Thread 211401884

Sloan and the Sloanettes edition

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I've seen this OP before. Do better.

>>211401947
this gif needs to be 2 seconds longer

>>211401884 (OP)
Dr. Bashir? I'm S31.

In light of SNW being cancelled. Two things can be true at once. One: SNW likely had dogshit ratings for being a direct prequel to one of the most iconic shows of all time. And two: five seasons is a normal run for the streaming era. Even popular shows like Stranger Things only got five 8 episode seasons. TV shows just aren’t meant to have 200-300 episodes anymore, and that’s okay.

>>211401884 (OP)
>>211402052
Well, Sloan, you got yourself caught.

What's your next step in your master plan?

there is this really odd artifact that shows up occasionally sometimes its on the other side of the screen, I'm wondering if its just the version I'm watching or if it would still show up on the dvds or streaming versions

>>211402052
Sloan?

>>211402130
Cloaked Warbird! Reid Alert!

>>211402120
Purging the Romulan Senate... with no survivors!

Good Morning Crewmen!
You won't be needing those replicator rations today, I've whipped up another batch of my delicious Leola Root stew, famous all throughout the delta quadrant... care for a bowl?

>>211402177
I've never watched Voyager and this thing makes me not want to. Can you explain to me what the fuck they were thinking when they designed this alien? It's off putting in every single fucking way. The thing I hate the most is his creepy baby teeth

>>211402102
The ratings must not have been the worst in the world if they're letting them make a Season 5 when Season 3 hasn't come out yet. I hope it means that they're going to try clean the slate. By the time that Season 5 airs I imagine that the Academy show and that comedy will be ending around the same time.

>>211402150
I like this explanation the artifact only shows up in bits like this, so a warbird has been stalking the rio grande since season one this is now my head canon would be crazy if it showed up the next time the rio grande gets blown up

>>211402205
Seconding this. TNG/DS9 are my eternal vibe. I’ll get to VOY eventually, just not this year.
But what the fuck is Neelix supposed to be? A cat/lizard hybrid?

>>211402102
ratings have almost nothing to do with how long a show runs. studio pays for development and pays it off on the books for 3-5 years which lowers the cost of production for each season. once the clock runs out they are paying full price for production. if they spend that money on developing a new show instead they get to spread it out another 3-5 years and the cylce continues. academy was greenlit because snw was going to be canceled. snw was greenlit because std was going to be canceled. the sitcom was greenlit because LD was canceled.
good news for trek fans, skydance doesnt isnt taking over paramount to keep doing the same can kicking that almost ran them out of business.

>>211402283
>>211402205
you need to watch it 5 or 10 times to get it. ds9 and tng actually get worse the more you watch

Well you see there are tiers of star trek shows and it goes in order from top to bottom
>Star Trek Original Series
>Star Trek TNG, Star Trek Voyager
>Star Trek Enterprise
>Star Trek Deep Space Nine
>any other star trek at the bottom
Not including movies. This is a definitive and incorrigible ranking. I have watched each of these shows so I know.

>>211402331
nta but I've been watching tos tng and ds9 for over 2 decades and its never gotten worse

>>211402344
>incorrigible: meaning
>An incorrigible person or incorrigible behaviour is bad and impossible to change or improve
that is indeed and incorrigible ranking aka bad

>>211402360
you must not pay attention to all the retardation like letting random ferengi wander around enterprise or the federation going to war because a non federation planet refused to repect the dominions borders.

>>211402331
I wouldn’t say they get worse. Just the cracks get more visible. You see dropped plotlines and characters more easily. A lot of great Star Trek episodes have neat premises that completely fall apart under any scrutiny.

>>211402411
no I think thats far less of a problem then a schizophrenic captain obsessed with coffee and her equally schizophrenic crew

>>211402344
Sorry, we already have an OFFICIAL Trek tier list voted by the boys on the 'cord, sponsored by The Pod.

>>211402480
this is correct

>>211402444
it works because of the equally schizophrenic crew. its like a double negative

>>211402524
so its like mr burns with so many diseases none of them can get through the door? ok I'll buy that, still given the choice I would not want to be anywhere near that fucking ship, bunch of lunatics.

>>211402283
>But what the fuck is Neelix supposed to be? A cat/lizard hybrid?
He is the Snarf

>>211402287
>the sitcom was greenlit
Nothing has been greenlit. Nothing will be greenlit. Secret Hideout is just flailing, desperately trying to keep their lucrative contract with Paramount going. SNW is going to end with a pity five-episode "season" that will be just more creatively bankrupt nostalgia faggotry. NuTrek is going to end with adventures of DEI teenagers in Starfleet Academy, assuming the show won't get just Zaslav'd outright. Skydance wants to put the franchise on ice, because much like Kurtzman, they think it's not bringing in the numbers anymore.

NuTrek is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy.

>>211402205
>I've never watched Voyager

It's comfy AF. But yeah, Neelix is BY FAR the worst thing about the show. He's super annoying and barely tolerable but he doesn't ruin it because the rest of the rest of the crew is so great.

>>211402480
sister deep space nine is borderline not trek

>>211403043
incorrrect ds9 is peak trek

Rewatching TOS. Just watched The Savage Curtain. I like Yarmek as an antagonist because other aliens who pit Kirk against foes for "research" always do it until the death. Yarmek instead at the end of the episode basically admits he learnt nothing from the whole endeavour and lets them leave.

>>211403070
hi reddo

>>211403025
hardly, the doctor is great, tuvok is good, paris can be comfy, oh and 7of9 has some great assets, thats about it.

>>211402935
Here’s what I think will happen:
The new seasons will be dumped on P+ all at once with hardly any marketing. Even the journos will ignore it. Maybe one lone autist will continue the Memory Alpha writeups. NuTrek will end with a whimper and be washed away in the sea of streaming failures.

>>211403106
your not making any sense, typical of an insaneway fan

>>211403075
This is what that screenshot looks like to someone who isn’t at that episode yet.

This Enterprise design was so peak, with we could've seen it in action more than once.

>>211402344
>incorrigible
why do zoomers always throw in some random "big" word they don't know the definition of

>>211403043
Sorry, pal. It's been voted on, by the 'cord. 'Cord votes cannot be challenged.

If you refuse to abide by the OFFICIAL /trek/ tier list, your assets will be seized, your business license revoked, and no /trek/ poster will be allowed to reply to your posts.

>>211403208
said literally no-one ever the two nacelle design is perfect, that looks bad, this looks band anything with more then 2 looks bad, its like a woman with 3 breasts it just doesn't work

>>211403320
I think you could put a third nacelle on the NX-01 and it wouldn't look too bad because of how flat it is.

>>211403320
I get where you're coming from, but the thing that's appealing about it is the context that it's been refit specifically as a warship. That's what makes it cool

>>211403393
>wouldn't look too bad
doesn't mean good, I quite like the NX-1 design, a third nacelle might not look as jarring as it does on the ent-d, but that doesn't mean its an improvement

>>211403415
the only thing cool about it is the big ass super phaser below the saucer section, the third nacelle looks stupid

>>211402344
Correct except I'm swapping ENT and DS9, with an explanatory note that there's a significant power gap between TNG/VOY and DS9.

>>211403451
Imagine disintegrating a romulan warbird in one shot with that thing.

>>211403587
see now that is a cool upgrade, would've been sweet if they had something like it in yesterdays enterprise

rape gangs

>>211403843
Why doesn't the federation just send in the marines and stop these guys? Do they not care?

>>211404005
Not a Federation colony

>>211404005
prime directive

>>211404005
Something something the Prime Directive prohibits us from interfering in their internal affairs. The older I get, the more I understand that the Prime Directive is a bunch of bollocks.

>>211404005
not federation space
>>211404040
no not really its just not in their territory

>>211404040
Can they at least save my queen??

>>211404037
>>211404040
tell that to the maquis

cringer was a le-matya pass it on

>>211404091
raping people on a planet doesnt endanger an international treaty.

>>211404091
maquis are former fed citizens who rebelled different situation, besides its just a bit of the ol in and out, whats the harm?

>>211404071
So is it just illegal for the federation to reclaim one of their colonies? Why'd they allow a federation world to break out into civil war in the first place? Prime directive?

>>211404440
You have to understand that the Federation are hypocrites because the Prime Directive is hypocritical. The concept itself was created by naive hippies who were tired of the Cold War and thought you can just expect other civilizations to adhere to the same standards you do.

>>211404440
>reclaim
you are assuming tarkana IV was ever a fed colony, human colony's exist outside the federation, not all secede some simply were never fed in the first place, remember the one Data got trapped on?

>>211404440
right of secession, and then it falls apart after that. think brexit but it went even shittier

>>211404543
>>211404560
see >>211404547
there is no reason to assume tarkana IV was ever federation, human does not automatically mean federation

>>211404648
Even then, you have to understand that the Prime Directive is a horrible fucking idea. Imagine some alien warlord deciding to genocide everyone outside of Federation's borders. They'd be powerless to stop them.

>>211404731
>Imagine some alien warlord deciding to genocide everyone outside of Federation's borders.
once someone else interferes you get to intercede. see also kirk providing muskets to space davy crockett because the klangs did it first

>>211404440
The S31 movie should have been about Starfleet instigating a war on Turkana IV like our CIA does in the Middle East. That way you get both worldbuilding and social commentary.

>>211404190
turkana 4 is former fed citizens who rebelled
the difference why ds9 sucks

>>211404779
>once someone else interferes
And what if they don't?

>>211404648
>Computer, was Turkana IV a federation colony?

Jolene Blasex

>>211401884 (OP)
f my man Brooks
He didn't mean to make Heywood suffer before he got paroled

>>211404648
explain how humans colonize other planets without the involvement of and facilitation by the Federation

>>211405048
they bought ships before a post scarcity society and headed out on their own, their are multiple stories about this, mostly in tng but also in tos and ds9

>>211404929
>You will never be trapped in the decon chamber with T'pol during her Pon Farr

>>211404885
>computer is alpha wiki a reliable source?
>cannot comfirm

>>211404840
then its an internal affair, starfleet isn't the space peacekeepers the entire idea of the prime directive is because of the way we act on earth

>>211405048
>explain how humans colonize other planets without the involvement of and facilitation by the Federation
rewatch Up The Long Ladder and you will see

>>211403070
Too many filler episodes. A lot of hard core Trek out DS9 at #1 but early seasons were so unbelievably mid they had to bring in Worf to save the show. The later seasons with the Dominion war are good though.

Voyager is comfier overall and has more rewatchability than any other Trek outside of TNG and TOS.

>>211404796
source? and don't post the fucking wiki I want an actual in show source

>>211404885
its not explicit but that would be consisent with every other human population away from earth (except the 37s) all humans are united earth citizens and subsequently federation citizens unless they speficically renounce their citizenship. turkana IV left, the maquis left, terra nova left.
and then the feds killed all the maquis to protect non fed bajor from the cardassians. its fucking bullshit. it sucks

>>211405167
>prime directive is because of the way we act on earth
What is happening on Earth is proving that the Prime Directive is a dogshit idea. You can't just bury your head in the sand and pretend you're not a part of it.

>>211405194
I completely disagree, I am on a ds9 rewatch right now and while worf is fine on this rewatch i'm actually kinda annoyed with him, the dynamic between the og crew was getting so comfy and then they threw worf into the mix. I don't hate you for preferring Voy I simply am bewildered how you could.

>>211405205
>consisent with every other human population away from earth (except the 37s) all humans are united earth citizens
again, no; the mariposans and bringloidi were from a pre-united earth (iirc, the "european hegemony")

>>211405243
yes you can, space is a big place if some backwards fucktards want to kill each other leave them to it, you monitor the situation, you forget one side or the other can always ask for fed assistance, if they don't do that then the feds stay out of it.

>>211405280
There will always be spacejeets exploiting your faulty legislation. You can look to real world history to see how non-interference policies have always been exploited by regimes.
Prime Directive is simply too naive to be realistic.

>>211405425
when you are the most powerful empire by a huge margin then petty disputes by non affiliated worlds really don't matter

>>211405472
Okay, you want an example of this? Let's say some alien warlord decides to go on a rampage across non-affiliated worlds, and then starts hurling billions of refugees towards Federation space as a form of hybrid warfare. Non-interference doesn't work.

>>211405200
you need to make some common sense inferrences
there are no earth colonies before united earth so every colonist starts as an earth citizen.
earth citizens automatically became fed citizens when the federation was formed in 2161, almost 200 years before the turkana 4 colony ended relations with the federation.
so we can draw the simple conclusion that turkana 4 colonists were fed citizens
or we can break our backs bending backwards to imagine that turkana 4 colony secceded from earth before the federation was established and then thrived for at least 150 years before falling apart for no apparent reason.

>>211405524
that directly impacts the federation and they first send out diplomatic requests when that doesn't work they send a fleet, its not that complicated, if said warlord is directly impacting on federation affairs then said warlord is dealt with, simple as.

>>211405100
Was she cracked out in RL? It seemed that way to me. Like it's something the fanbase would be totally up to speed on but I was never a hired cirr enough ENT fan to follow up in it.

the Prime Directive IS an ideal and therefore up to interpretation on how to apply it to any given situation. if it's actually being exploited by enemies in a way that's going to overall cause greater harm then that would be taken into account that's why it's a fucking "directive" and a not the "supreme law of the universe"

>>211405583
yes thats correct and we have many examples of non federation colonies established outside of the federation, no reason to think turkana IV isn't one of them.

>>211405586
>if said warlord is directly impacting on federation affairs then said warlord is dealt with
Based on what? The warlord is not actively attacking the Federation and responding with military action would be an act of war. Weaponizing refugees is a legal grey area and even real world countries do not treat it like an act of aggression.
And that's without mentioning that the Prime Directive would be holding the Federation by the balls, they wouldn't do shit. They'd just take it because PD is a cucked concept.

>>211405583
>there are no earth colonies before united earth
bringloid and mariposa
bringloid and mariposa
bringloid
and
mariposa

>>211405670
no they wouldn't they would confront the warlord because they are being flooded with refugees this is where you are mixing up real life with star trek

>>211405259
>Computer, locate exact dates in which this signal beacon was in general use.
COMPUTER: Old Earth calendar, 2123 until 2190.
>2190
> the Federation was founded in 2161
does not prove your point but its close

>>211405801
>this is where you are mixing up real life with star trek
That's the point. Real world politics proves that the Prime Directive would not work. Sure, humanity might be more enlightened in the future, but there will always be more savage civilizations willing to exploit it.
>they would confront the warlord
So they would declare war, giving the warlord a valid casus belli against the Federation, giving him exactly what he wanted. See, non-interference is not plausible.

>>211405801
>they would confront the warlord
Why hasn't anyone confronted Putin yet?

>>211405863
>Real world politics proves that the Prime Directive would not work.
no it doesn't because the real world deals with a single planet and tech and a social structure that is nothing like the federation, again your attempt to make a 1:1 comparison between star trek and real life is whats tripping you up.

its funny how humans like raktajino and blood wine

The Prime Directive doesn't apply to humans.

>>211405614
>many
name 4
>>211405696
their status is unclear. possibly established after the federation was formed.

>>211405903
this isn't star trek? its one little planet where we are all interconnected in one way or another, whats the confusion?

>>211405922
>again your attempt to make a 1:1 comparison between star trek and real life is whats tripping you up
I think it's a valid comparison. Star Trek is not some fantasy world. It should at least be believable, science fiction should be plausible. But the Prime Directive is just not a plausible concept.

>>211405952
you've already had enough named, you are desperate to drag this into a real world conversation when it simply isn't.

>>211405965
The point is that Putin has been waging a hybrid war against the West for years now and no one dares to interfere. The Federation wouldn't deal with a Space Putin either but they also have the Prime Directive holding them back.

>>211405903
>m-muh Putin!

>>211405862
>>211405952
the European Hegemony was in charge of the ship launch - the dates of Federation founding were fudged after that episode and it is clearly an error. The EH was explicitly mentioned in the episode

>>211405993
it is plausable you are just discounting that we a dealing with a 3rd of the quadrent thats what the federation is, it is massive and doesn't reply on anything outside it self it only explores and brings in new civilizations to better itself and the rest of the federation. They can blacklist entire sectors if they aren't up for a conversation. Its an entirely different scenario, we are talking thousands of planets and the most advanced tech and civilization, it is not remotely comparable to anything in the real world.

>>211406043
ok read this >>211406132
your attempts to shove star trek into this tiny little box is simply stupid, idk how else to explain it.

>>211406132
>it is not remotely comparable to anything in the real world
Politics will always be the same. It doesn't matter if you're dealing with two tribes throwing spears at each other, or Type V civilizations hurling Dyson Spheres at each other. There will always be bad law and less-civilized entities willing to exploit it.

>>211406207
>or Type V civilizations hurling Dyson Spheres at each other.
whoa dude weed, what if colliding galaxies were higher level beings sending giant mass drivers at each other, man
(oh wait that was a thing in Voyager with the Q)

>>211406207
no thats entirely my point it won't always be the same because the terrain has completely changed, a gigantic civilization spanning thousands of worlds and races is quite simply not threatened at all by some 1/2 assed warlord, its not even a remote possibility, even the cardys were only a minor inconvenience until the Dominion another gigantic civilization spanning thousands of worlds and races got involved, and even then the feds won.

I hate the courtroom drama episodes. They fill me with an intense sense of dread. Like, the only reason whoever is on trial isn't sentenced guilty despite being innocent is always because of bad writing. Realistically, if people even so much as suspect that you could be guilty, they will just say you're guilty and that's that. The only time anyone is found innocent in a court of law is because of a miracle or because it's a woman on trial. So all these ridiculous Star Trek courtroom episodes just prove to me that the only way I could ever survive being unjustly accused is if the world simply magically decided I deserved plot armor like them - and that makes me fear and hate society even more.

>>211406314
>Dominion another gigantic civilization spanning thousands of worlds and races got involved, and even then the feds won.
pfft no there were 3 races that acted as a single race and then one penal colony planet and one blighted planet that only existed to show that the Domnion was evil. the Gamma quadrant was not portrayed as a real place as far as Srar Trek goes

>>211406314
>thousands of worlds and races
Thousands of worlds and races interconnected by systems, anon. Disrupt a trade lane and suddenly Soffin Secundus can't feed its citizens and people start rioting. Or, Relek VIII gets flooded by refugees, crippling the local energy production plant, cutting off energy to Dessar. Sure, some worlds might be self-sustainable, but most probably aren't. I've played enough Stellaris to know this.
The Federation is completely unequipped to deal with that kind of threat.

>>211406003
so you cannot name 4?

>>211406083
dates are what they are. federation founded 2161. european hegemony beacons continued to be used until 2190. fed status of these colonies remains unverified.

>>211406546
no the jem hadar and the vorta were the administrators and enforcers, idk why i'm even replying to you, you are an idiot, its well established the dominion is a massive empire that is in control of once again thousands of worlds and races.
>the gamma quadrant wasn't a real place
I mean really why even bother debating with you? you're just going to dismiss anything that goes against your narrative.

>>211406556
but we saw countless times that they are very well equipped to deal with disruptions they do it all the time.

>>211402205
how can you not love this loveable space clown?

>>211406546
you just might be retarded, multiple races were shown who live under the dominion the race that made the jem hadar torpedoes comes to mind for instance. Just because you don't see it on screen doesn't mean its not the case, literally everyone in the gamma quadrant talks about how they work for the dominion, you don't need to see each and every planet, same as you don't need to see each and every planet or race in the federation the klingon empire or the romulan or cardy empire, they are mentioned that is enough.

>>211406132
The Federation is literally EU-NATO in space. Like almost a 1 to 1.

>>211406693
I'm not even the guy you're arguing with but the fact of the matter is the Domnion is just not realistic. the scale on which they were operating was not as if they controlled an entire quadrant with THOUSANDS of races and planets and resources to call upon.

>>211406545
there are only 2 good ones, TOS and Ds9, Court Martial and Tribunal

>>211406884
>they don't have to have it actually in the show just write your own fanfiction and then im right, retard

fascinating argument

>>211406966
I dont like the ones on DS9 either.

>>211406886
no it isn't but we've been going in circles over this for hours now, you simply can't accept that this isn't one planet and its a lot different, I don't see any point in continuing the discussion
>>211406895
you on the other hand just need to stop talking about star trek altogether, sisko stopped all dominion reinforcements from coming through the wormhole 1/2 way through the war he made a deal with the prophets, thats the only reason the feds won. Stop posting you don't know what you are talking about.

>>211406895
I watched a super hard core nerd channel vid breaking down to a granular level a hypothetical full scale Dominion vs Borg war and it was damn close. Like almost a tossup.

>>211407040
except for Tribunal neither do I the other one is the worf trial and while it could've worked the story itself is fine, they do this bizarre 4th wall break thing where the characters talk to the camera mid cross examination, and during flashbacks to the incident, I get they were trying for something different but it doesn't work. Oh actually I like measure of a man, and I like the doctor's "trial" on voy so I guess I like one court room ep per show, can't think of one on Ent,

>>211406895
very correct. ds9 also competely ignores the fact that the dominion would not be thwarted by closing the wormhole. they have the resources to go the long way.

WHAT the actual FUCK are you bozos talking about now
Discuss something intelligent please, like what is the circumference of T'Pols boobbss

>>211407054
>sisko stopped all dominion reinforcements
consisting of ONE race operating ONE class of ship with ONE Vorta to tardwrangle them x 2800

if they assimilated the Breen and Cardassians so easily into the Dominion where the fuck are the races from the actual fucking Gamma quadrant helping out you fucking mental midget?

>>211407191
>can't think of one on Ent
Martok defends Archer by calling him stupid for trying to help people all the time

>>211407251
so they show up in 70+ years? while the feds can travel through at will? good work janeway, fucking idiot

>>211403208
That’s the dumbest thing ever
>y’know we could build a new ship
>nah, slap another nacelle on there and call it good. The captain is just fat Riker, fuck’em

Just heard the news about nutrek

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>211407271
they are helping out by providing the resources and building ships and infrastructure you fucking moron as was well established. The troops are jem hadar and vorta how do you not get this?

>>211407393
>they are in my headcanon

oh, okay

>>211404089
>he thinks it’s the men running the rape gangs
Nobody tell him

>>211407177
borg have transwarp. its no contest. only way the dominion would have a chance is if they somehow took out the entire collective before the war started.

>>211407315
first ep? guess that ones ok

>>211407421
no it is stated in the show many times, as I said you dismiss anything that doesn't fit into your retarded argument.

>>211407271
they used the breen and cardys as part of the armada because they were cut off, jfc how can you be this stupid?

>>211407453
No, not first ep you fucking retard. God you're stupid. Kill yourself.

>>211406043
Replace Putin with China and years with decades and maybe people won’t think you’re such a moron

>>211406805
>Look at that face. The face of a thinker. A warrior.

>>211407618
I haven't watched Ent in ages, calm down kid, what ep?

>>211407586
you are literally not even understanding my argument lmao

>>211407778
you don't have one you are just flailing about making wild unfounded statements like an idiot who never watched ds9.

>>211407732
judgment

>>211407684
That's true as well.

>>211407875
don't even remember it, I am planning on re-watching Ent after ds9 so I'll take your word for it.

>>211403108
All of those characters are a THOUSAND times less annoying than Kira.

>>211407586
if the federation wanted to they could go to aldea and use their deflector beam to send an armada to the heart of dominion territory in minutes.
it pretty silly to suggest that the dominion wouldnt be able to figure out a way around the wormhole considering they are portrayed as single minded lunatics committed to destroying any resistance at any cost. they just twiddled their thumbs back in delta. didnt use the blight doctors to cure changeling aids. didnt send a fleet the long way to destroy the federation in 50 years. just took the L.

>>211402205
they wanted to make a character the fans would see themselves in

>>211408059
jfc, I'm done talking to you now you are suggesting the dominion could just invent transwarp, fucking hell sorry m8 I'm done with you, you are just dumb.

>>211408012
kiras great you just don't remember how great ds9 is, as with all the characters they change and grow unlike Voy where they are reset every episode

Whenever a Starfleet officer enters a scene, all the aliens and renegade humans better fucking KNEEL and SALUTE and show some fucking RESPECT to the uniform!

>>211408129
they dont need transwarp. they are immortal. 50 years at tradtional warp is nothing. and theres a whole episode about the dominion doctors being better than bashir so the whole bit with odo giving them uncurable aids is ridiculous. theyre a billion years old. theyres nothing the feds could throw at them they havent already seen

>>211408260
kira season 1
>oh my prophets! i would do anything for sisko and the prophets because i have faith!
kira season 7
>oh my prophets! i would do anything for sisko and the prophets because i have faith!
much growth. wow.

>>211408425
you seem once again to be dismissing information you don't like, the war ended, Odo cured the Link and peace was made. I know this confuses and angers you.

>>211408509
her faith is not her entire character it is simply a part of it and it goes through all manner of changes just like the rest of her personality.

>>211408013
>Anon after his date with T'pol

>>211408129
Nta but why not just fortify the shit out of their side of the wormhole? Tachyon detection grids and antimatter mines, ezpz

>>211408511
i dont like that the war started because thats explicity not how the dominion operates. there would be no reinforcements for sisko to block in the wormhole because the first wave would have ended the federation immediately. since the dominion never flexes the muscle it supposedly has we can only draw one conclusion. they were full of shit and only controlled a small number of shitter civs. they never had any chance against the federation and all of the drama was for nothing.

remember how they said specifically that "Vorta doctors" were working on a cure? the little toady diplomat race that descended from baby monkies is the best they have to work on a cure for a disease that will genocide the Founders. there's not a single other race in the WHOOOOOOOLE Gamma quadrant full of THOUSANDS of races loyal to the Dominion that would be better for the task. almost like there's FUCKING NOTHING actually going in the Gamma quadrant. but hey just use your imagination

>>211408785
‘member when the Vorta had cool telepathic abilities? I ‘member.
I’m a lifelong fan but very little of it is well written or bears particular scrutiny. It’s space magic nigger, they ain’t got to be consistent for shit

>>211408707
see thats reasonable idea, you mean the dominion right? first there was never even a question after the first attempt that the alpha quadrant could ever attack the dominion on its home turf. However if they didn't make peace and the dominion was still aggressive then a constant one sided wave of attack without any ability to strike back would've led to the death of the dominion sooner or later, as worf once said a siege mentality will inevitably lead to defeat.

>>211408666
Checked and smelly Vulcan vagoo for everyone

>>211408666
Nobody has still answered my question I have been wondering for years.

Did Jolene have an IRL substance problem and was the show trying to tell us something?

>>211408743
or they thought they could send wave after wave into the alpha quadrant which is exactly what they were trying to do when sisko denied them use of the wormhole.

>>211408785
or they have been subjugated for thousands of years as is stated multiple times, crushing any chance of another race achieving anything of worth, any threat to the dominion is brought to heel, this is explained over and over, you are so fucking stupid.

>>211408968
Like I said the writing was never terribly good. If the dominion were the isolationists they claimed they should’ve easily been able to secure their side and murder anything that came through, but then we’d have missed out on the dominion war arc which was awesome. Don’t think too hard about it lest you lose enjoyment of it is all I’m saying

>>211408983
What would even make you think this? She's never had any reported substance abuse issues.

>>211409064
why wait? did they have limited resources in gamma?
whoops. you loose.

>>211408743
There were multiple deus-ex asspulls for why the Federation won the Dominion war and none of it had anything to do with the Federation military what are you smoking.

>>211409143
the war arc sucks though. star trek is about avoiding war.

>>211408970
It's definitely not smelly. Vulcan women have an acute sense of smell, T'pol would know if her pussy stank

>>211409143
securing their side isn't really a problem, it never was, but once the war was won in the alpha quadrant they are fucked as the entire alpha quadrant is pissed off and can send ships back and forth through the wormhole and all the dominion can do is try and weather it.

>>211409141
>crushing any chance of another race achieving anything of worth
but you said according to your fanfiction they were contributing resources and technology behind the scenes because the Dominion OBVIOUSLY has more to it than we see in the show, so which is it?

>>211408941
>Chanelings infiltrated the top echelons of Alpha quadrant powers
>Dominion super battleship which annihilated the Valiant
>Can create incurable super AIDS plagues just for laughs
>Clones with genetic memory that can out attrition any enemy that needs 18+ years to make replacements
I member

>>211409153
That is what I was asking. Because the actress looked cracked out in later seasons. Like the whole addiction arc seemed a little too believable. If you are saying there were no rumors back then then I'll take your word for it.

>>211409180
no pleas try and read what I wrote, they are sending their second fleet through the wormhole when sisko closes it, think about it, they send one advanced attack fleet through sisko stops the second one and all the others. Now come on think about it logically, what happens if sisko doesn't close the wormhole to the dominion? 3rd fleet? the 4th fleet? the 5th fleet? etc etc.

do you guys remember when the Breen nuked Starfleet Academy and just got away with it? lol

>>211409302
yes under the rule of the dominion they were subjects this isn't a fan thoery or head canon its explained by the show on multiple occasions, I see that you continue to ignore starship down, if any race gets it in their head to start out stripping the dominion they come down hard. How do you not get this? have you even watched ds9?

>>211409244
Yes and no. I like spaceships and lasers

>>211409277
I disagree fundamentally: they literally just put mines and many, many automated turrets to blast the aperture every time it opens. I’d have to imagine that the people on the alpha quadrant side would get the idea pretty quick that they shouldn’t send ships through. Besides, if all the dominion is doing is defending their side and alpha quad powers keep sending their ships to attack, that makes them the aggressors. That’s a big federation nono

>>211409361
answer my question. why give the federation a fair fight? why not send enough ships to destroy the federation the first time?

>>211409448
Yeah. DS9 got really dogshit in the last season, and not just because of the Pah'wraiths. It was set up with expectations it wouldn't deliver. I can't really think of an episode I enjoyed more than the one where Garak gets guilty again or the one with baseball.

>>211409474
>if any race gets it in their head to start out stripping the dominion they come down hard
I'm talking about all the races (out of thousands in the quadrant) that are compliant, productive and contributing members of the Dominion besides the ones the Founders directly control through genetic engineering and breeding. Or are you saying the Dominion has none of those?

>>211409356
Found an old forum post of people speculating this, but honestly I don't buy it. She was playing a character woth substance abuse issues. She's an actress. As far as her seeming cracked out in later seasons, this is just something I've straight up never noticed or picked up on at all.
https://filmboards.com/t/Jolene-Blalock/Twitching-2185463/

>>211409474
so why didnt the dominion come down hard on the federation when they started the war? why did they pussyfoot around with cardassia and inflitrating starfleet brass?

>>211409505
if as your retarded theory goes they are trying to develop transwarp tech to come back then no it isn't and you are discounting that by the end of the war all the major powers were in an alliance, not just the feds, they have some very very clever tech in the alpha quadrent, plus all the captured dominion tech. This is just a supposistion but imo their is simply no fukcing way the Dominion could withstand a full on attack by the alpha quadrant, they of course have the advantage of the wormhole but beyond that every major race has a stake in this, in total war scenario after the first dominion war Alpha Quadrant vs Dominion war. In My Opinion, the Dominion is FUCKED

>>211409572
they can only send so many ships at one time, you need to actually watch ds9 anon, thats why talking to you makes me feel like I'm talking to an infant, you don't know what you are trying to discuss.

>>211409658
what about them? why would you see them more? what we saw was an invasion that means jem hadar vorta and founders, why would they bring the peons?

>>211409738
I’m the other guy, tard, and I’m just saying the writing is full of logical inconsistencies, plot holes and general shenanigans. If you can’t enjoy it for what it is, sucks to be you

>>211409664
maybe watch the show and find out? they always are very careful to analyse and carefully plan they aren't klingons, they needed to know what kind of threat the alpha quadrant was before attacking, why are you you asking these super childish questions?

>>211409909
clearly I do and you do not, plus you are trying to find holes where their are none and ignoring the obvious ones that do exist. You idiot.

>>211409835
Vorta ARE peons they can do NOTHING except slob Founder knob. they are NOT useful in an invasion scenario of an entire quadrant and yet there they are instead of fucking any race that could bring any actual weapon of war, advanced technology to circumvent the wormhole or knowledge of science and medicine able to cure the Founder aids.

>>211409783
thats nonsense and you know it. the wormhole was open for months.
why is there a limit? how many at one time? how long does it take to reset?

>>211409978
so we go back to you being a retard who doesn't know what he's discussing, got it.

>>211409966
I’m saying you have to suspend your disbelief and not think about to hard. Changelings are magic sentient space goo that neither eat nor excrete ffs

>>211409915
you said the dominion doesnt fuck around like that. somebody steps out of line and they smack them down immediately. they dont care what kind of weapons or shields they have. just throw a billion jemhadar at them and thats the end of it.
except when it comes to the federation. needed to be careful with that one for no reason.

>>211409980
it takes time to put massive fleets together anon, its not like a strategy game or wait even in strategy games it takes time to put massive fleets together. I can't believe this is even a point of discussion. It seems like you are just grasping at w/e straw you can, it doesn't make for a satisfying discussion, it just feels like I'm explaining obvious facts to particularly slow children.

>>211410034
thats about right but i put it differently
ds9 sucks if you think about any of it even a little bit.

>>211409659
>"Maybe Jolene Blalock's drug taking was taking it's toll and was showing up on the show, so the writers dreamed up the drug taking sub-plot for her T'Pol character, since Jolene was taking drugs in *real* life!"

There seemed to have been quite a bit of fan speculation about it. Glad to know I wasn't the only one.

>>211410034
ok? and? you've kinda lost track of this entire discussion eh?

>>211410074
in their own quadrant you dumb child, you know the one they have rules for thousands of years, not the brand new one they know nothing about. Please stop asking stupid questions I feel like I'm talking to a alex kurtzman

>>211402935
Is Star Trek woke?

>>211410225
these questions are rhetorical.
the dominion is not like the federation. the dominion does not care about losing men and ships. they dont need to do recon they just need to set a billion jemhadar lose on alpha on day one, which is their alleged MO.

>>211410360
OldTrek is based, NuTrek is woke and broke.

Janeway mommy my mommy
Chakotay akoocheemoya them all
Tuvok the man
B’elanna best Trek waifu
Paris maybe they commit more crimes
Doctor the most sovlfvl hologram
Neelix the kids love him
Seven of mine
Kim the super ensign
Kes and she was a good friend
luv Voyager, simple as

>>211410360
mostly yes especially the new shit
the exception is women. until 2005 it was remarkably honest about women and how they are different from men.

>>211410448
Your questions are not rhetorical they are just stupid, you don't know what you are trying to argue so everything you post is simply retarded.

>>211410448
No-one said that's their mo, only you did, they don't attack blind with no idea what they are attacking, that's what the vorta are for, to discover what they are dealing with.

>>211410360
Star Trek is liberal not woke

>>211410148
The writers just gave up and went balls to the walls Jeff Combs, Pah wraiths, and cool spaceships with lasers. Nothing wrong with that
>>211410182
What that you’re a dipshit splitting hairs? Nah I figured that out with your first post

Giving lesbian man the keys to the alpha quadrant was a mistake

>>211406966
I never liked Court Martial because it always felt like a budget script. Shatner did a good job and all but it’s hard to recommend if you like Trek for aliens and space adventures.

>>211411326
Trial episodes are always to save money

>>211410562
>the exception is women. until 2005 it was remarkably honest about women and how they are different from men.
People always call Classic Trek dated with how it presented women. But it showed they have different strengths that complement men. NuTrek always has women who are morally infallible and always in top leadership positions.

>>211411326
problem is the resolution has nothing to do with the court proceedings. all that talk about books and legal history and human rights is for nothing. i think it could be fixed with a small change where kirk is convinced finney is alive but the computer says hes dead and starfleets hands are tied. then "a man has rights, a computer has none" can open the door to the heartbeat resolution

>>211411592
It could have also used a light hearted B plot to speed up the pacing. Something like Sulu and Scotty trying to fix an engineering issue away from all the legal drama.

>>211402164
Was Section 31 funding Shinzon the whole time?

Just Breen yourself

>>211411510
>always in top leadership positions.

There are plenty of women Captains in the U S. Navy which makes sense. What doesn't make sense in NuTrek is women in hand to hand combat punching and kicking dudes like that would have any effect at all. Classic Trek never had that.

>>211413868
>is women in hand to hand combat punching and kicking dudes like that would have any effect at all. Classic Trek never had that.
By Classic you must mean TOS and TNG, because every show since has had female characters beat the shit out of dudes in melees.

Ezri a cute

I wish the sound balancing on Berman trek was better, sometimes the music is too loud.

>>211416376
Only the show ending is way too loud for me

What is worse is that there is slight sound desync on Roku Paramount+ so the lips move just a little too late, it's super annoying. Wasn't a thing on Netflix.

>>211416236
My captain

>>211413868
If you’re such an expert would you like to serve under a woman captain in the US navy?

>>211416668
Only if she's insane and has no moral compass.

>>211416668
>wormhole aliens
You worship bugs. I worship The Picard. We are not the same.

>>211416811
>only if she’s a woman
So that’s a yes then
>>211416843
My child

>>211416843
>The Picard
>the greatest power in the universe
I see your point.

>>211416990
She's got the great Patricia Neal voice but man, her jaw is an anvil

>>211416668
NTA and not about to get into your retarded cat fight but I do want to remind everyone that the computers we all use to shitpost on this Bhutanese shuffleboard forum would not exist if it weren't for Rear Admiral Grace Hopper.

>>211417173
This can't be real

>>211417173
>a clothed female
Disgusting

>>211417173
What species is that?

>>211417173
I'd rear her admiral if you know what I mean.

>>211417173
>Eisenhower in a wig

Anyone else feel that many trek episodes could have easily been compressed to 20 minutes? I know we harp about nuTrek having a meandering plot - and that's true - but old trek would just have a lot of episodes where the individual scenes take much longer than they need to.

>>211416236
>tfw in the deepest darkest corners of your heart down to the core of your very soul you know you will always be the 2nd best trill.

>>211417667
Probably true but remember it was made for broadcast tv and it was required to fill out a certain amount of time in the schedule.

>>211417699
The best being Curzon Dax?

>>211417667
No.

>>211417757
Oh come on.
Time's Orphan didn't need to be 45 minutes long.

>>211417667
No. Maybe if you cut the b-stories but the b-stories are sometimes better than the a-story.

Sounds more like a zoomer ADHD problem. Trek is a writing and an acting show -- if you think there's too much writing and acting, that's a you thing for sure.

Oh hey it's that guy who commits 80% of the crimes on Voyager despite being in 1% of the episodes!

>>211416990
she looks like rikers minuet here

>>211416535
if the ending wasnt loud i would never wake up and go to bed

>>211418022
She does a little. I think it’s the 80s aesthetic

>they used Ruth's theme for fucking Chekov and his stupid Yeoman Bimbo sneaking off to make out after Kirk already told them once to knock it the fuck off

soiled it. also I hate Chekov.

>>211418069
I leave Trek on in the background at a low volume while I sleep, so I get subconscious messages from low volume Trek lines. I'll just hear a soft murmur of Dukat talking about fucking Kira's mom.

>>211418159
you know what's crazy about that episode is how he literally went off an honeymoon with his favorite sex slave for 2 whole weeks when he was supposed to be running the station like what in the actual fuck goes on? no wonder Cardies always lose

Aw yeah Malcolm is finally going to get it on! And it's a species that needs three to breed so the sex is perfectly safe!

>>211418016
also drives worf insane by dying slowly

>>211418614
>ENTposter
>coomposting
Every
single
day

>>211418016
He a good Christian boy he go to Church errrday

How the fuck did a "grazerite" become president of the Federation anyway? What kind of fucking nonsense is it that the president isn't a human? Leyton did nothing wrong.

>>211418860
If it's not a human it should at least be one of the founding races like Vulcan or Andorian. What the fuck even is a grazerite? Have we even seen them outside of the president?

>>211417739
>fuck all the ladies
>gallavant around the galaxy
>bitchslap Klingons
>drink everyone under the table
>mentor The Sisko
>dies with his belly full of wine and lips around his cock
It's not even close.

>>211418974
I've got to admit, an Andorian president would be very kino. She would've given the Founders something to complain about, that's for certain.

based cultural imperialist Trip Tucker the Third
America FUCK YEAH all rights are human rights!

>>211419104
Odo should have stayed like this it was kino.

>>211418860
He was president of earth, not the federation. Why would a human need to be president of earth, the Grazerite is an elected official bound by the laws of the federation, and as we saw he was much more reasonable than the insane admiral who wanted a military coup.

>>211419323
>"Odo, you're drinking the evidence."
>"See if I care, lol, lmao. Bashir, get in here, you limpwristed faggot!"
Yep. Kino.

>>211419302
>trip teaches the alien third gender to stop breeding and start finding itself
>entire race dies out and is never seen again in Star Trek
prophetic

>>211419373
>He was president of earth, not the federation.
Why post things that are wrong? Did you think we wouldn't notice?

>>211419573
Not my fault that the timeline shifted again, last time I watched DS9 he was president of earth.

>>211419104
the sisko mentorship doesnt make much sense in context of their careers. curzon was an elderly ambassador. sisko started out designing secret warships. they would never work together and if they did sisko wouldnt get the experience needed to have his own command at the start of the series.

>>211419492
unpersoning the 3rd genders was illogical. theres no reason they couldnt read and help make babies. trip was right, if archer was in his place he would have done exactly the same thing. archer was also right, trip doesnt get to make those decisions.

>>211418016
I really don't see how a third gender like that could naturally evolve, like 3% of the pop. might work when you have large groups but how the hell do hunter gatherer bands of 100-200 people manage with so few cogenitors.

>>211419762
>unpersoning the 3rd genders was illogical.
It's perfectly logical. Society, evolution, nature and culture all built a specific way of life that was optimal to their survival through the inexplicable logic of complex mathematics that goes into selection. But then a fucking SCV driver shows up and disrupts the whole thing beyond repair because he's got this idea that everyone is a person! Newsflash hotshot, even on Earth, not everyone is a person. Jannies for instance, will do it for free.

>>211417883
>No. Maybe if you cut the b-stories but the b-stories are sometimes better than the a-story.
Picrel is the undisputed king of the B plot mogging the A plot

>>211420188
ds9 worf fags btfo

>>211419663
>no, people can do only one important thing at any given time

>>211421648
Fuck Slagzia

>>211421678
I absolutely would.

>>211421648
It's really insane how much her worse that hairstyle makes her look. I know they did it to emphasize her spots but it looks so shit.

>>211422550
it really does not make much difference

>>211422585
You don't think she looks way better with anything but the "poofy on top ponytail" they made her wear for 6 years?

>>211422629
not WAY better, no

>>211422550
You need to have your eyes and especially your taste adjusted. Women with ponytails are hot.

>>211401884 (OP)
Sloan singing doo wop would be kino

>>211422821
I would normally agree but Jadzia's ponytail in DS9 is not a standard ponytail. Her hair is poofed up on the top instead of pulled tightly back. It looks like a fucking helmet or something.

I legitimately think it makes her look much worse. Much older and much more matronly. It adds like 10 years to her look.

>>211422894
It does, but it was the 90s. A whole lot of women had that kind of haircut, for some odd reason. In Jadzia's case: yep, it's frustrating.

>>211422902
Are you sure these are right? Wasn't Miri listed yesterday?

>>211422902
Stupid grups, I hate them all so much bros

>>211417883
This poster boldly goes

>>211422550
>that chiseled jaw
This is why I prefer yellowskins

in Datalore, why does Riker start going on about how much of a disappointment Soong ended up being? Are you fucking dense? Put 2 and 2 together, his legacy is your fucking second officer

>>211423246
I can’t remember

>>211419888
If there was only one or two per tribal group and they had to trade them around like property it’s consistent with their station in the Ent ep. It is a stupid and gay ep thobeit.

>>211422902
>boring
>kino
>comfy kino
>okay
>comfy kino

>>211423004
they occasionally get one wrong but todays listing is correct

>>211423287
DATA: It depicts something that feels familiar, sir. And dangerous. But I have no idea what it represents. And that is all. Except for an impression of this being a Doctor Soong's work area.
RIKER: Who? You don't mean Doctor Noonien Soong?
DATA: He was called that here, but his memories indicate he travelled here under a different name.
LAFORGE: Doctor Noonien Soong, my friend, happens to have been Earth's foremost robotics scientist.
TASHA: Until he tried to make Asimov's dream of a positronic brain come true.
RIKER: A positronic brain. He promised so much. And then when he failed completely, Doctor Soong disappeared. Now we know he went somewhere else to try a second time.

>>211423649
Ah good ol’ often wrong Soong. Imagine the sexbots

>>211423649
Retcon is a dish best served early

>emotional, passionate android is a God among men
>emotionless, rational android is a subservient, approval seeking, ass-licking pussy
What did they mean by this?

>>211424484
they meant you have the wrong priorities about what gives worth to a human life

>>211424754
He’s an android though? Think it through, it’s a weird message to send

>>211424816
>it's better to be a part of something bigger than yourself than to be a selfish warlord
>wow what a weird message!

>>211424936
Why would Soong, an exceptional, unconventional, and unique intellect, ascribe to a slave mentality. You wouldn’t get it

>>211425192
>says a person who is not getting something everyone else understands

>>211418614
>we have evolved beyond the need for peripheral vision

>>211425247
I get it, it’s just bad writing. Data is superior but takes an inferior position because humans think they’re hot shit. Soong obviously designed him to be a slave, not deserving of rights. It’s inconsistent

>>211425362
>I have so much in common with this character that other people have written that I understand his motivations better than his creators! I'm autistic!

t. you

>>211425401
You’re just dim. Lore was the better simulacrum of a human but he was too human and got uppity. Enter Data, neutered to perfection

>>211425641
>>211425641
>>211425641
new