Thread 211416328

>>211416328 (OP)
it's pretty grim that lame twist villains have become so prevelant that people nowadays can't watch lotr without assuming that Legolas or Aragorn might do le morally dubious thing

>>211416328 (OP)
>comfort-watch
Let me guess, they watched some clips in youtube?

women always liked lotr, stop reading clickbait for retards, retard.

>>211416328 (OP)
>Christian values
Someone should have told Tolkien.

>>211416328 (OP)
movies from that era without forced idpol slop are like watching mad men
very comforting to see white people allowed to be unapologetically white

>>211416771
>without forced idpol slop
You didn't watch the movies.

>>211416454
It's kind of cute desu

>>211416801
mindbroken zoomer moment

>>211416485
Also, people have been completely programmed to think the "good-looking straight white guy" character is the real villain.

>>211416328 (OP)
Foids are incapable of understanding LOTR albeit.

>>211416328 (OP)
Great. They're going to ruin LotR like they did with everything else they touch.

>>211416485
LoTR is a bit of an odd one because Sauron has already turned multiple kings and important figures into evil monsters before the story even really begins. So the evil betrayals have happened so many times that the heroes are well aware of Saurons shenanigans by now.

>>211417144
>going to

Saruman?

This is a cultural a backlash against shit like GOT or the other edgy slop you see on streaming.
Which lets face it is not even unique or revolutionary anymore.

Too bad Hollywood answer to that is Woke Slop, which women don't even watch

>>211416771
mad men is full of racial and social subtext retard

Did these people even finish Fellowship and see Boromir's arc?

>>211417389
racial and social subtext retard =/= idpol slop, you fucking zoomer

>>211419744
>>211417175
I think that 'doesn't count' because it's clearly depicted as a magically-induced derangement of a man who is otherwise good.
Boromir wasn't 'secretly evil and hiding it behind a veneer of nobility'. Boromir was genuinely noble, but evil corrupted him.

Which if anything reinforces the traditionalist message that 'outside evil' like vices and corrupt societies are what make good people do bad things.
It's contrary to the newer Game-of-Thrones style idea that suggests that most people are just always hiding some inherent 'internal evil' in themselves and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

>>211420470
yes it does

>>211420470
Zoomers literally has no concept of nuance or context, so it's all the same to them. They literally see no difference between woke and liberal. No point engaging with them.

>>211416328 (OP)
So women are 75 years behind in media literacy and recognizing good kino. Sounds about right. Gonna start thinking about all of their behaviors in this context now. Just 75 years behind.

>>211421085
This is /tv/, you fags lost your shit over the Minecraft movie and that stream of Avengers actors

>>211421058
Nothing Christian about a prophesized king showing up and healing people with his hands.

>>211416328 (OP)
LOTR was always popular with woman how is this news?

>>211421553
It wasn't.

>>211421553
Every generation has to think they were the first to do anything

>>211421597
>not a single quote from the books
lol

>>211421658
aaand the coping starts! for how many minutes will our resident larpagan keep up his shitposting??

>>211421058
Did you forget to crop that bottom part tranny?

>>211416328 (OP)
all women deserve rape

Test

Let's be honest. It's not 'Millennial women' discovering 'Christian values'. It's 'protestant women' discovering CATHOLIC values.
Tolkien rightfully hated protestants. LOTR are Catholic novels with strongly Catholic message and values.

>>211416543
>J. R. R. Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic from boyhood, and he described The Lord of the Rings in particular as a "fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision".

>>211421694
a very disappointing start! in previous threads he would have posted at least 3 images and called others christcuck golems at least a dozen times by now! can he make up, though??

>>211422078
>>211422034

>>211422159

The ONE fundamentally Catholic element in the LotR books is the fall of man.

>>211422215
Where in the LOTR books is that?

>>211421058
Everyone take my poll: is this meme correct?

https://strawpoll.com/1MnwkW555n7

>>211422159
Literally every main character in LotR is based on Catholic Jesus.

>>211421058
troll image

>>211422249
Isildur+ men who served Melkor and Sauron.

>>211422272
this.

>>211416328 (OP)
Is a lack of moral ambiguity a christian value?

>>211416328 (OP)
So what, /tv/ gonna turn against LOTR now?

>>211422267
>>211422289
yet you can't refute it. you cannot name ONE fundamentally catholic thing in the LotR books.

>>211422322
Humans live on Earth

>>211422362
The palantir

>>211422326
judging by the resident larpagan, some already are. he doesn't even like LotR, he just wants to go WE WUZ ENGLISH WRITERZ N SHIET

>>211422319
What does that have to do with the fall of man as it is understood by catholics?

>>211421058
>>211421597
>>211421883
>>211422159
Upvoted

>>211422362
homoerotic love for your fellow man

>>211422323
Yes. Clear good vs evil
>>211422322
Gandalf is literally an angel, but he's a mentor, not the main character

ANYWAY
Irish monks who wrote Book of Labours also mentioned Elves and Fairies etc trying to fit them into Catholic worldview

>>211422384
no it isn't. fuck you

>>211422362
Melkor is satan, Aragorn is Jesus

>>211422418
>Gandalf is literally an angel
Show me the page in LoTR which says that
>trying to fit them into Catholic worldview
Why did they have to try to fit them into a Catholic worldview? Are you suggesting that these creatures did not originate within the Catholic worlview?

where in the books does he say LotR is based on larpaganism?

>>211422462
Aragorn is a mortal king reclaiming his throne, not a divine savior. He’s noble, yes, but he’s no Christ-figure. He is not the son of God, he does no sacrificial death, his journey is about rightful leadership and human virtue, more like Arthur rather than Jesus.

>>211422582
Nobody is arguing that it is, incel.

>>211422387
Even Beowulf is Christian. Pagans were too retarded to record anything. And atheists have terrible literature.

>>211422656
I am. Where does it say that?

>>211416328 (OP)
>good guys are actually good

>>211419744
Boromir was objectively morally good character.

(((Tolkien)))

>>211416328 (OP)
Is there anything worse than christcucks?

>>211422980
>he isn't a larpagan like me??? THEN HE'S A JEW

>>211420747
>Boromir was genuinely noble, but evil corrupted him.

I think movies did excellent job portraying the ridiculously powerful influence of the Ring. We see people turn to murder within minutes of holding it, angel recoils in horror when it is offered the Ring, it shows that Aragorn is truly King of Kings when he gives the ring back to Frodo etc.
Boromir is a man desperately afraid for his besieged homeland, he travels with the ring for quite a while and even when he succumbs to the influence of the One Ring, he snaps out of it after few moment and then he immediately spends the rest of his life fighting for his friends.
I completely reject the notion he was ever not a good man, if anything he was aspirational and relatable.

>>211422723
>Gandalf appears verbatim in the Dvergatal section of the Völuspá
>So do Thorin, Dwalin, Fili, Kili, Gloin, Bifur, Bombur, Nori, Dori
>Classic Norse dwarves are smiths (like the Sons of Ivaldi), live underground, and create magical object, same as Tolkien’s dwarves
>Elves are also from North mythology, as is the distinction between Ljósálfar (light elves) and Dökkálfar (dark elves)
>The name "Middle Earth" = Miðgarðr, the world of men in Norse myth (Tolkien letter 211: "‘Middle-earth’ is not my own invention. It is a modernization or alteration… of an old word for the inhabited world of Men")
>Mirkwood = Myrkviðr appears in multiple Norse texts (e.g., Völundarkviða, Helgakviða Hundingsbana) as a dark, perilous forest.
>The Shire calendar (Appendix D of the Lotr books) mentions Yule, a pre-Christian pagan festival
>Narsil/Andúril is a direct parallel to the shattered and reforged sword Gram in the Völsunga Saga
>Smaug, a Dragon guarding a and cursed treasure hoard is a clear reference to Fáfnir (Tolkien even notes this influence in his lecture "Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics" where he calls Fáfnir the "archetypal northern dragon.")
>Balrog’s fire and shadow duality resembles Surtr, the fire giant who leads Ragnarok with a flaming sword.

>>211423088
/pol/fags, but with the recent happenings in the middle east their population will significantly decrease soon lmao

>>211423320
>sources: my feelings on Tolkien's work
show me the page, paragraph and line where this is stated in the books

>>211423403
desperate

>>211423457
I accept your less than gracious concession

>fag spammer: It isnt fundamentally Christian
>Tolkien: It is fundamentally Christian
>fag spammer: WHERE'S THE LINE WHERE FRODO BEGS JESUS FOR FORGIVENESS!???!!

>>211419744
The arc where he sees his mistake and sacrifices his life to protect the hobbits? btw in the book he goes even harder and Aragorn finds him on a mound of like 40 bodies.

when i finally started dating my now-husband (we'd already been friends for a couple years) i at one point mentally compared him to sam and verbally said that he was 'just good' meaning entirely and sincerely GOOD then tried to explain the concept of why a hobbit could carry the ring and fumbled hard because at that point i basically called him a hobbit and he's a couple inches shorter than me but in the end i think he got it because we tried to watch terminator last night and had 10/10 sex instead

>>211424344
gay

Well yeah,when you're the generation of women that grew up with GoT shit and naming your daughters Khalisi something like LotR seems like finding Christianity

>>211416801
what the fuck are you talking about retard

middle earth has fallen, the material world is a flawed trap, the ring is the source of spiritual damnation, billions must die

>>211420747
>>211423298
>Boromir dindu nuffin

>>211421058
top kek

>>211417144
where have you been for years

>>211425498
harmful

>>211427189
who is making these

>>211427307
A very angry man in a dress

>Christian values
Shouldn't you be going back to the meat grinder Ivan? Literally nukes for Ukraine soon bro. First Iran then Moscow.

>>211416485
>people nowadays can't watch lotr without assuming that Legolas or Aragorn might do le morally dubious thing

>>211423355
truvke

>RAH RAH
>OOO LA LAAAA

>>211427189
the end results of ROP is zogslop, end result of LOTR is kino

>>211416538
Most of them find it boring, and I can’t blame them.

>>211423355
what do you mean by that? chuds arent getting drafted they dont even meet the physical baseline. spics and assorted mutts will be going this time

>>211421058
Literally read the opening chapter of Silmarillion.

>>211422159
>LOTR is one big Christian allegory! BASED TOLKIEN GOOD ONE TOLKIEN
>Uh, Tolkien famously hated allegories
>y-yes but… OK I ADMIT IT IM A STUPID FUCKING CHUDBABY AND JUST WANT MY MEXICAN MOM TO STOP CALLING IT SATANIC GAAAAHHHH
>Mexichud shoots up his DEI high school

>>211427189
Ok, but what’s jewish/subversive about the film?

>>211428325
What exactly Tolkien meant by hating allergories is confusing and autistic, because we know for a fact the Great War, and seeing industrialisation first hand, fed into his work.
I think he simply meant that his work shouldn't *only* be interpreted as an allegory for something like the Great War, when that's not what it was. It was a living breathing universe, that he kind of believed was real in some capacity.
But his own spirituality is all over the damned thing, because it was a core part of his world view.
If the whole Middle Earth project can be boiled down to any one thing, it was a man trying to make sense of his mutual dedication to Christianity, and love for pre-Christian pagan myths, and trying to fit those two things together into some kind of coherent cosmology.

>>211428538
>I think he simply meant that his work shouldn't *only* be interpreted as an allegory for something like the Great War
That’s literally what faggot browns are doing ITT by saying the entire fellowship is an allegory for Jesus

>>211428617
Well, it's not.
Jesus is still to come in Tolkien's world, because it's our world, in pre-history.

>>211421058
>>211421597
>>211421883
>>211422159
>>211427189
disregarded without even opening

>>211421134
Kek bot isn't quite working right. What the fuck does that have to do with my post?

>>211428667
And Gandalf, Saruman, etc are all practically aliens just shaping the world how they see fit. I don’t know how people ever got this idea it’s le Christian beyond good vs evil

>>211428890
Gandalf and Saruman are literally angels.
The Silmarillion is a thing that exists. I don't know what to tell you, friend.

>>211421058
The malevolent entity they are setting out to kill is Satan
>Sends demons after you which are also the corrupted souls of kings
>Lives in smoking hellpit
>Always watching, corrupting, especially through fear, greed and anger
>Legions at his command but fights mainly through mystic psychology
You clearly didn't read the Bible

>>211429948
Yeah I'm not into fiction

>>211421058
>t. someone who didn't read the Athrabeth

>>211429948
More like Satan's right-hand man and liutenant, actually.

>>211416328 (OP)
i never understood it but there was lotr merch in christian book stores so i guess there was something there (money probably)

>>211416328 (OP)
They can't deal with the moral ambiguity of the real world so they find comfort in fantasy where it's presented as categorically black and white. One of the basic flaws of humanity.

>>211427189
>all white cast with some jew producers
>race mixed amazon series written by idiots
such awful bait

>>211416454
media is fucking polluted with this shit
>old nag wineaunt with no kids and 20 cats blogs about the hallucination she had as if it pertains to the general experience of everyone else
fucking narcissists

>not even bothered by no women only conversations
based

>>211421883
>>211422159
>>211428325
You have had months since you lost the election to regroup and this is all you can muster?
No wonder you guys got absolutely smashed
When you kill yourself, don't leave too much of a mess for the paramedics that have to deal with your tantrum's results.

>>211417144
Negrolas was pure kino

>not seeing the bigger picture
This is the final phase of aging millennial women's "I'm ready to settle down" arc. LotR was go-to watching for young millennial nerd boys, but the girls thought those guys were lame-os! But see? Now those girls like those films! These women can now enjoy the same things you enjoy, so of course now you'll be willing to ignore the miles of dick she's taken, the fact that she's loaded with emotional baggage from abusive boyfriends, maybe a bastard or two, and even the knowledge that she would've laughed in your face had you even tried to talk to her 15 years ago, right? You're not a loser incel, are you? Now shut up and take care of that used up Stacy and her sprog, because she's willing to watch Lord of the Rings now!

>>211427307
Amazon shills

>>211416328 (OP)
>grown women can't handle deep or flawed characters

>>211419744
The twist of Boromir for modern viewers is that this aggressive, arrogant, nationalistic white man that is telegraphed as being untrustworthy...
>is the one most worried about the hobbits freezing on the mountain, or being depressed after Gandalf dies
>after Boromir tries to snatch the ring he is deeply remorseful, immediately confesses to Aragorn and what he's most upset about is his people being hurt

Zoomers and young millennials get seriously shaken by that.

>>211421058
I'm not reading this, chat

>>211436984
I've got to watch these movies again.
I watched them all like once when I was 13 and retarded. So retarded that I couldn't follow The Departed because I thought Matt Damon, Leo, and Marky all looked the same.

Reminder that Tolkien was so Catholic that he rooted for Franco and the Nationalists during the Spanish Civil War. Even CS Lewis wasn't THAT based.

>>211435784
>posers like nerd thing now!
oh god Disney is going to make LOTR wokeshit ten times worse than ROP in twenty years?

>>211416328 (OP)
If you read New York Times Arts this is a sign that you are an automaton. This maganize brainwashes people, the dummies, they think they will get informed by reading the papers when actually the papers is controlled and the information is only meant to keep you guessing, they never allow the truth to fully come out. We all know. You must be a glowie.

>>211422159
>world created by one true god who is called 'father' with the help of a large number of angels and arch-angels
>one arch-angel rebelled and became the devil
>all evil originates from the devil
>gandalf gets sent by god to help the people
>gandalf gets resurrected by god

>>211422835
>But what is his tax policy?
>But why do you assume he'd finish the book?

>>211422159
Redemption and forgiveness with Gollum. Gollum was genuinely being redeemed by Frodo's kindness but it's stopped by Sam's (completely justified) suspicion.
Gandalf basically spells out this theme in Moria.

>>211416328 (OP)
Frozen really fucked women up didn't it?

>>211434325
>You have had months since you lost the election to regroup and this is all you can muster?
Hey, Democrats have made PLENTY of progress! For example, since losing the Election they have:
-Appointed that Zoomer Basedboy used as a child-soldier by the gun-grabbers; David Hoag; to one of the highest positions in there political party
-Shot a White CEO in the back (in full-view of a Security Camera) and then completely fucked-up getting away with it, ultimately changing nothing except exposing themselves as unhinged, murderous psychos to the public
-Voted unanimously to force female athletes to compete against big, hairy men in drag pretending to be "women" in sporting events
-Completely evaporate public tolerance of (let alone "support" of) DEI and other racially-discriminatory, anti-White policies
-Fail to stop trannies from no longer being legally recognized by the Government and being allowed to lie on documentation
-Get caught covering up child abuse in Public Schools
-Started vandalizing electric cars and committing outright acts of terrorism targeting electric car dealerships
-Lost USAID's funding
-Have several wokeoid movies and videogames completely tank and several wokeoid companies go bankrupt
-Go to war with the US Military AND their fellow US Citizens in order to ensure that illegal immigrant fent-dealers and child-groomers do not face consequences for their crimes

That's A LOT of progress!

>>211436751
"Can't handle" is very different from "preferring" them, especially when it's specifically the context of "personal comfort-movies", retard.

>>211421058
>There is NO Catholiscism-informed philosophy, morality or symbolism in Lord of the Rings!
Well that's quite a bold claim to make without actual evidence, lol. I guess literally all the litature-scholars, analysts, theologians, college professors, Tolkien's personal family, etc., have been 100% wrong for the past 75 years....because some bunker-toon took a White, blonde Chad caricature (that his opposition created) and used MS Paint to make him say that.

>>211421058 Who am I likely to believe someone on the interwebs or someone like Tolkien who literally saw heck on earth during WW1?

>>211416328 (OP)
Based

>>211422462
Gandalf is Jesus he literally gets reborn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvgxhaUDOxk&ab_channel=PilgrimsPass

>>211425513
he obviously did something, but he is not all bad bad

>>211420747
Ironically this is angle is only portrayed in the movies; in the book Boromir is from the start a self-centered asshole who keeps stating his intention to take the ring to Gondor and use it himself and just gets more and more desperate when it looks like the party will break up and Frodo will trek in a different direction.

>>211433503
to be beyond good and evil is to be evil hence why you insist that males are pregnant and so on

>>211416328 (OP)
This isn't surprising at all. Modern media is not only so cynical, but also so pretentious and so one-note in its narratives that genuine & unambiguously good characters are once again considered "refreshing". Modern Writers; on top of just generally being incompetent in a lot of ways compared to Industry Standards of previous times; also seem to be convinced that EVERY single character needs to be at the very least deeply "morally gray". Not only is this Sammy and a good way to make most characters at least somewhat unlikable, but the irony is that it's not even "realistic". Morons claim these near-cookiecutter artifically "le morally gray and le flawed" characters are better because they're "le realistic", while genuinely good and well-meaning characters (at least ones that DON'T have a twist-reveal that they are secretly le twisted and evil) are "unrealistic". But believe it or not the nice married couple that has spent the decades after retiring hosting your local church's bake-sale and doing other charity work don't necessarily have some dark, twisted secret, despite what fiction has programmed you to believe. It turns out there actually ARE just regular, normal people out there that; despite being human and of course still being flawed; are still just genuinely "good" people. And such people are far, FAR more common than cynical leftists seem to think.
Were these same modern Writers charged with writing characters like Frodo & Sam today, they would end up making them psychotic criminals, drug-addicts or having them cheat on their spouse, etc. But it turns out not only are unremarkable but genuinely good people an example of "realistic" writing, but they are also even something that resonates with audiences, as if thousands of years of human storytelling prior to the 21st Century hadn't ALREADY proven that. ...Who would have thought?

>>211428538
That forward was more targeted at CS Lewis whose Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe was full of unambiguous allegories like "this character is literally Jesus" which Tolkien found distasteful and bad art. If anything LoTR is more influenced by the Finnish Kalevala than the Bible, it even has the same narrative arc

>>211441423
Continuing from this, I even experienced this myself recently when I was watching HBO's Spawn cartoon from the 90's for the first time.
With how Grimdark and edgy and le morally gray Todd McFarlane's writing tends to be (to the point of it practically being his defining & most-associated trait), I was almost 100% sure that it was just a matter of time before the show revealed that Sam was, in fact, a wife-beater and Twitch was secretly a child-molester or something, or that Sam would start pointlessly beating-up a black suspect in an out-of-nowhere racist fit of police-brutality or something like that.
But it turns out, nope: Sam & Twitch were; albeit "flawed", just like anyone; genuinely good Cops and genuinely good people that cared deeply about not only doing their job but also just generally doing the right thing.

I personally found this not only refreshing for the setting the show established, but refreshing in general compared to what modern Writing has become. It turns out your characters do not in fact need some kind of hideous, evil secret or tragic flaw in order to be endearing and likable, or even just interesting.

>>211422835
Correct.

>>211428325
>Uh, Tolkien famously hated allegories
Tolkien hated clumsy, forced, overly specific and pretentious allegories. Allegories are not only a valid but important and comparatively very basic building block of human storytelling and have been since the creation of storytelling itself, and Tolkien clearly recognized this because he utilized allegory himself in his writing.

I think the hang up you were having here, dear Autismo, is that Tolkien did not SPECIFICALLY state that he hated "clumsy, forced, overly specific and pretentious allegories" by name out-loud in your favorite little quote. However, you'll find that a common Behavior among humans is to not speak in strictly, exclusively literal terms. When Tolkien said that he "hated allegory", he didn't mean he literally hated ANY AND ALL allegory, ever. He, at least most likely, meant more that he hated allegory used improperly, or even more likely that he hated what the concept of allegory in contemporary literature had become from.his observations.
This conclusion does admittedly require at least a little bit of non-literal interpretation, but you will find that normal humans without Autism are capable of understanding things like this and tend to understand things like this implicitly.

You're issue, however, may not be as innocent as a misunderstanding due to autism, but rather a willfully disingenuous interpretation of a quote based on the cockamamie political-agenda you want to push.

>>211427189
So your problem with your opposition is ....that they are completely fine with Jews or anybody else when they aren't doing anything wrong, and instead only take issue with Jews when they are being subversive or destructive in regards to media and culture?...

>>211441616
>LARPagans getting to define what Christian Values are or are not
Lmao, funny.
But history speaks for itself. Christianity dominated the Planet, created the Modern Era, and elevated White men to being Masters and Kings of the world. Pagans did not.

>>211441616
>submissive fearful weakling christians destroyed and replaced dominating brave powerful pagans
oh nonononono hahahahHAHAHAH

>he started spamming again
lmao

>>211441667
The Roman government replaced paganism with christianity because its followers are easier to control and manipulate. Slave Morality as Nietzsche called it.

>>211441698
meant for >>211441648

>>211441698
>pagans had so strong morals they actively replaced their powerful and aryan religion with something weaker and inferior
very jewish of the romans hahaha
and /pol/fags actively shill for ancient Rome? talk about hypocrisy

>>211441698
Before that they followed Stoicism, a philosophy where one of the most well regarded philosophers of it was literally a slave.

>>211416328 (OP)
The good guys were always actually all good.

>>211421883
This is what 4chan has basically become. 90% of the users are schizo fucking rightoid nutcases.

>>211420747
>Which if anything reinforces the traditionalist message that 'outside evil' like vices and corrupt societies are what make good people do bad things.
>It's contrary to the newer Game-of-Thrones style idea that suggests that most people are just always hiding some inherent 'internal evil' in themselves and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Yeah but Tolkien wasn't really a big believer on that, he was just a huge folklore fanboy and old folklore just happened to have those same stories about honorable behaviour.
Tolkien's favorite story and which he was a huge fanboy of was finnish folklore story Kullervo. And thats not a story that teaches proper values, thats a somber story warning people to raise their kids well or they end up like Kullervo, a would-be hero who is fatally flawed thanks to his shitty childhood and bad temper.

Silmarillions Turin Turambar is directly inspired by Kullervo. He even dies the exact same way of committing accidental incest and falling on his own sword in rage and grief. And Turin was similarly supposed to be the next great hero but his murderous rage got the better of him.

>>211441808
Yes and you will find a lot of stoic influences in christian theology for that reason.
One major difference is that the central authority for a stoic's actions are his own sense of right or wrong, for a christian its the church.

>>211427307
Someone awesome.

>>211428678
lol, then how do you know you disagree with it and why are you responding?
You were upset because they dunked on you.

>>211441937
>ancient greek and roman stoics didn't believe in their gods! not really!

>>211434325
Why are you making this into politics as if you have every non-leftist with you thinking LOTR is 'christian' or some shit?
You really think that you frogposting incels represent "the winners" of anything? lol, you'll still never be laid only now you'll have less freedoms and money. Congratulations on your huge "win", virgin manchild faggot.

>>211441970
Stoic morality is purposefully divorced from religion. Stoic virtues are reason, logic and living in accordance with nature.
It leaves room for religion, but religious morality is de-emphasized.

I'm not sure how this became a discussion about the pros and cons of stoicism though. The point is christianty is a better method for controlling the masses.

>>211425498
This is severely un-normal and condemnable.

>>211441970
>ancient greek and roman stoics
Thats not too far off. Good number of greek philosophers were agnostic. Epicurus was the guy who coined the whole Problem of Evil in religion in the first place.
The problem is simple and no christian can ever actually solve it. They all try but fail:
>1) God is benevolent.
>2) God is omniscient
>3) God is omnipotent
>Yet evil somehow still exists.
Or in other words:
>If God is able to destroy evil but refuses, then he is not benevolent.
>If God wants to destroy evil but can't, then he is not omnipotent.
>If God neither wants or can destroy evil, he's not a god at all.

>>211442076
>Stoic morality is purposefully divorced from religion. Stoic virtues are reason, logic and living in accordance with nature.
>stoicism is whatever I want it to be to stick it to those christfags

>The point is christianty is a better method for controlling the masses.
No, the point is that pagans didn't really have morals of their own and that's why they embraced Christianity

I find it incredibly touching that Tolkien cared so much for Smeagol and wished for his redemption. Sadly, Sam for all his faithful loyalty and love for Frodo drove Smeagol to abandon his redemption due to Sam's simple morality.

>>211442164
>Epicurus
>agnostic
lol
The problem of Evil is only a problem for anti-christians because it necessitates the notion that God literally thinks of good and evil like us humans do
If you accept that God views existence different than us, the whole thing falls apart. There is a reason a "IF MOM CAN GIVE ME CANDY BUT DOESN'T, THEN SHE'S EVIL" is an actual rebuttal.

>>211442184
>>stoicism is whatever I want it to be to stick it to those christfags
What part of what I said about stoicism is wrong? You seem really uninformed anon.

>pagans didn't really have morals
You're also retarded. Christianity gives people brainrot I suppose.

>>211442234
>that God literally thinks of good and evil like us humans do
A god who thinks parasites and mosquitoes are a force of good is a worthless god. Why worship a god who thinks diarrhea is a show of benevolence?

>>211441698
Ah, so THIS is how you're coping?
>"You only won because....uh....b-because that's what THE MAN wanted, sheeple!"
Pretty flimsy and gay, ngl.

>>211442242
>Stoicism is a school of Hellenistic philosophy that flourished in ancient Greece and Rome. The Stoics believed that the universe operated according to reason, i.e. by a God which is immersed in nature itself.
>What part of what I said about stoicism is wrong?
about all of it, lmao

>You're also retarded. Christianity gives people brainrot I suppose.
you literally said roman pagans took up christianity because it could control the masses better. this means that said pagans wanted to make their fellow pagans suffer and be retarded sheeple, implying a serious lack of moral fiber. No wonder larpagans are constantly angry about Christianity, it's a religion that actually cultivates the good in people instead of exploiting them.

>>211442270
>strawmanning this hard
just say you have no rebuttal to my post, anon.

>>211416328 (OP)
>most of MSM articles are now just childless millennial women on the cusp of losing their last few eggs writing about a prescription pill induced fantasy they had
??????

>>211417260
Galadriel is a cute rat and the OH LAAAWD DEM RAAAANGZ dwarf was kino.

>>211441937
>for a christian its the church
It's actually God, or at the very least the Holy Scripture if you set-up the goal posts to arbitrarily require it to be something physical instead of conceptual. Also, there were literal violent conflicts in the history of Christianity over the idea of people trying to make the arbiter of right and wrong earthly men & institutions rather than God, but....hey, don't let facts get in the way of your narrative, I guess.

>>211442286
Do you know who Constantine I. is?

>>211442303
The concepts of morality and ethics predate christianty by at least 2000 years.

>all of it
Based argument retard. Everything you said is wrong too, checkmate.

>>211441808
Lmao, was going to post this. Glad somebody beat me to it.

How do seethecels cope with the books/movies being adapted by women, and knowing that they were the only thing keeping Jackson from going full retard with his action comedy slop and making the movies even worse?

>>211423298
Humans are the easiest race to corrupt, it's fair to say that Boromir is basically as noble as a human can be without being part elf

>>211442316
>Strawman
Thats no strawman. You said gods motivations are too alien for us to understand. That doesn't matter because ultimately our own morality is the only thing that matters. You are arguing that we should just accept everything being carefully designed by God for his ultimate goal of benevolence that we possibly can't understand. That includes parasite worms in your dick, it was God's master plan to make you suffer needlessly. You completely failed to solve the Problem of Evil.

A benevolent God would snap his holy fingers and create a world without any suffering whatsoever and create humans so they will be perfectly happy at all times like a never ending wave of heroin.

>>211442360
>>for a christian its the church
>It's actually God
Those are synonymous until evangelicalism became a thing. A christian used to be wholly reliant on the interpretations of the church for all matters related to the will of god.

>>211416485
good guys staying morally good throughout a story has become unironically refreshing to see since it's so rare in modern media

>>211442381
ok? doesn't mean the morals and ethics that predated christianity were good by our standards. Did you know it was moral in pagan Rome/Greece to kill someone who slighted you and take his wife as your concubine and sell his kids as slaves? It was also moral in ancient Germania to sacrifice sickly children to the swamp so the peat could be plentiful and strong for your crops

>Everything you said is wrong too, checkmate.
take a few deep breaths and calm down

>>211442491
>Did you know it was moral in pagan Rome/Greece to kill someone who slighted you and take his wife as your concubine and sell his kids as slaves?
No it wasn't. You weren't allowed to kill other roman citizens or really any free men at all. Only people you were allowed to rape and murder all you liked were your own slaves.

>>211441999
>tranny gets angry
>starts baselessly throwing around accusations of "incel"
Typical. We objectively DID win, btw: Kamala I literally every possible advantage, both legal and illegitimate, and still got massively schlonged due to actual Americans rejecting her and Democrats not being able to fake enough votes through fraud or Illegal-Immigrants to make up the difference.

>only now you'll have less freedoms and money
You're clearly confused and thinking of the Biden Administration, lmao.

Your genuine loss in the Election has mindbroken your side SO hard that you're now burning-down Electric Car Dealerships and rioting in the streets (again, lol) over Illegal-Immigration ACTUALLY being illegal and enforced against. I'm dashing at the bit waiting for the United States military to quit treating you with kiddie-gloves. As soon as that happens this little tantrum you're all throwing in LA will resolve itself REAL fast, lol.

>>211442164
>The problem is simple and no christian can ever actually solve it.
Yeah, just like in the macro posted on /b/! Epic win, /b/rother!!!

>>211442427
Why do parasites and insects have any less of a right to exist than anything else in nature? They serve a purpose even if we cannot comprehend it yet. Why is it bad when a mosquito unknowingly spreads disease when it feeds but we accept that cats kill for fun and bears eat while their prey is still alive? It's nature.

>A benevolent God would snap his holy fingers and create a world without any suffering whatsoever and create humans so they will be perfectly happy at all times like a never ending wave of heroin.
It's called Heaven and it's the final destination of all humans given enough time. Our time here is nothing compared to our inevitable reward.

LoTR is boring

>>211442451
The fucking Reformation literally happened because of people violently disagreeing with the trend in the Catholic church at the time that was viewed as prioritizing the Church over God.
And that was hardly the first instance of such a Schism happening in the history of the Church. But again, why am I expecting a LARPagan to actually be educated on the topics he brings up, let alone have any understanding of complexity or nuance? You fags are literally the party of "I desperately need to believe in SOMETHING, but Christianity is far too problematic and doesn't let me do a bunch of drugs and fuck a bunch of men in the ass!".

>>211427189
Based Harvester. Never knew he did LotR

>>211442515
oh wow how moral of paganism to treat people as property.
>No it wasn't.
Every single pagan epic glorifies killing your enemies and taking their family as slaves and lovers. When pagans listened to the Illiad they didn't cringe at the bloodshed and killing of slaves and defilement of corpses and looting of the dead and sacrifice of women at altars, they expressed their awe and wish to be like the men who did these things with such ease.

>>211442581
>Why do parasites and insects have any less of a right to exist than anything else in nature?
Are you telling me all the scientists who have already eradicated lot of human parasites are all going to hell? Should've just left the 3rd world children die from diseases, thats what God wants, just think about the feelings of gut parasites.
>It's called Heaven and it's the final destination of all humans given enough time.
Yet evil exists right here. Theres no reason for it to exist whatsoever, if God is truly benevolent. And not everyone goes to Heaven. A truly benevolent God would not have suffering or evil at all, or hell for that matter. People would be physically incapable of doing harm to each other.

>>211442642
>oh wow how moral of paganism to treat people as property.
Christians did too at the time. Up until early 19th century christians accepted slavery as long as no christians were enslaved.

>>211435583
ironically agree
Watched the show dutifully with ex gf. It was very stupid but even so. Everyone said Celebrimbor a lot.

Sorry waiting out the captcha
>>211435784
>not exclusively dating nerdy but attractive women who simped for aragorn and frodo since middle school, and learned a few elvish phrases.
Could not be me.

>>211442491
They did have morals though. Your argument was that christians basially invented morality and that was such a revelation that pagans all adopted christianty. Now you are shifting the goal post to say christian morality is better than the vague umbrella of all pagan morality systems.

Someone who subscribes to an islamic moral system also believes people who subscribe to a christian moral system are "bad" and vice versa.
There is not one objectively correct moral system, even if every single one of the religious ones claim they are divinely ordained and they all believe they are the objectively correct ones (example: you).

The western judeo-christian moral system also evolves and changes over time. You might have noticed most old testament rules are ignored today. Nobody in the christian churches demands an eye for an eye or tooth for a tooth in the legal system. The christian moral system even a hundred years ago is vastly different to the one that most christian westerners hold today. Especially when it comes to the role of women in society for example.

>take a deep breath
Just saying someone is wrong without pointing out in which way they are wrong just makes you look silly, especially when you are yourself wrong about everything (that was a joke ;)

hmmm...is this a slide thread?

>>211442672
there you go with the strawmen again. No, scientists aren't going to hell for dealing with parasites just like the animal that bites its fleas off isn't going to hell.
Free will is worthier than lobotomizing people to only do good. And yes, everyone is going to Heaven because God's grace is mightier than the most heinous crime a human can commit. Hell is only temporary.
Let's be honest, if God made all humans do good you'd complain about having no free will.

>>211442635
he didn't, his production company had it at the early script stages when it was going to be two movies not three, then they came back and said hey lets just do it in one movie, which jackson and crew obviously said no that's impossible and would be awful, that's when they took it to new line cinema and the movies as we know them happened.

>>211442164
Most evil stems from human actions, God didn't command humans to be greedy and skim on quality control at Boeing to make planes fall from sky. Even in natural disasters there's a human element where poor people are pushed to live in unsafe areas as well as reckless urban development. Ultimately there's no clear cut solution to that problem since one side believes in divinely inspired free will and the other doesn't.

As for mosquitoes and others I'm not sure of the ultimate consequences of exterminating species and removing them completely from nature, even removing seemingly undesirable building blocks from a complex ecosystem can have bad consequences that are only observed much later.

>>211442730
>Your argument was that christians basially invented morality and that was such a revelation that pagans all adopted christianty.
where did I say that?
>Now you are shifting the goal post
Stop projecting

>>211442691
And Christians abolished slavery worldwide, so...

>>211442831
>>211442831
>No, the point is that pagans didn't really have morals of their own and that's why they embraced Christianity

>>211442855
Thanks for reminding me. Nothing wrong with my statement. Still, you haven't addressed my point that pagans adopted christianity for better crowd control because, like I said, they had no morals.

>>211442804
>Free will is worthier than lobotomizing people to only do good.
God can create a perfect world where you have both free will and you can do only good. He is omnipotent. Omnipotence means you can do anything. If God can't give us Free Will without hurting us in the process, then he is not all-powerful. You failed to solve the problem once again.

>"God works in Mysterious Ways. Thats why you have to suffer for no good reason and thats why parasites should exist."
>"Free Will is more important!"
>You are Here.
>"God didn't create Evil, devil did! Thats why he can't do anything about it although he's supposed to be omnipotent."
>"God didn't create Evil, humans did! Thats why he can't do anything about it although he's supposed to be omnipotent."
>"Well you just don't understand, read a Bible, I'm not going to cite any of it to you because I haven't read it myself."
>"You have read the Bible? Well its just a matter of Faith(tm)."
I should make a bingo card from the christcuck failures to solve this very simple riddle. As a hint, many other religions and arguably Old Testament solves the Problem of Evil instantly.

>>211442831
>And Christians abolished slavery worldwide,
Yeah it only took them 1800 years to do so, until it was convenient to abolish thanks to industrial revolution. Maybe we should start worshipping machines instead.

>>211442935
Like I said previously, the whole argument of yours falls apart with the "IF MOM IS GOOD THEN WHY DOESN'T SHE LET ME GLUTTON OUT ON CANDY AND PIZZA" thing. You've literally said nothing of substance in this thread

>>211442954
Took them less time than atheists, pagans, taoists, buddhists, hindus and muslims, that's for sure.

>>211442935
How would you have done it since you clearly have a special insight on how omnipotence works and should be applied to create "the perfect world with free will"?

>>211442878
Maybe if you try and make me understand your argument better, I could address it.

So you agree christianity was introduced for better crowd control?
But the people in charge (pagan at the time) would not have done so if they had been christians?

>>211442976
>she let me glutton out.
In a perfect good world made by benevolent God there is no gluttoning out. We wouldn't even need to eat. Once again, for the 5th time now you failed to solve Problem of Evil. You're arguing that a father who gives a child a gun who then blames the child for shooting a gun is a benevolent father. It was fathers decision to give that gun in the first place, therefore he is responsible, not the child.

>>211416485
Personally, I love when the pesky good guy who will clearly be revealed to be evil turns out to be good all along and never betray the protagonist

>>211416328 (OP)
What christian values?
You mean the basic morality of every single religion and society on earth?

>>211443034
>In a perfect good world made by benevolent God there is no gluttoning out. We wouldn't even need to eat.
Just laser brain out of the skull and put in a vat flooded with feelgood drugs, perfect atheist society achieved.

>>211443001
>How would you have done it since you clearly have a special insight
I don't know how, I'm not omnipotent. But I know what terms actually mean, and omnipotence mean you can do anything, even things that seem impossible. If you cant, well then you're just not omnipotent.
See thats how Zoroastrianism solved Problem of Evil. Ahura Mazda is still busy fighting Ahriman, he is going to win but he has not won yet and thats why darkness and evil exists in the world. He is incredibly powerful but not all-powerful.

Old Testament also sort of solves the Problem of Evil. God is simply cruel and vindictive and only helps certain people while damning others. So god is simply evil. Worship Him or ELSE. Simple yet effective.

>>211443002
I don't agree with your statement at all, at best I humor you. You believe that Christianity was adopted to control people, but the ones that forced its adoption were already pagan. The way I see it, their pagan upbringing made them see no wrong in controlling people.
It's like saying a rapist isn't at fault for raping a pretty girl because the girl provoked him with her beauty. The fact that he was a rapist had no impact at all!

>But the people in charge (pagan at the time) would not have done so if they had been christians?
No.

>>211443091
Unironically yes. If permanent happiness is achievable, who the fuck will ever choose to suffer instead? If you disagree, why the fuck are you in front of your screen, strip your clothes, walk into the nearest forest and let the cold take you.

>>211440092
>>world created by one true god who is called 'father' with the help of a large number of angels and arch-angels
>>one arch-angel rebelled and became the devil
>>all evil originates from the devil
>>gandalf gets sent by god to help the people
No, show me something in the LotR books

>>211443034
If we didn't understand hunger we couldn't know the blessing of never being hungry. If we didn't understand illness we couldn't know the blessing of being healthy.
>b-b-but God could make us understand!
Yes. But he won't. Does that make him evil? Are you evil when you deny a child his tiktok tablet and don't explain why because he couldn't possibly understand?

>>211443001
it is happening again...

>>211443112
>God is simply cruel and vindictive and only helps certain people while damning others
funny how most pagan gods are like that but no larpagan calls them evil, just "human-like"

>>211443203
>let me tell you what theology is when I hate God, theism, religion, religious people and have a bias against all of those
riveting

>>211443117
>I don't agree with your statement at all
Why don't you discredit the claim then instead of arguing the implications?

>>211443177
>Are you evil when you deny a child his tiktok tablet and don't explain why because he couldn't possibly understand?
If I was all powerful and could create a world in which the child can get the same enjoyment from productive and healthy activities as it does from the tiktok tablet, then yes.

>>211443177
>If we didn't understand hunger we couldn't know the blessing of never being hungry. If we didn't understand illness we couldn't know the blessing of being healthy.
Why would we need to know? Also again God is supposed to be omnipotent. Which means He can easily snap his holy fingers and make it so that we know all about that without having to experience it ourselves.
>But he won't. Does that make him evil?
A father who intentionally starves his child to teach him what hunger is is pretty damn evil, yes. Try to do that to your own child and you'll be in prison.

>>211443231
what is this argument even supposed to be, freak?

>>211443238
>if I was god and acted and thought like a human, I'd do it!
and we're back to square 1
>s-s-so you think God works in mysterious ways??
Yes. Just like my pet cat thinks I do things arbitrarily, unreasonably and illogically.

>>211443237
I did about two times already, and it's always "SO you agree Christianity is bad??"

>>211443302
>and we're back to square 1
Thats a non-argument, who the fuck would worship a God who thinks like a fish?

>>211443302
>I did about two times already, and it's always "SO you agree Christianity is bad??"
Maybe summarize

>>211443247
>Why would we need to know?
Why not? I thought knowledge is a good thing because Satan was based?

>>211443302
>lol dumb vain mortals thinking their puny moral standards apply to God, who is absolutely mysterious and nothing like us
>also we are made in his image and his morality is ours, here is a book where he wrote it all down

>>211443112
>I don't know how, I'm not omnipotent
Are you sure? You seem to imply the only way to solve the problem of evil is yours and no other.

>>211443248
>>211443312
>>211443329
>freak
>greentext strawmanning
>unironic wojakposting
>plain old shitposting
it's ok, maybe one day you'll grow out of your atheism phase

>>211443320
read the thread

>>211443336
>You seem to imply the only way to solve the problem of evil is yours and no other.
Its not my argument, its the argument of Epicurus. And you have failed to solve it like all christians do. And you will always fail because to solve it you need to let go one of 3 conditions of what makes a christian God to solve it.
How to solve Problem of Evil instantly:
1) God is not good, God is evil. Thats why evil exists in the world.
2) God is not omnipotent. He wants to destroy evil but he can't. Thats why evil exists in the world.
3) God is not omniscient. He doesn't know how to destroy evil although he wants to. Thats why evil exists in the world.

>lol if god is real why am I still a virgin and liberalism still exists?
>check and mate

>>211443363
>retarded christcuck ran out of arguments.
I accept your concession. Read the bible sometime, you might learn something. I've read it twice.

>>211443363
I did and you never addressed the claim you just argued the implications of the claim being right.

>>211443382
>if something is not all-Good then it's all-Evil
quite a statement there

>>211443363
How is it strawmanning? You claim that the Christian God and his sense of morality is utterly alien to humans, which is incompatible with the fact that he made us in his own image and has communicated his views on morality to us. You just have no argument against this lol

>>211443413
That is not the statement though. The statement is
>if something is some-Evil then its not all-Good.

>>211443398
>I've read greentexts about it on /pol/ and cripple chan's anti-christianity board*
lol

>>211443399
I have no problem admitting that organized christianity can be used for immoral ends, if that's what you're getting at. It's a no brainer. Can you admit that pagans/stoics weren't as humane and sophisticated as you claim them to be?

>>211443413
The statement was that evil cannot exist in a world where someone all-powerful all-good exists. Yet evil exists.

>>211443468
>Christcuck hasn't even read the Bible.
Lmao back to the church you lazy fuck. Sloth is a deadly sin as any other.

>>211443443
75-25 good-evil ratio is fine. If that constitutes "not all-Good" then I fail to see the problem Epicurus has with Christianity.

>>211443487
>75-25 good-evil ratio is fine.
But then God can't be both good and all-powerful at the same time. Thats the issue. A good father would make sure the ratio would be 100-0 good-evil if it was in his power to do so.

>>211443486
>atheist resorts to name-calling and reverse-no-true-scottsman again
why do they always do this?

>>211424344
Gay but wholesome also

>>211443503
>christcuck makes excuses for his failure to read the bible instead of repenting for his sins.
Why are you always like this?

>christ cultist egotistically makes it all about his jew worship

in another time you retards would be calling LOTR satanic for having several gods and magic and wizards. kindly fuck off

>>211443502
>if you're not all good then you are not worth following
Ancient Greeks literally believed Zeus was the wisest arbiter of justice under heaven and earth while simultaneously believing all the stories of his short temper, infidelity and pettiness

>>211443468
>Can you admit that pagans/stoics weren't as humane and sophisticated as you claim them to be?
It's a very wide umbrella, I would agree that some of them were not. And the people who used christianity for their ends certainly were not.

>I have no problem admitting that organized christianity can be used for immoral ends,
Is that not an inherent flaw in christianity that needs fixing? I am looking at mega churches and and the past actions of the vatican here. It seems rather easy for non-christians (people not following christian morals) to control large groups of christians (people following christian morals).

>>211443515
If you've read the Bible you'd know that no Christian should consider himself sinless by virtue of being Christian and all fall short of God's idea of morality
I guess that factoid eluded you those two times you read the Bible.....

>>211443533
Epicurus was agnostic, he didn't believe Zeus was the way people believed he was, or even affected people's daily lives at all. Also he was mainly critisizing cult of Apollo, not Zeus.

>>211443431
This christcuck lives with his mom & makes these christcuck threads all the time.
He claims he doesn't go to church but is witnessing on 4channel like a pathetic christcuck xD

>>211443555
>no Christian should consider himself sinless by virtue of being Christian and all fall short of God's idea of morality
Using this as an excuse to not do your christian duties is a straight ticket to hell because you show clear signs of not actually repenting your daily sins. If you give excuses, you don't feel sorry for your actions. Its eternity in the lake of fire for you, buddy.

>>211443542
>Is that not an inherent flaw in christianity that needs fixing?
It's not a problem with christianity itself, it's a problem with the people who practice it ergo it's a problem of humanity. If an atheist doctor takes money on the side for performing operations is that a problem with atheism or medicine?

>>211416328 (OP)
That's because they're now in their 30s and need to find a sucker to marry them

>>211443559
Epicurus believed in godliness in the natural world and its inherent harmony in all things. That's a far cry from agnostic. If anything he was a deist.

>>211443431
>>211443570
why are you replying to yourself?

>>211443574
>YOU'RE A BAD CHRISTIAN
why do atheists always appeal to religion when they don't believe in it?
where are your PhDs? I thought atheists were smart?

schizo thread

>>211443629
>where are your PhDs?
Wheres your bible and how come you don't bother reading it? I thought you were a good christian yet you keep rejecting the word of God.

>>211443644
stop avoiding to answer. you bring shame to atheism and your discord buddies

>>211443629
Schizo sodomite says what?

>>211443653
>stop avoiding to answer.
oh we have a pajeet in the thread. No wonder you don't understand anything discussed in this thread.

>>211443678
>>211443700
>

>>211442935
>a perfect world where you have both free will and you can do only good
Where you seriously able to type this sentence out without it causing at least a hiccup in your neurons?
This is a nonsensical & self-contradictory postulation right here. "Free Will" inherently means the ability to chose your actions for yourself between at least a binary if not multiplicity or options. If you "can ONLY do good" then that inherently contradicts "Free Will" also being present.

The fuck is it with anti-Christians/anti-theists perpetually and ceaselessly insisting that they are so much smarter than everybody else but at the same time belching-out some of the stupidest, least self-aware platitudes with the absolute highest level of confidence? Absolute Clown-Show shit.

>>211443588
Atheism is a bad example since it does not really say anything about the moral system of the person who accepts the bribe. It's does not propose a positive vision, just denies other people's positive claims.

So let's use stoicism again as an example, since we already used it before.

A true stoic would not accept the bribe because wealth is fleeting and not helpful for living a fulfilled life. Maintaining the integrity of the social system is more important in that moral framework than self-enrichment. A christian on the other hand would not accept the bribe because it is sinful. Two different moral arguments leading to the same conclusion.

I'd argue the proclivity to follow immoral leaders, who claim speak for God, is an inherent flaw in Christianity. This would not be a problem for a stoic. There is no way built into christianity to identify those crooks so the crooks will keep exploiting christians.

>>211443735
God has free will and can only do good. Your argument is trash

You can kill yourself now

>>211443732
Nice try christcuck xD

>>211443487
Why are you being so disingenuous? "All good" precludes ANY evil.

>>211443629
>why do atheists always appeal to religion when they don't believe in it?

>>211443735
>If you "can ONLY do good" then that inherently contradicts "Free Will" also being present.
Moving goalposts, we are arguing about the nature of omnipotence. Omnipotence means you can make a world where only doing good and free will exists at the same time. Omnipotence means you can do anything. You can make a circle that is a square at the same time. You can make a liquid that is simultaneously a gas at the same time it is liquid. You can make a sun that is made of ice. Omnipotence means you can do ANYTHING. If God cannot do everything, then he is not omnipotent, he is not all-powerful.

I know its a hard term and concept for your nigger brain to grasp but come on now.

>>211439545
Reminder Franco refused to deport his jewish population to german camps despite being ordered to by Hitler and later got aid from Israel to fight anti-zionist Moroccans.

>>211443871
The chud will go mad and claim that ackchually God can't do any of that because he is a slave to logic. Just watch. They always do this.

>>211428217
>>211428349

thousands of palestinians die screaming daily while jews laugh

>>211439545
>Tolkien was so Catholic that he rooted for Franco
Another polcel lie. Tolkien criticized lefties for uncritically dismissing all criticisms of the spanish commies and uncritically accepting all criticism of Franco. Polcels have warped this into "he heckin' supported Franco!!!"

>>211443890
How's life with mom?

>>211443901
why does that trigger you?

>>211439545
It's not surprising since the atheist communists in Spain killed 100k Catholics prior and during the lead-up to the Civil War though some Catholic writers like Bernanos who were enthusiastic about Franco later became disenchanted with him.

>>211443834
Atheists are supposed to be smarter than christians. Why are you such a retard, then?

>>211443812
so it's about semantics and wordplay

Threadly reminder rabbi yeshua declared he would return in the apostles lifetimes yet failed to do so

>>211444128
No, chud. Pointing out that words mean something, and have logical implications, is not "word play". If you say "all storks are white" then you cannot also accept that "some storks are not white", as this would make the first claim false.

>>211442326
It's amusing that the rat is more offensive than the hospitable dwarf.

>>211444168
>thing is 99% good for you and 1% bad for you
>that means it should be avoided because it's not 100% good for you
ok

>rabbi yeshua
the greatest atheist minds of all time claimed religion would disappear in their lifetimes or surely by the end of the next generation

>>211444140
They saw the Ascension, that was forty days after the resurrection. It's one of the most basic pieces of it.

>>211422582
>Where in the books with mythological pagan being is it said that the book is based on paganism?
LOTR is a pagan work even if unconsciously, maybe its flaws are christcucked tho like the interracial relationship between a human inferior male and an elf superior woman.

>>211416328 (OP)
>Christian values are when the setting is manichean
Ask me how I know you never went to Church.

>>211420747
>>211419744
Boromir went for the ring solely to use it to save Gondor. He was never evil, he was fooled.

Were Tom Bombadil and the Witch King the blue wizards?

>>211444514
No.

>>211443037
name 5 movies/series

You can stop samefagging in your christbait thread christcuck, mom's got your tendies ready xD

>>211416328 (OP)
>good guys are good
The literal leader of the good guys defects to the evil side though
Following that another good guy orders his own son into a suicide mission
Both of these caused by using magic internet crystal ball

>>211444289
No, chud, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that if a thing is 99% good for you and 1% bad for you, then you cannot truthfully say that it is 100% good for you. So if you claim that God is "All" good, then that precludes that he is evil to any degree. Otherwise he would be "mostly good", not "all good". Why is that so hard for tradlarping incels to grasp?

>>211441901
it's funny how much oldfags would fucking hate election tourists' politics

>>211444886
>Men born with defects
>Men who are castrated by violence
>Men who forsake sex and live a life of celibacy.
>Accept the cards dealt to you.
Show us the passage where Jesus said to cut your dick off and accept transsexuals.

>>211445161
>Show us the passage where Jesus said to cut your dick off and accept transsexuals.
I just did, sweatie. I guess it triggered you so hard that it broke your brain and now you're left to automatically repeat the slogans of your NPC programming.

>>211445186
the bible is heavly homophobic and anti-degeneracy. why do you think in anyway that is used to support transgendersim. eunuchs are not the same

>>211444648
>if God doesn't obey me like a prayer vending machine then he's EVIL
Marx leeched off his friends and family yet he is considered all-communist

>>211417120
>people have been completely programmed to think the "good-looking straight white guy" character is the real villain.
Blame the fugly nerd writers.

Why do people still reply to rage bait.

>>211444886
>you should accept me, vile christian. but I will never accept you!

>>211420882
>Zoomers literally has no concept of nuance or context
Gen Z's 1995-2009, spaz. Our childhoods had plenty of shit with nuance and subtleties.

>>211422417
>homoerotic love for your fellow man
Guess we gotta be dicks to each other if being kind to one another's supposedly gay.

>>211416328 (OP)
>christian values of The Lord of the Rings
It's just smoking propaganda. Advertising smoking is "Christian values"? I suppose, Christianity is Jewish and pushing smoking is Jewish

>>211423088
>Is there anything worse than christcucks?
Reddit atheists.

>>211445239
That's right.
>"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven."
- Matthew 5:44–45
>"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil."
- Luke 6:35
>"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
- Luke 23:34
(Spoken while being crucified, referring to his executioners.)

>>211445368
Jesus didn't ackchually mean any of that and even if he did, it doesn't matter

>>211444339
ascension does not fulfill "all nations will see" "army of angels" "final judgment of man"

saying it was ascension, pentecost, whatever is just a christcuck cope. your messiah made a failed prophecy

>>211445186
What you imply and what the passage actually says are very different things. You call others an NPC while reposting without comprehension. You're basically a Republican.

>>211445449
Now you're pulling passages that are unrelated. But it all comes back to Man does not determine the hour, God does. If you're gonna go this route at least be honest.

>>211445472
Jesus himself was, in every meaningful sense, trans. God became flesh: a radical act of incarnation that crossed the boundary between creator and creation. In that moment, God did not just "visit" humanity but transitioned into human form, taking on a body, emotions, limitations, and vulnerability. That is a divine transition.
In the Eucharist, Jesus declares, “This is my body” over bread and “This is my blood” over wine. Through TRANSubstantiation, Jesus becomes something other , fully present in new form. This is not symbolic alone, it’s a real transformation of substance. In the most sacred Christian ritual, Jesus identifies with a trans-formation of being.
Jesus, like many trans people, lived a truth that the world could not tolerate, and still rose again in a new body, glorified yet wounded. His scars remained - a reminder that even transformed bodies carry memory and pain. And still, that body was holy.

>>211445557
Nta, but it’s the same thing as Paul famously believing the end of the world would happen in his lifetime
Early Christianity was a Doomsday cult because it was the only way they thought they could beat Rome

>>211445368
>>"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven."
>- Matthew 5:44–45
Says nothing about not persecuting those whose who have the Word and rejected it.
>>"But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil."
>- Luke 6:35
Kills the whole rabbi thing when he tells his followers not to charge interest.
>>"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do."
>- Luke 23:34
Hebrew tricks and threats of rioting tied the hands of the Roman occupiers. They even tried to follow local tradition and they asked for the actual murdering rapist instead of the preacher to be set free among them.
Look if an atheist can poke holes in your complaints, what do you think people with millennia, centuries, and decades under their belt are going to do.

>>211445620
Oh I know, I just hate how lazy they are.

>>211445690
>a...ackchually Jesus was a hate preacher who wanted us to be violent!!!
Look at how DESPERATE chuds are not to follow Jesus

>>211445780
Why would I wanna follow the guy who preaches about being a servile geek who let's everyone walk all over him to be "nice"?

>>211445800
Why would you pretend to be Christian in the first place if everything Jesus taught is so distasteful to you that you have to pretend that he didn't mean it?

>>211445816
Best part about you being a christcuck is you're not going to your so called paradise because you're a christcuck.

>>211419744
Imagine being this much of a brainlet. Boromir was desperate, that he was able to resist the Ring for so long is a testament to his strength. Yes, he had a lapse, but the Ring corrupts all it comes in contact with. His King was right, Boromir kept his honour at the end.

>>211446230
Imagine being this much of a larping schizo christcuck that you'd reply to a post from 15 hours ago.

How were your tendies mom cooked for you xD.

>>211416328 (OP)
You fags should post this on /lotrmemes.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2469038268?t=03h29m38s

>>211427914
you can only expect them to 'think' so much, they don't understand even now in current age