Superior to the first movie in every way

>>211394170 (OP)
Why does he speak spanish?

>>211394170 (OP)
nah, the first movie is genuinely brilliantly shot

>>211394170 (OP)
Superior to every action movie before or after. Terminator 2 is the full package for action movies. It’s perfect.

>>211394170 (OP)
Correct

>>211394203
>I’m in a bar called Tech Noir

Brad Fiedel's score for Terminator 2 literally RUINED the film. Absolutely ATROCIOUS. And anyone who disagrees is a fucking MORON.

>>211394170 (OP)
terminator? more like kinonator

>>211394170 (OP)
How fair is it to compare movies made more than 10 years apart? With vastly different budgets? They’re both as good as their circumstances allowed them to be.

Now Alien and Aliens…

>>211394170 (OP)
No.

>>211394277
I beat off to Ripley in Aliens, and it wasn’t until years later I found out he was a man.

>>211394170 (OP)
It's not a superior horror film thoughbeit.

>>211394170 (OP)
wrong

>>211394277
aliens is garbage

>>211394203
Mos def. Love the subtle Frankenstein reference here with the neon

nah the part where the terminator is mowing people down in the future with his glowing red eyes mogs the entirety of t2

>>211394457
Frankenstein reference?

>>211394231
Why do you keep spamming this!

>>211394611
Frankenstein was animated through electricity run through his neck terminals. The wall/head imagery is suggests Frankenstein or at the very least, an artificial animating force.
Art is subjective but they didn’t create that prop and film it that way for no reason.

>>211394457
>>211394712
Extreme reach

>>211394170 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpMg1upld0w
T1 has much better pacing.

>>211394457
And be arrived and died with a big electrical bolt. Interesting. Never got the Frankenstein reference

>>211394314
You sure it wasn’t Alien? There was no fan service in Aliens.

>>211394231
weak b8

>>211394170 (OP)
My wife prefers 1 because of the romance aspect, which is understandable if you’re a woman ig. As far as action, characterization, effects, and plot go 2 pretty much blows it out of the water.
Obviously the original is still great but it doesn’t get much better than T2

>>211394170 (OP)
John Connor was cute and he wasn't in the first movie.

>>211394314
The fuck are you talking about? Sigourney Weaver is a woman.

>>211396107
I wish movies still did obscured shit like this and used practical effects.

>>211394170 (OP)
Kino

>>211394170 (OP)
Except plot, characters, music, cinematography, direction...
>muh action scenes
They are literally just bigger and louder, even action scenes in the first one are better. They are more tense, better shot, the stakes are much higher.

>>211394386
kys

T2 was too hollywood for my liking, T1 was cinema.

>>211394770
>ah yeah dude lets just put that neon thing there and have the camera point at arnold standing exactly in front of it just because.... yeah
ngmi

Terminator 1 would be over in 2 minutes if Kyle Reese had used shotgun slug.

>T1
>onions adventure horror
>terminator is gumby
>terminator is literally Michael Myers
>reflection on saving Palestine
>T2
>all American family values
>reflection on how technology might not be a good thing
>Robert Patrick kino
>Guns and Roses kino
>minigun scene
>grenade launcher scene
>most iconic death scene for hero and villain of the 90s

>>211394170 (OP)
Pretty sure the song playing in Tech Noir is a reference to the nuclear war Skynet causes.
Tahnee Cain & The Tryanglz - Burnin' In The Third Degree
>you’ve got me burning
>you’ve got me burning
>in the thirrrrrd degreeee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdcbhPWpPLc

>>211394170 (OP)

T1 Linda > T2 Linda.

T1: Scared but brave, gutsy but feminine. Canonically fertile.
T2: Tryhard roided-up macho bull dyke. Probably has shrivelled ovaries.

>>211394770
nah cameron is turbo autistic

>>211397740
Awful hair

>>211397829
you got a real attitude problem

>>211394170 (OP)
Facts, although the first movie is still brilliant

>>211394203
Both were shot by Adam Greenberg

>>211394277
T1 and T2 are 7 years apart

>>211397740
I really like the hospital escape when she sees the t-800 again and goes from epic girlboss to the scared normal girl in T1.

>>211397019
>Except plot, characters, music, cinematography, direction...
All of those are vastly superior in the sequel nigger

>>211397829
Yeah when I first saw the hair I reached for the remote to press back, but successfully resisted.

>>211394170 (OP)

>>211394203
>>211394225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IPBgUKGdYk

>>211394170 (OP)
Arnold in T1 - terrifying murder machine, focused only on his target, Sarah Connor is protected by human, so main theme of franchise (man vs machine) is strongly emphasized in movie.
Arnold in T2 - big toy for a little kid, making jokes and poses on command, fights even better robokiller cause humans are useless.
Big improvement!
Also
>>211397019
>>211397740

>>211397740
Another thing that T1 did better than T2: the last line(s) of dialogue.

T1: "What did he just say?" — "He said there's a storm coming in." — "I know."
COOL, FOREBODING, SIGNALLING SARAH ACCEPTING HER NEW RESPONSIBILITY

T2: "Because if a machine — a terminator — can learn the value of human life . . . maybe we can too."
OK, I GUESS, BUT A BIT PREACHY

>>211394170 (OP)

Greatest cinematic experience of my life and has my second favorite music video ever, after Thriller.... https://youtu.be/MXx9S2nDouY?si=DrgzR_xrkvjnO4h4

But I prefer the first more these days because it leans further into Horror!!!FACT!!!

>Arnold in T1 - terrifying murder machine, focused only on his target, Sarah Connor is protected by human, so main theme of franchise (man vs machine) is strongly emphasized in movie.

>>211394203
>nah, the first movie is genuinely brilliantly shot

Both movies had Adam Greenberg as their cinematographer while he used spherical lenses and shot in 1:85:1:

QUOTE: The 1.85:1 aspect ratio, also known as "Flat" or "American Flat," is a standard widescreen format in cinema and television. It's achieved by using spherical lenses, which are regular, non-anamorphic lenses. Spherical lenses are used to capture the image, and then the final aspect ratio is achieved either through masking in the camera or in post-production when the image is presented on screen.

This format has a somewhat grainy texture to the image and gives it a bit more grit and atmosphere. It's the same format used for Return of the Living Dead that I like to bring up as both The Terminator and ROTLD were both produced through Helmdale Films, with John Daly and Derek Gibson as Executive Producers and Orion Pictures distributing both of them.

Also;

Stanzi Stokes was the casting Director for both T1 and ROTLD
The electrical lightning effects used at the beginning of T1 when the Terminator appears were re-used for the lightning storm in ROTLD.

Then there's the connections between Dan O'Bannon and James Cameron as O'Bannon wrote Alien to which Cameron then did Aliens.

Anywho, for T2 Greenberg used anamorphic lenses with a 2:39:1 aspect ration which is why it has a much more clean and sharper image and kinda detracts the more Horror related moments and doesn't give the sort of haunting visual quality T1 had, especially in the future war scenes compared to T2 which are much more crisp and don't feel as nightmarish as they did in the first!!!FACT!!!

>>211394277
>Now Alien and Aliens…

Alien for the Horror, Aliens for the action. Both are great in their own ways and only contrarian asswipes say otherwise!!!FACT!!!

>great movie vs great movie
damn

>>211394457
>Mos def. Love the subtle Frankenstein reference here with the neon

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed!!!FACT!!!

>>211394203
Why not both.

>>211396107
I always liked that scene.

>>211398943
that shit looks like Gumby lmao
that's your Micheal Myers esque no jump scare bone chilling villian?

>>211398963

>>211397923
That was really good and pretty realistic.

>>211396734
I prefer the original for the horror aspect. But I acknowledge that the sequel is the superior movie in every other conceivable way. If I could make any change, I'd actually have Arnold killing the bikers at the start instead of just tossing them around. Can't have the good guy killing innocents though, apparently.

>>211399075
He causes serious injury and instills extreme fear in them, which is kinda cooler than just a straight up boring massacre. A lot of them will be mentally fucked up for years to come.

>>211394170 (OP)
Nah, its just a soulful unnecessary sequel. First movie is the best, because it feels like a b movie but with a AAA budget

>>211399132
Also, do yourselves a favour and watch the 35mm version of both movies. Its probably the best way to see terminator 1+2

>>211399132
All things considered, how many movies have started as some b-movie and ended up with a blockbuster level sequel? This is the only time that comes to mind.

>>211399149
>35mm version of both movies
Unfathomably based. Same for Jurassic Park 1.

>>211398134
this. 1 is better because there's no stupid kid the entire movie
>aw gee whiz terminator you can't kill him!

The first one had a gritty horror to it that I don't see anywhere else

Second one is more of an action flick. Still good though

Terminator 2 is like a redditified version of the first movie, it's proto-capeshot whoch is why reddit loves it so much

>>211399203
Nah, that's Terminator 3 and all that came after it. T2 was just right.

Who's laughing now.

>>211399225
It's depressing that Ridley Scott is such a hack now and is going full George Lucas with his old movies.

>>211399160
>All things considered, how many movies have started as some b-movie and ended up with a blockbuster level sequel? This is the only time that comes to mind.

Not quite the same, because the sequel wasn't good / wildly successful, but

Evil Dead: budget $375K
Evil Dead 2: budget £3.5 million

A tenfold increase in budget because of an unexpected hit.

Friday 13th similar (first one didn't cost much, made a bunch, so they spend loads on the next one)

T2
Aliens
Godfather Part 2
Twin Peaks The Return
Pawoqaatsi
Dune Part 2
Revenge of the Fallen
Attack of the Clones
Kill Bill Vol 2
Am i forgetting anything

>>211399261
Well, I meant more about being a wildly successful blockbuster. No argument about Evil Dead 2 being much more popular and profitable than its first one, but it was still a more cult film than being #1 at the box office like T2 was. I'd honestly love to know if any others reach heights like T2 but I genuinely can't think of any.

>>211399283
>he thinks The Godfather, Alien and Twin Peaks weren't as massive or as popular as their sequels
anon...

>Superior to the first movie in every way

>>211399293
Silence of the Lambs was much bigger than Manhunter, if you count it as a sequel.

Rambo was much bigger than First Blood. (But First Blood was ten times better.)

>>211398880
alien is full and boring

>>211399170

That bottle is the true hero!!!FACT!!!

>>211399333

Pasta lasagna baby!!!FACT!!!

>>211399293
The Good, The Bad and the Ugly was the third in the trilogy. It earned a lot more than the other two and was the one that made Clint Eastwood a superstar.

>>211399386
love manhunter, first blood and the first terminator movie better than the movies that followed

>>211398880
>Alien for the Horror
then how come its not scary or tense?

>>211396927
xe does not even pass...

>>211399564
Okay Jonesy.

I like the first more. But both are good movies in their own right. Feel the same way about Alien and Aliens. The genres just shifted a bit, but they were still good movies. Different isn't always bad.

>>211399590
the cat bit was the only good scene of the film. the rest was so boring it was hard to sit through

>>211394205
>Superior to every action movie before or after.
Sully typed this post
Commando is the best action movie

>>211399637
This.

>>211396734
The first one was a straight-up horror film and because of the limitations they had to work with it has atmosphere out the ass.

The second one is where the Hollywoodization of Terminator began and while it's still a decent flick, plot-wise it's pretty inferior to the original not to mention it's directly responsible for introducing all the timeline fuckery that ruined future Terminator media.

>>211403037
T2 is still awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhL8WlDHKaY

>>211403333
The digits Galleria?

>>211399075
>But I acknowledge that the sequel is the superior movie in every other conceivable wa
>dumb story that adds in all the time travel paradox bullshit that wasn't present in the first one
>preachy fucking narratives
>shit script
>kid
T2 is the most overrated Cameron movie outside of Titanic (I don't rate Abatap because nobody outside a few idiots rate those).

its inferior in every possible way but effects and scope. its the same movie, but worse. only nostalgia goggle faggots will say otherwise.

>>211394170 (OP)
except atmosphere and horror and story

>>211394314
Was this you?

>>211397345
So they were autistic enough to do all that but didnt put it.through his neck? What is it like.being a low int schizophrenic?

>>211397693
>adventure horror
The fuck? retard

>>211394231

>>211399210
T3 is more self aware than t2. Term starts quipping like its marvelslop whilst trying to pretend theres serious stakes to the plot