sites
>use your gaijin-friendly agent to approach the owners with an offer
>agree on terms of purchase and create purchase agreement
>sign purchase agreement
>transfer money, agent handles paperwork transferring property to you

we basically need to buy in cash or with foreign-sourced loan since jap banks only lend to permanent residents.

>>2825974
bidding wars are only really something that happens w/ commercial real estate or in shinkiba/odaiba(which is where these chinky bidding wars for condos all the japs are freaking out about are happening since they built a bunch of trashy "luxury" housing on landfill and nobody with any sense wants them)

>>2824187
Pro tip: everyone but you knows what they are

>Weebs not understanding what loneliness in a foreign country feels like, let alone in japan

Anon, you'll be either buying a piece of shit whose walls are made of paper with cicadas buzzing louder than human voices, termites that have been munching on anything thats made of wood (i.e everything), or you'll get a relatively livable house but you'll get tangled up in an inheritance fuckfest so hard you'll wish you could hunt down everyone involved and their families for good measure.

But the absolute worst thing is the loneliness. No one understands what you say, let alole understand you as a person. No friends, no contacts beside whoever you meet on the internet. Only old folks who are just waiting to die in squalor. This isnt the japan you want to experience.

>>2825344
>brainwashed
>thinks Kamala or Bernie Sanders would have been great presidents
I bet you unironically think Antifa are the good guys too.

>>2825344
You sound like you took the clot shot at least 2 times with 8 boosters.

>>2825383
>>2825400
He needs to stay in his globohomo, tranny/nig worshipping containment zone called a city. Rural America is full and doesn't need any more of these retards.

>>2828603
/trv/ might be the board with the strongest urban/rural divide

>>2828600
>>2828601
>>2828603
Please seek help

>>>/pol/

>>2827466
I did most the research to move to Japan.

The short of it is unless you're won the visa lottery there, or the way I was going for it. Was US military IT contracts with a game plan after ~10 years moving to some other kind of job maybe working for Dell/HP/Cisco as an English speaking tech with some Japanese.

Kanagawa has some nuisances for Americans and foreigners, but housing prices are more or less fucked there due to the foreigner "tax" real estate agents can get away with. Honestly unless you shack up with a native or have Pewd's level of cash to throw around, it's not going to be worth it.

Practically speaking, take everything you know about buying a home in your home country then Japanese it. Either completely throw loans out of the window or have a huge interest rate that would make Caleb Hammer die. Then take an HOA and implement it on yourself because most places will have something very similar to an HOA despite it not technically having any real authority, they can make your life a living hell though.

>b-b-but my investor's visa!
This requires a HUGE business project detail you can't go in with the 300k(I think) and say yeah going to just open up a burger joint and sell american food lol. It's something I know a few friends tried to do with their crypto winnings, only to find out they need a local bank, friendly realtor, everything included with owning a home basically, and then can submit their proposal.

>>2824191
It's not about won't or don't speak. It's about you literally can't live there as someone not making money. You can't go there and buy a house and live there. You need a reason. A spouse, a student visa, work visa, a lot of money to start a business and employ 2 Japanese people. something. And none of us here want that.

>>2825264
Post both of them, just basic examples that are ready to move in with little to no maintenance. For laughs I took a look and I can't find whatever the hell you're on about. I always hear weebs say this stupid shit but when asked where these magical things exist in Japan are, it's all silence. Looking on ReMax, picrel was the closest I could find which is 1hr to Shinjuku station to get on the tokyo/yamanote loop.

This is before closing costs and agent fees, inspections, someone to file all the additional appropriate paperwork you have 0 clue about, taxes, and assuming you have all that cash upfront as you aren't getting a mortgage as a foreigner. Not going to get into taxes since that' comes down to a lot of assessments and so on, and seems like it can flux between 2-5% depending on a few factors.

One funny thing about Japan is they can be pretty anal about how you take care of your home, think HOA levels, meaning if you solely go on the visa-free system you're going to be paying someone 6/mo out of the year to come around and touch up the place.

Again, please go ahead and post your housing because ReMax is one of the few agencies that will take up the task of dealing with a gaijin.

>>2829100
That's a house in the middle of nowhere. Its true value, at its completely new state, is half of that. You'd be lucky to get 15% of that back a few years down the road.

>>2829124
>in tokyo prefecture
>middle of nowhere

Anon I....

>>2824484
funny how these retards dont reply to you. yes you can own a home but no you cannot live in it forever. everything you said is correct.. its very difficult to buy a home in japan. most of the time they want you to renovate the place according to earthquake codes in a certain time frame.

its more for renting out, but then again nobody lives in these towns anyway.

>>2828603
>Rural America is full and doesn't need any more of these retards.
And rural Japan, where these houses primarily are, need fat gaijins coming in?

>>2830664
Yes.
>>2828629
Probably up there with /out/, though is a lot of homeless schizos there too.
>>2824655
Familymart has amazing food. It's on a whole other level.
>>2824745
How much for the rocks?

>>2832362
>icanfixher.jpg
>1996
>listed for +1 year
I would bet a good chunk of change the foundation got cracked or is slipping because "muh hecking house on a hill!"

>>2832387
>listed for +1 year
Japan has 9 million empty homes anon, you seem to think it's like whatever shithole you're from

>>2832445
Not my argument in the slightest. I understand that it's clear you've not done home shopping ever in your life but at least take some basic YT level things to consider before home ownership. A house that has not been properly maintained in HVAC, vines crawling into the side and roof, mold inspection (big for japan), and so on is going to need a lot of work. House issues snowball, especially multi story ones which are compounded when on a hillside like that. I simply don't understand why this board goes WOW HECKING CHEAP HOUSE BUT JAPAN!!! without realizing Japanese environment is detrimental to housing due to basic weather events and geology.

>>2832455
Meanwhile in my country
>50% more expensive
>4 hours inland drive from Perth, the most isolated city on Earth
>photos show it was clearly inhabited by junkie tenants
>insane town with huge amounts of crime
>literally known for the worst murders ever committed in the state
>under offer after 3 weeks on the market
I know perfectly well how to renovate a house and have done it to absolute shitholes. The main issue with japan is not having something like Bunnings(Home depot).
The western world is fucked, if you are going to do up a holiday house, Japan or southern Europe is ripe.

>>2832503
>sells out to chang and company
>WHY IS EVERYTHING WRONG WITH CHANGS COUNTRY AFFECT MY COUNTRY!

>>2824098 (OP)
if there was an asian union and i could have an akiya house, then freely travel to thailand for weekend hookers I think it would be worth doing.

>>2834689
funny I'm trying to decide between Japan and Thailand now. Japan has better long term prospects as far as living long term maybe starting a family and obviously buying a home. Thailand really makes it much harder to live there.
>>2824098 (OP)
I love how most of the people in this thread turn into westoid boomers when asked about buying a house in another country. If you want to live in japan buying an akiya is not a fucking investment it'd a fucking house to LIVE in, fuck sake.

>>2834828
>. If you want to live in japan buying an akiya is not a fucking investment it'd a fucking house to LIVE in, fuck sake.
Spoken like a true retard.

A house is an investment, one you live in. If nothing else it's an investment into yourself and lifestyle. All of these houses are going to need a fair bit of repairs and fixes, be it up to code standards, fixing leaks from years of no one living in them, unmolding shit, getting rid of critters that nested etc. All that takes time, money and energy to accomplish which guess what? It's an investment into. If you're not willing to pour a lot into it, most of which you won't get back, you're wasting your time.

Zoomer brains out here thinking investment only means stock options and $$$ flipping lmao.

>>2834833
An investment, generally speaking, means something that potentially nets you something in return. An old house in the middle of nowhere in Japan isn't an investment in this sense. It doesn't matter how much time and effort you put into one because no one wants to live there. Each second that passes, your property loses value. There's a reason why these perfectly fine to live in houses are being given away for free or being sold for peanuts. Operationally they're a huge loss. Taxes, maintenance, fees, regular inspections, and the eventual gigantic cost to reform/renovate it.
Does your property have a septic tank? There's an annual inspection, if it fails you're looking at a 20 grand cost of fixing it up.
Will you be living in it? Sure, but even then that's still a very bad investment, specially for foreigners dreaming of an isekai 360 moonwalk away from their miserable lives.
The silver lining in this thread is that none of these larpers have the drive to go through the shit this requires and those that do will eventually realize that buying a house won't buy them residency.

t. probably the only guy in this thread who actually owns a house in the middle of nowhere in Japan

>>2825344
>>2825656

Twitter rage bait is not fucking reality dude. Have you never actually talked to another human? Rural America is extremely comfy and people take care of you, even if you were a foreigner they'd treat you well and actually try to talk to you. White people are actually pretty nice 9/10 times. The more evil libtards think they are, the kinder they are in reality.

>>2835065
Thanks anon, I think the other guy doesn't understand I as arguing against all the people who are saying it's a waste of money to buy a house in japan. It has no resale value but the value is living there because you want to live in it.
Not trying to get pedantic about the word investment.
>>2834833
read the thread people are talking about monetary returns, which is irreverent if you are going to live in japan learn Japanese and many marry a Japanese person then why the fuck would you worry about making money on your house that no one is going to buy?

>>2824098 (OP)
https://youtu.be/O2AsDSalGZc?si=g-4I7O08crc-ARRG

>>2824976
Its not about soul are you retarded? Its about entertainment and the beach

>>2835065
>>2835076
NGL most the thread seems to be focused on using he house to move into and live in Japan. The few posts I see about "leasing it out" only came up after retards learned they can't just buy a house and get citizenship or leave it empty for half the year.

>>2835186
Anon 99% of these cheap houses are in the middle of nowhere. You're not getting the beach or entertainment (outside a pachinko).

>>2824098 (OP)
https://youtube.com/shorts/2twCJZjDQA8?si=U_CgRs7B5Edx_lDc

>>2835188
Its not a huge country

>>2835193
Until you realize a lot of these houses are far from a train station meaning you need to take a long bus (inb4 I will buy a kei car) okay buddy.

>>2835188
depends what you consider cheap under 100k can be found in every city

>>2835204
See >>2829100

>>2829100
Link? Also why would I want to go to a place where they use slurs like gajin and my people are a minority?

>>2835194
I spent 80% of my life in country areas where the nearest Walmart was an hour away

>>2835194
This one is near water and train station. But it says land rights are not always guaranteed.

>>2827475
>landfill : |
>landfill japan :D

>>2828560
As someone who very recently emigrated to Japan due to crippling levels of alienation from his own home country, I am probably one of the very few exceptions to the rule. Loneliness is something to look out for, yes. But it also completely loses its power if you've already suffered it the majority of your life.

I was in a strange, alien land, surrounded by a people I couldn't understand, and who couldn't understand me. And then I emigrated to Japan.

>>2832362
>Probably up there with /out/
Pandemic remote work/lockdowns brought an insufferable quantity of REI urbanites to that board. Has the situation improved at all?

>>2824098 (OP)
Because they're fucking stupid for 99% of Japanese and 99.9% of foreigners.

>>2824976
This. Rural America sucks, but it's the beneficiary of so much more welfare than rural parts of the rest of the world, which are just for poor pensioners to fuck off and die.

>>2835263
Elon's Tesla Tiny House is only 6 grand (IIRC) and would be a much better investment, honestly. Only problems would be:
>getting it up to Japan's earthquake safety standards
>Obviously wouldn't be able to use it anywhere near a city, so the same kind of problem with Akiya homes
I'm guessing the former problem could be ironed out with Elon's intervention though.