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Anonymous No.211452232 >>211452471 >>211452502 >>211455430 >>211471780 >>211473439 >>211474246
Atlas Shrugged
>entire cast changes every film
>eddie willers is always black
lol
Anonymous No.211452471 >>211452550 >>211452687 >>211455007
>>211452232 (OP)
No book has ever pissed me off more than Atlas Shrugged. Weeks reading that thousand plus page novel only for it to end in the most anticlimactic final chapter of all time.
Anonymous No.211452502 >>211463639 >>211474246
>>211452232 (OP)
>first movie: great
>second movie: okay.
>third (and supposed to be the most important movie, and the movie showing off galt's gulch) movie: shit
soooo disappointed.
Anonymous No.211452550
>>211452471
>No book has ever pissed me off more than Atlas Shrugged. Weeks reading that thousand plus page novel only for it to end in the most anticlimactic final chapter of all time.
I skipped the 100 pages in the middle when the author used John Galt to go on a rant about her beliefs. I was able to skip it and it didn't impact the book at all. Everything else was okay and only believable if the story takes place in the time period of which it was written.
Anonymous No.211452687 >>211452821 >>211452913 >>211461319
>>211452471
>read fountainhead for class, kinda like it
>decide to read atlas shrugged to see what it's about
>fun adventure with goofy comic book capitalists
>francisco starts talking about money
>10 pages later he hasn't stopped
>no one else is interjecting
>20 pages later he's still continuing
>uhh
>30 pages later he's finished
>fun goofy comic book capitalism resumes
>john galt starts talking about prime movers and leeches
>30 pages later he's still talking
>50 pages later he's still talking
>70 pages later he's still talking
>90 pages later he's still talking
I have PTSD over reading this
Anonymous No.211452775 >>211452850
How did all these capitalists and captains of industry grow food for themselves once they fucked off? Did they work the land and engage in animal husbandry themselves?
Anonymous No.211452821
>>211452687
It's definitely Ayn Rand at her most pedantic
Anonymous No.211452850 >>211452964 >>211453040
>>211452775
In the novel, yes. They did farm and get back to basics in Galt's Gulch
Anonymous No.211452913
>>211452687
It's a boomer power fantasy. Being able to rant for hours about much bootstraps without your pesky grandkids or the nurse interrupting you. You gotta be in the right mindset.
Anonymous No.211452964 >>211457800
>>211452850
I read the book around 2001 and always imagined Galt's gulch to look something like the Windows XP "bliss" background.
Anonymous No.211453040 >>211453113 >>211454585
>>211452850
So John Galt's big plan was to go be Amish? Fucking wild.
Anonymous No.211453113 >>211454585
>>211453040
No, it was just to withhold the technocrats long enough for society to realize how much they've been taking the ultra-wealthy for granted
Anonymous No.211454585 >>211454903
>>211453113
>>211453040
It was also a flex, like when your boss drops in and does your job and shows you it's easy to do and nothing
Anonymous No.211454903 >>211455382
>>211454585
I've never been flexed on that way.
Anonymous No.211455007 >>211455433 >>211460926
>>211452471
We The Living and Anthem are Ayn Rand's best but get no attention. We The Living would actually make a solid film.
Anonymous No.211455382
>>211454903
Happens to me on a monthly basis at minimum.
Anonymous No.211455430 >>211455465 >>211458752
>>211452232 (OP)
John Galt is up there with Van Helsing as being one of the worst literary characters of all time who kills the story dead the moment he shows up.
Anonymous No.211455433
>>211455007
There was an unauthorized version of We the Living made in Italy
Anonymous No.211455465
>>211455430
True - and made even funnier by the fact that the director of the awful films insisted on playing him himself
Anonymous No.211457800
>>211452964
lel
Anonymous No.211458752 >>211459020
>>211455430
How does Van Helsing do that?
Anonymous No.211459020 >>211460280
>>211458752
Protagonists against a frightening unknown enemy. There knowledge is sparse but they have a few leads and maybe, if they're extremely lucky, logical and wise they might just be able to defeat the villain.
Instead, Van Helsing shows up, knows everything about Dracula, uses ridiculous leaps of logic to parse the rest. Book becomes a straightforward clean up operation.
Anonymous No.211460280 >>211461234
>>211459020
They never had any chance of defeating Dracula, though.
Anonymous No.211460926 >>211463307
>>211455007
We The Living is my favorite work by Rand, due in part to the fact that it isn't 900 pages long.
Anonymous No.211461163 >>211461406 >>211465205 >>211466915
Ayn Rand's autism aside, how do you guys deal with the fact Libertarians were right about everything?
Government money printing(inflation) is out of control
Also Milei won and is actually fixing shit
Anonymous No.211461234 >>211461651
>>211460280
Harker surviving his first encounter with Dracula was already a huge boon. It's not too much of a stretch to say that they could have come to the conclusion on their own that they needed to desecrate Lucy's grave.

From Wikipedia because it's a while since I read it
>While Seward and Van Helsing are absent, Lucy and her mother are terrified by a wolf and Mrs. Westenra dies of a heart attack; Lucy dies shortly thereafter. After her burial, newspapers report children being stalked in the night by a "bloofer lady" (beautiful lady), and Van Helsing deduces it is Lucy. Seward, Morris, Arthur and Van Helsing go to her tomb and see that she is a vampire. They stake her heart, behead her, and fill her mouth with garlic.

Why couldn't they have staked out the grave on a whim, discovered it was Lucy and been completely shocked. Had some difficulty comprehending that their dead beloved had risen. Decided together they needed to kill it. Maybe failed the first time or underestimated the danger, etc.

Instead it's ass pull after ass pull from Van Helsing:
>knows garlic stops vampires (but doesn't tell anyone)
>reveals that vampires can only rest on earth from their homeland.
>Using hypnosis, Van Helsing exploits Mina's faint psychic connection to Dracula to track his movements and they pursue.

It's ridiculously dumb, he knows so much about Dracula that he should basically be categorized as an anthropological/zoological discovery. He's a breakthrough, only known of his species, and has the intelligence level of a child, which is about the same as a crow. Yes he's dangerous, but so is a bear and we wouldn't drive those to extinction.
And before you come down on me for saying that treating him like a scientific sample isn't much of an story, I agree, but that's why you keep the scientist out of the story.
Anonymous No.211461319
>>211452687
lmao
Anonymous No.211461406
>>211461163
I just wonder how such a system can ever be fair if implemented. Implement it now and every actor who's had the benefit of an unjust system has advantage. Going tabula rasa would require a lot of initiation of unjust force. Then there's the fact that human society started anarchic and evolved to be the way it is now so why does anyone think it would end up any differently after a reset? I don't know too much about politics though
Anonymous No.211461651 >>211461903
>>211461234
You made good points which I hadn't thought of before and I think your analysis is valid.
Anonymous No.211461903
>>211461651
thanks
Anonymous No.211463307
>>211460926
We the Living is kinda shitty desu
Anonymous No.211463639 >>211464868
>>211452502
i watched the first and second film, didn't watch the third. i felt that the cast of the first was very solid and seeing an entirely new, inferior cast was completely disorienting.
i can't even imagine how bad the 3rd one must have been. galt's speech is like 80 pages long and it's just a diatribe against looters and a recap of all the ideas that had already been presented. it's like rand didn't trust the reader and wanted to hammer the ideas into their heads near the end, where their memories would be most fresh. it was awful.
i like ayn rand but atlas shrugged isn't even her best novel. We The Living is a fraction of the length and far, far better.
Anonymous No.211464868 >>211464932
>>211463639
the first one was actually pretty good
sage No.211464932
>>211464868
it's decent, a little corny.
my brother hated it. he's a dumbass liberal though.
sage No.211465205 >>211465250 >>211465860
>>211461163
i am a libertarian. it's no revelation to me. however i do seethe at how completely irrelevant libertarians are. the libertarian party imploded and is now a complete joke. 3rd parties are a fucking dead letter in this country.
we'll always have the 2-party duopoly assholes.
being right doesn't mean being popular.
Anonymous No.211465250 >>211465304 >>211465796
>>211465205
the big L Libertarian Party got completely co-opted by bad faith socialists who just run it as a clown show so no genuine libertarian thought can flourish.
Anonymous No.211465304 >>211465401
>>211465250
our gal ayn called them hippies of the right
Anonymous No.211465320 >>211465453
whats the point when bioshock 1 exists
sage No.211465401
>>211465304
>famously hate libertarians
>they champion you and your ideas anyway
that's how based ayn rand was.
Anonymous No.211465453
>>211465320
because Ken Levine is a dumb jew and didn't actually understand fellow jew Ayn Rand's philosophy and put some gay strawman in his game to brag about how he totally epically took down Ayn Rand.
sage No.211465796
>>211465250
this sounds like bullshit but i believe it. reason magazine is similarly compromised.
the establishment fucking hates libertarians, i can see them spending enormous resources trying to crush them. they tried to kill rand paul.
Anonymous No.211465860 >>211465901 >>211466327 >>211470266
>>211465205
>however i do seethe at how completely irrelevant libertarians are. the libertarian party imploded and is now a complete joke
Are you me? I feel the same way.
Shit really sucks.
What else makes me mad is the fact there are no good Libertarian influencers online.
We had praxben on tiktok and he was making amazing arguments and going after breadtubers, but he got lazy as fuck and fell off.
Anonymous No.211465901
>>211465860
at least there is mentiswave
sage No.211466327 >>211466612 >>211467819
>>211465860
remember how good we had it in 2012? gary johnson had yet to fuck up, he was making the establishment very nervous.
by 2016 they had their marching orders, they set out to destroy him.
Anonymous No.211466612 >>211466691
>>211466327
I asked that dude a pretty straightforward question and he couldn't give me a reasonable answer
Anonymous No.211466691 >>211466909
>>211466612
johnson? what was the question?
his 2016 campaign was totally different, he needed to stop smoking weed.
Anonymous No.211466909 >>211474322
>>211466691
"Private property in land has no justification except historically through power of the sword. In the beginning of feudal times, certain men had enough military strength to be able to force those whom they disliked not to live in a certain area. Those whom they chose to leave on the land became their serfs, and were forced to work for them in return for gracious permission to stay. In order to establish law in place of private force, it was necessary, in the main, to leave undisturbed the rights which had been acquired by the sword. The land became the property of those who had conquered it, and the serfs were allowed to give rent instead of service.

There is no justification for private property in land, except the historical necessity to conciliate turbulent robbers who would not otherwise have obeyed the law. It is a singular example of human inertia that men should have continued until now to endure the tyranny and extortion which a small minority are able to inflict by their possession of the land.

The present system of distribution is not based upon any principle. Starting from a system imposed by conquest, the arrangements made by the conquerors for their own benefit were stereotyped by the law, and have never been fundamentally reconstructed.

Governor, in your opinion, what good to the community, of any sort or kind, results from the private ownership of land?"
Anonymous No.211466915
>>211461163
>Government money printing(inflation) is out of control
You don't have to be a libertarian to see that as an issue.
>Also Milei won and is actually fixing shit
I believe that when the cuts he's making is eating into his paycheck
Anonymous No.211467819 >>211468314
>>211466327
yeah I know that feel bro
the right stopped making economics arguments, its all IDpol now
Anonymous No.211468314 >>211470001 >>211470751
>>211467819
In the end, they fucked themselves, since Johnson might have been an effective spoiler for Trump. libertarians typically siphon votes from the right more than the left.
it's never been more over for economic conservatives.
Anonymous No.211470001 >>211470797
>>211468314
why would anyone in government ever agree to stop spending money? hilarious that anyone thinks it would ever happen
Anonymous No.211470266 >>211470751
>>211465860
Eric July? Although he's more about shilling his own comics now. Pholosopher?
Anonymous No.211470751 >>211470909 >>211471041
>>211468314
>it's never been more over for economic conservatives.
yeah it's pretty fucking bleak, there's nobody there to correct retarded leftist arguments

leftists body conservatives all of the time now. the best arguments against leftists are all locked away in libertarian books, its like secret knowledge

>>211470266
>Eric July?
cringe
>Pholosopher
HAHAHAHA
You know that that guy was on stream cleaning a gun with his wife and they had an accidental discharge and ended the stream and it was never mentioned again
holy fuck lmao
also they're cringe as hell

We need a Libertarian version of Destiny or Vaush.
Praxben was our only hope but he's so cucked right now and tiktok deleted his account(250k followers), he made a new one recently
his youtube is good but he never uploads
liquidzulu is okay but makes technically correct but boring autistic arguments that dont appeal to the average person
Anonymous No.211470797 >>211471044
>>211470001
maybe because the CBO has estimated social security will be totally insolvent in 10 years (or less) triggering an automatic 17% cut
lotta disability niggers on 4chan gonna get a rude awakening.
Anonymous No.211470909 >>211470998
>>211470751
>cringe
not an argument. he's incredibly successful and consistent
Anonymous No.211470998 >>211471109
>>211470909
he's okay but sounds like a boomer and doesnt do debates or make amazing arguments like praxben does
praxben directly attacks tankies refuting their shit point by point, its kino and what we need
https://www.youtube.com/@praxben/videos
Anonymous No.211471041
>>211470751
Dunno if she's a libertarian, but Carey Wedler was good. Cute jew not afraid of nothin
Anonymous No.211471044 >>211471100
>>211470797
this is a hot topic of discussion at my workplace which is all 30yo guys. no one believes social security will be around when they're gonna retire.
Anonymous No.211471100 >>211471292
>>211471044
my retirement plans are whores and saving enough money for a bullet.
Anonymous No.211471109
>>211470998
That's fair. Eric is good at getting fired up and making people (boomers) question things when he's on the blaze, but he also spergs out hard and turns into a yelling mess. also not good with criticism desu
Anonymous No.211471292 >>211471383
>>211471100
everyone here is married with children so the idea of going all in on high risk investments (which i pursue myself) doesn't work for them. this country is going to fall apart lol
Anonymous No.211471383 >>211471698
>>211471292
there is one way out of this quagmire and it's AI automating the economy. i honestly think it might happen. if AI can grow the economy fast enough, the debt will not matter. this would be EXTREMELY appealing to the irresponsible fags in Washington.
i'm not holding my breath though. i think economic calamity is more likely.
Anonymous No.211471698
>>211471383
suspect it's already happening
Anonymous No.211471780 >>211473356
>>211452232 (OP)
My favorite joke in South Park is when Officer Barbrady learns to read and his first book is Atlas Shrugged and it's so bad he vows to never read again
Anonymous No.211473356
>>211471780
l e l
Anonymous No.211473439
>>211452232 (OP)
Seriously, one of the cringiest movies I've ever seen. Almost as cringey as a Ben Shapiro novel.
Anonymous No.211474246
>>211452232 (OP)
>>211452502
First movie was great because the casting for Dagny. Actress had that cold beauty that you know she was supposed to have.
Anonymous No.211474322
>>211466909
My first thought is: there would be no incentive to improve the land, to grow food or build dwellings or make roads on the land, without some guarantee of enjoying the benefits of those improvements. Private ownership is at least somewhat of an incentivization policy. But I'm also not very smart, so take that as you will.