Build Back Who Better edition

>>211410911 (OP)
Fitting that the man who brought back Doctor Who in 2005 is the same man to kill it stone dead in 2025.

SHEER
FUCKING
HUBRIS

Let
It
Die

>>211410911 (OP)
I know it's a cliché but the Baker/Hinchcliffe era really is the peak of the show

Moffat is the only modern who writer and showrunner to create a monster that's had an impact on general popculture.
Therefore Moffat > RTD & Chibbers

Don't say the A word.

>>211410911 (OP)
council vest

>>211411322
Ableism? How did RTD get away with such a problematic character?

dugga doo

>>211411289
It's cliche only becuase it's objectively accurate

>>211411322
>Don't say the A word
Antidisestablishmentarianism?

>>211411312
I feel that the Slitheen could still break through. They were the most popular baddie amongst kids for a while.

Perhaps if RTD does make the Paradise Towers sequel he has been threatening too it can be the Slitheen hunting down all the Kangs.

>>211412199
They can be reasonably threatening if they don't laugh at their own farts.

Not really sure there's a good story for them left, but I guess body snatching capitalists/mobsters is always a viable hook.

>>211411312
RTD created the Ood and they had an impact.

>>211412371
The Ood just kept showing up because they were enough of a blank slate that they could insert them in stories, and save money on new costumes.

>>211412199
The Slitheen are just bog standard body snatchers. there's not much interesting about them. They're also a little too silly for serious stories, in a way that Zygons or Rutans are not.

>>211411312
you do have a point, when I think of nu-who monsters that became iconic as the Daleks and Cybermen, I only think of the weeping angels and perhaps the silence,

>>211412550
They won't be silly if they stop farting, and maybe get made with better CGI. Their unique gimmick is that they are just greedy jerks, so you can give them weird for-profit plots.

>>211411312
weeping angel is a rip off SCP foundation creepypasta which was big at the time

You notice how all of RTD's villains are just "what if people I disliked were baddies"?
>what if New Labour MPs were baddies?
>what if online chuds were baddies?
>what if rich industrialists were baddies?
>what if vaguely nationalist people were baddies?
>what if people in wheelchairs were baddies?
What does he mean by this?

>>211412721
Why would he hate people in wheelchairs?

>>211411312
Yes. The only memorable new creature since 2005 is the weeping angels.

>>211412782
You tell me. He made at least two villains who were in wheelchairs.

>>211412490
They were still reasonably popular. That Doctor Who short written by children had the Ood show up. Aside from the Weepnig Angels, the Ood and the Judoon are the only Doctor Who aliens I would really say had staying power.

Did The Invasion really need to be eight parts

>>211412721
Sounds like you need to take meds.

>>211412797
That's before his bf became paralyzed.

>>211412903
Russel... I've rumbled you.
>>211412923
Why did he hate people in wheelchairs back then?

>>211412697
I thought blink was written first

>>211412782
He is mad he can't get handicap parking even though he's got AIDS
the crips in the wheelchair beat him

>>211412721
RTD villains from Series 1
>what if plastic was a baddy
>what if tranneis were baddies?
>what if new labour were baddies?
>what if a consortium of banks were baddies and controlling the narrative?
>what if skinwalkers were baddies?
>what if jews controlling the media and making the public dumb were baddies?
RTD is pretty based.

>>211413316
>>what if a consortium of banks were baddies and controlling the narrative?
>>what if jews controlling the media and making the public dumb were baddies?
The most based thing RTD has ever wrote.

>>211413376
easily the worst looking cyberman design with the first nu who redesign a close second

>>211413412
I have heard that 'Max' was named after Robert Maxwell.
I don't want to sound too tin-foil-hatty but it's kind of odd that the villains in the new show were a Right-wing podcaster & an Incel, almost as if he was told to keep it to the culture war.

>>211412697
Blink being written predates the /x/ post of 173

>>211408774
This adds nothing to the discussion.

>>211412647
>better CGI
Impossible task.

Breakdown of the imdb scores for each Doctor from reddit.
In terms of public perception the three worst runs from most bad to least are
>Whittaker
>Colin Baker
>Sylvester McCoy
Conversely the most excellent runs that Doctor Who from most to least is
>Tennant (14)
>Tennant (10)
>Smith
14 is that high because he only had three episodes, and it's the same with 8 having 50% as Night of the Doctor is being counted so the rightful third place is Eccleston.

>>211412697
Other way round, retard.

>>211413998
>14 had 3 bad episodes
>Somehow this becomes the highest rated run

What episodes do you guys recommend i watch from Ncuti's run?

>>211414098
Andies.

>>211414098
lux isn't doctor who but it's his best episode anywas

>>211414098
Andies are best.
Dont listen to this guy, he's a well known troll:>>211414200

Greenis!

>>211414098
Boom (It's amazing what Moffat can squeeze out of a man having to stand still)
Dot and Bubble (Is OK)
Joy to the World (Mostly for unintentional COVID scepticism)
The Well (Is good)
Interstellar Song Contest (To placate the Elders of Zion)
Wish World (To be disappointed at a wasted potential)

>>211414098
Boom, 73 Yards, Lux, The Well, and Lucky Day.

Slitheen hunting in Downing Street is a genuinely creepy Slitheen moment. The only one in fact.

>>211414098
Only episode that I've watched more than once
>Dot and Bubble
>The Well

>>211414098
Rogue and Lucky Day

>>211415276
>Rogue
Only if you like Bridgerton

>>211411322

>>211415436
and if you like kino too.

What does NPA mean?

>>211413995
CGI? What does that mean?

>>211415711
Explain why you like it

>>211415882
Rogue is hot asf.

>>211415925
He's mid at best

>>211415876
Cute green imbeciles

>>211415992
What about Conrad?

>>211416082
The most generic man to ever be generic

>>211416147
But surely Disney would only cast the most attractive people to star in their live action Little Mermaid remake?

rtd has shit taste in men. rogue is ugly, conrad is ugly, russell tovey is ugly and john barrowman is ugly.

Class > TWBTLAS

TWBTLAS wont feature the best Doctor.

>>211416329
Russell Tovey is the only ugly one and that's only because of his ears.

>Appears for only one episode
>Gives the best performance of the series by a mile
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves

>>211416282
There's a little mermaid remake?

The Lazarus Experiment is a metaphysical masterpiece.

>>211416493
When I saw this story I imagined that he was a different incarnation during the Time War and he regenerated into Jacobi to disguise himself.
so I'm glad BF didn't go with that to give him more time as the Master.

>>211416493
The female Yana. She never even got a chance to be the main villain.

>>211416493
Also John Hurt.

>>211416698
I didn't watch any of Zesty past this episode. Was she explained? Was she Susan?

>>211416918
True

>>211417061
she's the Rani

>>211417095
Why could she talk to the audience?

>>211417095
Oh right I saw they were bringing her back. Seems like a fumble. Bringing back The Master was obvious 20 years ago but The Rani? If the new RTD + Disney era is meant to be a whole new coat of paint for a new audience then why the fucking Rani of all characters?

>>211417061
She was secretly the Rani. No explanation for why her name was Flood or the fourth wall breaks.

>>211416918
John Hurt's performance sucked.

>>211417171
It's a bit of an open secret that Mrs Flood was originally supposed to be Susan Twist but they had to rewrite it.

>>211417140
because Russell is a hack

>>211417156
people have been asking for the character's return ever since the revival began, she's very popular.

and it's really not a new era at all. that was just some bullshit Russell made up so Disney could have "season 1" of Doctor Who and their subscribers who have presumably never seen the show would be more inclined to watch it. it's a straight continuation of the Chibs era and Russell also keeps masturbating with the scripts by constantly referring to past episodes he worked on. and also apparently every villain each season is going to be a classic Who villain turned into a big dumb CGI monster. so it's actually a horrible place for a new fan to start.

>>211417334
Are they actually bringing Omega back or is that just rumors?
Should I bother watching it or should I keep pestering /tv/ with questions? I only watched the specials from Chibbs era, not the actual series.

>>211417393
Omega returned as a CGI crab.

>>211417446
Giant skeleton.

>>211417393
there's nothing worth watching after Capaldi

>>211417697
*eccleston

>>211417697
How bout listening?

How would the Doctor react to the latest Israel shenanigans?

>>211417393
Omega has less than 5 minutes screentime and he is a CGI monster that gets defeated with a sci-fi gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74u5p10L7FM

>>211418068
>that gets defeated with a sci-fi gun.
which is also funny because Russell defended 15's sonic screwdriver looking like an anal plug because he said the last ones "looked too much like a gun"

I am Omega and I must feed.

>>211418210
>and seed (formerly chuck's)

>>211418068
Jesus Christ that's awful
Also Zesty really fails to deliver exposition with any weight or drama. He sounds like an amateur in a stage play.

dugga doo

>>211417697
There are some kino episodes in R2D.

>>211417768
Series 10 > Series 1

>>211419359
Correct.

>>211417156
Ncuti was shown Time and the Rani to explain who Mel is supposed to be and he asked RTD to write an episode where The Rani comes back because he liked her.

>>211419601
He wanted the Beast back too but they gave him Sutekh.

>>211414305
>It's amazing what Moffat can squeeze out of a man having to stand still
t. RTD

>>211416698
Now she's the only Rani again they can do Big Finish with her like Jacobi.

>>211414098
Andies.

>>211415568
*eternal

>>211417140
Time Lords have senses beyond human comprehension. This includes the ability to realise other beings (the audience) are observing.

>>211418451
Honestly I think he's quite good in that scene, there's just so little to work with. He's charismatic in interviews even, a shame he's got so little in the actual episodes.

So there’s a rumor that apparently this was the original plans for series 2:


>Ruby was supposed to be Desiderium the Wish Baby and the woman in the clock was the Rani dropping her off at the church and was waiting as Mrs Flood as she hired the Goblins to attract the Doctor to Ruby

Belinda wasn’t supposed to be in season 2 at all
>Between the Christmas special and Robot Revolution it was Ruby who dated Alan Bud instead of Conrad and dumped him for being controlling
when the time fracture happens he gets returned to Earth and he is the one starts Think Tank and he becomes dictator in the alternate reality

>Ruby and the Doctor are married in Wish World and poppy is their daughter as Ruby had wished to be her parent in Space Babies

>The Reality War and Omega mess is the same except it’s Alan instead of Conrad and at end to fix reality Ruby uses her wish power to go back and put her self at the chuch by going back through her timeline becoming the woman in 73 Yards

>In the end she’s says goodbye to the Doctor as she adopts Poppy a foundling without parents just like her

That all makes much more sense and is 1000% better

>>211420103
Moffet wrote him good. RTD just wanted him to stand there and look hot.

>>211420229

>>211420135
Any gossip on what Millie Gibson did to get written out of series 2 all I heard was “diva on set”

>>211418068
The Greek mythology angle is a strangely decent one. I'm conflicted about him being taken care of so easily. It's a little anti-climatic but at the same time the Doctor just being able to force him back in and not have to defeat him with the power of prayer or something is refreshing for RTD.

>>211410911 (OP)
what a fat fuck

>>211420619
Didn't like night shoots. I believe in one of the BF Podcasts it was also said that she was unsatisfied with her character.

>>211420741
>It's a little anti-climatic but at the same time the Doctor just being able to force him back in and not have to defeat him with the power of prayer or something is refreshing for RTD.
That just makes it better relative to what RTD would usually do as opposed to being a good way to handle Omega outside of that.

>>211420135
>No Conrad
Shit.

>>211420793
Is he as fat as Colin?

>>211414098
Pyramids of Mars, since RTD decided to watse time watching a far better classic episode in his Empire of death

>>211420619
From what I have read it was about the shooting hours. She was a soap actress before so I imagine that must be straight-forward as opposed to irregular hours and standing around that something like Doctor Who, and especially what Doctor Who now, is like.

>>211420741
>called a Titan
>'imprisoned' former ruler
>says 'God of Time' like Chronus
>east the Rani like Cronus (the other one)

I thought I was the only one who noticed, but it's an idea that isn't focused upon.
I guessed it would been more true to mythology if omega was tricked into eating something to defeat him.

>>211420619
Ncuti just didn't like her. Gay men can be cruel as fuck to women.

>>211421011
For all that people say how difficult it was for the performers back then, Millie Gibson would probably have a more easier time with the First and Second Doctor era filming.

>>211421065
They can be better with females than straight males can sometimes.

>>211418068
>under-verse
I wonder why RTD didn't make use of the Land of Fiction, or perhaps the Void (from Doomsday) but he probably forgot the latter existed.

>>211420889
The sticking point for me is that it's Omega that was brought back for all of five minutes. Would I really have a problem if it was actually some ancient god newly introduced in the season versus a character from classic?

>>211421335
Then you wouldn't get the easily-forged build up at the end of part one, leading to crushing bitter disappointment. Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

DIE, DOCTOR

Why does Rusty keep showing clips from Classic in his run? It only serves how ridiculously different and worse the characterization and writing is now.

>>211421466
reminder that the 5th doctor's final words were "Adric?"

>>211421335
People have a problem with it being Omega for all the reasons you already know, but I would say if it was some original character it, although not causing the same reaction, would still have left people baffled and criticising of it. You say about it being newly introduced, well unless there is an entire season rework then it basically is just that same single scene just with a few lines of dialogue changed - no build-up and anti-climatic.

>>211421522
No they weren't. I like to think the Master was saying that. The Fifth Doctor's final word was actually Andies?

They're calling it the hot new meme, that's sweeping the nation by storm. Andies. Children up and down the country are saying it; cool kids; depressed emos; sharkboys, lavagirls, everyone, everywhere. Boys called Andy get special compensation. Say "Andies" and get 10% off the latest chip batch.

This has been /who/ reporter Andy, signing out!

>>211421504
to give the audience a refresher, keep in mind that 90% of the people viewing probably hasn't even seen an episode of classic who in full.
It's strange in contrast to his first run were he often not reference classic who, even when there were opportunities, such as Love and Monsters & Rose (I am also aware that he ''corrected'' that in a book)

>>211421522
keep in mind while we may laugh at Adric's death in universe the reality is that doctor got a kid killed. That would stick with a man.
I do like Turlough's reason better ''Too many enemies would delight in your Death''

>>211421725
Adric's death wasn't funny it was shocking.

>>211421725
"corrected". He made it more explicit since it's a book and the casuals are less likely to read it, + no need to hide the past so much anymore (clearly). RTD said he regrets not having more old monsters in his first go, before he came back.

>>211421791
How many more RTD seasons until he has the Doctor go back and save Adric?

Do Alpha, Beta, and Omega daleks come back? I liked those little dudes, it'd be a shame if they really did die/blow up.

>>211421791
true, I thought you were joking. btw while Adric was never my favorite companion I never hated him.
>>211421810
I do understand what the thinking was behind his first run. He didn't want to repel the casual audience with 'nerdy' lore and I think he was right to do so, at least for the first series.

>>211421894
Mentioned in The Giggle. At best (read: worst) he'll invent a parallel universe where Adric survived, he was pretty close in the Tales in the TARDIS stuff, making everything oh so lovely and everything's fine the whole time.

>>211421908
https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Children_of_the_Revolution_(comic_story)

MISTER FARINA

>>211421999
non-retard link
https://tardis.wiki/wiki/Children_of_the_Revolution_(comic_story)

>>211421725
I think RTD made the right call in 2005 actually. Overwhelming people with references to the old show would've just alienated new viewers. He put everybody on a level playing ground by introducing the Time War and the way he reintroduced old villains was great (Cybermen could've been improved but they were better than their 80s selves at least).

The reveal of the Master in Utopia shows how well it was handled. Old viewers would've guessed this was the Master after making the connection, but new viewers still had enough to keep them hooked other than just 'hey it's the guy from the 70s and 80s!'. You're left thinking 'huh, there's another Time Lord? Wait why isn't the Doctor happy about it?' The suspense is great.
https://youtu.be/FI_RB2URZPY

It's probably the Moffat era were the returning villains fall flat, by this point there much more leeway to introduce them and instead they're occasionally reused for cheap gags. Except the Master, and even then he changed him to a woman (I do like Missy though, even if it's woke).

>>211422156
>>211421999
I don't use the wiki. Why is there two?

>>211422156
You are a retard.

>>211421999
>>211422156
It's cool they survived and made a colony, good for them. Sucks it's stuck in the comics, though. I haven't even touched any of the who media outside of classic, which I'm working through now.

>>211422179
Andies had something to do with it.

>>211422179
because fandom is cancer and the only reason the tardis fandom wiki is still up is because the merchants that run it refuse to close it even though it's dead

>>211422328
It's not dead.. Far from it.

>>211422175
Moffat made the scariest cybermen episode and the show was always woke.

>>211422370
Didn't;wasn't.
-because-
Tomb;arabs.

>>211422370
Yeah I do love World Enough and Time. But that was a last hurrah. He had 7 years, he ought to given us more of that and less of shit like Closing Time and Nightmare in Silver.

>>211422440
Closing Time > Heaven Sent (honest)

>>211422175
I did say in another post it was a good thing, it's just strange that RTD pulled a 180 on his perspective.
The trio of enemies (Daleks, Cybermen & the Master) were also already iconic with the public so the groundwork was already there.
Whereas villains such as the Rani & Omega weren't so they didn't work as well, I do think they could've been done correctly. It's just that they don't work as reveals, they needed to be reestablished.

What is it about Doctor Who that attracts autists?

>>211422505
The amount of it.

>>211422369
>no admins
>10k less articles than the independent wiki
>most of the newer articles are clearly written by ESL
you sure?

>>211422540
So none cared until 197X at least?

>>211422440
>Closing Time and Nightmare in Silver.
Kino, better than Army of Ghosts and Doomsday

>>211422561
>most of the newer articles are clearly written by ESL
example? no I don't care to go and read any myself

>>211422570
Autists only got patched into reality in 1978.

>>211422670
Source? Andies has been around longer than that.

>>211422175
>You're left thinking 'huh, there's another Time Lord? Wait why isn't the Doctor happy about it?' The suspense is great.
that was exactly my reaction because i was a nuwho babby and hadn't spoiled myself on every detail of classic by reading wikis. (then again was the TARDIS wiki even a thing in 2011/2012?)

>>211422500
You make a good point, there is a world of a difference between the Daleks, Cybermen, Master and then the Rani and Omega. Even the Sontarans are relatively well known but I never thought the Rani ranked particularly high on the tier list. It's weird why RTD brought them back. Same with Sutekh who was a great villain but he was a one off.

I've found it curious how the Zygons are seen as a classic villain despite only being in one Classic serial. I know it's a good one, but still. You may as well bring back the Tereleptils.

>>211422831
>tfw the first Who I ever saw was Curse of Fatal Death
>tfw Jacobi was great
>tfw Simm was complete shit

>>211422831
Same for me, I've since got into Classic but the time I had no background. It's amazing how well RTD could write at times (and equally amazing how shit he could write, as the rest of that series finale shows us)

>>211422922
Simm hammed it up way too much. I get his thing was that he was the evil mirror to Tennant, but it just kind of shows that maybe Tennant isn't that great. He was better when he returned in World Enough and Time. Still a little zany but it was toned down just a bit.

Comparing him to Jacobi almost isn't fair since Jacobi is a classically trained Shakespeare actor who's been in tons of actually good stuff.

>>211422847
>I've found it curious how the Zygons are seen as a classic villain despite only being in one Classic serial. I know it's a good one, but still. You may as well bring back the Tereleptils.
I would say that is more the Zygons were recognised by people that were familiar/fans of Classic. Same with how Toymaker, Omega, and Sutekh were known by the fanbase, but not something your random Brit on the street could name or would maybe have heard of in the same way the Daleks. I also read something as well about how in the first half of the 1970s the likes of Radio Times were very much advertising and promoting monsters. A big deal would be made about the Ice Warriors, the Silurians etc.

>>211422922
Simm is the best Master.

>>211412550
Slitheen have some potential. For starters Slitheen was just the surname of one criminal family from a relatively unexplored race. They didn’t want simply “world domination” but instead we’re instead out to make money which a fun angle with lots of possible plots. They also had the whole “hunter race” side of things which made them a credible physical threat. The whole “unzipping forehead” thing is also visually memorable and easily mimicked.

>>211422500
The main thing is in practice the groundwork for all three is irrelevant when it comes to how they are reintroduced. What groundwork is there is to drum up hype in the media and those familiar with Classic. Less iconic than those 3 and you can say what you want about the quality of the episode, but even the Sontaran reintroduction in Nu introduces them as if they are being presented to the audience for the first time.

>>211423300
you are right desu. The Daleks, Cybermen and the Master were well known but they were introduced as new villains.

>>211423047
Early 70s is the one of the most popular eras of the show with the highest viewership and strong stories and villains so it makes sense.

Though one wonders why the Daemons or Metebelis 3 haven't shown up since then.

>>211423576
>Metebelis 3
actually it did with 11, he used the crystal for enhance psychic powers. IIRC it was 'Hide'
easy to miss.

>>211423132
They were explored more in SJA where they introduced the Blathereen.

>>211422831
>(then again was the TARDIS wiki even a thing in 2011/2012?)
TARDIS wiki has been a thing since like 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJvEWDUJ9A

>No not the mind probe
he said calmly

>>211424008
>The guy in the comments jacking off to them farting to death
Why did kids latch onto the Slitheen?

>>211422156
>>211421999
There was a fanmade CGI animation of this available online and if you wanted to watch it, you had to order the DVD. I'm not sure if they'd still send you one.
https://altered-vistas.co.uk/html/children_of_the_revolution.html

>>211423676
Oh yeah. But that fits with the theme of the Moffat reusing this stuff for cheap gags or throwaway references, rather than honestly making use of them for stories.

>>211423576
>Though one wonders why the Daemons or Metebelis 3 haven't shown up since then.
I am not sure if this is being earnest or a joke, but the perception would be they are a bit naff even by the standards of Doctor Who.

>>211423576
I am surprised the Rutans never showed up in Nu. And yes, I know they appear in some game but that is not the same thing as them appearing in the show.

>>211424564
I think the issue is that they don't really work as portrayed in Horroi of Fang Rock. Although a better writer than me could do something interesting with it. A shapeshifting ball of slime is responsible for an endless war against the Sontarans? Maybe the Sontarans are just incompetent.

>>211423106
Delgado by far. Simm is on the same bottom tier as the Pajeet

>>211421977
I think they did this in a Big Finish story

>>211425003
I am not saying this is a good idea but, maybe do something like Alien, or The Thing, or a cross-between Alien and The Thing with them. Play up them being being this shapeshifting monster that is going to electrocute you, doing the paranoia and monster horror found in that.

>>211417171
Rani -> Rain -> Flood

>>211425109
I also like Peter Pratt

>>211425109
Dreyfus and Gatiss are pretty good.

https://tiermaker.com/create/doctor-who-the-master-17735815

>>211426131
>big finish sloppa
mark gaypiss is shit

>>211426401

>>211426461
was beevers meant to be the pratt version? he was clearly different

>>211412268
>Not really sure there's a good story for them left, but I guess body snatching capitalists/mobsters is always a viable hook.

Gang war between the Raxacoricofallapatorius families in 1980s Hong Kong over control of the banks there? Mainly because they could have the Kowloon walled city as a hunting ground for them which would be cool and they would be the lesser of two evils compared to the Blathereen.

>>211426557
they filmed here in Gridlock

>>211426557
>Blathereen
>The Blathereen were a family of Raxacoricofallapatorians. They were descendants of the Plom family and the Huspick Degenerate. They were in competition with their cousins the Slitheen family and had gained an advantage by 2500.
what the fuck

>>211411322
anime?

>>211426498
They are supposed to be the same - even if they come across different. The final shot of him in The Deadly Assassin implies he is restored, or at the very least more healthy than what he was. Apparently for The Keeper of Traken they were using the Target novelisation of The Deadly Assassin for reference guide and the novelisation does not actually include the aforementioned scene. Hence they were working with the idea he was in the same condition as in Deadly Assassin. Now none of the explains the makeup or personality but, I imagine they just went fuck it no one will remember nor can they check.

https://youtu.be/sPiN0GniKNo?si=NEd5xk07XkHH46KZ

For me it is The Master in Destiny of the Doctors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2LkspJTxU

>>211426968
>The final shot of him in The Deadly Assassin implies he is restored, or at the very least more healthy than what he was
he was simply a shade of orange
that specific frame and indeed the rest of the times he was on screen used to give me waking nightmares when i was a kid and found pictures of him

Ainley is too camp.

>>211427161
and the rest of them aren't?

>>211427216
Yes, Ainley is one of the worst Masters.

>>211427161
He's pretty good when he's allowed to be serious and threatening occasionally

>>211427296
he was the master for 8 whole years

>>211427161
I like early Ainley. As the show goes on he is bad, but with something like The Mark of the Rani that is down to the writing (and general production) that I can't really blame him.

>>211422328
Qrd on fandom?

>>211422570
I think it was a normal show until JNT took over. After that only autists watched it

>>211427554
NTA but it's a classic case of eshittification.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcfuA_UAz3I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlALvZqT9kM

>>211427676
>annoying voice timbre

What is this thread, an intervention?

Daleks with unique personalities are fucking kino as hell
>Sec
>Caan

>>211428472
i've enjoyed the depictions of them in the 8th Doctor novels i've read so far. there's one where he's kind of between this civil dispute between Davros and the Dalek Empire, so you get a smidge of like Dalek palace intrigue near the end of the novel which is really interesting.

>>211421810
>RTD said he regrets not having more old monsters in his first go
Imagine digging through the rejects drawer in your second and not bringing in any of the staples

>>211421810
>RTD said he regrets not having more old monsters in his first go, before he came back.
Autons, Daleks, Davros, Cybermen, The Master, Sontarans, even the Macra appearing - that is a fair number. Of the other obvious ones of some notability that could relatively easily be brought back (Silurians, Zygons, Ice Warriors) all of which happened under his successor. A lot of the other notable villains from Classic were things that just worked as one-offs (Sutekh), had a bunch of lore around them (Black Guardian Omega, The Great Intelligence) that it is easier said then done to adequately explained, were at best C-tier (The Rani), or were Glup Shittos. And depending on who you ask anything outside of the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master may as well be Glup Shittos.

>>211420229
>look hot

>>211424380
Reminded me about the Movellans cameoing
https://youtu.be/TxmDE0AY_Yc?t=72

>>211430467
>Using the bronze Dalek and the not grey-Dalek from Destiny
I can accept for production reasons.
>Writing the Movellans panicking and screaming
Makes me think that the people working on Nu have not actually watched Classic.

>>211430637
>Makes me think that the people working on Nu have not actually watched Classic.
Most of them haven't and the few who did haven't watched it since it originally aired.

>>211430431
Did he really say that?

Things were good once.

>>211431407
Yeah, it's from a special he did a few years back for the 60th called The Doctor and Me

>>211433853
Where?

>>211433951
A quarry in the middle of nowhere.

>>211433951
America!

I watched the Pandorica Opens again tonight and it was alright. I remembered disliking it more but it's nowhere near Tinkerbell Tennant. I'll watch part 2 tomorrow and maybe that'll ruin it for me which it probably will

>>211425003
>A shapeshifting ball of slime is responsible for an endless war against the Sontarans?
I actually remember thinking that was one of the coolest things about them when I saw Horror of Fang Rock. It's a total contrast to how the Sontarans work and makes sense that they'd both hate each other's guts and struggle to defeat one another. It's guerillas vs organised warfare with absolutely no common ground.

>A Brief Critique of Series 1
>11 fucking hours
Why are they like this?

I miss Dan Lewis

>>211428472
I miss Omega, Alpha and Beta.

can someone post a good /classic-who/ clip, I've only seen nu-who stuff
I'm interested in seeing how different it is

>>211439058
it's gothic kino

>>211439058
https://youtu.be/crokOMvOYwI?t=2586

>>211414098
they're all horrible

>>211439058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o7lbnZOgaE

>>211414098
73 Yards
>best Ncuti episode is the one he's barely in

>>211431771
I just pretend Day of the Doctor was the last episode and they made no more after that.

>>211439347
i always thought 12's run was going to lead up to his POV of Day of the Doctor to explain how/why he got involved in it

>Only the white straight male Doctors came to defend Gallifrey
What did Moffat mean by this?

>>211439058

>>211439637
Morbius Doctors were gay?

>>211439811
they looked pretty zesty

NO SIR
ALL INFINITY

>>211439973
Why does he look like a chud?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mcoaecRzJ8
This used to be a proper country

>>211439973
The only Canon Doctor

>>211421725
keep in mind that 90% of the people viewing probably hasn't even seen an episode of classic who in full.

Not so in the UK where you can get (almost) all of the classic who on iPlayer. They also did the tales of the TARDIS series where some of the best classic episodes were cut together and top and tailed with a clip of the Doctor and/or a companion reminiscing over their adventure in the "memory TARDIS" that featured in the episode 8 of Series 1 Volume 3. In the commentary for Boom! RTD and the Moff talk about how the fact the episodes are all there and cleaned up gives them the opportunity to refer back to Volume 1 more, as people can, and will, go back to watch the classic episode after the new one if they haven't yet or need a refresher. Archive clips and exposition in the new episode are mainly there for very young children, who might not have seen the entirety of the classic series yet and Americans.

>>211414098
none

>>211426638
Kowloon inspired Gridlock (and a few other sets) but Kowloon had long been demolished by then for being a den of iniquity and organized (and disorganized, too) crime. It was the sort of place people went into and never came out of, especially if you worked in law enforcement or were a remotely attractive female.

It is an absolute mind fuck that this place was allowed to exist in the first place in what was at the time a British coloney and the hub of international finance. Whenever you see a distopian cyberpunk, or somewhat grotty vision of urban future in sci-fi its always based on Kowloon, even if the person making it is just basing it off other films.

>>211411289
All of the cast in Planet of Evil are excellent, obviously it's peak Tom and Liz but the actor who plays the antimatter werewolf guy really gives it his all as well. Even when the episode dissolves into convoluted nonsense, it's the conviction of everybody involved that elevates the material. The same is true of Brain of Morbius.

>>211412550
>Rutans
>Big green blobs of goo who slowly slime their way up stairs
Aaaaahhhhh!!
This post was fact-checked by true Sontaran patriots

>>211412721
They are all baddies. Except maybe some people in wheelchairs are cool, I don't know any personally

>>211412876
I would rather The Invasion got extra parts than pretty much any story. The slow buildup really pays off in that "if this what you wanted, to be the ruler of a dead world?!" cliffhanger

>>211427161
sometimes but it was a problem with the writing, in a story like survival when he got to act more menacing he's much better.
Ainley also loved the role and put his heart and soul into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJHfpORY31Q&ab_channel=n9ne2006
01:00

>>211412550
Slitheen have a more compelling angle to them than the Zygon and Rutans, with the for profit mobster angle, and their method of disguise comes with having to kill their new body instead of just mimicking them. Plus, you could probably make a half decent episode or two not even relying on the Slitheen being able to take people's form which is flexibility that's nice for a monster to have. Like given how they're good hunters you could do an episode where a bunch of rich ones do their equivalent of fox hunting.

>>211442936
Remember as well that the Slitheen themselves can be quite distinctuve characters in their own right. Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen showed this off in Boom Town, especially as she spared that woman because she was pregnant and Blon had just lost her family. The individual personalities of the Slitheen contrast to other "group" enemies like the cybermen or Daleks in that they are capable of doing their own thing rather than just following the heard, like how Sip Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen goes after Jackie Tyler in his own hunt.

>>211414098
There are a couple good episodes in the first series but the second is nearly all shite.

>Space Babies
Intros to Ruby, it isn't great but it is oddly overhated.

>Boom
Only contains a little bit of shit Moffat writing.

>Rogue
I'm not homophobic so the episode doesn't bother me. Probably the best episode of the series.

>The Well
A much shitter version of Midnight but it had some fun ideas at least.

There are other episodes people recommend here but they are duds. They have good build up but the end reveal is a complete shitshow that ruins the episode.

>73 Yards - It isn't clever. There is no ending because they couldn't think of one.
>Dot and Bubble The planet of racists! It ties into nothing in the episode and feels completely arbitrary.
>Joy to the World The message is you should kill yourself. No, that literally is the message.

I was thinking about the new DW kid's show and I've come to think that a children's spin-off of DW is pointless because it's not like Children don't watch the regular show.
So SJA's was 'pointless' as well but I enjoyed that show so I'm not going to complain. It also provided us with a brigadier appearance which the main show didn't, I know it was because of health issues with N. Courtney.
although another aspect is the animation, it means they'll be able to do things they couldn't do in live action.

Greenis!

>>211443347
Also they fart. Haha funny farts. So funny. LOL. Farts. Haha farts are funny. It make sound. Sound is funny. LOL.

Never properly watched SJA, but I watched a clip (because I was curious about 11th doctor appearing in it) and these villains which are just silly costumes, not only have more "soul" than anything in RTD2 era DW, they actually seem more threatening than any of the villains.

>>211414098
Andies.

>>211443745
>he was too low IQ to understand the juxtaposition between fart humour and monsters that skin you alive
It was Lynchian and heightened the fear factor

>>211443756
>silly costumes
Giant talking birds, pretty intimidating actually.

>>211443764

>>211443777
Yeah like the skeksi, and I just remembered these guys as well from S1

>>211443745
Farts are genuinely funny, and something that jokes as it is trying to kill is far, far more sinister than some serious all the time edgelord just killing.

Look at Pennywise in "It" for another good example, or John Wayne Gacey in real life. Between them they have ruined clowns so now they are more likely to be a horrific monster than just a funny guy in make up doing physical comedy.

>>211443839
Wow I love that design. Kind of a shame it was relegated to just a background easily-missable appearance. Those metallic guys as well.

>>211443872
>Farts are genuinely funny
Another underage fag.

>>211443921
I am 45. I expect you are in that period of your life when you reject everything you liked as a child, because you think it will make you seem like a mature adult. Most people go through that period and it lasts a year or so when they're 14 or something, you'll look back at it and cringe some-day. For some it lasts longer, then you have problems. My advice to you is you can act sensible in public if you want but the longer you spend your life denying yourself fun things like fart jokes, is the longer you spend wasting your life. Life is best when you are just happy, lord knows you'll have plenty of sad shit to come because thats how life is, so just enjoy fun things when you can.

oh greenis i just got it! haha. Mad props!

>>211444050
>claims to be 45
>indite a moral less on not wasting life here
Your ability to not spot blatant contradictions is strangely heartwarming.

>>211414098
Andies.

>>211444050
Make your trip "The Man Who Sorted His Life Out" so we know to take your words with extra gravitas.

>>211444092
I am chilling with my family and posting this on my phone while we watch Battlefield. I have seen it many times so don't need to pay loads of attention, but my kids are loving it. Later my wife and I will take them to our local museum for the afternoon. My life is wholesome, nice and certainly not wasted. Enjoy the good times when they present themselves.

BATTLE OF THE CENTURY
https://strawpoll.com/XmZRQBELmgd
VOTE NOW
VOTE NOW
VOTE NOW

>>211444219
Which version? I would never text and watch at the same time, it's impossible really. Getting too satisfied at your accomplishments seems a little mistaken.

fact is, doctor who has never been good.

>>211444251
Whichever one is on the iplayer, we've used that to watch through the classic series in order so far, and will be starting on the NuWho after that.

So far Baker (Colin, not Tom, surprisingly) has been their favourite Doctor.

>>211444349
I liked him as a child but was in a household where it was basically a religious order that one must believe the Sixth Doctor is the worst ever so gradually changed my mind.

let it die

regenerate?

>>211443756
It manages to somehow be more consistently good then RTD1 and NuWho as a whole

>>211444832
RTD1 wrote it.

let it die.

/who/ has never been better. We're living the golden age right now. Like if you agree!

>space babies
monster is so scary that even the doctor is scared!
>devils chord
villain is so powerful that even the doctor is scared!
>boom
minefield is so precarious that the doctor can't do anything!
>73 yards
force is so powerful that the doctor disappeared!
>dot and bubble
racism is so powerful that even the doctor can't save them!
>rogue
bounty hunter is so homolust provoking that even the doctor's plan fails!
>legend of ruby/empire of death
villain is so powerful that only the magic rope can stop him!

>>211445017
A lot of people have been giving the nod to the Andies. Highly recommend!

>>211445046
Agreed. Andies.

>>211443702
>although another aspect is the animation, it means they'll be able to do things they couldn't do in live action.
It's a preschool show, bro.

>>211445078
Is that a Greenis?

>>211445094
So is MLP.

#milliondick

fucks sake. stop writing. dead thread, dead general, dead show.
for the last time:

LET

IT

DIE

>>211439683
Reminder that they were planning to have the Doctor's son show up and he would've been played by Hartnell. Peter Davison also played the Doctor's son in an audio, which makes you think.

>>211443756
SJA is decent, it's worth the watch if you can handle the slightly kiddier tone in most of the episodes.

>>211445184
SJA > DW > TW >>> C

>>211445114
Yes. Quit watching cartoons for toddlers, bro. It's weird.

>>211445197
Opinion: Discarded.

>>211445193
Torchwood is better than Sarah Jane Adventures. SJA is more consistent, but Torchwood has better episodes even just constraining it to the first two series.

>>211445245
Nah.

>>211443756
The Trickster was good. Overused, but decent concept.

>>211445259
Correct.

>>211439637
> ALL 13.

Moff confirming that Capaldi was the last Doctor.

>>211445300
Incorrect.

So i've seen a lot of people here saying the andies are good, i'll watch them then.

>>211445254
I liked the Trickster episodes in SJA, but stuff like Small Worlds, Random Shoes, Adrift and Adam were really good.

>>211445347
Random Shoes was boring.
Adam was a Buffy ripoff.
Adrift is rather good if a bit decidedly dark, too much so maybe.
Small Worlds people say is good, I don't really remember.

Andies.

Pikmin > Doctor Who

Andies

Andies?

Andies!

Andies.

>>211444938
I am aware of the writers anon, its still more consistent then his main era nevermind VNA level dark Mature Adult Torchwood

Series 9 is pigshit.

>>211445492
One episode is more consistent than 4 years' worth of Doctor Who. Or do you mean SJA in general is? That's because it's more limited for the audience, budget and storylines. Like I said, SJA > DW.

Andies DIES TONIGHT
GREENIS FOREVER
GREENIS! Everyone say GREENIS.

greenis

GREENIS.

ANDIES
ANDIES
ANDIES

We are entering a new phase of /who/
2013: Birth
2014 - 2015: Golden Age
2016 - 2018: Tripland, Moffucked
2019 - 2020: Dogshit era
2021 - 2024: Schizo Invasion

And now... here it comes...

2025: Greenis Andies War

Who will win? Will Greenis prevail? Or Andies, the new kid everyone loves? This will be a long fight. Tougher, harder, more brutal than any endurance we have yet seen through.

But I believe we can do it. Which ever side you choose, Green for Greenis, Andy for Andies, we are all /who/res. We WILL beat this, and the future has never looked brighter. Stand with me, today, as the battle begins. Greenis. Andies. Let's get started.

Greenis is a lot better than Andies.

>>211445649
Correct.

Andies is a lot better than Greenis.

>>211445673
Correct.

>>211445649
>>211445655
>>211445673
>>211445689
Incorrect.

>>211445633
It's actually 2025 - 2028: Andies Greenis War
That's right. We're just getting started. This is going to go on for four long years. fuck me.

>>211445698
Incorrect.

ANDIES FOREVER
ANDIES UNITE

Greenis

Fact is, greenis is GOING to lose. It's already down to less than half the mentions of Andies. No one finds it funny anymore. it's dead. Andies is the new star. Praise andies. praise andies. PRAISE...

... andies.

You've dabbled with wars. Reality wars, time wars, piss heather wars.

Now meet the genuine article!

GREENIS FOREVER BABY

>>211445492
>VNA
Which ones are good? MA/EDA/PDAs too.

>>211445840

next thread better be GREENIS themed or i'll quit

>>211445881
And there we go. First deserters! /who/ is schisming. This is war in its purest form. Isn't it... ah, beautiful?

And here I was thinking janny had actually learned his lesson after the hack and was starting to clamp down on this faggot
Guess the janny who immediately ignores reports from these threads is still around then

ANDIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>211445911
All we can do is choose a side and FIGHT. Choose wisely. Good ol' Greenis, or new kid Andies? Once you pick, you're stuck in it until the battle ends. Four years of hell. Here we go.

Andies is better for sure. Yeah, im with the ANDIES!

ANDIES FOREVER

G greenis
r greenis
e greenis
e greenis
n greenis
i greenis
s greenis

Greenis!

greenis greenis greenis
no one say the a word
g word. greenis. Green. IS. GOOD.

>>211445911
Can't wait until 4chan is blocked in the UK with the Online Safety Act and this retard finally kills himself

greenis good. greenis good. GREENIS GOOD. GREEEEEENIS... GOOD!

greenis greenis greenis aw yeah

>>211446018
I'm from Australia and I prefer Andies. Does that make me weird?

>>211446018
You severely underestimate how persistent he is. He more than likely has a pass and will just get a VPN.

>>211446063
That's what this war is. Persistence. Constant vigilance. What a nightmare we've unleashed. Prune this thread or let it fester forever. Four years of hell.

#greenis
Let's get this trending!

>>211446018
He's Finnish.

>>211445193
Class > SJA

SJA doesn't feature the best Doctor.

>>211446365
He's not. You're falling for his forced meme.

>>211445347
Random Shoes and Adrift suck.

EMERGENCY TEMPORAL SHIFT

>>211446401
Proof?

>>211446475
>Doesn't post the shift

bros... just tested my PAID vpn and it's blocked... i think it's over for me

>>211443347
>the slithussy