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>both started off making experimental projects
>both made a highly-successful series that became a cultural phenomenon
>both went all in on turning their opus into marketable IP slop
>both made follow-up series that shit all over what made the original great
Are they auteurs or hacks?

>>211455649 (OP)
>>both went all in on turning their opus into marketable IP slop
Definitely not true for Lucas.
The prequel trilogy is true art.

>>211455649 (OP)
Hackteurs

>>211455811
No one is denying its artistry. But it's also not very good. Artistic ≠ good.

>>211455649 (OP)
Anno made notable and successful works before Evangelion and decades after it. Lucas has Star Wars, American Graffiti, and absolutely nothing else. Lucas is the biggest, luckiest hack in Hollywood history.

>>211455944
>and absolutely nothing else
THX-1138 is fantastic.

>>211455930
Yeah it's not very good, because it's great.

>>211455649 (OP)
Anno is a free mason you fucking morons. All he did was animate their literal viewpoint of the world.

>>211455649 (OP)
george never had any intention of star wars doing anything other than making him a ton of money, long before he even wrote the script he always was a cold businessman it's why he stopped directing after the first film. where are these small films he said he wanted to make, nowhere because he's never had any interest in something if it won't make money

>>211455649 (OP)
Anno closed it to JJ Abrams, then Lucas.

>>211456037
>>211455811
PT is a piece of shit.

>>211456113
*Piece of kino

Fuck you Cocksucker.

1.11 = Good

2.22 = Strongly Great to Amazing-ish.

3.33 = Very Good

Phantom = Decent

Clones = Weak to Ok/Meh (Dooku/Jango save it from being badbad)

Sith = Ok / Meh to Decent (overrated af)

>>211456133
Bump

>>211455811
>>211456133
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/Ph2c9e0nlATm1-mrpnI2YQ/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/jJgOO5pgzBw4ZB9xOfL2PA/
Gas prequelfags

>>211458856
Extremely based.
Prequelkings keep on winning.

>>211459012
Prequellards can't even win on /tv/, that's why you have to keep spamming.

>>211455649 (OP)
Anno did some of his best work AFTER Eva

But nobody on /tv/ (except /film/ regulars) knows this

>>211456198
What about 3.0+1.0?

>>211462502
Dogshit

>>211455649 (OP)
No.

>>211456113
Kek. You're a low-IQ philistine and I spit on you.

>>211455649 (OP)
Neither Lucas, nor Anno has turned into a slop peddler. Revenge of the Sith and The Phantom Menace are the best Star Wars movies and Shin Godzilla and Shin Kamen Rider are great too. You don't know shit, you pussy ass bitch.

What's the eva equivalent of this?

>>211460141
You're unworthy of the air you're breathing.

>>211455944
Indiana Jones is primarily his.
Spielberg really doesn't get it.

>>211467715
petit eva

>>211455944
>Lucas only has THX 1138, American Graffiti and Star Wars, guise
And you don't even have a brain, you plant fucking moron.

>>211456079
>where are these small films he said he wanted to make, nowhere because he's never had any interest in something if it won't make money
Faggots like you always say this shit. He always said those movies would never be released, that that would be experimental films for his own enjoyment that he'd only show to his friends.

>>211460141
The prequels have been winning on /tv/ forever. It's nu wars which needs paid shills and discords.

>>211468112
The amount of Andor shilling until a week ago was insane.

Also, the only people having beef with the Prequels are dysgenic midwits like M*tt W*lsh.

>>211455649 (OP)
Evangelion and the prequels are both pseud garbage.

>>211468473
Spoken like a true midwit.

>>211468522
Evangelion is midwitcore

>>211468575
No, but you are a literal midwit.

>>211468575
>midwit thinks this means it's for midwits

>>211468575
>interviews from director while he was piss drunk
>interviews from gainax staffer notorious for lying
>screencap from a show where he's supposed to be a role model to children

as long as I'm connected to the internet I will make it my main aim in life to stop this prequel revisionism

We desperately need midwit containment. I'm so sick of those uppity shit hardware niggas, they deserve the cuck chair and muzzled.

>>211468767
Prequels are great and will be considered peak Star Wars in the near future. You can waste your last breath or all of it on trying to prevent the inevitable, it doesn't matter.

>>211455649 (OP)
>guy who has been doing traditional animation and defending it like a guarddog from horseshit technology for decades
vs
>guy whose movies give you myopia because you have to squint your eyes to see anything in the fucking dark-as-shit cgi-hellhole he created
ah yes, just the same

>>211469087
wait i just realized that's hideaki anno and not miyazaki
holy shit i'm a dumbass
anyways gquuuux is better than anything star wars has put out in 30 years

>>211469087
>guy whose movies give you myopia because you have to squint your eyes to see anything in the fucking dark-as-shit cgi-hellhole he created
Anon, I...

I'll throw Snyder and (Ridley) Scott into the mix and make the staunch claim they are also both still excellent.

>>211456133
Prequelfags think good influences = good movie.

Supposedly if I film myself taking a shit and I add in some references to Kant, Godel, Homer, and Shakespeare or something it's kino of the highest order.

>>211455649 (OP)
Lucas has never done in-house remakes of other works he's fond of

>>211469396
>references
Kek. Expose yourself harder, midwit. There are cinematic references/nods but that's not what makes them great, obviously. What makes them great is the committed vision, the visual splendor, the phenomenal soundtracks, the leaps in technology they caused and last but definitely not least the psychologically well-reasoned and aesthetically iconic fall of their young hero.

>>211468473
All art is derivative.

>>211470017
>>211469396
https://youtu.be/vDqn0G-vhVE

>>211469934
Based as fuck. Yes, I love Zack Snyder. Yes, I love the Star Wars Prequels. Yes, I love Michael Bay.

Visual storytelling is storytelling. I am smarter than you. Fascism doesn't need me to defend it, liberals trying to mock it do a much better job anyway.

>>211469806
Then maybe stop posting infographics about its references like it's proof the movie is good whenever someone says they don't like it

>>211470192
I didn't. It's only a meme. It hints at something true nonetheless.

EVA is very Freudian and Star Wars very Jungian.

>>211469934
>Star Wars Prequel fans
>Think special effects are more important than scripts
It's funny because the only people obsessing over the special effects in the prequels are the haters. The Lucas used them to tell a story, the kids didn't pay attention to them, but the OT tards spent decades complaining about the special effects.

>thx 1138
>experimental

I think a big part of how Anno handled the Rebuilds is that he was in charge of the entire studio. He had suffered considerably, over a long time, and in numerous events, from the people that were shafting Gainax and his fellow creatives. It is my belief that those experiences left a very strong impression on him, and he set aside his personal creative feelings toward the work in order to safeguard his studio and employees. He wanted to let them play a more active role, to make something that would likely be financially viable, and wouldn't risk putting them on the streets if the studio collapsed. In short, I think he told himself "you are no longer a director, you are the employer of these people, and you need to see this project succeed. That is more important than using these films purely as my personal outlets".

>>211470463
you have actually touched on something that OP is completely ignoring, Lucas completely self funded Star Wars besides Ep4 whereas Anno was given an budget until 2014 at which point his studio was able to buy the Eva IP. Lucas' merchandising deals earned him billions of dollars, and also enable him to build Lucasfilm/Lucasarts/ILM alongside investing that money into the films themselves, by contrast I doubt Anno saw any merch money but I'm unsure of whatever his contract allowed for.

>>211455649 (OP)
OP Lucas likely knew he wasnt the best director for the job for the prequels, but no one else took his offer to direct them. Either Lucas took on directing, or people lost their jobs at that point.

also the Rebuilds are incredible.

>>211468767
You will try

>>211455649 (OP)
I'm convinced Star Wars was just release in the right place at the right time. There's really nothing impressive about it.

>>211455811
I will forever hold Lucas personally responsible for all Disney slop, no exceptions

>>211472651
You would have taken that billion dollar payout as well. I can't blame him, Star Wars wasn't exactly high brow in the first place

>>211455811
Let’s not pretend that The Clone Wars and the inception of clones vs Stormtroopers wasn’t built on toyslop. You can make four slopfigures in a set that are identical barring a different colored stripe on the armor

>>211473080
It was built on fascism.

>>211472466
Name a single movie like it.

>>211473156
Amerimutt fascism

>>211473233
No one cares. They are talking helmets.

>>211473280
They are brown. Like you

>>211473211
Did I say unique or impressive? But to answer your question, literally every other space opera, the genre Star Wars was inspired by

>>211473375
No, you're brown.

>>211473404
>literally every other space opera
Name names.

>>211472651
You should, it’s the way he wants it.

>>211468473
>Eva isn’t about Christianity, so it isn’t about anything
Idk why you would believe that, let alone make an image to defend that viewpoint. The crosses/angel imagery DO look cool, and they represent more or less exactly what someone would imagine they represent… so what’s the criticism?

>>211473624
>gets >no u thrown at him in spite of his bulletproof case
>desperately resorts to greentext spam
Lmao. That shriveled up thing you call your brain wouldn't even be good enough to serve a starving stray dog as a snack.

>>211455649 (OP)
>auteurs or hacks?
both

>>211473468
Flash Gordon, as stated by George Lucas himself as a direct inspiration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera
Go ahead and pick any book, tv serial or movie listed on this wiki that existed prior to Star Wars for more information.

>>211473972
No, you’re stupid

>>211474120
Movie was made after and is American jewish boomer coomer slop. It has some nice costumes and effects but otherwise doesn't compare. It's funny how you keep trying to evade making the concession that there was nothing like Star Wars before and nothing that resembles it after.

>>211474225
Maybe, but at least I'm not a straight up retarded sack of feces like you.

>>211455649 (OP)
>Are they auteurs or hacks?
George is definitely an auteur. I can't say shit about Anno.
>both made follow-up series that shit all over what made the original great
This is false in George's case. The prequels elevated what he made with the OT. And Revenge of The Sith is his magnum opus.
>>211455944
>Lucas has Star Wars, American Graffiti, and absolutely nothing else.
He wrote the first four Indiana Jones films, wrote Willow and did a movie nobody saw about the tuskegee arimen. And beyond that, is personally responsible for every major VFX innovation between the 1970s because to the 2000s because he wasn't afraid to try out and perfect what everyone in the business thought at the time would never work and now has become standards in the industry and his work on those things helped make him a billionaire in patent and copyright royalties.

>>211474347
No, you’re a sack of feces

3.0+1.0 was such an amazing shitshow, it's really a shame it got buried. Shitting on neets and weebs at the end of such a long con should be celebrated.

>>211474443
see >>211474347

>>211474232
>Movie was made after
Not the other anon, but the Flash Gordon movie is an adaptation. George Lucas grew up reading the comic strip and watching the old serials. Both came out in the 30s.

>>211474478
>see
[Dr. Evil voice]How about nooo

>>211474482
Yeah, that's why I said movie. You niggas really test my patience, you know?

>>211455649 (OP)
They are hacks. Why? Because they drifted away from those passion project mindset, making (oh god forgive me for saying this) a s*q*el to their first movie, and continue milking that now franchise for money under the banner of 'art' instead of creating a new one

>>211455649 (OP)

Can't speak for Lucas but Anno is an unbelievable hack and does not deserve the recognition he got over the years. He has wanted nothing to do with the very thing that made him famous to begin with and has only ever wanted to torch it and escape it.

The man just screams self absorbed coward and basically had to be held accountable by his own wife to finish the Eva movies he started only to make some retirement income for himself. He's just a huge pathetic joke of a director.

>>211474232
The serials weren't, and they are literally a space opera just like Star Wars, made decades prior to Star Wars. So no, Star Wars was not entirely unique. Not that that's relevant, because I said Star Wars wasn't impressive, which it wasn't. What is unique about Star Wars was it possibly being the first movie to form the modern type of fandoms that still drive average pieces of media to financial greatness.

>>211474571
You fucking retard. Anno has done lots of other stuff and Lucas prequels that, as someone pointed out earlier, elevate the old movies.

>>211474673
I don’t blame him. Besides more high quality animated mecha fights the movies were unnecessary. Besides EoE

>>211474705
I haven't read the serials but they aren't movies and the Flash Gordon movie that is doesn't compare to Star Wars, as I've explained in a prior post.

>>211455811
MACLUNKY!!

>>211474544
>Yeah, that's why I said movie.
Yeah, you said the movie because that's what you thought Flash Gordon just was. The other anon was stating that Flash Gordon was George's inspiration for Star Wars and, like the buffoon you are, you assumed that he was talking about the 1980 movie. Completely unaware that Flash Gordon had existed for 50 years up to then. You just exposed yourself for the ignorant shitkicker you are.

>>211474892
>I haven't read the serials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Gordon_(serial)
>Flash Gordon is a 1936 superhero serial film. Presented in 13 chapters
The serials weren't the comic strips friend. There's barely a single piece of media under the sun that isn't some level of derivative. It's okay that Star Wars wasn't completely unique. Less okay that it's an average set of films, but it is what it is

>>211474963
No, I wouldn't have said movie, I would have said Flash Gordon or it. You are dumb and should leave this website forever. Your "contributions" have no value.

>>211474735
If your creation is actually good you wouldnt need a prequel or sequel to refine that thing because you could just put everything in there. It has to be in one thing and that's it. Reproducing media is a corporate thing, something that are made by executives in order to make money, because their first slop is a success and they decided to release a continuation out of it. there are no artistic value in there aside from scraping the leftover crumbs and tried to make something new out of it, pure moneymaking business

>>211475027
I don't care for your diversion tactics. You still haven't named a movie that's like it.

>>211475055
>No, I wouldn't have said movie
>>211474544
>Yeah, that's why I said movie
You're bad at this.

>>211475070
Next post you make just mention your IQ at the beginning of it. Sick of reading retarded garbage.

>>211475125
No, you're literally just too stupid.

>>211475214
>prequel and seqiel le good, you are le dumb
Rather than debating like a retard why dont we take a look at this prequel sequel spin off culture in current film industry out there? Surely its good and artistic right?

>>211474673
>The man just screams self absorbed coward
so he's literally shinji then, heh

>>211471631
What do you like about them? I was extremely disappointed.
Lucas did originally want other people to direct the prequels, but everyone told him it wouldn't make sense for them to do so - he knows the universe and themes, and no one else could have assembled his particular blend of visual storytelling and homage (except Anno, in another universe). In the end he realized it had to be him.
>>211472466
JFC
>>211474673
He's disappointed because the impact of Eva wasn't what he wanted it to be, and he took that as a personal failure. He's always quick to blame himself, and very quick to avoid taking credit for anything that works. It's also part of why he's so quick to say things like "oh yes, this scene has no meaning whatsoever, it's just to look cool", when it's clear that a ton of work and film history went into making it. He's trying to be self-effacing, because he secretly fears he is a hack. Which he's not. /tv/ is, on the whole, neither intelligent enough nor willing to invest the effort to read things and put this together.
>>211475519
Yes

Dude, where did all the niggas with a brain go. I'm in retard hell right now.

>>211475825
>It's also part of why he's so quick to say things like "oh yes, this scene has no meaning whatsoever, it's just to look cool", when it's clear that a ton of work and film history
I get what you’re saying, but in your opinion don’t you think that devalues the work because a lot of people take the creator’s word as an objective fact and don’t look much further into it than that

>>211475825
>but everyone told him it wouldn't make sense for them to do so
Yes, all his jew director friends told him that because they were envious of his franchise's success and wanted to see him fail by being his retarded self.

>>211475825
what kind of impact did he want eva to have?

>>211475320
>in current film industry out there
That was always a thing. Remakes too. You fucktards know nothing.

>>211475960
nta but i think most of the time the kind of people that do that a
have already made up their mind about the series and are just looking for something to validate it.

>>211476154
>*get shown empirical fact*
>"uh....it.. its always been a thing, CHUD"
god youre so pathetic. No wonder those studio keep releasing shit after shit every day, turns out people like you keep consooming their slop and hailed the creator as an artist or something. Literal drone

>>211476419
Your entire world view consists of memes. You know nothing for a fact, are incapable of nuance and leak poison like a busted fucking chemical plant. Log off, this isn't healthy for you.

>>211475960
What should he say, though?
>Actually, it's a really emotional scene, and there's a lot of layered significance here given the juxtaposition with other characters in similar situations from earlier in the season. Also, the composition is rather obviously supposed to call to mind the science fiction works of X___, whose most famous novels dealt with the philosophical aspects of this exact problem. I'm sorry you were unable to notice that, but I promise it's not because you're oblivious or unfamiliar with cultural touchstones, but rather that I'm a bad director for not making things more obvious.
>>211476102
Many things, there are a lot of interviews out there. For one, he felt that the anime landscape was stagnating and he wanted to shake things up a bit. For two, he thought it was bad that people used anime as an escapist medium and failed to grow up into "real" adults by living in their pretend little worlds and having waifus. Instead, Rei became a major fixation point in Japanese audiences, including romantically on some level, and tons of characters were modeled after her.

>>211456071
So what's your point?

>>211456133
Where do EU works fall on this list

>>211475825
>he knows the universe and themes, and no one else could have assembled his particular blend of visual storytelling and homage
firstly Ep5 and 6 were not directed by Lucas and those movies were fine.

>What do you like about the Rebuilds
Funnily enough it's actually Lucas' quote about "it's like poetry, it rhymes" that was a rosetta stone for the Rebuilds for me. Despite the huge departure within the Rebuilds seemingly so much of the character beats line up with the original series, not in a fan service "look at us we're doing the thing" way but in an earnest re-examination or jumping off point to develop the characters in new ways. The moment that really solidifies this for me is the understated rhymes between 3+1 and EoE, Gendo still gets "eaten", Misasto still gets shot, but those moments are within completely new contexts and outcomes while never does the film linger to highlight LOOK IT'S JUST LIKE EOE, and it's those rhymes and slight changes (alongside the larger intertextuality of the rebuilds and original series, be it interpretive or a literal universal reset) that allows for the characters to grow. EoE Misato kisses Shinji, in 3+1 the respective rhyme was her hugging him instead.

Mind you I first watched Eva in 2014 and chose not to watch the rebuilds until 3+1 had a release date I wasn't waiting between entries.

>>211460484
>one good live action movie and it's an adaptation
the other one was just school girls getting raped
He peaked 30 years ago, nothing wrong with that but it's a fact

>>211455649 (OP)
Anno and Lucas should team up on a project before they die.

>>211455944
>and absolutely nothing else

>>211456081
>all trash aside from sheen godzilla
welp

>>211456198
>>211464888
Only dogshit here is your taste. 3.33 is a godawful fucking mess, while 4.0 is decent and a good end to evangelion

>>211456071
schizos are a plague

>>211473484
>Trusting the clickbait
This is not at all what George Lucas wants, he hates Disney more than Darth Vader hates the Emperor. The problem is George Lucas can't speak honestly here or else he'll be exposed as Jeffrey Epstein's partner

>>211480110
>The problem is George Lucas can't speak honestly here or else he'll be exposed as Jeffrey Epstein's partner
Either that or because of his 37.1 million Disney shares

>>211460141
Cope troon.
You lost.

>>211468063
what a convenient excuse, why announce it to the world in the first place then. what do you get out of carrying water for a multi billionaire anon? george haggling fox over the merchandising rights before the first film was even released tells you everything you need to know - not an artist never was

2021 /a/ was crazy
>SnK ending metldown
>Jojolion meltdown
>Rebuilds metldown

>>211483361
But trannies love the prequels?

I liked the last Rebuild

>>211460484
This looks kino, what is it

>>211485332
Shiki-Jitsu/Ritual (2000)

>>211455944
As a fan of people like Iwai and other 90's live action indie shit, Anno's live action stuff is pretty bad compared to who he was aping.

>>211476544
well he horribly fucked up there, i feel like he kinda shoulda had that foresight when making and designing reis character, like when she was made the way she was idk what he was expecting

>Anno hates Otaku and wants them to move on with their life
>still loves kamen rider and gundam

I think Anno is more like Cameron than Lucas.
Cameron actually did craft work on films, just like Anno came out of being an animator. Lucas ain't that.
>>211471631
You're mistaken about where the money came from for Shin Eva. It was always self funded by Khara.
Like every Star Wars movie George made after the original, he simply had a distribution deal with Fox. In Khara's case, unlike Lucas, he wasn't particularly thankful to anyone at his old theatrical distributor (Toei) so 1-2/3/4 all have different distributors.
Regardless it's just a distribution deal for every film.

I remember someone tried to compare Toriyama to Lucas as they both needed to be tard wrangled to keep their stupidity in check. However, Toriyama despite not being a good writer was still a great artist and his paneling and fight composition are still unmatched today. What does Lucas have going for him besides being a decent idea guy? The OT wasn’t even fully directed or written by him

>>211486363
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaW72ZchK6M

>>211486425
Paglia supported NAMBLA BTW.

>>211486454
That's cringe but how does it relate to what she says about Star Wars?

>>211486474
I don’t really care what people who support pedophiles have to say.

>>211485193
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/KP3ousSoHz7nbE70K6LpEA/

Naah, pic related is a prominent prequel hater.
Hating the prequels is more or less a tranny trait.

>>211455649 (OP)
What IP created the one on the left? Who's he?

>>211467715
The penguin