Thread 211449867

of course, it's a timeless masterpiece

>>211449867 (OP)
It's so fucking disgusting.

>>211449867 (OP)
I still come back to it now, it's too fucking good. Amazing graphics, incredible setpieces, emotional beats and pacing, it's all perfect.

>theaticral release: hoomans bad natives good
>extended cut: Quaritch is a false flagging kike that sends innocent miners to die on purpose so his jew overlords can have their war
hmmm

>>211452154
>Quaritch is a false flagging kike that sends innocent miners to die on purpose so his jew overlords can have their war
I don't recall that

it looked bad even at the time

>>211452212
The avatar program was a big sham. Jake was never to negotiate a peace treaty. Quaritch sent him to collect intel. Once Jake gives him all the info he needs, Quaritch immediatly arranges a return trip for him thats why his demenear changes when Jake still wants to stay. Grace even explains that they sent the bulldozer team to the sacred tree site on purpose to provoke a response to make the natives look like blood thirsty savages. In the extended release they show gruesome remains of the massacred bulldozer crew. There was even a deleted scene where Quaritch smirks to the boss guy that their plan worked. The original messaging of the movie was anti coporation but I guess the tiny hollywood hats wanted humanity as a whole blamed for greed as usual

>>211451348

No way they didnt have steamy sex after this scene, that kiss was way too passionate.

>>211452536
Oh yes, she LOVES white boys

>>211452529
>Jake was never to negotiate a peace treaty
well, he was, but after many months of trying, Jake says himself that there is literally nothing that will get the Na'vi to do what the humans want. They will never leave Hometree since it's that supremely important to them. And they couldn't care less about the trinkets humans have to offer. So the only other option to accomplish the corporation's mission is to attack

>>211452833
I would argue the death of Jake's twin brother was arranged by the company. They clearly don't have moral qualms about killing their own to push a narritive. Destroying a natural wonder like the biggest tree on the planet is also a giga jew move

>>211449867 (OP)
>Dances With Wolves in SPPPPPPAAAAACCCCEEEE

>>211452939
I want Jake's bro to come back as recom heel. They could do with a scientist villain

>>211449867 (OP)
Based, bro(tha)

>>211449867 (OP)
Jake has that power.

>>211452939
>Destroying a natural wonder like the biggest tree on the planet
Especially when the scientist is trying to tell them that the network is something real and powered by the metal they want. A real living God-being that they can communicate with and watches over the planet. You'd think that when the humans saw Jake actually permanently transferred his consciousness into the Avatar that they'd stop and say that was more valuable than anything ever and they wanted it!

Speaking of, I wonder why the other Avatars didn't transfer their minds too? Like maybe Norm. They could never go back to Earth.

>>211453116
>I wonder why the other Avatars didn't transfer their minds too?
omaticaya said no

>>211453250
Pretty sure the only reason the entire scientist branch defected was because their program was getting canned. Jake is the only one that went full tree hugger.

>>211453250
>>211453338
Eywa said yes to Grace, she just died before it could finish. She should at least let Norm. And the others sacrificed to protect the Na'vi too

>>211454288
Norm thought Kiri had an epileptic seizure when it was clearly some esoteric reaction to being inside Eywa. He doesn't See so he can't become a na'vi

>>211454351
That part was dumb. Cameron ditched all the growth Norm had made and removed any character arc for him. I guess he's just there to collect a paycheck for a few minutes screentime now

>>211451348
Perfection.

>>211451348
>>211457394

Reminder that there are DEEP story resonances throughout. Jake just got his dragon, and the dragon and the person must "choose" each other, that is, choose to fight, to dance. Likewise, Jake and Ney freely choose each other. How do you know that the two of you are meant for each other? The other will try to kill you.

Neytiri, just like the Ikran, the very first thing that each of them does, is to LITERALLY try to kill Jake. In both cases, each bond is confirmed by this initial enmity. This detail is so important that the two joke about it with their kids in the opening minutes of the sequel, reminding the audience of it.

The actual, unironic best thing about Avatar is its story structure. No one pays attention to details, and it's sad.

>>211449867 (OP)
in the final battle why did they send in marines when it was just a bombing run? It feels like they were literally just there so we could have a shot of them being trampled by the alien dinosaurs.

>>211457607

Their immediate concern is to prevent the natives (who have been massing in large numbers, about 2000 at the time of the battle) from overrunning their base. The idea of the mission is a pre-emptive strike which will both kill a lot of natives and also provide massive demoralization. The ground forces would presumably do clean up work, killing fleeing natives and/or downed dragon flyers.

The native strength was 2000, or "15 clans". This works out to about 133 able-bodied fighters per clan. This number itself is interesting from the anthropological view, as it seems to correspond to a viable size for a traditional, tribal human community or small settlement: perhaps about 150 or 200 individuals, or at least several dozen, with the elderly and children being left behind with a few guards.

>>211457607
It was supposed to be mopping up operations plus establishing a perimeter free of hostiles. Then they'd send in the digging equipment

>>211457607
Well they did do their job and mop up the navi ground forces. No one expected the voodoo tree to summon a starcraft zerg.

>>211457607
So they can say YEAH GET SOME

>>211459167
>POM POM POM POM POM POM POM POM POM POM POM POM

culturally irrelevant.
Nobody cares

>>211451348
Imagine prime Zoe looking into your eyes like that. Now imagine she's 7 foot tall and blue

Very boring movies

>>211457599
Reading this in Jordan Peterson's voice

>>211449867 (OP)
>yet barely any cultural impact
Sure the movies look good but they're easily forgettable

>>211449867 (OP)
>Holds up in narrative
Literally Pocahontas (which has its own laundry list of racist, sexist problems) in space

>>211460051
you think I haven't been thinking about that for that last 16 years?
Also Neyney is about 9 feet tall

>>211459167
Lyle was based. Him and Quaritch gonna duke it out next movie

I have never seen it and probably never will

>>211449867 (OP)
>Holds up in narrative
Okay, this is bait.

>>211463402
Jake cums in this every night

>>211462919
It's the best and most original franchise of the last couple decades. There are some movies that share minor similarities so fucking what? Not a single creative work ever was completely different from everything else. It's fine to borrow and there's things known as tropes that are common to stories. Part three is gonna be wild!

>>211460051
>Prime Zoe comes into your trailer
>She finally sees "The Real You"
>Neytiri: Oh um... so that's what you truly look like huh? Um, I have to go now, uh, tribe things and stuff, thanks for helping save my people!

>>211453116
>when the humans saw Jake actually permanently transferred his consciousness into the Avatar
that's impossible
at best you can hope to copy your mind to a new body

>>211463863
it's clearly not impossible, eywa did it
and the consciousnesses of the na'vi live in eywa

>>211451348
Based.

>>211463986
Neytiri's cute expressive ears!

>>211463922
again it would be coping at best
what happens to the original mind? it gets erased? well congrats you just killed the original so replica can pretend to be one

>>211464144
the original brain dies
the mind goes to eywa, and eywa moves the mind into the avatar body
we see the same thing happen with dead na'vi, they're buried in a tree so that the roots can move to the brain, and the mind is taken into eywa. It's possible that all na'vi are actually reincarnated in the same way grace is

>>211451420
It's a fucking masterpiece. Kino par excellence.

>>211464144
No, it's literally the only way to truly move a consciousness from one organic body to another. You can't do it digitally. That was the whole thing explored in The Way of Water. Jake and Grace were truly transferred although Grace went into Kiri. Quaritch was copied and is a new person. He's still upset at his old self and coming to terms with existing as a giant blue alien.

need blue mommy

Netty will be back in avatar 3 and make Neyney happy

am i a furry for liking this

>>211465874
no, NANC

wife

>>211466140
Damn she even got that animation style movement down to a tee.

>>211457607
Aura farming.

>>211466190
which movie will Tuk be grown?

>>211469051

>Jake Sully
>sullies and messes things up for the Na'vi
>Neytiri
>is a pretty pretty princess
>Quaritch
>is quarrelsome, difficult
>eytukan
>is a wizened old oak-tree sort of guy, in charge of a big tree
>Selfridge
>is selfish and greedy
>Lo'ak
Is low status, the disfavored middle child
>Tuk
>is constantly getting took

>>211465874
uh unfortunately yeah

>>211463773
The entire last third of the movie still blows me aways.


People seem to forget that this was in 2009 and the CGI is so fucking good that you can see every flake of paint and the texture of her skin.

>>211464144
>again it would be coping at best
>what happens to the original mind? it gets erased? well congrats you just killed the original so replica can pretend to be one

>>211470874
It really is fantastic. I think the whiners don't understand the level of effort it takes. And just take it for granted. They don't seem to think about what they're seeing when they watch Avatar. To them, it must be AI and a computer just spits out everything on the screen. When it really so perfectly merged cgi and live action that you can't tell the different most times

If only Jake had taught Neytiri how to shoot through glass just a bit sooner huh?

if Eywa is real how come bad things happen?

>>211472078
eywa isn't all powerful

>>211472078
Neytiri says: "Our Great Mother does not take sides." She just preserves. You follow the laws she laid out, and she maintains the Eden you live in. If that means you get eaten by a hungry Thanator, then that is the way of things. She's not there to treat you like a perpetual baby.

>Man betrays race to clap alien cheeks
what did James Camron mean by this?

human girls can't compete

>>211473465
"Have sex, incel".
But you didn't, why not?

>>211473465
that rationalist are traitors

8/10 that coulda been a near 10/10 with some of the deleted scenes restored like the ayahuasca sequence, Neytiri going feral in the final battle or some of the scenes with Quaritch and the supervisor. Too bad Cameron wrote whats basically a 4+ hour script

>>211457607
The final battle had multiple parts in the original cut. Originally, the humans manage to release some of the compound and carpet bomb a large perimeter area on the ground, and then the ground troops go in after and clean it up with flamethrowers. Additionally there was also a part where the human base gets overrun intercut into it all as well. The battle was overall just more brutal too in the script and some cut scenes.

>>211449867 (OP)
>can't even be arsed to get basic planetary science right for all of its technical prowess and human-blaming sophistry
This is the only part where it falls apart.

>>211449867 (OP)
Unreal had the better soundtrack and arguably more diverse and colorful set pieces.

>>211463684
A narrative "holding up" for 16 years is not impressive actually.

>>211459167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wHZr2gPAvs

>>211479460
kek

>>211451348
Such a beautiful movie. It will be celebrated for decades to come.

>>211473465
boomer moment

>>211469051
she will be 13 in avatar 4 and 5. Maybe they'll show adult Tuk at the end of avatar 5?

>>211449867 (OP)
very organic thread

>>211463684
fix your 4k upscales james

I wish they were more catlike

>>211484750
I said I wish they were silly, not that they are

>>211449867 (OP)
Any behind the scenes info on how they did the planet shots from space? Did they ever publish the color map for Pandora?

>>211451348
wtf the blue aliens are black coded??? Bros ... I didn't realize we have to watch behind the scene to get the right media literacy value.

>>211484798
they shouldn't be

>>211449867 (OP)
Last Samurai but with blue cats

>>211449867 (OP)
Orbital bomb those blue fucks into death I've never watched the movie but /tv/ threads kill them all why directly confront them bomb their food. Bomb their energy. Bomb their hospitals. Bomb their children. Bomb their stupid fucking houses and kill them all

>>211449867 (OP)
>Muh magic macguffin
>Muh noble savages

>>211485729
no "muh" about it when it's true, savages are noble, and macguffins are magical

>>211485761
virus bomb those blues fucks into death. we could have killed them with our germs. Kill them fucking all

>>211485729
>>211485761
samefag

>>211485645
>>211485817
You hfy fags are so embarrassing

>>211484731
>9 feet tall
I don't think I can satisfy her

>>211484750
yeah but how important are they?

>>211486608
have a blanket blue cunt. breathe in the spores and what does hfy mean

>>211486888
Orbital bombing. then sub orbital bombardment followed by high altitude bombing then go to low level bombing then the attack helicopters then the virus bomb. Wait 2 months for the gas to clear and boots on the ground no survivors kill them all. If they resist democracy, withdraw the troops and bomb again

Burn their air so they cannot breathe but we can. your on the ground spasming in 21% oxygen? lol

>>211451348
cinema is fucking dead

>>211486976
>hfy
Stands for "humanity fuck yeah"

A subgenre where annoying fags jerk off how humans are always "DA BESTEST".

usually overlap with 40ktards

>>211487109
They don't breathe oxygen


>>211487050
Can't do that because the RDA would get raped back home
All you fags just keep coping and sucking off a fictitious evil corporation, it's not pathetic at all

>>211487109
>>211487574
The atmospheric composition values given for Pandoa makes no sense whatsoever in the first place anyway. I mean seriously that much Xenon and Hydrogen Sulfide? Wtf? It would be easier to just raise the oxygen concentration to values higher than is safe for humans instead if you want the drama of an tozic atmosphere for humans with megaflora and megafauna.

>>211485761
>it was real in my head so it must be true in reality
kek

>>211453034
i like how physique maxxed he became by the moment of the final battle
when he just started and in Way of Water he looked out of shape

>search Avatar on Pinterest
>almost all James Cameron material
Culture status?

>>211449867 (OP)
James only does projects that are covers for the US Gov and CIA. Titanic the film was to locate a nulear submarine missing, made a whole film to cover it. Its why James has a "passion" for the ocean. Great way to pilfer funds to a black book project. Avatar was facial recognition among other tech for gov surveillance

>>211488929
>paragraphs of cope so he can sleep at night

>>211488929
I still want to know how despite apparently developing the script at the same time Avatar managers to have so many parallels to Unreal and Sid Meyer's Alpha Centarui.

>>211485645
Calm down, Benjamin

The next movie will have the exact same plot as the previous 2, but in a volcanic island inhabited by evil fire Na'vi or something. What magical substance that justifies the humans' presence on Pandora will be next in the series? Will the bad guy from the previous 2 movies return, somehow? So many questions! What are next?

>>211489311
bruv, no ones cares, Avatar is probably way better that's why it got made

>>211489587
Who cares just have fun, the films are great escape, specially with all the israel je shit going on in the world, plus there's no wokery, and a strong white male lead

>>211449867 (OP)
>>holds up in narrative and CGI
anon, i dont how to tell you this

>>211488849
Not out of shape. Dad bod.

>>211490922
it's better in motion there's no point posting a still if you're capturing it off your potato device, I have this film on 4K Blu Ray and watch it often, I know for fact this is 420p youtube conversion at less than 24 frames

>>211490922
It's weird you think looking at random still images proves your point in any way as if that's how cgi in a movie in intended to be watched. It's like capturing one frame of an actress mid expression and saying see I told you she was ugly! But I'm sure you'd do such a dumb thing too.

>>211490963
>>211491122
cope
that shit looked garbage then and looks garbage now and doesn't hold up at all.

>>211491122
It's funny because that's actually a low quality capture through compression too so he's not posting a viable capture.

>>211491151
There's no cope I own sevreal versions including the 3D version on Blu Ray you posted a doctored image, I work in VFX so there's no point lying. You've been caught. Nice try though.

>>211490922
>Deleted scene
>Not optimized
nice try faggot

>>211491188
>you posted a doctored image
levels of cope that shouldn't even be possible. I screen-grabbed it myself

>>211491151
This is a real screen cap and holdsup better than anything thats coming out.

>>211491226
>a new cope arrives
>nvm it's shit because it's not in the theater version
avaretards truly next level idiots. go consume your slop but never ever try to sell us the cgi holds up

>>211491247
Even worse what software did you use because the compression ruins the image.

>>211490922
KEK.
Cameron is an hack

>holds up in narrative
It's just Pocahontas in space

>>211491278
>>211491296
>but never ever try to sell us the cgi holds up
b-but the CGI does hold up

>>211490922
This kind of looks like Star Wars prequels

>>211491338
>Pocahontas
What's this? What's a pocahontas?

>>211449867 (OP)
PS3 cutscenes: the movie.

>>211491355
Not at that poverty tier laptop resolution

>>211491278
how does Cameron do it? Fucking gorgeous, I don't think there's a film to memory that holds up like this

>>211490922
oh no no no no no

>>211491406
Perfect subsurface scattering
Perfect volumetric lighting
Perfect Design
Perfect composition
Perfect render
Prefect screencap from a moving scene
Perfection

>>211491443
>Prefect screencap
Nope on that laptop lmao, try again without being poor

>>211491387
Colonizers arrive on new land trying to get hold of their resources while a colonizer get in love with one of the native woman while they struggle to not get killed

>>211491375
Avatar is better than all Star Wars media if you had to ask anyone not from here.

>>211459167
Every role this actor plays is very based.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFSdVIb44A

>>211488849
right is hotter tbf

>>211493980
>Wakey wakey Colonel, time for some rape!

>>211449867 (OP)
Someone post the jew star from Avatar 2 please

>>211488929
He's got such an ego but he hits it out the park so it works.

>>211471189
I wish they were real. Disney should at least make a real Samson. They can afford it.

>>211497863
The best part about Cameron's designs is everything is plausible and based on decent engineering for the most part. The ISV's are well designed and realistic for a huge space vessel. Same with the Sea Dragon. I wouldn't put it past Cameron from making an enormous real ekranoplane to drive around

>>211473465
>Man regains ability to use his legs and claps alien cheeks
ftfy

there's an appalling lack of na'vi porn

>>211449867 (OP)
Can we officially designate Avatar as the most Indian franchise ever?

>>211451420
...on opposite day.

>>211449867 (OP)
>olds up in narrative
It was always shit
>>211498210
>The best part about Cameron's designs...
True. A pity about the movie itself

>>211499859
There are multiple billies living in India and every Avatar movie makes multiple billies, so sure, you can say that. Very complimentary.

>>211499804
Na'vi are for pure, not for degeneracy

>>211499859
No way.

>>211493130
>Avatar is better than all Star Wars media if you had to ask anyone not from here.
100%

Just 2 movies in and already Cameron has outdone the original SW trilogy. Which is just some oddball boomer curiosity at this point.

>>211501379
>>211500487
Saars...

>>211491188
I love the 3D version. Just incredible.

>>211488849
He looks better in Way of Water

AVATAR$

>>211491548
bruv this looks like some ancient animation, I'll stick with avatar but you enjoy your cartoon

>>211490867
>bruv, no ones cares
Literally years and years of discussion on people immediately noticing but ok

>>211488929
>>211490867
>>211490897
>posting fake quotes
jimbo would disapprove

>>211501742
Sold more in America, with France second. India? 128.

>>211491338
>>211491548
Not only did Pocahontas do it first, but it also looks far better and more timeless than Avatar. The Disney renaissance films have aged like the finest wine. I can't even imagine how much of a tasteless turbopleb one would have to be to think Avatar looks better.

I haven't watched Avatar 2 still. Should I?

I love the scene where Polythemus eclipses Alpha Centauri

>>211506455
Digits don't lie, you should.

>>211506896
It's 3 fucking hours long. I am not really sure I should.

>>211507364
Imagine the size of the Blu-Ray

>>211506896
>HOLY SHIT A PS2 CUTSCENE
Very impressive saar

>>211507976
It's actually not that much. ~40GB. Shit's nothing. Every single LOTR film is 61+GB.

>>211508057
Guess I might have to buy that blu-ray drive for my pc after all... my 14tb drive is gonna fill up fast torrenting all of the films I want
Let's hope the discs don't rot any time soon

>>211507993
I swear, people who glaze the Avatar movies have never played a single video game. I'm not saying gaming is a cool hobby or anything, but if you have played even something as basic and mainstream as Halo, Avatar doesn't seem all that mind-blowing by comparison.

>>211508656
NTA but I can still appreciate a good graphical showcase while still pointing out its flaws, I played through Unreal and Halo beforehand though so it didn't quite blow my mind from the idea standpoint (if you played the former you basically had a Pandora-like experience on Na Pali) so much as from the VFX standpoint for some shots.

>>211508656
>people who glaze the Avatar movies have never played a single video game.
Anon, the people who glaze Avatar are Boomers and Jeets. Boomers know nothing about vidya while Jeets only know about Chinese mobile games with big bobs.

Kneel

>>211507364
Don't act like you have anything better to do. You've already watched a couple dozen Marvel movies almost as long

>>211508656
>No one EVER talks about Avatar! Everyone forgot about it!
>goal post shift hard
>Ok, LOTS of people talk about it, but they totally have never played any video games which are sooo much better!

>>211509288
Yeah, what you're saying just confirms what I've been saying since Avatar was new. People who defended the movie could maybe concede that the plot was generic, but still claim that the world of Pandora was completely unique and different from anything that had ever been seen before, when similar worlds had been in video games for a decade at that point. It's just a bland film all around.

>>211509345
Makes sense.

>>211477987
>Neytiri going feral in the final battle
We got that in the second one at least. Great scene.

>>211510050
I'm not sure who you think I am, but that post you replied to was my first ITT. How could I be shifting the goalposts when it's my first post? I never claimed no one talks about it.

>>211449867 (OP)
I think they are purposely putting out shit movies just so we can all appreciate Cameron's genius even more. Avatar 3 is going to make 3 billion plus

>>211508202
Isn't more HDDs cheaper than discs?
You could also not be autistic and settle for a <10GB release.

>>211461166
Lyle is fucking dead. LOL. Unless they do another time skip I dont think they can have another avatar for him in time.

>>211500533
They are for tasteful nudes

>>211498210
You know he doesn't design this stuff right? He has people for that.

>>211510443
Lyle didn't die. Him and Quaritch are the only Recoms left alive at the end of Way of Water
>Later on the SeaDragon, Jake fought Recom Wainfleet while trying to rescue Kiri and Tuktirey. Jake managed to throw him off the side of the SeaDragon, and he is seen hitting part of the ship and falling underwater. He is the only confirmed member of Recom Quaritch's squad to survive after all the battles.

>>211473465
>Man escapes dystopian hellhole to explore beautiful alien planet worth defending
Come on, it's not that hard.