Thread 211510745

Nu Trek is a fucking Joke and Everybody Hates It Edition

>>211510745 (OP)
>Nu Trek is a fucking Joke and Everybody Hates It Edition
And now it's canceled. Good riddance.

>>211510745 (OP)
Of course everyone wanted to talk to the VA for AGIMUS

>>211510885
Redeemed Agimus is best Agimus.

!

The gay cartoon is spammer is back. Put the general back on hiatus again.

sexooooo with the CBS computer (I got bitten by the ENT coomer under a full moon 9

>>211510988
He goes away if you ignore him but you retards are doing the opposite today.

>>211511031
It's Father's Day, he's just trying to soothe the pain of having his wormhole to the gamma quadrant breached by the Dad Hadar. It's an annual tradition

>Sunday night
>Vacation over
>Work tomorrow

>>211511031
Nah, he's crashing out because SNW got canceled. There's really nothing we can do.

>>211510885
>>211510947
>>211511026
>so butthurt he starts avatarfagging as a random Rick and Morty Trek character
You DO know that's against the rules, right?

>>211511184
To be fair, "cancelled in two more seasons" is like saying "you'll be dead in a hundred years," who cares?

>>211510861
>it takes two years just to make 10 episodes
>it'll take another year just to make another 10
>and another just to make 6

>>211511353
that's a venture bros op tempo if i ever saw one

>>211511353
Don't worry, they're good, quality Star Trek episodes that are a RETURN TO FORM for the storytelling of the series

Such as: the Klingon Musical episode!

>>211511315
>cancelled in two more seasons
SNW will end with just as many episodes as Prodigy, the biggest NuTrek failure. Good job, I guess. What a hit!

>>211510745 (OP)
>everyone wants to meet Jeffery Combs, but not anyone else.

how embarrassing.

>>211511393
you are speaking shit to me

>>211511393
>the Klingon Musical episode
If only. Star Trek deserves better than the wannabe Lin-Manuel Miranda slop in SNW.

>>211511353
>Season 1 - 2022. 10 episodes
>Season 2 - 2023. 10 episodes
>Season 3 - 2025(!). 10 episodes
>Season 4 - 2026? 10 episodes
>Season 5 - 2027? 6 episodes
Fucking grim.

>>211510885
>oh shit, people don't like our original characters such as Mikey Spock and Mikey Spock 2.0
>what should we do?!
>let's bring back actors Trekkies ACTUALLY like to prop up our shitty shows

Fuck, remember that Section 31 movie? Paramount really memory-holed, huh.

Would you battle to marry a flirty vulcan woman.

>>211511541
I think Saved By The Bell Riots is an idiotic idea but you're really saying that giving the audience what they want is somehow bad. You're begging the question
That said the academy show will be absolute shit

>>211511911
i would not marry that conniving slut

>>211511353
So two years to find out if the writers end the show with Pike getting vegetized or if they asspull a way to save him. I'm sure all 100 viewers can't wait. >>211511380
Venture Bros was consistently good though. It was worth the grueling breaks.

>>211511976
>but you're really saying that giving the audience what they want is somehow bad
Except they're not giving the audience what they want. They're just cynically exploiting your nostalgia. You think they actually care? They probably have an AI that is doing all this shit for them, which is why whenever they do memberberries they get the facts wrong.
I'd rather have Star Trek that is honest about shitting on me than Star Trek that is shitting on me but gaslighting me about it. All these shows shit on the audience in some way. Except Prodigy maybe because it's made by legit fucking autismos. And predictably Paramount gave them the middle finger.

>>211511353
All TV shows are like this now. I don't understand what happened to Hollywood. They used to pump out 24 episodes a year for 7 years straight, and they were way higher quality in every aspect than what passes for TV today. Did everyone in the industry just become completely incompetent and retarded?

>>211512280
>They probably have an AI that is doing all this shit for them, which is why whenever they do memberberries they get the facts wrong.
Kek I showed this screenshot to Grok and it told me the photo was of Q. That's the artificial "intelligence" they have overseeing scripts over at Paramount +

>>211512330
unions

>>211512330
>Did everyone in the industry just become completely incompetent and retarded?
Corporate greed. I'm not even a pinko lefty, but on the air (and especially with syndication), there's more competition and people give a fuck about ratings. Streaming and "prestige tv" lock people into walled gardens. A comparable example is the Internet before the walled gardens of CompuServe, Prodigy and AOL. Stream slop is just Endless September for TV.

>>211512330
Nothing’s changed in terms of production. They still make these things in batches of 20 episodes. But the streaming model necessitates that they drip feed the episodes to keep the cattle subscribed.

>>211512330
They were trying to hit the "100 episodes so we can get residuals from syndication" mark in the old days, that is specifically what was special about the 25 episode per season mark, why some had less, some had more -- always it was with the drive of hitting 100 in mind.

They were originally going to cancel DS9 after S5 according to Michael Dorn, if he had not been brought in. They specifically just wanted to hit 100 episodes, send it to syndication, and forget about it.

Take Trek episode titles and be immature
>DATAWHORE (Datalore)
>DICKLESS (Timeless)
>WASCALS (Rascals)
>THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (Hannah Montana)
>FERENGI LOVE THONGS (Ferengi Love Songs)

>>211512517
nobody would think to drop their sub if there were new episodes every week for 6 months.
the reason they dont make long seasons anymore is because it costs less to make the 8 hour movies and HBO conditioned consoomers into believing that format is inherently better than episodic commerical television

>>211512517
I think they make an 8 episode first season to test the waters. Then if it's a hit, they shoot two more seasons back to back, causing a shorter hiatus. Netflix One Piece isn't coming back until 2026. Which means the actors will be well into their thirties trying to play teenagers. The model is so broken that a show can be on the air 10 years and not even produce 50 episodes.

>>211512839
City on the Edge of Who Gives a Fuck

>>211512839
Stop trying to mine /trek/ for Trek and Morty episode titles, Kurtzman.

>>211512839
Tudix

>>211510745 (OP)
Is this one line to meet all three?

>>211512460
I agree that's definitely a factor. But the same thing is happening to anime and other shit that isn't full of union BS. I think another big part of it is that network episode orders are being chopped down into units that work better for streaming service contracts

>>211513062
anime has been unionized since the 60s

>>211513032
Even if it was, no one is hanging around for newtrek. They are getting what they want and leaving

>>211513329
>Dagger of the Pants
>Fornication: Part 2
>One Little Dick
>Taboo
>Masturbators

>>211510273
Then why don't you write it.

>>211511420
Am I the only one that thinks Janeway sounds like Prymaat Conehead? Every time Voyager gets hit with something, I expect her to start screaming "Beldar! Mebs! Mebs!"

>>211513329
>>211513438
>Kirk investigates an experimental facility for holding prisoners and finds a sinister dame

>Picard and Data travel to investigate an unauthorized missionary undertaken by the Federation's legendary Mr. Spock

>Hidden on a water shrunken Runabout, Dax, O'Brien, and Bashir are Sisko's only hope when the Jem'Hardar overtake the Defiant

>Chakotay is stranded on a moon inhabited by natives with ties to his ancestors and he must commit the ultimate taboo

>In need of fuel, Enterprise visits a mining colony for deuterium supplies. The crew discovers that the colony is being controlled by Klingon coomers who are regularly pillaging the mined deuterium and much more

>>211513581
She's very clearly doing a dollar store Patricia Neal impression and has been doing it her whole career.

>>211511499
This makes me appreciate how hard the TNG cast worked.

I bet nu Trek gets paid more lol.

>>211512330
I think companies like Netflix are afraid of ordering 20+ episodes in case the show fails.

>>211513581
I hate that movie on a level that can't be described or understood. I've hated since 1993 and when I think of it I can feel myself back in that year hating it.

>>211514102
It was also a series of sketches on Saturday Night Live.

>>211514193
Yes but that was before my time

>>211514001
>This makes me appreciate how hard the TNG cast worked.
I thought Datalore was the season one finale when I watched it on N*****x a few years ago. Imagine my shock to discover the season wasn't even 2/3 of the way through and they still delivered such a banger.

>>211510745 (OP)
Nigga, it's jeffery motherfucking combs.
He's been on damn near every single star trek there was and is sci-fi/horror movie royalty.
He was out acting christopher lee himself in the re-animator.
Which by the way, had better acting and writing then every episode of picard combined.

Of course he's going to have a mile long line.

>>211510745 (OP)

Meanwhile in the Real World.

NB4 You insist the passengers are being held hostage by Somali pirates hired by Paramount+

>>211514482
its more the fact that the others have absolutely no line

>>211514244
Dare I ask why you hate the Coneheads movie so much? I thought it was fun.

>>211514521
Although I understand why so many people would want to know why they make a Star Trek with wussy characters that cry, and started right off with an alternate-universe plot line that's usually reserved for when a show completely runs out of ideas, I can't imagine why people would stand in line for such revelations.

>>211514561
I can't explain but there's something deeply repulsive about it. My hate for is best described as primordial.

Saw one of these last thursday irl

>>211514521
Wow! A grand total of... 153 people. Amazing!

>>211513458
I'm not a fanfiction faggot. I write OC rather than piggyback on someone else's ideas.

>>211514521
>themed cruiseship
>real world

>>211514521
not gonna lie, for some reason the Somali pirate joke always gives me a sensible chuckle.
Vaguely related. According to the series bible Geordi was born in Somalia. Where was Jordi DeBarge born?

>>211514818
where at?

Sup friends of Garak?

>>211515012
a dave & busters

>>211515063
did they have any trek prizes?

>>211515103
not sure i didn't get a chance to look at it too closely

>>211515038
i would not be friends with Garak

>>211514749
Well, I'm sorry to hear that. There were many moments I enjoyed, but one that stands out is a conversation between David Spade's characters and his superior, Michael McKean's character:
"If they are in fact aliens from another planet, sir, doesn't that make them Air Force jurisdiction?"
"If they're just visiting, sure. But the minute they try to work here, they're mine."

>>211514818
>machine reskin shows art from every series
>card drops are just TOS
I'm a sucker for coin pushers, but this is a hard pass for me. If they did starship card drops from every series, I'd probably throw away hundreds of bucks on this. But this is just lame

>>211515222
idgi

>>211514894
>someone should write this
>nooooo not me i'm too awesome

>>211514879
love how the nutrek hater actually takes the time to count this, like how barneyfag has an encyclopaedic knowledge of every scene from every episode of MLP so he can point out pixels and GIF frames from a show that he ostensibly hates
he who fights monsters should take care not to become a monster, and when you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes back into you

>>211515242
i would get kirk, spock and mccoy and then leave. if it was a ds9 cabinet i would collect them all.

>>211514879

> Just flat put denying what he sees

Guess that's one way to deal with Reality.

>>211515268
>taking a dumb dad joke with three puns seriously

>>211514666
The alternate universe story was sewing the seeds for when they save Pike at the end. It's the goal of these showrunners to be as subversive and anti-source material as possible.
>That hack Gene Roddenberry. What did HE know? I can tell the story better than he ever could!

I do not disapprove.

>>211515297
>>211515291
You think you're gonna fool anyone with these videos? "Oh, here's a long line, look how popular it is!"
You're pathetic.

>>211515459
gross

>>211515357
>That hack Gene Roddenberry. What did HE know? I can tell the story better than he ever could!
"This but unironically"

t. Gene Coon

>>211510745 (OP)
gee its as if people dont want to interact with the actors that play faggots in their scifi show because they dont relate to them since fags dont watch scifi
i would argue they would have fans if they werent fags in the show, black is a doctor but isnt anything like previous startreks, and the spore guy is like smart but because they are fags it overshadows everything else ruining them

>>211515261
Because he's such a joyless, imagination-free bureaucrat. He's confronted with something wondrous like first contact with an alien civilization, and only cares that they're not legal to work here.

>>211515522

> You think you're gonna fool anyone with these videos? "Oh, here's a long line, look how popular it is!" You're pathetic! Not me! You!!!

The first five episodes of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds S03 have gone out to reviewers ahead of the July debut. Looks like another great season of New Trek.

>>211516203
Every minute you spend defending your finished series is a minute you can't spend writing Altered Beast: The Series, you thumbskull. Elf needs food, badly!

>>211516203

>Look at me, I'm just copy and pasting your comment but with more exclamation marks and a Rick and Morty picture next to it!!!!
>I'm totally not crashing out because something I spent years of my life shilling for online is ending with a whimper.

Fuck off ClingingMars

>>211516689
Cut him some slack. He's been a NEET since Paramount cancelled his show.

>>211511184
The only good thing about NuTrek was that with all the garbage in Star Trek Picard, they had Wil Wheaton RIGHTTHERE, and said, nah We don't want Wesley Crusher back in any form whatsoever. That will never not be hysterical to me because fuck Wil Wheaton. So hey, nuTrek was based and hilarious exactly one time. They're like a broken clock.

>>211516893
Oh man, thanks for reminding that Paramount canceled Wheton's Ready Room too. What a shitshow.

>two seasons of old Trek was 52 episodes
>five """seasons""" of nuTrek is only 46

>>211515038
Gay dogwhistles creep me out

>>211516962
>2 seasons of Prodigy (40 episodes) is considered a gargantuan failure
>4 seasons of other NuTreks (40 episodes) is huge hit
Paramount Logic

>>211517046
Isn't Prodigy 30 minutes instead of an hour

Nu Trekers should be shipped to ore processing.

>>211515038
You like Garak because you decided he's gay. I like Garak because he murders people with style. We can't be friends.

>>211517085
It is. It's just funny how people cope that SNW was success despite ending with as many episodes as fucking Prodigy.

>>211517046
prodigy was just a scam to siphon money from nickelodeon

>>211517118
>You like Garak because you decided he's gay. I like Garak because he murders people with style. We can't be friends.
Gay people murder with style all the time. Look at Jeffrey Dahmer.

Why is it still posting old shitty bait from like two years ago about STD being the number one blah blah

>>211517647
it's father's day and he has bad memories

What are some of your favorite 'bad' episodes? For me it's:
>Sub Rosa
>The Muse
>Move Along Home
>Threshold
>A Night In Sickbay

>>211517801
Up The Long Ladder

>>211517801
>tfw Spock's Brain enjoyer

>>211517801
>Move Along Home
kek. do people really hate this one?

>>211517801
Spock's Brain
Code of Honor
Masks
The Muse (DS9)

>>211511469
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGrasobHcKA

>>211517801
Spock’s Brain, The Storyteller plus many of the others you listed. Also the one where Sisko gets in the box.

>>211517801
>The Thaw

I never understood why people say Masks is one of the worst TNG episodes. Sure, it's your typical "Brent Spiner gets to act hammy again" episodes, but it's such a bizarre, out-there plot featuring a truly alien civilization that takes a while for our heroes to understand. Wonder and mystery that was missing that late in the seventh season.

>>211517801
>Let He Who Is Without Sin...

>>211518116
i consider this one of the "comfy" episodes. the whole thing just feels like a dream.

I can’t define comfy but I can recognize it

>>211518163
Yeah it certainly has that weird dream feeling to it. Especially when they're all standing on the bridge and the lights are dim and there's like, alien plants and obelisks everywhere.

Star Trek: Bottle
Every episode is a bottle episode because the ship is stranded

>>211518378
They already did that, it's called Star Trek: Voyager

>>211518378
It’s called DS9

>H&I
>Unification, Part 2
This is one of those episodes where the plot makes no fucking sense (Romulus invading Vulcan using... stolen ships... thinking they could get away with it?) but the acting and dialogue are so compelling that you can't say it's bad

>>211518486
I always thought it was the second worst tng two parter after descent

>>211518758
they had a hard time topping The Best of Both Worlds

>>211519015
The one with Mark Twain was legendary

>>211519089
Time's Arrow is good but as a season finale/premiere it's pretty weak. Plus the ending feels anticlimactic.

>>211514482
Christopher lee wasn't in re animator !?

>>211519202
This but Unification

>>211519202
>>211519394
This but Descent

>>211519394
>>211519517
This but Gambit

>>211513329
ds9 is off again. its the 50s ep

>>211519675
holy KINO

>>211518116
Darmok was similar. Yeah it was cheesy. But it felt alien

Past Tense is the greatest Trek twoey

I'm rewatching TNG because I skipped so many episodes just based on not being interested in the episode description.

>>211519728
I never cared much for it. Star Trek without the Star Trekking. Has a few good moments though.
Of course the nutrek writers thought it was so great that they did it again but a whole ten episodes.

>>211519934
>bad taste
>mentions nutreg
Diss-missed

>>211518116
Because the idea of turning a space ship into a stone temple library thing is retarded. I refuse to believe anyone enjoys that piece of shit.

They censored "niggers" in the H&I broadcast of Far Beyond the Stars

>>211520231
Did they bleep it

>>211510861
Dont forget Starfleet Academy.....set in the 31st century

>>211520598
they muted it out, not-jake goes "to them, we'll always be ___" he still mouths it

>>211511420
It will have more than Picard. That's a plus

We’ll always be pinkskins

>>211510745 (OP)
They went too woke

Nu-Trek wouldnt be that bad if the writers werent actively sabotaging it. Everything else is there but the writing is so INSANELY bad

>>211520968
no one is passionate about anything anymore
the writers they hire don't care about what they're writing
they just treat it like any other slop TV show
that's why none of it feels like star trek. that's why none of the characters talk like they do in star trek. the producers aren't setting any rules or guidelines, either

>>211520968
You need a producer to enforce standards, absolutely. First it was Roddenberry and Coon, then Roddenberry, then it was hurley, then it was Berman and they all had standards the writers had to meet, things they weren't allowed to do

None of this seems to exist anymore, especially any sense of militarism

>>211520203
I enjoyed that episode. Who knows what the aliens were thinking when they came up with technology that could transform the Enterprise into a stone temple. Beautifully random.

>>211521104
>>211521282
I don't know if the producers these days are just retarded or if they're being pussies like "oh, we don't want the writers to feel like they're under pressure"
TOS and the 90s shows had very clear rules - what you could and couldn't do. Such as; the ship can't do this. The characters should never do that. The new shows don't seem to have those rules.

Was this the dumbest gadget in all of trek?

inb4 "waah waah that doesn't look like her": then post a better one

>>211522563
It looks like a weird doll

>>211522520
They couldn't just use an M4 with some tacticool shit, oh no, they had to make the projectile weapon retarded... Sometimes I wonder how Starfleet managed to win wars.

Pre-gender decision Lal scares the shit out of me.

>>211522839
I agree, it's absolutely a nightmare fuel design.

>>211511541
Now just please tell me this is cancelled before airing and the healing can begin.

I’m in sickbay rn. Just got a ct scan. Where’s Bev?

>>211522766
I don't remember that weapon, what is it and what's wrong with it

>>211520231
That sucks. It actually turned my head because I had no idea it was coming & I realized the episode was going places.

and that’s why it’s called DSN

>>211512330
The best talent moved to YouTube

>>211513032
it's the line for the bathroom

>>211515038
Garak is plain and simple. There's nothing plain or simple about poofters.

>Ensign, set a course for the UOH Zone. Warp 9.
>Engage.

You’re relieved ensign. I want you off my ship!

>>211510861
Fake news. The show is ending after 5 seasons (only 2 of which have actually come out). There are still 3 seasons remaining until it ends.
Canceled means something else.

>>211514666
The crying was the least of its problems. It was the fact that not only was the plot dumb but everyone talked like Joss Wedon characters that completely put me out of it.

>>211524596
This is my biggest problem with Nu-Trek.
Starfleet is a pseudo-military organisation. They are supposed to be highly competent professionals. They talk like they're high school students and I can't take any of them seriously because of it.

>>211512280
>they're not giving the audience what they want.
>They're just cynically exploiting your nostalgia
unironically what's the difference?

>>211524729
>psuedo-military
They’re full on military

>>211524729
I liked TOS's take where everyone talked like they were in a western. I'm not sure if it would had saved STD, but it would had at least made it more interesting if they kept that part of the period.

>>211524757
you are fucking retarded

>>211524915
not an answer

>>211524794
Starfleet is a peaceful organization dedicated to exploration.

>>211525058
That's armed to the teeth and has its own glowie division?

>>211524794
Roddenberry stressed constantly that Starfleet isn't a military and Picard says it out loud.
>Starfleet isn't a military, its an exploration fleet
But within the show they basically act as one so the argument is nuanced

>>211525125
it's a full-on military culture and structure then

The unintentionally implied dark shadow behind Earth being unified in enlightenment, is how the world managed to get everyone to participate in it.

>>211525125
It’s a military in every single possible way. I do not give a single FUCK what Rottenberry rambled one time. You propaganda susceptible noid.

>>211525302
Eddington I swear to the Prophets if you start up with that Maqueer bullshit again...

If you think about it the Federation are like the Borg because they want people to join them. Wake up sheeple. *eats heirloom tomato*

>>211525357
???

>>211525125
It's mega UN in space, absorbing aliens into an UN that actually can do things, which may include defense which spirals as the years go on.

>>211525350
> REEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! I DONT CARE WHAT THE CREATOR OF THIS FICTIONAL ENTITY THINKS, I'M RIGHT REEEEEEEEEE
Ok Champ, thanks for your input. Now let the grown ups finish their discussion while you go for a lie down. Such a good boy being so right.

>>211525350
>I do not give a single FUCK what Rottenberry rambled one time.
There is no crime in the Federation because everyone's brains are fixed.
>>211525409
>>211525425
MISTER WORF I NEED THOSE TORPEDOES YESTERDAY

>>211525480
You would say five lights. Pathetic.

>>211525125
For lack of an obvious Earth armed force, the Federation is left to deal with everything. Also, the ships are armed well enough to glass any planet they see on a whim.

>>211525233
I think in canon, they came from a Naval tradition according to ENT.
But NASA isn't a military and even they have ranks and structure.
Ultimately they're more than one thing, they don't really fit neatly into the definitions we currently have for military or civilians. Everyone in Starfleet would agree that their job is defence of the Federation. Everyone would also agree that their job is to explore, chart, meet new species and undertake diplomatic missions. The emphasis of those two jobs seems to change depending on who is writing the show.

>>211525125
>Functions exactly like every navy on earth but in space
>Has naval infantry
>Has black ops division
>Every ship is armed
>Is deployed to deal with conflict
>No guys I swear Starfleet is NOT military
Roddenberry didn't think that one through.

>>211525781
didn't he actually fight in a war? i think i get where he was coming from. he probably has a different perspective on the military and what it is i.e. it exists to kill the enemy. obviously that's not Starfleet

>>211525480
Late 80s alcoholic several mini-strokes Roddenberry wasn't the most reliable guy in various ways. He no show'd things constantly, said outrageous weird things in interviews (like his famous weird pedo comments), and pretty much handed over day-to-day operations of everything (including TNG S1) to his lawyer who took full advantage of his failing health.

He was kind of a mess all throughout TNG up until that last major stroke finally put him out of commission for good sadly.

>>211525781
Section 31 works for the Federation, not Starfleet. Starfleet is an organisation founded by Zeffren Cochrane and Henry Archer and predates the Federation. They are managed by the Federation in later years but they're distinct. The terms aren't interchangeable.
And technically the fleet didn't have weapons on their ships originally. Nor can Navy captains on Earth negotiate treaties or make independent decisions

>>211515291
it's a bot that makes threads and replies to itself
lee has been dead for a decade

>>211525747
You know, Starfleet and the Federation sort of act like there's still a separation between civilians and non-civ like Starfleet officers, but in practice that doesn't actually seem to be the case, as they're fully willing to screw over civilian populations like that time Sisko gassed a planet, and they keep "civilian" staff aboard all their major vessels outside of possibly the Dominion War.

>>211510745 (OP)
I liked Disco after the timeskip

>>211526087
I don't know, anon, TOS has a very distinctly military feel to it. Sure, they're exploring but the Enterprise itself and its operation is absolutely militant. The hierarchy of Starfleet is military. The uniforms, the jackboots, the way the ship operates.

And the TOS Enterprise is the definitive Enterprise that established all canon that followed.

>>211526205
The exploration thing is basically what the Royal Navy was doing for 100 years but on a much bigger scale.

>>211526205
To be fair, they didn't really have a handle on the show and lore in TOS. Kirk called himself a soldier sometimes. But he also claimed to work for Space Command, the United Earth Spaceforce and other things before they nailed down Starfleet as the name.

>>211526432
they were calling it THE Starfleet at first kek

>>211526293
For the benefit of the Crown and the EIC, not purely exploration for its sake

>>211526432
The semantics of what the organization is called is irrelevant to whether or not it was portrayed as military or not. It was definitely military in TOS.

>>211526538
Are you implying Starfleet exploration isn't for the benefit of the Fed?

>>211525125
Starfleet is a multipurpose military-exploratory-policing-diplomatic service. It fills whatever role the Federation needs at any time, whether it's fighting a war or resolving internal disputes or conducting scientific research. The naval structure is just the most convenient system to encompass all that. I don't get how so many fans rack their brains about this when it's so simple and not contradictory at all. Starfleet *can be* but is *not necessarily* a military organization.

>>211512330
>Did everyone in the industry just become completely incompetent and retarded?
Yes, actually.
Hollywood is an incestuous shithole where it's who you know rather than your talent. Daddies little girl wasn't talented or slutty enough to fuck her way to stardom even with financial backing from her father, but she wrote some horrificly terrible fanfictions as a teenager and got a bachelors in artistic writing!

>>211526550
I k ow, I'm just pointing out that they were still figuring things out in terms of how the Universe worked in TOS whereas TNG was much more confident in the lore

>>211526740
>whereas TNG was much more confident in the lore
Once Roddenberry himself was out of the way, ironically enough, yeah. But the old man had some wild, uncompromising ideas about the TNG Starfleet at first which didn't really gel with the overall lore in TOS or the movies. No internal conflict whatsoever in Starfleet, all of that. Would've made for a very boring show.

>>211526897
Roddenberry really started buying into his own cult in the 18 years between TOS and TNG and believing he was indeed a prophet of some better future. He envisioned TNG primarily as a vehicle for his utopian ideas and demanded every single aspect of the show be in service to portraying 24th century civilization as an enlightened and virtually flawless paradise where petty conflicts are no more and compassion and empathy rule the day.

>>211527092
and today we live in a world where empathy and compassion are seen as contemptible and weak

>>211513032
Wouldn't that be all the way to the left to keep the line flowing?

>>211510745 (OP)
Reminder: NuNuTrek Enterprise is powered by mushrooms.

Space mushrooms.

Someone wrote this, someone approved this.

>>211527488
I ignore all Trek made after the end of the Bernan era. And all the TNG movies too.
They're not canon, they are Riker playing games in a holodeck

should I watch VOY or ENT first

>>211527606
Watch all series in the order they were created.

>>211527238
Well, too much of anything is bad for you. I think even Kirk said that.

>>211527655
well i already haven't done that but those are the last 2 shows i haven't watched yet

>>211527606
Honestly doesn't really matter. But whichever order you do, I suggest a significant break between the 2, otherwise Braga's time travel schtick gets old fast.

>>211527488
They even named the chief engineer after the mushroom guy. FFS guys the saying is "write what you know" not "write what you heard in a podcast the other night".

>>211527845
Imagine someone hijacking your identity and turning you into a faggot on national television.

>>211527488
Exotic forms of propulsion isn't a sin.
Putting it in a prequel... well that's just... I have nothing nice to say about that.

really hate Chekov

>>211527488
Not the Enterprise though, desu

It’s a fucking military.

>>211530402
It's a mix.

On a ship of 1000 people, most of them are feeble lab technicians in a carpeted office space, hoping to complete harmless experiments and measurements in space.

The people commanding the bridge, are space navy, roaming around the galaxy looking for trouble.

>>211530586
do you think the military doesn't employ scientists?

>>211530402
No.

Wouldn't a military have grooming standards?

>>211532519
Yes. Which is why he never looked like that and they fought all the wars

>>211532519
That is how O'Brien nearly ended up in Cardassian prison.