Thread 2831995

Should I go to Switzerland or Southern Chile?
I heard that Switzerland is full of Indian & Chinese tourists everywhere you go. May as well go somewhere else with snowcapped mountain ranges & glacial lakes that isn't overrun with tourists, and Chile sounds perfect.

Go to Appalachia

>>2831995 (OP)
Switzerland if you want to spend thousands to take some photos.
Chile if you want to spend thousands getting your balls drained until they ache and throb. (if you're a male)
Depends on your intent.

>>2831995 (OP)
It's not exactly the same landscape but don't count on Chile being cheaper than Switzerland once you factor in how remote and inaccesible Patagonia is

>>2831995 (OP)
> Switzerland is full of Indian & Chinese tourists
and hijabis and niqabis from the Gulf too

but the tourists don't actually hike or interact meaningfully with nature. go on a 5-6 hour hike, heck, walk 25 minutes away from any major gondola or modern transporation amenity and the hordes of swarth disappear
all of a sudden you have turned back the clock and are surrounded by fellow Aryans of good character and good cheer.

So Switzerland is absolutely still worth it if you are into deep nature and/or outdoor sports. And the train infrastructure is super convenient - frequent arrivals/departures, stations at every town or village, and a not too expensive 1st class to relax in if 2nd class starts feeling crowded. I highly doubt Chile could provide comparable service. For example, think of a hike from Schynigge Platte to First passing through the Faulhorn - you have a mountain outpost where you can get drinks + food halfway through, and the views throughout are absolutely stunning. Tons of these trails and subhumans are usually too lazy/weak to go on them

>france is basically cairo
>switzerland is basically new delhi
>germany is basically aleppo
Literally nothing I read on 4chan is true about anywhere I've been IRL, are people just making up random nonsense or am I just really bad at finding the parts of these countries that resemble a /pol/ fever dream? Pic unrelated.

>>2832756
>switzerland is basically new delhi
Nobody said that but yeah indian, chinese and arab tour groups hitting the touristic hot spots like locusts is a reality to the point some places are just tourist theme parks with close to no local contact anymore. They just rush tour group after tour group trough it to take the same pics, eat at the same places, buy the same stuff and watch the same "traditional swiss culture" theater performance by actors pretending to be "locals".
To the point you have stores/restaurants/areas that are 100% staffed by arab/chinese/hindi speakers because no one else will frequent it or buy there and they grow. that's how big the disconnect already is.

For example the Zeughauskeller in Zurich used to be a spot for tourists and locals alike restaurant with fair priced tasty classic local comfort food. Since the chinky flu it's almost tourists only and the only locals you still find there are those with foreign guests because they want to explicit go there as it somehow ended up as the "ultimate zurich must go food place". The reason: It was always loud but now it feels like a bus station where all they want is to get youd fed and thrown out ASAP (getting presented the check with the main course is not unusual...) Staff is from anywhere in the world, and you will barely find a swiss german speaker left.
Feels bad.
Same shit happened to the upper Bhanhofsstrasse hit up Bucherer, Louis Vuitton or the Bally Store and you will be welcomed in any language but a swiss national language and they will struggle to find one that actually speaks it.

You can avoid those groups but at the usual hotspot/changing points they will be there and it can shit up your trip. Imagine hitting the Jungfrau (most swiss will never do it) and sharing the experience with 100 chinks and 200 jeets.

>>2832790
I was mostly in the french speaking part of CH so maybe those groups don't go there. Everyone seemed pretty nice too, despite everyone telling me CH was populated by xenophobic/racist assholes (I'm brown)

Maybe my problem is I show up in countries without doing any research, I just show up, drop off my bags, wander until I'm hungry, then pull out google maps and type "restaurant near here" so I get whoever paid google the most money instead of where I'm "supposed to go" per social media influencers

>>2831995 (OP)
>heard that Switzerland is full of Indian & Chinese tourists
I lived for many years in Switzerland, and while it’s undeniable that a lot of popular tourist destinations there get a lot of Indian tourism, in part because a few extremely successful Bollywood blockbusters were shot there, you’ve got to be pretty soft to be bothered by it. Indian tourists in Switzerland are either extremely wealthy families or very bourgeois expat professionals (scientists working in pharma, engineers, some finance people) showing visiting relatives around. They’re not offensive at all unless you’re very easily offended and can get triggered just by seeing a South Asian on the street. I spent a few days in the beautiful tourist trap that is the Lauterbrunnen valley just a couple of months ago, and while the local trains all had scattered posh Desi familes on them, they were fewer in number than Euro tourists. Pic from the justly beloved resort village of Wengen related; I did not eat there, but there is an Indian restaurant in town that you may feel compelled to avoid.

Chinese tourists who make it to Switzerland, likewise, typically have money and largely keep to themselves. They’re also less often in really large tour groups than they can be in other countries. I see a fairly large number of families, but not many Chinese-only tour buses.

>>2832812
>maybe those groups don't go there
There they have their 4 locations they hit in masses, Gstaad(still in the german part but closer to the french than anything else) Montreux, Lausanne and Geneva. The other places don't exist on the toursit map and if it's for one quick stop. So what you do will avoid those places mostly completely.

>populated by xenophobic/racist assholes
Proof yourself as a cool guy that can take and make a joke and they're all cool as long as you don't shit up the place no one cares. Swiss racism/hate knows no color or limits, any target is legit if there's a reason to open up on.

>>2831995 (OP)
>snowcapped mountain ranges & glacial lakes
Most of those are hard to reach in Chile and plain inaccesible during winter.
It is cheaper than Switzerland but way more empty.

>>2832882
You gotta have a 4x4 if you want to go exploring in the Americas. In Switzerland, you buy transport tickets to the top of mountains.

>>2831995 (OP)
One, it depends on the time of year when you can go. Chile you definitely want to go in summer, Switzerland it depends on what you wanna do. I've been to both and I prefer Chile because it's far emptier. Switzerland's infrastructure is amazing of course but you really do pay for it, and that comes with increased regulation and surveillance. In the lake district or Aysen, you can camp pretty much anywhere, and hitchhiking is super easy, so getting around is slower than Switz but it's still enjoyable. You didn't mention your budget but you can have way more fun in Chile for way less than in Switzerland, and unlike the other anon said, it's way cheaper.
I hitched the carretera austral last year and barely spent $20-25 a day - with no transport costs, getting a campsite, eating a meal out every other day and drinking a lot (chileans like to party). it was a great time and the people are really sweet, not much english though.

anyway, go to switzerland if you want convenience and wanna pay for it, and go to patagonia if you wanna have a good adventure. but do try to stay longer down there because it's far from everything and not cheap to get to, and like i said, getting around takes time.

>>2832790

Nigga, It's Zurich. It has always been and will always be a multi-ethnic multicultural banking city. Albeit back in the day it was isolated to mostly European diaspora. Zurich is where anyone with money goes to live and bank.

The city always has and always will accept any and every nationality with certain economic standing. I understand complaining about over tourism in Interlaken, St, Moritz, etc but Zurich is as it has always been, a service station for the wealthy. Fucking Kim Jong Un studied in Switzerland.

Go to Zanzibar.

>>2832664
Really? Jeets fucking LOVE hiking in America.

>>2833162
>erm do you realize
No achmed, just two extremely close European ethnic groups (yes, two - because let's be honest, the "Italians" are actually Germans) shared a small territory for a while doesn't mean they need to let in infinity brown people from the most backwards shitholes on the other side of the planet. What a retarded disingenuous argument.

>b-but this one head of state
Reflect on why you're so desperate to escape your own people and live near us

>>2832822
>Indian tourists in Switzerland are either extremely wealthy families or very bourgeois expat professionals

>>2833138
>Chile you definitely want to go in summer
The best season is mid-November till mid-January, and then March. Chileans tend to take vacations during February, and while it might rain some more down south during November/March, it is much quieter and there's less people around.

>>2833501
I really don't see what your point is, it's not clear the guy with his feet on the seat is one of the Indians and what they're eating isn't really smelly or messy

>>2833836
collectively eating some indian crackers on public transit definitely gives the ick
and these are not "extremely wealthy" "bourgeois" people as was alleged but your typical stinky uncouth jeets

>>2831995 (OP)
>a mountainous land of green and sky with perfect homes and flowers populated by beautiful white women who are tall and thin
>brown shithole full of lazy immoral squats where you could die from a thug scam
Such a hard decision

check the archives there was a reply to >2833836 and the fragile insecure Indian reported the post and the Indian jeet mod banned the user for it and deleted the comment

>>2832289
>Chile if you want to spend thousands getting your balls drained until they ache and throb. (if you're a male)
pls elaborate

>>2831995 (OP)
Noe? This month? Lol its raining non stop and wind due to the storm named Benjamin