Thread 211464415

Please tell me American cities are not that bad. How do such kino houses fall apart?

>troubled youth
>rambunctious teens
>joggers
>etc
It's a fucking mystery

>>211464415 (OP)
functional cities were utterly destroyed by retards building highways in the mid 20th century. no one cares about a nice mid century modern if you're breathing exhaust all day and it's 25 minutes to walk to the pedestrian overpass to get to a store 0.75 miles away

>>211464415 (OP)
>How do such kino houses fall apart?

The economy of some cities like Detroit and Baltimore were based on private industry which is now long gone to asia. Other cities like Washington DC are based on corruption, lobbying and government jobs so if those buildings were in Georgetown they would be worth a fortune now.

>>211464738
This. Purely economic factors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmNvkI6Pms
there are a fair amount of places in the USA that actually look like that. i can't imagine at all what it looked like new

>>211464415 (OP)
Niggers, it’s spelled out pretty clearly in the show

ONE, NOTHING WRONG WITH ME.

>>211464505
>yes it is the highways' fault that urban youth make places inhospitable and unwalkable

>>211464893
This scifi setting where people live amongst the ruins of an ancient advanced civilization and are propped up by the remnants of their ancient technology ended up a lot more mundane than I would have expected.

>>211464505
yeah, it was totally the highways and not the niggers lol
>>211464415 (OP)
Imagine taking a monkey and giving him full human rights. Imagine a whole economic system devoted to pretending monkeys are human just so you can "harvest" their votes to further your political agenda. This is life in America. Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia were beautiful cities that mpg European construction of the time. Now it's an open air zoo for 60 iq protohumans who are sustained by welfare payments way above the median European salary.

>>211464415 (OP)
Well large numbers of black people live there, so do with that information what you will.

>>211464415 (OP)
niggers

>>211465091
Also before someone calls me a Chud, I live in Baltimore, you don't.

>>211464415 (OP)
Home repair is expensive, especially when done by by licensed contractors.
“Proper home repair” is way more expensive, and usually requires vetting multiple contractors, and redoing work, because most contractors just have surface knowledge, particularly of old construction methods, and proper technique and materials.
Even “This Old House” routinely did crap work on occasion, and those were guys with decades of experience.
Add in old houses, in my cities with low wages, and crap job prospects, and the problems get amplified.
Add in bureaucratic bullshit, and permit fees, usually done inspectors who are morons, and the above issues all get way worse.
At a certain point, a knowledgeable person can do repairs without issue, because no one cares any longer about unlicensed work, but it usually requires waiting till the area is complete shit.

i keep hearing some fag say that the real Baltimore only has a few blocks that are bad like in the Wire, show definitely made it seem much bigger

I will blame black people instead of my
government who would rather send weapons to israel instead of funding infrastructure repair

>>211464415 (OP)
you've never heard of a ghetto?

>>211464415 (OP)
diversity

>>211465970
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>>211465091
>>211464487
It was so much worse in the 70s & 80s, not just cities but the crime rate as well.

The crime rate was super fucking high in the 1970s/1980s. It exploded during the late 60s and peaked in the early 90s with the crack epidemic.

The 1994 crime bill completely dropped the crime rate

https://www.tiktok.com/@delorean.foley/video/7443640083011472683

>>211465801
It can't be both? Besides, the government spends tons of money on nigs too, they eat up shitloads of taxes to the point we pay for them in other countries. Acting like sending money their way even if was in the billions of Israel dollars would do jack shit but empty out every liquor store in the country

>>211464893
I'm glad they renovated the existing building and didn't demolish it for a brutalist tech-hole

>>211464487
Astronauts
Doctors
Engineers
Garbage men

>>211465431
Why you live in Baltimore bro

>>211465801
no amount of dem programs is going to elevate niggers. They are the only race people say you need to pay to make them not live like this

>>211466109
And it was too effective and thus considered racist so it's been slowly rolled back over the years so areas are going right back to that shit.

>>211464415 (OP)
Poor people tend to not be intelligent so they aren't taught how to maintain a house properly, and also if something breaks or needs replacement they don't have money for it so they just let it go and thus leading to more problems for the house until it becomes a slum.

>Please tell me American cities are not that bad
Yes, they are, this country is a shithole
>How do such kino houses fall apart?
Zoning
https://reason.com/2022/06/21/abolish-zoning-all-of-it/

>>211464415 (OP)
Detroit is/was. Worked five years in and out of Detroit, better than you would expect in some areas, worst in others. In general the people are leagues better than any other city dwellers I have met.

>>211468019
oh yeah bro it's just the zoning's fault lmao

>>211464415 (OP)
This was also 30 years ago, Just imagine how bad they are now.

>>211464738
>The economy of some cities like Detroit and Baltimore were based on private industry which is now long gone
i live in baltimore. the economy has nothing to do with it. there are poor white neighborhoods in the city that never become abandoned nor do the homes all crumble. what you see here is west baltimore. nobody goes there it was always the worst of the worst. as the years went on those people after destroying that area spread to other neighborhoods in the city and destroyed those areas as well

>Baltimore
The Navy resisted having the U.S.S. Constellation built there in the 1790's due to the unsavory character of the inhabitants which means it's been a shithole all along.

>>211468018
>Poor people tend to not be intelligent so they aren't taught how to maintain a house properly
most are renters so the landlord is in charge of repairs. even if the renter wanted to do the repair themselves they arent allowed and most of the time the landlords dont bother to repair homes in the projects

What's even funnier is that dumbass show inspired legions of cracker hipsters to move there and try to gentrify it, and they've failed utterly:
>https://removepaywalls.com/https://medium.com/@TraceyHalvorsen/baltimore-city-youre-breaking-my-heart-1873a505ce2a

The first indication that some cracker liberal is a transplant is they insist on calling it Baltimore City to distinguish it from the county, which everyone but tourists understands already anyway.

I will never understand the fascination white liberals have with The Wire or their gullibility in general. They honestly think this shit has some PhD-level sociology to it when the answer is simply niggers fucking ruin everything. They honestly think it needs five seasons of premium cable to flesh out. They even need to take to the internet to cry out their frustrations in their blogs and comment sections and God knows what else to try and rationalize it.

>>211465801
yeah I get what you're saying but blacks have made it very clear that they hate me and want me dead so I don't really want to give them any of my tax money.

Standard shit - blacks fail to maintain the things that are gifted to them.

>>211469587
I mean if anons can be racist why can't blacks be as well?

>>211470158
they are

>>211469466
>What's even funnier is that dumbass show inspired legions of cracker hipsters to move there and try to gentrify it, and they've failed utterly
but they havent though

>>211469337
why would the landlord want their property to end up unlivable and abandoned in the end?

>>211465015
Have you ever heard of tartaria....
PS...The alantic slave trade makes no sense, and Lincoln frequently called the slaves "negro indians".

>>211464505
>if you're breathing exhaust all day and it's 25 minutes to walk to the pedestrian overpass to get to a store 0.75 miles away

Sounds like literally all of Toronto.

>>211470301
slumlord... is a slang term for a landlord, generally an absentee landlord with more than one property, who attempts to maximize profit by minimizing spending on property maintenance. slumlords usually do not contract with property management services, do very little or no maintenance on their property, sometimes just enough to meet minimum local requirements for habitability. a slumlord may also hope that his property will eventually be purchased by a government for more money than it is worth as a part of urban renewal, or by investors as the neighborhood in which it is situated undergoes gentrification.

>>211470301
Because cities reward it. If your property because a shit hole along with a big enough area they will give their construction crony buddies tax breaks to develop it which means the property is worth more which means the city can collect more property tax.

>>211464415 (OP)
I told Google Maps to avoid tolls and it took me through a neighborhood in Baltimore that looked worse than this. Any crazy thing you can find in Africa you can also find in USA.

>>211464838
This is what 25 years of perpetual war looks like.

>>211464415 (OP)
Cleveland used to have a neighborhood known as Millionaires Row on Euclid Avenue where the wealthiest people in the US had houses, now it's a shithole and East Cleveland is like a post-apocalyptic wasteland

>>211464415 (OP)
>white people moving out of the cities more and more each day

>"NAW NIGGUH YALL GOTTA STAY HERE AN BE MISERABLE WITH US NIGGA MOVING IS RAYCISS"

Literally THE only reason white were in the cities at all, was because at one point most of each metro area were hubs of art, culture, learning, etc. Now each metro area is predominantly the fucking slum. We don't "have" to stay in such squalor so we don't Enjoy your fucking shit streets niggers

>>211464415 (OP)
Letter 14

>>211469466
Maryland is a cancer to the mid-Atlantic / north east. Even in rich areas you still have niggers everywhere. And the icing on the cake is it’s probably 1/3rd spic.
Only place I could ever think is worse is possibly Atlanta

At least other dense states like New Jersey keep all their poors and blacks in containment zones and it still has some live-able cities if you’re relatively rich

>>211470565
is toronto cool? I'm from vancouver, always wondered what it's like to live there. seems like a way better culture

>>211467065
It's entirely made of brick. Would've cost more to demolish it and move it than it would to just renovate it.

>>211469466
Do we have an actual nigger in a /tv/ thread? Everyone, break out the pigs feet and hush puppies, we got a special guest!

>>211470565
Or Amsterdam.

>>211473247
Why not fix them up? Even Detroit is doing that now. Pic related was boarded up a few years ago just like your Cleveland pic. Now it's the keystone of new housing.

>>211476966
>2.5 million dollars
just how many millionaires in search of housing do you think there are in the united states?

>>211475917
Same but switch Toronto and Vancouver. All my high school friends moved to Vancouver and left me in this dump to die. Granted I'm not even from the main parts, those smell like piss and are populated by hipsters with bikes and dogs, not really my crowd

>>211464487

fpbp

>>211476966

Detroit is still full of blacks and as they destroyed so much of the housing, (over 40 square miles of the city are empty lots) they've been moving into the older 1st tier surrounding suburbs (and are in the process of wrecking them).

>>211464415 (OP)
n
socio-economic factors
etc

WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE GARDEN

>>211464415 (OP)
Niggers and jews. Anyone who tries to tell you overwise is lying.

>>211464415 (OP)
That looks like it would be a shitty place to live even in the best of times.

>>211464915
it did play a role doe. highways rendered the steel belt's location and railroad/waterway advantage obsolete overnight. it meant that mister shekelbert could start a factory into less union-y, cheaper places without losing the ease of moving/accessing goods that the steel belt once provided. as factories moved out so did jobs, and taxes needed for public maintenance.

>>211475917
Toronto use to be cool like 10 years ago. Montreal is cooler. I’ve never been but Vancouver looks like it’s very scenic/pretty.

>civil rights act passed
>whites run away to suburbs, taking their taxes with them
>nigs move in
>violence, drugs, crime, zero trust
>everything breaks down
>businesses close or don't set up shop at all because doing business is too much of a liability

>>211466109
I think I read that a few of the potential worst offender cities (NYC for example), no longer report their stats to the FBI. If true, it could be worse now.

>>211476966
>Why not fix them up?
because you are still surrounded by crime and other empty houses. why go through the trouble, expense etc when if you walk a block or two away from your home you will be robbed and maybe killed

>>211479174
not really. its a step up from living in an apartment and many of the homes are quite large and nice inside. they still build rowhomes in the suburbs just like this for whites

>>211464415 (OP)
There's 200 yearold row houses in philly but the affordable ones are inaccessible because of drug dealers and crackheads. I repainted one for my parents and there were a bunch of nigs on the stoop trying to block me from leaving. Luckily it had a back exit and I gtfo.

Please tell me Canadian cities are not that bad. I want to visit family in Brampton

>>211464415 (OP)
I went through Philadelphia once and it genuinely looked like this, even worse in some cases.

>>211482066

oh ya youll be fine in brampton minimal brown people

>>211464838
reminder that when retards get outraged at the number of vacant homes vs homelessness, these are the vacant homes they're getting mad about

>>211482066
More like Brapton

>>211464838
>there are a fair amount of places in the USA that actually look like that
not really. its nothing really except a block or two somewhere. you dont see acres or entire towns that look like this

>>211483167
You do in Detroit, Baltimore and Philly

t. have been to those places and seen multiple blocks like that

>>211483320
>have been to those places and seen multiple blocks like that
yeah multiple blocks not acres or entire sections. i live in baltimore its not as bad as people that dont live here want to make it out to be

>>211464415 (OP)
>American cities are not that bad.
There are very nice parts of American cities, and very large parts that are terrible and awful. idk the answer to how.
t. Burger who's lived in a large American city and suburbs in a mid-size city.

>>211483470
>i live in baltimore
I am so sorry bro, I hope you make it

>>211483542
Industry disappearing. Some cities are slowing clawing back (like Detroit) but some still remain pretty fucked (like Philadelphia) where there are massive sections of areas that look like Fallout 4. I saw some houses in Philly where there were trees growing out of collapsing buildings and the house directly connected to them still had inhabitants somehow.

>>211483563
nothing dangerous about living here. no reason to be scared because of random stuff you hear on the news or shitty tv shows that portray baltimore as being le bad

>>211483666
>Industry disappearing
what industry? there werent that many industries in those areas ever to support all those people living there. people avoid the real reason why these pockets of decayed buildings exist. wonder what it could really be?

>>211483822
They did have industry. Believe it or not, America used to build things.

>>211483853
>They did have industry.
i know they did. bethlehem steel and esskay were two companies such companies but look at an ariel overview of the city. there are 1,000s of houses. not many businesses for all those city dwellers to work

>>211464893
Americans are culturally illiterate. They have no idea why they should keep old stuff around when there's new, shitty, cheap products that will allow elites to get rich quicker. Fuck nice houses, if they demolish a sturdy brick family dwelling that doesn't generate wealth and replace it with a 5-person apartment made out of wood or breeze-blocks, they can rake in the new cash.

>>211464415 (OP)
>capitalism builds industry in city
>everyone moves to the city and works in the factories
>100 years later, capitalism decides to close down the factories because Chinese people do it cheaper
>everyone leaves, city bankrupt
>only welfare recipients and criminals remain
The end

>>211483666
Nice digits. I lived in Boston for 10 years. It was mostly fine. Never had to think about crime, except for a couple times on a couple of shitty blocks. Otherwise it's just a bunch of students, yuppies, etc.

>>211464415 (OP)
We have space, materials and people we can afford to waste, so we do.

>>211464893
https://restoringross.com/detroit-the-james-v-campbell-house/

>>211484058
>>211483822
You are retarded. Manufacturing used to employ almost half of Americans, now it employs less than 10%. This is in addition to jobs at the ports, rail lines, etc also being nuked. Now most Americans work in wagecuck retail, an office job that doesn't produce anything, or a job related to "finance" (AKA shuffling digital "money" around to create more "money" out of nothing).

>>211466109
>The 1994 crime bill completely dropped the crime rate
This is complete nonsense
Undergrads are taught at any public or private school in their freshman year not to confuse correlation and causation

>>211484812
What about correlations between race and crime, even when adjusted for socioeconomic factors?

>>211475917
As a tourist it feels like a mini New York. For good and bad.

>>211480778
>a few of the potential worst offender cities (NYC for example), no longer report their stats to the FBI
wouldn't surprise me at all. Why would these cities even report these stats if not compelled by force?

>>211477972
>All my high school friends moved to Vancouver and left me in this dump to die
Vancouver is not some economic utopia. Jobs wise, Toronto mogs Vancouver. Both are overpriced but Toronto has the most jobs of any Canadian city. Whereas Vancouver is overpriced and doesn't have that many jobs to begin with. If your friends moved here then I'd bet they're struggling. A lot of people move here and cope that the nice views and shitty rainforest hikes are worth it. But they're not. If you have nothing and are just living on debt, you are fucked.

>>211482066
Canada used to be one of the best countries in the world...

>>211464415 (OP)
this shit looks like a "The MoviesTM" set

>>211482066
>Brampton
Brampton is literally the worst shithole in Canada
Actual jeet colony, worse than Surrey

>>211485470
How's it worse than Surrey?

>>211485205
>big nig is watching you
Straight out of 1984.

>>211464415 (OP)
Whites are the only race that take care of their surroundings with another outlier being the japanese.

GOT THAT PANDEMIC!

>>211464415 (OP)
subhuman animals cant function without white people maintaining and cleaning up after them. this is the reason the left feels that access to white people and white spaces is a human right.

>>211465801
>when you tried to be clever but forgot the government forces americans to associate with niggers since 1964

>>211466109
now do homicide clearance rate

>>211464893
>tore down the 3 horrible proto-McMansions
>the cute brick house survived and got renovated
I see nothing wrong with this.

>>211466109
>The 1994 crime bill completely dropped the crime rate

blacks aborting an entire generation of babies dropped the crime rate.

>>211484773
and unions used to be segregated

>>211464505
Accurate. Also the highway were built to destroy functioning black communities.

>>211464415 (OP)
Because NIGGERS.
I mean, socioeconomic factors.

>>211486817
>functioning black communities.

>>211486855
Why did you correct yourself when you were right first time?
On an unrelated note, Youtube has been recommending me videos where American black people complain about leaving Africa after they'd tried to emigrate there because they felt unsafe of unwelcome. Strange that. Even their ancestral home doesn't want them.

>>211464893
Sic transit gloria mundi....

>>211464415 (OP)
For Trump's birthday parade they had to spend millions of dollars retrofitting rubber pads to tank treads and putting down metal sheets on the roads so the tanks didn't destroy the roads.

This is in Washington DC. The capital of the country that is basically your shop window to the world. The roads are so bad and cheeply made they can't even take the weight of an armoured vehicle.

>>211476966
Why would someone who has 2,5 milion to spend buy a house in Detroit?

>>211483099
>>211482066
imagine the smell....

>>211486901
>American black people complain about leaving Africa after they'd tried to emigrate there because they felt unsafe of unwelcome. Strange that. Even their ancestral home doesn't want them.
This is genuinely sad. Although I don't think the UK is in a hurry to take me back either.

>>211464415 (OP)
>Please tell me American cities are not that bad.
only in blue states

>>211487011
>The roads are so bad and cheeply made they can't even take the weight of an armoured vehicle.
That seems normal for most roads not to be able to take. Although it is definitely true that much or most of American infrastructure is not good. t. ameriburger.

>>211487011
i assume you are just trolling but in what city can you subject the road to a 60 ton vehicle with metal treads? Even the smallest change in direction causes a shear force of thousands of psi, there is no mud to dig into and it gets really bad really fast

>>211486867
Botswanna and Rwanda seem ok.

>>211486901
The west tolerates (or even encourages) a low-level criminality that would be heavily punished in many African countries
I've met Algerian migrants who said that our "Algerians" would be beaten to death if they behaved like that back home

>>211487205
Sure thing bro
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2D4BK17lWsE

>>211464415 (OP)
niggers dont understand maintenance

>>211482066
Canada is already dead

>>211487205
The favela is coming. You cannot run from it forever.

>>211464415 (OP)
>kino houses
Those are basically tenement houses, euro. Nothing of value was lost.

>>211484299
>when a non-American has an opinion

>>211464415 (OP)
No. Baltimore has some terrible neighborhoods but it also has a lot of middle class areas and very, very wealthy areas. It's just a bit grittier and more historically blue collar than for example Washington DC. The Wire focuses on the crappy areas.

>>211489068
you are joking right, one of the biggest shitholes in the united states of America and you just made it sound like a town in Ohio. Do not listen to this anon, visit the inner harbor, stray off course one street and you will die, simple as

shartimore fucking sucks

>>211489106
It has issues yeah, probably 1/3 of the murders in MD occur there. Visiting there isn't like visiting Kinshasa or Pyongyang though.

>>211488898
>when an American assumes it can think critically

>>211466109
>The 1994 crime bill completely dropped the crime rate
Violent crime dropped at the same time in most Western countries.

>>211489212
>>211466109
kek, you really dont know? The answer is lead was removed from petrol and paint. Its apparent to anyone that can do basic math and chart. And this is when the age of the children that finally didn't have lead exposure hit military aged

>>211476966
paying that much and all you get is a simple fence with zero privacy. in the uk, all detached houses for £1million + will have private gardens with a mix of brick wall and tree/hedge perimeter.

>>211487205
Jackson mississippi an Birmingham Alabama don't have great reputations either.

>>211466326
>The U.S. spent $16 on the military and war for every $1 that was spent on diplomacy and humanitarian foreign aid.

>>211484773
you're making the same point as the guy you're responding too but being weirdly argumentative about it

>>211464415 (OP)
people will come into this areas, buy houses and start businesses, bringing more people and economic growth, and then be called racist because the criminals and drug addicts can't afford to live there anymore and have to move

>>211489134
Yeah, you probably wouldn't get murdered in Pyongyang.

>>211480778
>>211485058
Not only that. The system rewards falsifying as whoever is on the top of the (FBI's?) list as the best performers get the most funding. So what happens is that a lot of DAs refuse to prosecute criminals or even if they can't avoid it only do the minimum. Which means even if the police do their job and bring in criminals they often walk as if nothing happened, meanwhile the situation on the streets that directly affects the citizen's living quality is notably derogates despite what the pretty statistics saying. Throw to the mix some batshit laws like the ones that turned California a free-for-all and you get the big picture.

>>211464893
>>211478491
Old Detroit was disgusting!

>>211473247
Huh so that's where they got the Monarch's house from

>>211492314
they probably ruined this with a freeway

>>211492471
every now and then this site is worth coming to, thanks anon

>>211487106
people trying to sell their houses are totally unrealistic in this market, you'll constantly see somebody that bought it for 800k five years ago and wants 2 million for it now, of course they end up holding it forever because it never sells

fucking pricks

>>211477320
>millionaires

A DINK couple that are white collar professionals (say a doctor and engineer or something) could easily afford that place.

>>211465801
>send weapons to israel
Then send your niggers to israel, they're the most destructive weapon ever devised.

>>211484058
I had the same thought.

>>211464505
Partly correct.

>>211464893
Remnants of the Tartarian Empire.

>>211482066
See, having no overhanging high voltage lines sagging down to the street level removed one of the primary eliminatory pressure factors on the parading jeet crowds, allowing them to not die every time they celebrate one of their subnigger festivities and come back gome to multiply at exponential rates. Well thought out spacious streets prevent stampedes from occuring, train tracks are not easily accessible for them to pose around and get splattered.
All the conditions to get a jeet infestation as quickly as possible are met.

>>211476917
there's an underpass right below m8

>>211484461
It happened way before muh capitalism moved the factories to muh China. Mutts don't even know their so called "history" it is unreal

>>211484812
You should then be able to propose an alternative explanation to the phenomenon that is equally plausible but simpler.

>>211470565
Funny enough Degrassi makes Toronto seem like a small town.

>>211469587
They hate you and want you dead largely because they're uneducated and they don't understand what makes society run and what you need to do to be a part of it.

Really, there will still be nigs nogging if we fix our infrastructure and education system
but not as many.

>>211489231
that and abortions

>>211464415 (OP)
Literally from white on Black racism.
Simple as

>>211487295
>rwanda
Nothing a little occasional killing of half a million undesired ethnics using gardening implements cannot do to fix your society

>>211493720
no lead in gasoline and abortion

>>211464893
>>211464838
>>211464415 (OP)
100% the fault of ending segregation

>>211492314
desegregation was a disaster for this country

>>211491867
Come over to Europe where you will get paid less than a nigger but will live a fulfilling peaceful life.
The reason you won't is that that $16 was spent for your fat ass to enjoy the floor of goods that is hoovered from across the globe so that even your niggers are swimming in unmatched wealth.
You will sit there and pretend to be against the american hegemony while enjoying the fruits of it.
You are the worst.

>>211464838
I used to travel the country for work, visiting the south was always fucking depressing because I knew if I had to drive for a few hours anywhere that it was going to be the most incompetent display of infrastructure management and poverty I had seen to date. I do not know how people have pride in that region.

>>211489212
and? violent crime in the united states is overwhelmingly perpetrated by niggers. crime rates dropped when society had enough and started locking them up in record numbers, a lesson we've failed to relearn over the past 30 years

>>211494154
>overwhelmingly perpetrated by niggers
But majority of that is black on black so what do you guys care.

>>211494154
it’s mostly what the other guy said about lead and abortions, black incarceration rates are dropping historically for some time. if you get shit out of the water making people angry and allow them to kill babies that would grow up to be knockout game MVPs then the world is a better place. who knew.

>>211484299
yeah old buildings are nice and all (I was just in prague - beautiful city) but they're also not that nice to live in. they're not up to code. they're not earthquake resistant. they're not properly insulated. we build new buildings because new buildings are safer and nice to live in.

>>211494226
>black incarceration rates are dropping historically for some time

yes, because of depolicing you stupid fuck

there have literally been meta-analyses showing that blacks at every income level and age are vastly more likely to be incarcerated than any other race. there are genteel middle class blacks that still have atrocious rates of criminality compared to their white counterparts. this has remained true up to the modern day. are they all victims of inner city lead poisoning too?

the biggest causal factor is blackness.

>>211493853
>abortion
Debatable, freakonomics lied
Poor people don't get many abortions

>>211483725
>nothing dangerous about living here.
It has niggers there so you're lying

>>211489212
>>211494226
pure coincidence

>>211494349
you know there were free clinics, right?

>>211494348
I don't know, white america seems to have pedophile problem looking at the news from there.

>>211493853
Two factor explanation makes it a more complicated theory anon, hence the modifier simpler. You know, occams razor, freshman level stuff. Also leaded gasoline was banned well i to the downswing of the crime rate, but I do appreciate the biological explanation you propose for the cause of crime instead of muh socioeconomic factors. Doesn't explain why certain people are more susceptible to leaded gasoline exhaust fumes or why more criminally inclined are aborted more, but you'll find your way.

>>211494034
You have to hand it to them. They figured out that if they introduce a pest into the neighborhood, people sell their homes for pennies, so they can buy it, kick the pest out and resell.

>>211494492
thanks ranjeesh

>>211464838
>richest country on the planet, btw

>>211494034
Jesus Christ.
Some weird shit slipped through the old cracks back in the day.

>>211494194
I mean, they are your citizens, you share the same country and live in the same society and you pay inordinate amounts of money just to keep them alive. If one was able to choose their taxes to not fund black people your why do you guys care objection might have been valid

>>211494525
despite what you want to believe, there are a great many things that can't be attributed to a single factor.

>>211494675
Probably a coincidence.

>>211486763
>ornamentation bad
I hate you.

>Civil Rights Act of 1964
>The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

Isn't it kind of insane to realize the US had a coup and immediately started breaking down all of the safeguards that kept the country safe, which immediately destroyed dozens of cities permanently.

The choices of the 1960s lead to the utter crime and economic catastrophe of the 70s. Hollowing out the middle class.

>>211494692
>you share the same country
Sure but not the neighborhood in most cases. Self-segregation is still very much a thing

>>211493720
unironically roe v wade
the kids who would've been entering their teenage/young adulthood years in the '90s, the age when they commit the most crime, were aborted in the '70s.

>>211464893
well gosh, can anyone think of reasons why a building might be torn down?

>>211494588
yes, and?

>>211494712
And despite what you want to believe, overarching explanations that only selectively apply to certain demographics more than likely are false explanations.
And as you can see from the graph, the population with 15ng/dL and above are consistent until the 2020s, while the crime has dropped. But perhaps the mean age of criminals in 2015 would be in the vicinity of fucking forty and prisons would be looking more like retirement homes if your explanation was right, we will never know.

>>211494335
With the greatest respect, you are absolutely delusional.

>>211494869
CEOs in America make $265 for every dollar made by the average employee but hey pull up your bootstraps and work hard and that might be you some day too.

>>211495138
not an argument

>>211464415 (OP)
Ever notice that every single one of those cities has been Democrat run for the past 50 years? Detroit went from being the richest city in America to bankrupt in pretty much that time span

>>211486817
Complete myth

>>211495144
I don't spend all day seething about how much money other people have because I actually have a life. You might give it a try.

>>211495246
The offshoring of American industry was an impressive bipartisan effort that began with Nixon and was accelerated by every president that followed. When are the corporations held accountable for chasing profit over the wellbeing of its labor force?

>>211495193
Yeah but he's right though.

>>211494525
people often misuse/misquote/misundersstand occam's razor to get it to support their preconceptions. Which is the opposite of the concept.

>>211495301
Your inability to connect the complaints of the quoted graph and post with the behavior and goals of the people running American industry is your own problem.

>>211486817
and you gals call other people "conspiracy theorists"

>>211495302
>over the wellbeing of its labor force?
Save it, I actually live in Detroit. The main thing that killed the city (and many like it) were the UAW and other public unions. This isn't to say all unions are bad, but the rabid UAW completely priced out the American industry from competition. (For much of my life you could buy a jap car for 3-10 thousand dollars cheaper and it would perform better and require less maintenence.)
The Democrat leaders also "gave everyone a job" by simply over-hiring public sector workers. At one point we had 6 Department of Water employees for every 1 in Chicago. With the dwindling tax revenue since the city also turned into a violent black person Utopia it rapidly bled the place dry

>>211495301
>i'm fine with being exploited because i'm distracted from it

yeah.

>>211495304
not an argument

>>211495335
Indeed, it implies equally plausible explanations, which is lacking in that other anon's arguments.

>>211495418
nta but what actually exploits me is the fact that I have $900 taken out of my check every week to pay for absolute dog shit nonsense

>>211495451
because you want to selectively ignore hard data.

>>211495340
uh hu. can anyone think of any factors that might drive down wages?

>>211495412
I live 90 minutes away, I guess I have no idea what it’s like in Detroit. The erosion of American labor unions and allowing them to be corrupted by interests that don’t benefit labor are hand in hand with the same issue of the labor being sent overseas. Don’t have to worry about caring about unions when you send it all away anyways. Same story in a red state or a blue state, the American political machine has no interest in supporting labor. Biden broke that recent railroad strike after all.

>>211495418
which millionaire e-celeb did you get that from?

>>211494335
Not everywhere has earthquakes and so what if they're not insulated, people have been finding ways around that for centuries. You sound pampered.

>>211495504
Yeah I wonder who is employing brown people and wanting cheap labor to underpin their profit margins. Certainly not the people who pay themselves $265 to every dollar of wage to an American laborer? Not worth considering I guess.

>>211495502
If the hard data falls to explain your hypothesis, you should go ahead and ignore it too instead of clinging to it. You know, not having attachment biases to your favorite explanation, basic freshman stuff.

>>211464415 (OP)
I can look at this image and immediately know the demographic of the area.

>>211495601
>my biases trump your hard data
or you can't read a graph.

>>211495552
It probably is the same whether its red vs blue but from my perspective I've only had to deal with shit heads on the blue side. I live downriver and work right by Roush.. If you go into literally any of the 10,000 local bars around here you will run into retired UAW workers getting drunk at 1pm bragging about how they got time and a half while sleeping at home because their buddies clocked them in and out.

>>211495472
we both know you're not making >150k a year

>>211495675
Not anywhere close to 150 but that's what working overtime does. If Trump passes that no fed tax thing ill jerk off everywhere

>>211495673
oy vey think of the factory owners

>>211495673
I feel you. I hate libs a fucking lot. It’s a hard issue to have any amount of nuance on because everyone wants to make it a partisan issue instead of greenlighting the guy who wanted a yacht over paying for his worker’s pensions. I once talked to a guy who owned a model train shop in Indiana who was saying if certain executives were ever seen around town again it was over for them. Posturing? Maybe, but the emotion was real. Shit sucks.

>>211495552
>Biden broke that recent railroad strike after all.
I wonder where labor goes now

Biden and Obama showed that the Democrats have zero interest in supporting labor over corporations despite labor's fervent support of Democrats. Obviously the Republicans mostly despise labor. Unions seem cut adrift from any real political power but their established leadership will stick with supporting Dems, like a beaten wife, while rank-and-file workers probably wonder why they show any support at all for candidates anymore

>>211464415 (OP)
Even the worst American city is mostly nice
It’s just random neighborhood that are hell holes
Even poor people In America live better than middle class europoors

>>211495775
Unions are dead in America, they can’t overcome the decades of public perception of being bloated corrupt organizations underpinned by mob control. To say nothing of the belief that organized labor is now faggy communist shit instead of probably the only real solution against brown importation and H1B replacement. I’m not winning that fight though.

>>211484299
Yeah all those "Americans" destroying houses in the inner city and all the "American" landlords building the cheapest cube possible

>>211495757
Okay? Meanwhile the Big 3 got BTFO by it's competition and hardly even makes Sedans anymore because it was such an embarrassing defeat. But atleast the boomer's made $47/hour! While also wondering why their kids can't get jobs in the same factory

>>211495818
>oy vey we can't compete with third world labor think of our ceo salaries

>>211495815
ackshually unions are dead because of diversity in the workforce, the propaganda doesn't really factor.

>>211495847
>Japan is third world
And now Honda and Toyota have (non-union) plants all over USA paying the same prevailing wages. Wonder how they're so successful! Perhaps it's because their focus isn't hiring blacks and women

>>211481444
LMAO that filename

>>211495879
now figure out why non-union factories aren't dangerous hellholes that work people to death for nothing. i know you can do it.

>>211495635
I already pointed out your faults in your reasoning by referring to the data. Find yourself another hypothesis.

>>211481444
>Why contain it?

>>211495815
>To say nothing of the belief that organized labor is now faggy communist shit
Some are, like the service workers, but I'd say most union members are indifferent to or opposed to the commie slop that goes along with the left, but for years felt like it was that or oblivion. Now the mask is off and I imagine that a lot of union voters are scratching their heads wondering where to go.

>>211495921
OSHA standards that are written in blood, that are also actively attempting to be repealed to bring back the supposed golden age of american industry.

>>211495935
No, you just proved you can't read a graph.

>>211495921
>now figure out why non-union factories aren't dangerous hellholes that work people to death for nothing.
Huh? Are you trying to prove my point for me? Honda is non-UAW and makes some of the most American made cars now. (Passport, Odyssey, Ridgeline)

>>211481444
They'll beg us to save them.

>>211495969
>OSHA standards that are written in blood
who's blood? cmon now.

>>211495987
try again

>>211495958
Service workers only care about who lets them take home their tips, don’t confuse performative leftism for having coherent beliefs on labor or organization. Any meaningful labor union is coopted by shit like diversity or the progressive stack as a means to prevent meaningful further organization. As far as direction goes, they radicalize in one of the two directions available to them based on the prevailing idpol issue.

>>211495974
More like I've read the graph, pointed out the contradictions in the data and your favorite explanation, and you just crumpled on the ground crying. Go for the crack epidemic line next time, it is far more plausible.

>>211496053
at least its real in your mind, right?

>>211496007
>try again
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Do you believe Honda is using slave labor or something?

>>211496007
we’re on the same page but realistically since all the factories are now being built in the south where there are fewer / less restrictive labor laws and union organization, OSHA is the final thing to go to restore prosperity. I realize the blood of actual union guys made those regulations.

>>211496078
I accept your concession.

>>211493281
no one wants public transit when what it actually it means us that you get a direct link between the hood and your front door

>>211496080
this guy gets it>>211496097 the point is no matter how unions ended up, they're the reason you're not being worked to death right now. also the reason for such a huge push for diversified workplaces.

>>211496123
no, you.

>>211496158
>they're the reason you're not being worked to death right now.
That's not true at all. In Highschool I worked at a non-union shop that was still family run, and there's no incentive to "work people to death" at all. Infact they were the easiest to deal with in terms of employee/employer relationship.

>>211496158
Working qualified workers trained to do a complicatsd job to death isn't a good strategy of resource usage either. Henry Ford pretty much figured that out himself

>>211496228
i forgot that history started when you were in high school.

>>211496158
The problem is there's no counterfactual
You look at countries that had union movements and are first world, and then credit the unions with their workplace being first world
But you can have good work places without unions. You can have first world countries who treat their employees well without a union

>>211496252
it is if it makes line go up

and ford's main contribution to the industrial revolution was figuring out its more profitable to reduce jobs to their simplest possible form, so as anyone can do it, than it is to rely upon skilled labor.

>>211496200
I'm starting to think that you're huffing premium 1980's reserve leaded gasoline stored in oak caskets here mane, don't be rama rama as they'd say in down under.

>>211496158
>being worked to death
Didn't happen because it makes no sense. Even slaves were not worked to death, especially after the imports slowed down. Only in specific situations where slavery is on a timer (like in gulags) were people actually worked to death.

>>211496313
its hilarious to me that you're sitting there acting like history has no influence upon the modern day

>>211496297
Yeah it's a bummer that workers were exploited a century ago when all this shit was essentially invented. It's got very little basis these days

>>211496313
anon you are talking to people who larp at being a real person on 4chan

>>211496455
>>211496449

>>211496373
The thing is, the capitalist pigs figured out that it DIDN'T.
He also came up with the idea of reduced work hours, profit sharing, extra benefits to retain his skilled workers. Also made massive investments in the new soviet republic. Out of selfish reasons, true, but worked out for all parties

>>211496502
The Armenian genocide was 100 years ago shall I start complaining about this whenever Turkey gets mentioned?

>>211496416
if it makes line go up, it makes sense, is the point you're desperate to ignore.

shit, the FDA exists because of all the jews in the dairy industry who'd put chalk in spoiled milk to save a few shekels.

>>211496546
if we're talking about something directly influenced by the armenian genocide, like union influence upon labor conditions in the first world, sure.

>>211496449
You're not talking about history though
You're not saying that Germany had unions since 1850 and introduced the 5 day work week in 1900, while France had them since 1830 and introduced the 5 day work week in 1870
You're just saying that unions exist and then crediting them with any improvement in working conditions

>>211496455
the same people who say this turn around and complain about immigrants driving down wages and taking american jobs when a strong labor union and protectivist laws for labor would prevent it if the right or left had any interest in supporting american labor. it’s nice that you had a good experience at a mom and pop shop it’s a big country with a lot of amoral people in business who don’t give a shit if they don’t legally have to.

>>211496610
>You're just saying that unions existED and then crediting them with any improvement in working conditions

because every improvement in working conditions was paid for with the blood of unionized workers.

>>211496610
Unions are what literally built modern American industry and the middle class that has been slowly eroded since unions were neutered.

>>211496540
the capitalists didn't figure out anything, their hands were tied every time they overreached.

>>211496670
>because every improvement in working conditions was paid for with the blood of unionized workers.
This is what democrats actually believe

>>211496590
>if we're talking about something directly influenced by the armenian genocide
My point is it's an irrelevant topic regardless. When I talk about how it's absolutely retarded that the Department of buttfuck is unionized despite being public sector, talking about kids working in a coal mine 92 years ago is fucking STUPID.

>>211496636
>complain about immigrants
You're just too short sighted. Unions have absolutely nothing to do with preventing immigrants from driving wages down. With cheap labor even at the bottom of the working class sector, ALL jobs across the board experience a drop in wages. Hence the reason a man could afford to feed a family simply by painting houses in the 60s. If he was able to do that, then anyone working jobs above that skill grade automatically made more money,

>>211496679
This is such a silly platitude.

>>211496313
>But you can have good work places without unions
Anon you can have those BECAUSE of unions.
I mean look at the history of the labor movement.
Because people unironically fought and died for certain rights and protections is what caused industry to stop treating its employees like grist for the mill.
Unions were created originally as a unified group to FORCE collective bargaining because companies were just as happy to let you get chewed up in machinery as they were to send someone to your house to break your legs if you complained too loudly.
Eventually there was enough popular support that the government recognized the concerns of industrial laborers and began putting regulations in place to provide for minimal safety.
Once that happened you didn't need to unionize because because the industry already saw how that goes, and were more amenable to collective bargaining.
In other countries that didn't unionize directly were still neighbors to those countries that did and realized if they didn't get ahead of the curve they'd just have to go through the same messy ordeal.
Or as time goes on, they're a developing country and you can swoop in and exploit the couple of decades where you can treat people like meat-robots to get the cheapest treatment.
What unions have become since then is another discussion entirely.

>>211464505
Thanks for reminding me the future astronaut filled cities simply weren't walkable enough, rabbi.

>>211496747
The funny part is that it isn’t. Democrats vote against their labor interests and Biden broke the railroad strike. If you genuinely believe Dems care about labor then you have been tricked like their voter base.

>>211496782
Unions could have everything to do with that if the economic system and labor laws were designed to protect American industry. If anyone in power gave a shit about native labor vs. profit then they’d do something about it, it’s that simple.

>>211496679
Urbanization and the second industrial revolution are what made the middle class. The railways conquered the west. Coolies built the railways, and they were not unionized

>>211496679
I am pro union, but they weren't the only thing that made the US the strongest golem and #1 choice for brown retard immigrants.

>>211496747
its what anyone with a functional knowledge of history knows for fact. unions built the country and fear of effective unionization is what ground the country back down to its current state.

>>211496730
They must be extremely competent and innovative to consistently make the line go up with their hands being tied every time they overreached, despite not being able to enslave humans as babies in order to work them to death and drink their blood when they are at death's doorstep

>>211496863
>Unions could have everything to do with that if the economic system and labor laws were designed to protect American industry.
In practice all this does is put all the eggs in one basket which directly leads to corruption right there after.

>>211464915
>>211465091
Yes actually.

>>211496824
It’s not. Workers were being maimed and dying in factories, and the only thing that pulled them out of sweatshop like conditions into reasonable hours and well paid wages is organized striking and labor. It shouldn’t be controversial for workers to stand up for themselves and every failing and undermining of the labor system in American can be directly linked back to politicians prioritizing personal profit over their voting base.

>>211496782
The history of unions in the first world is always relevant to labor conditions in the first world, to global industry, etc.

>>211469814
just as whites failed to maintain the rust belt and are now deluding themselves with tarrifs lmao,

>>211496929
>Workers were being maimed and dying in factories, and the only thing that pulled them out of sweatshop like conditions into reasonable hours and well paid wages is organized striking and labor.
This simply is not true. Sure there's examples but it's ludicrous and silly to sit there and believe that the entire work force were like Egyptian slaves before unionization came about
>>211496939
>is always relevant
Yet another platitude

>>211484299
Europeans threw all of their cultures away to pursue Marxism. Genuinely, just kill yourselves already. You act like jews now. No honor, just retarded klepto professional victims.

>>211496894
As someone with a functional knowledge of history please answer a question for me
In 1914, when Henry Ford raised the daily wage from $2.25 to $5, what union was responsible?
The United Auto Workers became active in 1936, 22 years ago, for reference.

>>211496929
Everything you just said is a socialist myth

>>211496901
you mean like getting the government to classify corporations as citizens and then rule that limitations on lobbying/bribery, the only form of speech corporations have, is protected under the first amendment, and thus any limitation or regulation on bribery is unconstitutional?

yeah that was pretty competent/innovative.

>>211496913
Only because you’re used to America being completely broken. The undermining of American labor resulted in the mob corruption and complete decline because no one had interest in protecting unions or defending laborers from a place of political power that could affect change, and then this is used as justification after the fact that labor organizing doesn’t work when all the profit motivated people have no interest in letting it work.

>>211496968
True, a certain tribe did push for america to become a finance and services economy, shipping all the essential manufacturing capabilities to their pet communist state and whites did not depose them.

>>211497009
>historical fact? that's just a platitude

>>211497038
Yeah OSHA laws and our standard work weeks are based on myth. Great work, election tourist.

>>211497067
>you mean like getting the government to classify corporations as citizens and then rule that limitations on lobbying/bribery,
Do you know anything about what Citizens United was actually about?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
During the 2004 presidential campaign, the organization filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) charging that advertisements for Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11, a docudrama critical of the Bush administration's response to the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, constituted political advertising and thus could not be aired within the 30 days before a primary election or 60 days before a general election. The FEC dismissed the complaint after finding no evidence that advertisements featuring a candidate within the proscribed time limits had actually been made.[7] In response, Citizens United produced the documentary Celsius 41.11, which is highly critical of both Fahrenheit 9/11 and 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry. The FEC, however, held that showing Celsius 41.11 and advertisements for it would violate the Federal Election Campaign Act, because Citizens United was not a bona fide commercial film maker.[8]
Michael Moore movies were being used for political purposes. Republicans tried to play by the same rules as Michael Moore and they get stopped. That's the decision Citizens United is overturning. It is establishing a precedent where Dinesh Dasouzas One Thousand Mules and Bill Maher's Religulous are held to the same standard

>>211497085
>no one had interest in protecting unions or defending laborers from a place of political power that could affect change,
Or maybe it's because everyone saw it for what it was, where the lowest denominator of employee had a better deal than the hardest working employee
>>211497104
>what I say is fact because I'm 12 years old!

>>211496747
Thats a true statement though. You just conflate unions NOW with unions THEN.
And you also don't realize just how nasty some of these places were to live and work.
My mom lives in a town in south georgia that was originally a "Mill Village" which was a big mill owned by one wealthy family after slavery. They owned the town store, and all the property and housing, you'd go work for them, and they wouldn't pay you in money, you'd get vouchers that could only be redeemed at the town store that they owned and set prices, and pay for room and board, which they also owned and set the prices.
You had no way to save money because you didn't earn money, you earned funbux, and they made sure wages and prices were firmly fixed so everyone was basically forced to work at a deficit. If you wanted to leave you were free to, but its a long walk to the nearest town and odds are good its just another operation like the one you left.
Meanwhile the people who own the mill were filthy rich, and I mean the kind of institutional wealth that still has them living comfortably to this day.

>>211497036
Henry Ford is notable because he believed in supporting his labor because he understood their value in relation to his business. His actions increased productivity and worker happiness because they had work life balances and good wages, things that unions do support in a working system. One example of a manufacturer doing things right doesn’t make for every other amoral business owner that was fine with child labor if it meant paying cents instead of dollars.

>>211497127
>Yeah OSHA laws and our standard work weeks are based on myth.
It's simply a guidance method. As an actual person that's worked in factories, there were plenty of times we would skip "the safe route" because it takes up too much time, is annoying, and impractical. These decisions were made by us without any of the managements input

>>211497137
now read the supreme court ruling. then understand what it means.

>>211497171
>uuuh unions aren’t fair! better scrap the whole idea of labor rights and organization because of bad actors
very smart thinking

>>211497287
>very smart thinking
Yeah it sounds stupid when you throw a tantrum and create a strawman like this

>>211497262
Congrats on being unsafe and potentially harming yourself and others to save your boss some money.

>>211497329
What's so funny is if little faggots like you made these quips in the actual setting you'd just get belted in the mouth

>>211497316
you sound stupid no matter how you try to deny the influence of effective collective bargaining in the past upon labor conditions today

>>211497316
You haven’t made a point beyond “yeah people thought unions were corrupt and or unfair and that’s why they’re ba without acknowledging why anyone thinks that in the first place today.

>>211494675
>this book that no one has ever actually seen and confirms all my conservative talking points is definitely real
>evidence? Why this scan of a 1975 tabloid of course

>>211464415 (OP)
What is particularly remarkable is their exceptional road infrastructure, which has minimal to no potholes.
>>211464505
>we loved playing with our shit in the mud, but freemasons decided to build the country.

>>211497377
You’re very tough with your tongue to your boss’ boots. Why be so defensive of your own cuckolding?

>>211497239
Henry Ford is villified because he's not one of that certain group of people. Similar to how Rockefeller's name gets dragged, but never his competitor, the red shield crowd.

>>211464415 (OP)
GOOD MORNING BALTIMORE
EVERY DAY IS LIKE AN OPEN DOOR
EVERY NIGHT IS A FANTASY
EVERY SOUND IS A SYMPHONY

>>211497329
Unsafe is literally an Orwell word you fucking socialist psychopath

>>211497385
You're a fucking child that's never had to work a hard day in their life. Yes bringing up unions of the early previous century is irrelevant. It's just like saying, "ATLEAST WE AREN'T SPEAKING GERMAN!" in relation to todays world affairs.

>>211497387
I'm just calling a spade a spade

>>211497443
... the point was your bosses would physically attack you for speaking up... is what you missed.

>>211497443
>He says while he sits in the corner, unemployed

>>211497499
>that's never had to work a hard day in their life

Thanks to unions.

>>211497541
Thanks for finally admitting you're just a lazy wimp,

>>211497489
damn, didn't know 1984 was written in the 16th century

>>211497329
If OSHA was truly enforced illegal Immigranten labor would not be financially feasible, precisely because of what you allude to.
Let us then agree upon deporting all illegal immigrants and full on adherence to OSHA

>>211497591
the point is you've never worked a hard day in your life either. you don't even know what hard work is. because you've never experienced it, and hopefully never will, thanks to unions.

>>211497703
>humans were all in iron chains working in volcano settings until unions came along
This is why nobody takes you crusty children seriously. Go get a septum piecing faggot

>>211497756
and now you're throwing a tantrum.

>>211497826
You already have your septum pierced, don't you. Just like with BLM, only true inner city scum are the ones shouting it the loudest. In your case, the laziest are the ones screaming "union strong!"

>>211497897
tell me more about this person you dreamed up to embody everything you don't like.

>>211497499
>spade
A lot of odd terms for obsolete farm implements being used in this thread

>>211497933
>dreamed up
Meanwhile in reality

>>211497956
and is this "reality" in the room with you right now?

>>211497956
Laurence Fishburne here must be a very good earner to be able to afford that LV bag, what is she doing for an even fairer compensation?

>>211498004
>the UAW strikes you witnessed were actually fake!
Notice anything in these pictures?

>>211498085
>YOU THINK LAQUISHA SHOULDN HAVE THAT LOUI HAND BAG??? WELL 120 YEARS AGO SOMEONE DIED IN A FACTORY ASSHOLE!

>>211498087
I see, I see... and how does that make you feel?

>>211498140
Ah now that you're backed into a corner youre just going to backpedal and make snide quips. Perhaps youll grow up some day

>>211498139
and now you just sound jealous.

>>211498185
You denying the history of the environment you were raised in because a negro has an expensive purse hasn't backed anyone into any corner.

>>211497085
>labor organizing doesn’t work when all the profit motivated people have no interest in letting it work.

Unions today don't give a shit about non-unionized workers, they have no interest in expanding unionization, just in getting more for their _own_ union workers and the hell with everybody else.

If you go to the UAW's website for example and try to look up unionization, all it tells you is "talk to your coworkers about getting a union!" which of course will only get you fired when someone rats you out to management.

Unions used to _actively promote unionization_ they went around holding rallies and trying to get non-union shops unionized but nowadays, they just sit on their hands and leave everybody else swinging in the wind.

>>211498253
>Unions today don't give a shit about non-unionized workers

they don't need to. their actions directly affect non-union labor.

>>211498251
>jealous
Maybe 20 years ago when I was a teen and the prospect of being around a bunch of lazy blacks making $30/hr seemed like a promising prospect, but then I grew up and joined reality

>>211497661
Why would OSHA enforce immigration? That's like wondering why the FDA isn't writing parking tickets.

>>211498298
yep, jealous.

>>211498282
If it's all about the worker then why do they seethe and cry over Right to Work? Upset they can't take out $60 a check while representing the worst shit heads vastly below me?

>>211498326
OSHA doesn't allow for unregistered workers.

>>211498329
Lol you really are like the nigger that believes everyone else is jealous they have a bridge card. Oh I totally wish the only thing keeping me employed was union bureaucracy it's such a wonderful lifestyle!

>>211498333
>why do unions care about being unable to unionize

... anon?

>>211498371
Not everyone, just the people actively/audibly seething about it. Such as yourself, right now, in this thread, for hours, while talking about all the hard work you do.

>>211498364
Game. Set. Match.

>>211498411
Right to work doesn't have anything to do with not being able to unionize you stupid fuck, it means they have to represent workers that don't pay dues.
>>211498451
Of course it's easy to double down on your nonsense when you've never actually held a job in your life and have no idea what you're talking about

>>211496030
Sounds like academic gobblety-gook. Fuck off

>>211498532
>Right to work doesn't have anything to do with not being able to unionize
>the term right-to-work laws refers to state laws that prohibit union security agreements
>A union security agreement is a contractual agreement, usually part of a union collective bargaining agreement

... anon?!

>>211498532
You know its really fun to be objectively correct and backed by historical fact while someone, such as yourself, screams, cries, and shits themselves in response, desperate to shout down facts... because a negro was able to finance an expensive purse.

>>211498588
That anon is right. Right to work doesn't prevent you from joining or forming a union, it prevents unions from requiring that a business force it's employees to join the union as condition of employment. As we all know any deal so good you have to be forced into it is definitely a good deal and in your best interests.

>>211498702
>a union being unable to engage in effective collectively bargaining has nothing to do with being unable to join a union

a union that can't engage in effective collective bargaining may as well not exist.

>>211498588
Yes, you are a fuckin dumbass who is pasting google results that you don't understand

>>211498780
I accept your concession.

>>211498649
Yeah I remember when I was 19 years old and believed what I thought were objective unassailable facts, and then it turns out I was just a immature faggot with 0 life experience!

>>211498282
>>Unions today don't give a shit about non-unionized workers
>they don't need to. their actions directly affect non-union labor.

Only the broadest sense and only after years of foot dragging by corporations bribing politicians to stop it from happening.

Unions need to be setting up tents in front of non-union shops and actively helping workers to unionize and they need to be passing out fliers for mass rallies, etc. Instead, they do fuck all as overall union membership continues to decline.

>>211498776
A union that can't convince new workers to join of their own volition may as well not exist.

Again, if the union actually has a reason for existing and is a good thing, then they should have no problem convincing workers to join.

>>211498814
You've incorrectly interpreted what you copy and pasted since you're young, immature, and have no life experience.

>>211498842
>unions force companies to have tolerable work conditions and fair pay
>other companies, not wanting to deal with a union, provide tolerable work conditions and fair pay
>random retard on 4chan: ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER BECAUSE A NIGGER HAS A PURSE

>>211498871
a union that can be collectively terminated has no power

>>211498875
no need to concede twice.

>>211498928
>>other companies, not wanting to deal with a union, provide tolerable work conditions and fair pay
Not wanting to deal with a union is whats going on in your dumb fucking head. In reality as it turns out business owners are normal people who don't have an incentive to treat their employees like slaves

>>211498976
>>211498946
At this point you're literally a little kid with their finger in their ears kicking and screaming

>>211498976
>simply restating his retarded opinions again without addressing the point
Way to out yourself as a slimy communist kike

>>211498995
capitalism is an incentive to treat employees like slaves.

>>211498842
>Unions need to be setting up tents in front of non-union shops
Hard to do when the company will just close & move the factory somewhere else in the US, probably another country

>>211499030
No, you.

>>211499046
>Right to work removes a union's capacity to collectively bargain effectively
>that

>>211499053
Go dye your hair

>>211499103
>still doesn't understand his google AI search result
>repeats himself because his mind hasn't graduated from elementary school

>>211499108
see >>211497933

Its really adorable watching you have literally zero arguments.

>>211499145
>arguing with a teenaged commie
I was you 20 years ago, upset that I couldn't smoke weed and work part time for a living

>>211499144
feel free to walk me through how making it so unions can't form contracts with employers doesn't reduce the ability of unions to collectively bargain. I want to hear this.

>>211499198
I'm older than you and its starting to seem like I've got at least 40 IQ points on you.

>>211499250
>feel free to walk me through how making it so unions can't form contracts with employers doesn't reduce the ability of unions to collectively bargain.
That's not whats happening you fucking dumbass. Right to work means that when I go and work for the post office, I don't automatically have to give the NALC money out of my checks for representation

>>211499053
I work for a company that has never had a union. In an industry that generally doesn't have unions.

They pay extremely well, offer extensive benefits, health care, offer more PTO and sick time than is required by law, paternity leave that matches maternity leave, and a hundred other incentives. All of that without ever having had to have union involved.

Because there are Capitalists out there that actually care about the people who work for them and want to invest in them. Yeah, a lot of Capitalists suck ass and just exploit people, but anyone who has worked in the real fucking world knows that isn't a universal truth. By that same measure a lot of Union reps are corrupt shitbags who just want an easy skim off the top of hard working people and don't give a shit about actually doing anything to help those workers. The only union i've been (forced) to join in my working life was basically owned lock stock and barrel by the people who owned the stores.

It isn't Capitalism that creates greedy assholes, it's people themselves. It's just how we are. The Soviet Union replaced their Capitalists with greedy fucking middle manager bureaucrats and basically nothing changed except everyone was collectively just a little more miserable.

>>211499250
>I'm older than you and its starting to seem like I've got at least 40 IQ points on you.
Your birth year starts with 2 shut the fuck up

>>211499312
>Right to work means that when I go and work for the post office, I don't automatically have to join NALC
because there's no contract in place requiring that, because its illegal in right to work states. Meaning there's nothing preventing the summary termination of union workers.

Jesus you really are breakfast tier.

>>211499342
>i don't understand, i did have breakfast.

Unions are why you have those things.

>>211499347
and we're back to >>211497933, again.

>>211499423
I WORK IN AN INDUSTRY THAT DOES NOT AND NEVER HAS HAD UNIONS

Learn to read you fucking mongoloid

>>211499483
failing to see how labor practices are connected across industries is literal "but I did have breakfast" tier 80 iq cognition.

>>211499380
>because there's no contract in place requiring that, because its illegal in right to work states. Meaning there's nothing preventing the summary termination of union workers.
Why do you insist on inventing reality that doesn't exist. No that's not even close, it's virtually impossible to get fired from the post office you dumbass

>>211499592
>why do you insist upon reasoning based upon historical facts rather than a fantasy of benevolent capitalists?

because I can map a concept and tell you how I'd feel had i not had breakfast this morning.

>>211499476
Your birth year starts with 2

>>211499553
>It works the way I think it does... Because it just does!

Whatever, i'm done arguing with a mental teenager. Just keep in mind that forcing people to do things against their will, will eventually wind up with you hanging from a tree or with a bullet in your head.

>>211499592
>>211499617
at this point it seems more like you're trying to convince yourself than anyone else.

>>211499652
>capitalists are afraid of being murdered that's why they're benevolent... it had nothing to do with unions

well at least you've proven you can somewhat understand disincentivization... even if its only "don't want to be murdered."

>>211498928
>unions force companies to have tolerable work conditions and fair pay

Again; only in the broadest sense. Detroiter here, who has worked in non-Big Three auto assembly plants and the pay and benefits are shit and you'll be working endless hours for slave driver management.

It's nothing at all like what actual unionized Big Three workers get.

>>211499726
its still better than what you'd have without unions ever existing, and also proof they will push people as hard as they can get away with.

>>211499664
How much did you pay for your house and when?

>>211499908
200k four years ago, lump sum.

>>211499726
Where'd you work?

>>211498582
You’re a retard