Thread 211429826

Late zoomer here
Is it true that the prequels were as hated as the sequels?
Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?

>>211429826 (OP)
>>211429704

>>211429826 (OP)
They weren't as hated but they were still hated by anyone who wasn't a little kid and had 3 brain cells.

>>211429826 (OP)
>as hated as the sequels?
As hated? Probably not. Kids generally liked them and they spawned quite a bit of games and other media which the sequels haven't. They were hated though quite a bit by a lot of people, and were widely mocked/torn apart. Anyone telling you otherwise was just 8 years old when they came out so they weren't aware.

>>211429826 (OP)
They were far more hated than the sequels.

>>211429826 (OP)
Episode 1 did get a ton of hate from older fans, but was loved by children (in part due to all the great media that surrounded its release). Also the difference was the mainstream media was actively fueling that hatred back then, compared to the sequels where Disney owns the MSM and was doing everything possible to downplay negative sentiment and gaslight the public into thinking they were major hits. Episode 2 didn't push any envelopes regarding love vs hate, it was sort of lukewarm, episode 3 was enjoyed by most people except the professional critics who ridiculed the scriptwriting. People think Hayden got a lot of hate but really it was nothing at all compared to Jake Lloyd's. Even naive kids were aware of the hate he was getting and that was in a time before social media.

>>211429826 (OP)
The prequels were bitterly disappointing but they still had a kind of verisimilitude to them, if that makes sense. They were the full Lucas experience where you had this embarrassing, cringeworthy whiff of autism over the whole thing but also this sincere saturday morning serial vibe. The prequels were goofier and more cartoonish than anyone wanted but they still had juice in them. The plot was interesting. The big setpieces worked. There was still fun and excitement.

People's misgivings with the sequels, on the other hand, aren't with the execution or the details. They're fundamentally flawed. They either take the OG narrative in directions no one wanted or just undermine it completely Their big moments fall flat. They feel like product. Because they are.

We were disappointed in the prequels because they could have been great and were just pretty good. We hate the Sequels because they're not even Star Wars

>>211429826 (OP)
>Late zoomer here
like 2010, 2009, or 2008?

>>211429826 (OP)
The prequels were hated like how you hated your parents as a teenager for making you wear a seatbelt. The sequels are hated like you'd hate your parents if they molested you.

>>211429826 (OP)
> Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?
No because unlike the prequels, they don’t really have much external media or things for kids of that generation to latch onto the way zoomers did for prequels. The love for the prequels goes beyond the movies, there was tons of video games, cartoons, comics, etc. for zoomers to enjoy. The sequels just don’t have enough content for this younger generation to really sink into. Regardless of what you think of the prequels, it’s undeniable just how much mileage Lucas got out of it. This isn’t even getting into aesthetics either (which the sequel trilogy barely has btw).

there's a discord posting this spam 24/7

Prequels were hated by gen x but loved by little millennials like me, Lucas always made the movies to appeal to 8-14 boys. They also had lots of merch, tv shows, legos, and vidya to accommodate them, unlike the sequels, which leads me to believe Disney don't believe in their own movies.

>>211429826 (OP)
Oh yeah, if anything it was worse. I mean there was a whole documentary that came out about how the fans hated the prequels and everything George Lucas had done. A lot of old internet content's been wiped/lost but there's still some stuff up from that era.

I would say they were more divisive though cause even back then they did have their fans. Whereas with the sequels even the people who liked Force Awakens or Last Jedi (or both) will admit Rise of Skywalker is a complete fucking mess. Whereas even back in the day a lot of people who hated the first 2 prequels would admit Revenge of the Sith is alright at least

>>211429826 (OP)
The hate is fictional.

>>211429826 (OP)
>Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?
Kids who grew up with them might end up having nostalgia for them, sure. But Rise of Skywalker was so distinctly bad that I don't think their overall reputation's ever going to turn around like the prequels (semi) have.

>>211430004
>dat wishful thinking
KEK

>>211429826 (OP)
>Is it true that the prequels were as hated as the sequels?
Yep, but that was mostly by Star Wars shitlords who couldn't handle kid vader being a kid
>Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?
Nope, because the prequel trilogy had something that the new trilogy lacks, and that is direction. All 3 movies are heading towards what is the original trilogy, so they had rails they had to stick to. The Disney trilogy has no idea what it wants to be about since it changes directors and themes and ideas like a prostitute going through condoms, to the point that it contradicts itself more than once.

>>211429826 (OP)
no amount of lucasfilm astroturfing is going to turn it around, the prequelmemes and general talk of the prequels where they got standing ovations when they first came out both existed.

We're still talking about the prequels today, guess what we're not talking about.

No amount of OTfag is going to save the astroturfing shills to turn this around, we grew up loving the prequels, if you were going to get a generation turning the sequels around, it would be happening already, it has been 10 years since TFA.

People forget /tv/ was created at end of 09' and we were arguing with otboomerfags and definitely xfags as well. Those people are dying already, the people you're trying to turn already love the prequels and hate the sequels, and you already burned the otfags with the sequel trilogy and turned their heroes into garbage.

You can't fix that. Prequel love was forged through second wave hate by rlm shills and we're still here.

>>211429826 (OP)

To continue with what I was saying before, KK has been the absolutely worst steward of the brand that could ever exist. Another indictment is re-releasing the original print of 77', which Lucas expressly did not want to be seen, that is how much she hates the guy she used to get coffee for.

You will never turn around the image of sequels for simple reason Disney will keep churning out schlock that will continue to devalue the brand and this is no better shown than by large budget, bloated tv projects that are either dead or barely made a dent in anything quantifiable. That being new subs for Disney plus, or money to make up for the budgets...or anything really, did Andor move the needle at all?

>>211429826 (OP)
>Is it true that the prequels were as hated as the sequels?
No. Most any assertion about "general consensus" is complete and total bullshit because shitlennials are stunted creatures that need comfort in consensus so they can't have any opinions of their own.
That said, Jar Jar had complaints, as did Anakin, and Midichlorians. AOTC had trash dialogue and yoda jumping was recieved with mixed opinions; ROTS had DO NOT WANT and younglings and some stupid shit (most of the problems were the third act). They were passable and entertaining flicks regardless of their flaws.

>>211429826 (OP)
Everyone knew the prequels had problems

>>211429826 (OP)
>late zoomer
You're 15? gtfo kid

>>211429826 (OP)
they were hated by the star wars fans, yeah. Casual people not as much, they weren’t invested, and just want to sit in front of a screen and have something to talk about on monday. For the real fans though, there has never been as much excitement for a new movie as Phantom Menace. The John Williams Dual of Fates was in all the trailers, Darth Maul seemed cool, the fights looked awesome. I had only been waiting a few years, but some had waited since 1983. It was shocking, it hadn’t crossed my mind that George Lucas could actually be shit at making movies. They had him on the start of the VHS special edition tapes talking about making the movies, and it all seemed to be attributed to him like he was some sort of god. I didn’t know he simply got the credit from the hard work of many others, and that all of the projects would have been better without him. With the sequels, people knew they could be shit, because the prequels had already been defecated out. It was disappointing, but it wasn’t from the high to low that the prequels were, not even close.

>>211437560

>All projects would have been better off without him

All of evidence contradicts you, why has starwars been shit, regressed or flopped without him. We have tons of non-lucas starwars now, and starwars tv shows are being cancelled, movies flopping and all sorts of failed merch, campaigns.

The High Republic. need I say more?


Thank you, thank you, I'll take your suicide in the corner over there.

>>211435827
my dad grew up with the terrible Batman series from the 60’s. He still watches it to this day, because he is like you. He can’t grow up. You can’t separate the experience you had as a child, from the actual product. So you make yourself a slave to it, white knight to a shity brand that even Lucas doesn’t care about. You are the caretaker of George’s bowel movements, and I’ll never not find that absolutely hilarious. Flame on you crazy coprophiliac, flame on.

>>211437815
Adam West Batman is great. You don't get it. The whole thing is self-aware camp.

>>211429826 (OP)
The biggest gripe was the space political gobbledygook and how cheezy it was.
It still did a serviceable job setting up the original movies. The sequels were suppose to be a return to the originals, a bridge between generations of fans, and an homage but instead turned into a hateful letter to old school fans and the characters themselves.
The Force Awakens was chided for being too samey to A New Hope and I think a lot of people regret shitting on that aspect so hard because completely abandoned the fun of that movie.
I doubt anyone will think back fondly on most o the sequels because they were huge missteps that didn't even try to have something worth looking back on.

>>211437815
We're going to win.

>>211435603
>Yep, but that was mostly by Star Wars shitlords who couldn't handle kid vader being a kid
The sequel hate was mostly by incels who couldn't handle a female lead.
>All 3 movies are heading towards what is the original trilogy, so they had rails they had to stick to
Already having an endpoint is the ONLY thing the prequel storyline has going for it, otherwise it's even more contradictory than the sequels and with much less of an excuse.

>>211429826 (OP)
Prequel movies themselves sucked but eu of the era was great with games, comics, books and cartoons fleshing it out very well.
Sequels also suck but this time eu is just content on milking ot nostalgia because they know that the sequel era is unsalvageable and can't contain good or interesting stories.

>>211429826 (OP)
I can see the Last Jedi being appreciated more in the future. It did have a few things to say. A decent part of its failings also come from the way it followed up on episode 7, which becomes more forgivable as time goes on and you can appreciate it as its own film.

Force awakens was liked when it came out, but it'll only become less liked as time goes on because all it had going for it, even back then, was not being the prequels, and mystery boxes that we know in hindsight weren't paid off.

9, i didn't bother watching. Maybe it gets a second look as being so messy and self-indulgent it circles around to being watchable.

>>211429826 (OP)
The main difference is that prequel hate was encouraged by media and even big name actors got in on it putting references to how bad the films were in other media. Where as the media and actors run protection for the sequels and calls everybody who hates them Nazis.
But as other posters have said, kids liked the prequels and it generated a lot of spinoffs that were well liked, which can not be said for the sequels.

>>211429826 (OP)
Prequel era was a multimedia giant where, even if you didn't like the movies, you found something to enjoy.
Compare to the absolute dearth of the sequel era. No one is going to be fondly looking back to then.

>>211429826 (OP)
>Is it true that the prequels were as hated as the sequels?
I loved them as a kid, and other kids loved it too. I didn't meet anyone who hated them until I started browsing the internet in my teens.

>Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?
No. For better or worse, people have always cared about the prequels. They were debated, dicussed and memed. You don't see the same thing for the sequels. They are not just bad, they are also bland movies that add nothing of value to Star Wars. Their fate is to be forgotten.

>>211441934
Jedi Outcast and Academy are the only solid ones on the list and they have their flaws (considering Raven made Soldier of Fortune and ST:VOY: Elite Force you'd think they could do gunplay but gunplay in JO/JA was ass to mediocre, lightsaber fights were solid however.

KotOR games are overrated as shit, solid D20 style but they took that great esoteric era and made it generic as shit. All the starship games were arcade trash, nothing like TIE Fighter (although that image is missing X-Wing Alliance, which was a solid game). Mary Sue Unleashed shouldn't be on the list.

Oh, I guess Republic Commando was a solid FPS, and the first Battlefront had a couple spectacular MP maps (I still think Rhen Var castle is one of the best designed MP capture point maps ever designed).

TIE Fighter, Dark Forces, Jedi Knight, and Rebellion mog that whole list.

>>211442212
>as a kid
Very big caveat.

>>211441816
You should kill yourself you retarded fucking faggot.

>>211442612
NTA but TLJ is easily the best of the sequel trilogy and a lot of the hate is reactionary from expectations.

>>211442714
>NTA but TLJ is easily the least bland of the sequel trilogy
ftfy and it's not a high bar.

>>211437922
>The Force Awakens was chided for being too samey to A New Hope
At the time, I let that slide because they at least left some bits in the movie that could be expanded on
However, as they never did that, TFA being so samey became more of a problem than before

>>211442714
Can you believe this reddit cuck cried to the jannies? Why would a faggot like you even come to 4chan?

>invoking outside sites
Go back and stay.

>>211443044
You're a fucking underage tourist

>>211429826 (OP)
>Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?
Nope
The prequels are one of the greatest trilogies of all time, that still generates meaningful discussion to this day. It's only hated by a vocal minority of talentless and evil gen x boomers.

The sequel trilogy is just jewish subversion, there is nothing more needs to be said.

>>211442714
TLJ is easily the worst movie of the 2010s, closely followed by the Farce Awakens

>>211443139
>The sequel trilogy is just jewish subversion, there is nothing more needs to be said.
This. It's unbelievable that's there are pieces of human garbage in this thread defending that fifth.

>>211443082
4chan 20 years 25 yo when found it. Back then there were legitimate grievances with SA goons but they weren't invoked every fucking post unlike you migration era fucksticks who can't get your previous homes out of your headspace and invoke them every time another poster dares to have a slightly different opinion than your consensus-addicted shitlennial minds can form.

Kill yourselves already.

>>211429826 (OP)
I was the target demo for them (little kid going on middle school) and enjoyed them all thoroughly, with Phantom taking the crown, possibly because of the age-match with young Anakin resonating with me or because I had it to rewatch on VHS but I was completely free of the cultural lens of Boomer manchildren creaming themselves over le Star Wars sequel and thank god. Ultimately boys got a fun space laser opera and their nostalgic dads got that for their ticket price. Prequels are classic kino. Deal with it.

>>211429826 (OP)
>>211429704

>>211431135
>hated your parents for making you wear a seatbelt
if you're not excitedly buckling up as a toddler there's something wrong with you

Prequel hate is complicated. There are many different subsects of it.

When TPM first dropped in 1999, it was well liked by younger star wars fans around ~12 years old or younger. Most older fans were disappointed by/hated it, and amongst the most die-hard fans you had the "normie" hardcore fans who felt hugely betrayed and hated it and the turbo hardcore deepcel fans who read EU shit that liked it for the worldbuilding. The media elite/monoculture film critic community despised it for what were mostly sound/logical arguments and reasons. The general public was interested in seeing it but apathetic with the end-result, and went along with all the hate it got in the media at large because it was popular to do. This only exacerbated with AOTC. Meanwhile, the prequel era saw a huge growth of Star Wars due to very successful toys, games, comics, books, merchandise, etc.. So while they movies were generally seen as meh to bad save for a smallish diehard community, the star wars community was still healthy and growing.

With ROTS, you had a large segment of the normie population and anti-prequel die-hards that came around to it while the media elite were more apathetic to it and not as overtly hostile. Star Wars then fell into a status quo after where it continued to do well, though not enormously well, and fans came to gradually accept the prequel status quo.

The RLM reviews ultimately revived popular prequel hurt in the post-ROTS-era and was able to expertly and humorously point out just what was wrong with the movies on a technical and storytelling level. Old fans who felt betrayed by TPM way back when were reinvigorated, kids who grew up liking the prequels were swayed by the arguments. Burgenoning social media and youtube saw every star wars discussion with someone linking the RLM reviews with "I'll just leave this here ;). It became impossible to resist.

End of Part 1

Part 2

The 2009-2015 era was probably the peak of prequel hate where nobody even really defended them anymore and to do so got you heavily mocked, even in the most diehard of SW fandoms. It thrived especially on reddit and in comment sections on youtube/imdb (before it died) and the media establishment that had been so upset by TPM/AOTC in the early 2000s latched back onto it in a form of nostalgic hate. By this point, the EU had also been developing their own mythology and while it had a small but dedicated reader base, stuff that got leaked from it into the general public (like the Yuuzhan Vong or Han Solo’s kid turning evil or overly-developing the backstories of various irrelevant OT characters). Feloni’s 2008 Clone Wars series ultimately proved irrelevant at pushing the narrative one way or the other, it was met with a lot of disdain in the remaining SW fandom for retconning so much and introducing Ahsoka and disinterest in the general public for being a TV cartoon.

Into this came Disney, and their purchase and retconning of the EU and anti-prequel mindset (driven by aforementioned media elites who had by this point been heavily inspired by the RLM videos) indeed served to reinvigorate Star Wars by announcing a new trilogy. JJ Abrams himself pretty much used the RLM videos point by point when crafting TFA, and then combining it into the script of Episode 4. TFA was well-received by the public despite tons of flaws, bad casting, and simply recycling A New Hope. Even the majority of fans save the most diehard (often EU refugees) were happy with it. If you criticized it at the time, you were met with claims that Star Wars needed a reset because the prequels had been so bad and if you don’t believe me here’s a link to the RLM review vids I’ll just leave those there. Such was its popularity that it was the highest grossing Star Wars film since the original 1977 film and the 10th highest grossing film of all time, EVEN WHEN adjusted for inflation.

Part 3

But by this point the Obama-era had transitioned into the Trump-era, and all media was rapidly becoming hyper-partisan. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Jonson decided to turn Star Wars into a new political messaging tool and ostracize fans which they now saw as too old, too male, too problematic. This ultra-2016 mindset of going to war with your own fanbase as a reaction to the Trump presidency culminated in The Last Jedi, whose entire message was a meta one about how bad it is to have cared about a fictional universe and how problematic said fictional universe was. The plot, world, designs, lore were all not just actively secondary but deliberately undermined to look and be stupid. When someone pointed out the star destroyer at the beginning had shields and so should the resistance bombers, Rian said he knew that but deliberately wanted neither to have shields to show how impractical, ineffective, and stupid the whole concept of Star Wars space combat was. The plotholes of the movie were self-aware and replaced with an irreverent Marvel humor. You were a stinky stupid nerd if you cared about who Snoke was or if x didn’t make any sense, it’s a space wizard movie for kids! Older characters were humiliated and killed and Disney’s newer version introduced as replacements, to surely draw in new fans, push out the problematic old ones, and rebrand Star Wars into a suitable mouthpiece for anti-Trump resistance.

There were no new fans, there was no “modern audience” to replace the fans driven away. Star Wars, while broadly popular in the public, was ultimately still niche and fan-driven in terms of who actually consumed it. General audiences soon lost interest with Star Wars after TLJ, with the franchise no longer having anywhere interesting to go and entertainment now becoming driven by social media and less by old mega-IPs.

Part 4

The fans that had fed Star Wars since 1999 got the message and left, realizing there was no more future. Rian deliberately made TLJ to be hated, but Disney soon found that the hatred was replaced with apathy towards Star Wars that has yet to been cured. Worse yet, the hate towards TLJ was very different from the prequels in that if you hated it you were labeled a bad person and Trump supporter/nazi/racist. Star Wars became swept up in the greater culture war of Trump’s first term where all media had to be hyper-partisan to prevent his re-election, a strategy that cannibalized what remained of the Star Wars fandom.

This is ultimately the point Star Wars history ends, with the release of TLJ. The entire franchise died the night of its release and nothing else has mattered. Everything has come out after has become irrelevant and simply fighting against the tide. Nobody cares anymore. Star Wars went from the biggest IP in history to a second-rate streaming property that most people don’t care about. Beyond a few progressive internet activists still shilling the apparent genius of TLJ, there are no defenders of it left.

End

>>211429826 (OP)
Most people didn't hate the prequels. That's absurd. They were just fucking boring. I remember my friend describing going to see episode 3 as "well we might as well". I literally fell asleep in the theater. I was a fuckin kid and I never took naps.

>>211429826 (OP)
I loved the prequels but hated Anakin massacring the younglings. Because of that scene I did not defend the prequels and stopped praising the prequels.

>>211429826 (OP)
The prequels were goofy but earnest and were low key disclosure that revealed a LOT of bad shit that was going on.

Which is the REAL reason it was shat on as hard as it was. It was litterally just a child friendly disney movie for children teens and adults who wanted to watch a childrens's show.

The Sequels litterally spit in the face of everyone who every like star wars. And I don't understand why.

The only one that had any real substance or attempted to talk about star wars in a really cool way was the last jedi, but they hated it because the obvious flamer black dude and the uglied up asian chick took up too much time and the stupid as hell slow space chase.

The entire thing needed a few years to cook, not JJ Abrams going on a coke fueled bender and tarding on for two movies

>>211443706
>The Sequels litterally spit in the face of everyone who every like star wars
That's what they said about the prequels. You're just the new old people.

>>211435827
So TRVE sister!

>>211443717
blatantly false. they complained about jar jar and the gungans' accent and that's it.

>>211443831
troll

>>211443717
To be honest, I just thought it was goofy fun and was dissapointed in the actual story progression and relaitionships,
I REALLY liked the political stuff though and would have liked more of that then the relationship stuff.

I also was just reacting to all of the prequels suck stuff and just wanted to get in on it. But in hindsite I thought they were dumb but harmless child aimed fun.

I was more upset that it wasn't great rather then just a good kids movie.

>>211443869
>I also was just reacting to all of the prequels suck stuff and just wanted to get in on it.
You fucking disgust me.

>>211429826 (OP)
>Late zoomer here
Aren't you a little young to be a chudtrooper posting on 4chan?
>Is it true that the prequels were as hated as the sequels?
No. Sequels were hated much more
>Do you think the sequels are going to be treated like that in the near future?
No. Sequel related Star Wars content is completely dead, the shows that take place 5 or so years after RoTJ are barely related to them.

>>211443971
He's an underage redditfag who cries to the jannies

Hard to quantify, because truth to be told I am detached from Sequels.
I am of the generation that technically "grew up" with Prequels but I think I saw the originals first (on TV, the only Star Wars film I have seen in the theater is The Clone Wars animated one lmao).
The thing with prequels is that it brought in a lot of original designs, such as the whole of TradeFed/CIS and built on top of the Stormtrooper mythos by combining it with Bobba Fett in the form of Clone Troopers.
There were some designs that were shared, but in so far as to establish continuity between Republic Era and the Empire Era.

Sequels on the other hand, from what I have seen, have introduced barely anything novel and mostly remixed OT designs.
Sequels pretty much dumpstered the whole EU and both directions.
I don't know what effect Prequels had on the EU, but I am pretty sure most of it stayed intact or received varying degrees of retcon.
Prior to prequels there was a lot more "dark Jedi" and less "Sith"?

And apparently Sequels just don't have any big works besides the films. All the new shit that people rave about like the Jedi Order game and the Andor show all takes place between Prequels and Originals or slightly after the Originals?

Basically, whatever people thought about Prequels it gave people material to work with while Sequels seem to have done none of that.

>>211429826 (OP)
There is nothing and I mean nothing redeemable about the sequels. Disney should write them out of canon

>>211429826 (OP)

It was more disappointment than hate, the prequels are too boring to hate I think.
People would latch on to the few great moments and try to ignore all the bad.

>>211441934
The middle row is peak of Star Wars vidya.

>>211444144
Only “boring” one was episode 1

the prequels were the first nad star wars trilogy so people were shocked and more vocal about their hate

the sequels being shitty was obvious in hindsight since they were made by Disney so people weren't as shocked

>>211429826 (OP)
>Is it true that the prequels were as hated
only in muttmerica

>>211444218
The moment they announced JJ as the director everyone should know what a steaming pile of shit he will deliver after how he fucked up Star Trek

>>211429826 (OP)
No. No. And die choking on your own shit.

>>211429826 (OP)
The prequels on the whole were and are probably actually hated more than the sequels (I say on the whole because people fucking despised TLJ, but were more neutral with respect to the other 2).
The prequels are able to have a renaissance however because, for as much shit was in there that made older fans pissed off, it also had tons of shit that really appealed to people who weren't hyperautistic about star wars. Podracing, more space dogfights, the clone troopers and all their cool tech fighting alongside the jedi, grievous, etc.
That shit is fucking awesome and brought a lot of people back into the fold after some reevaluation of the prequels in recent years.
The sequels have nothing. They don't do anything fun, really. The characters are total flatlines. We don't get sprawling, epic action scenes that remind you why the series is called "star wars."
This is why people tend to not hate the sequels, but also not love them either. They're just kind of nothing, and it's hard to have any opinion on them one way or another. The prequels are at least in your face with how insane and over-the-top they are, which will naturally be polarizing.

>>211434574
>A lot of old internet content's been wiped/lost
No one's ever really gone

>>211429826 (OP)
Revenge of the sith is pretty good, the first prequel was ruined by the child actor and jaja binks, the second one was mid.
The sequels are unwatchable garbage.

>>211445855
Abrams killed Star Wars.
Kennedy and Disney have been shocking the corpes in hopes of fooling people into thinking involuntary movements of a dead body are signs of life.