The end of Kurtzman Trek is upon us

>>211592869 (OP)
kek, what a fucking disaster of a era. Genuinely wonder if this is the end of Trek in general. Surely they are not going to actually hand the franchise over to actual writers who are genuine fans of Trek and Futurism.

>>211592869 (OP)
Just 'Old Yeller' the whole fucking franchise already.

>>211593982
There's another thread where the same thing is said about Marvel and Star Wars. And i've seen people repeat it about Transformers and Terminator too. How about we don't put all these franchises on ice just because woketards ruined it and address the root cause instead.

>>211594378
No. I'd rather it all die and for the culture and the industry take a massive fucking vacation from huffing its own farts. If you spent every waking minute for the rest of your life watching all the movies produced to date, you'd die before you even made a dent. We don't need more crap on top of crap on top of crap on top of stuff reminiscent of the thing we liked on top of the thing we miss. Just fucking kill all of it. Spend the next hundred years devoting global time and manpower and treasure to getting us into space. Then we can reboot Superman for the fourteenth fucking time.

I can’t imagine a world where I could care enough about this to even form the semblance of an opinion.

It’s like if you told me “Coke and Diet Coke marketing will be amalgamated into a single social media department and advertisement posts reduced from every 3 days to every 5 days” I mean who gives a fuck about minutiae like this? This is what happens to a people with zero sense of community, spirituality and anything else bigger than the self and personal consumption.

>>211594586
Desperate for entertainment. Grasping at straws. Still holding on to the idea that these people are selling entertainment. They are desperate to return to the youthful mind state that didn't realize what this all really is.

>>211594378
>address the root cause instead
The root cause is lack of creativity. They don't want to risk trying something new, so they keep puppeting around old series pretending they're something new and constantly changing it with their fan fiction. Thing is: none of these were created with this stupid shit in mind. Terminator was not meant to go on for 100 sequels. Star Trek was not meant to have 40 different series. After a couple sequels, it gets absolutely ridiculous especially when it's all made by randoms with no coherent vision. If you're not going to hammer out one single fleshed out storyline for where it's going, then stop. Understand that this was exactly the message of Matrix 4. It was made stupid on purpose because studios kept demanding to make more even if it ruins the art. Audiences and creators used to be better than that. Let finished stories lie. They concluded. They're done. Make new stuff.

>>211593031
>if this is the end of Trek
Almost certainly not. Too recognizable of a franchise. And i think there is still an audience that is anxious to get some actual star trek.
They should probably take a break, get a show runner who wants to make more star trek, and then slowly roll out a reasonable budgeted, well written show.

>>211595379
TOS got cancelled three times.
Star Wars had a 16 year gap between 6 and 1.
Let's not act like 'the culture' *needs* this shit. There's always something else. Should you believe the AI proponents with services to sell, we can be having fully watchable, catered and manicured shows/movies before the end of the decade. We won't even need Hollywood at that point. You just tell your bot that you want a series where Batman is on Star Trek in the prompt and you get twenty-five episode seasons near instantaneously.

>>211595262
>The root cause is lack of creativity.
it's actually misplaced priorities and misguided assumptions about the audience

4chan had all these nu-Treks pegged as flops when they debuted.

Hopefully people forget and they can try to reboot the franchise with a new TNG or something tolerable.

>>211597047
I don't think the fan base (as a whole) will forgive CBS/Viacom/Paramount without there first being a wholesale firing of all the people responsible for the shit era between 2005-2025. Heads have to roll. Call it symbolic. Call it a gesture. Call it restructuring. Call it starting fresh. Whatever. No new new Trek will thrive if anyone with any creative control in the last twenty years gets to have a say in the next series/future IP.

>>211592869 (OP)
Who would’ve thought that making everyone a faggot would destroy the franchise.

Seemed like such a good idea.

>>211597748
It's literally dead like Star Wars. It can't come back. Sure they will reanimate the corpse from time to time but the idea with nu-Trek, nu-Wars, and nu-Who was to permanently alienate the core fanbase.

They said this out loud. Shouted it from rooftops. People heard, and we learned.

Much better to find something else to do these days, or watch old episodes on DVD. You can buy all of TNG or TOS on DVD for pennies now.

>>211595379
There needs to be a large gap between this garbage and any attempt to bring it back again. A decade or more.
>Too recognizable of a franchise
Star Trek hasn't meant anything to mainstream audiences in 30+ years, bar a brief spike of interest around the J.J. Abrams movies. A spike which lasted two whole movies before the film franchise died again. It's been 9 fucking years since Beyond and sci-fi movies have been box office gold during that period, yet nobody was rushing to make another one. Trek was always the franchise for nerds and none of the attempts to turn it into Star Wars have amounted to anything long-term.

>>211594378
How much more content do you need? Serious question. There is an immense amount of stories and lore, and entire universe for these franchises, and you need more?

>>211596057
yes saar i cant wait. very good

>>211596057
I just want more Section 31 movies. It was so lit frfr

>>211592869 (OP)
I'm just here to say I hate The Phantom Menace and everything that the prequels did to Star Wars.

>>211593031
I'm sad Trek was killed, but Roddenberry was a literal Satanist and in retrospect Trek has always been way too liberal.

>>211592869 (OP)
make shit, swirl down the turlet

social media is pure cancer and the downfall of the west. anyone who obsesses over it should kill themselves.

>>211597748
>I don't think the fan base (as a whole) will forgive CBS/Viacom/Paramount without there first being a wholesale firing of all the people responsible for the shit era between 2005-2025.

Most of the people are likely already gone. Like the guy who gave Kurtzman the exclusive deal for Star Trek I think got MeToo'd or something as an excuse to get him out of power.

I'd be surprised if JJ/Bad Robot continue Trek because there's been cost issues and those Trek productions under Bad Robot can be expensive

>>211598604
I don't want to put all these franchises and even more i forgot to rest knowing these woke nutjobs wrote the last chapter and are probably looking at all this with a smile on their face. Fuck that.

>>211597047
There was some hope for discovery back when fuller was going to be the showrunner.

>>211599669
People are naive, stupid. Too hopeful when it comes to these types of things.

You can't make a show without including the messaging that turns off all the classic fans. See you have them captive so you have to 'challenge expectations' because they're such feckless golems that they are magically compelled to watch the shit designed to humiliate them. Or that was the plan.

People are tuning out though. Turns out the hard core Trek or Wars fans don't actually NEED any new shit. With the shows, movies, games, novels, RPGs, etc. there is no need for new (((content))).

Jews lost their magic touch and are about as relatable as Hebrew street theater was in the 1890s again lol.

>>211595262
>Understand that this was exactly the message of Matrix 4. It was made stupid on purpose because studios kept demanding to make more even if it ruins the art.

Exactly. I don't know if it was really because of the studios or that was just the cover story in the movie. They may have made it anyway that way or it was even planned to be that way. In some ways Matrix 4 was genius even though it wasn't a good movie (but that was intentional). People didn't get it, that it was talking about what is going on now and how everything is devoid of creativity and how maybe there's some deeper reason for that.

>>211592869 (OP)
through any other Nutrek, not even 1 episode of SNW.

>>211592869 (OP)
Am I the only one that didn't hate Picard, and not just S3? I didn't hate s2 either. I actually found it watchable when I can't even sit

>>211595379
nope
we're going to suffer through 3+ seasons of star fleet muttcademy

Am I the only one that didn't hate Picard, and not just S3? I didn't hate s2 either. I actually found it watchable when I can't even sit through even 1 episode of SNW.

>>211597748
With the current head of FCC about to smack CBS|Paramount it's going to get way worse for them real quick

>>211600477
>>211600626
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>211599669
from the very beginning it was obviously going off jjtrek, thus, an abomination

>>211600561
I will never understand how many people over the years have wanted a starfleet academy show. Like what the fuck about star trek makes people think the thing it was missing was highschool drama.

>>211601105
I don't know. I like the borg and the idea for the story. The woke stuff kind of actually fit because it is an alternate bizarro world evil timeline. I found it watchable, whereas I can't even sit through episode 1 of SNW. I won't even try Discovery because I know the subversion and stupidity would trigger me.

>>211601191
Just listening to one episode|Rascals was enough for me to say No. Also all episodes of everything post Captain Archer

Consolidating and focusing their social media is a good thing. It means more people will see the cool shit they do like drop episodes on youtube for a weekend.

>>211601191
Agreed. Those are my least favorite episodes of tng too, where Wesley is at the academy.

>>211600626
If you like TNG I don't know how you could like ST Picard.
I have never been more offended more by a single show than with Picard.

>>211601191
>how many females
FTFY

>>211599219
>Trek productions under Bad Robot can be expensive
Because the idiots in charge kept pushing for cinematic experiences in the TV format which is antithetical to Star Trek

Trek has always had to contend with and work around small budgets, Kurtzman somehow got as much money as he wanted to shit his dreck out, that or he was paying costs out of his own pocket too

>>211601432
STD is way worse than PIC.

>>211601432
Well, it's just a mirror of the world today. Everything is like in the bizarro world. I just thought of it as bizarro world evil mirror universe tng.
>like
I wouldn't say I liked it. I just was able to watch a lot of it (still haven't seen all of season 1) I can't even watch any other nutrek, not even 1 episode.

Literally the only man who can save Star Trek at this point

>>211601191
I know its hard to believe but many of us grew up watching this shit as kids.

>>211595262
Even the "new stuff" is just adaptations at this point. Mostly books.

>>211601605
Naming themselves after a venereal disease lmao 10|10

>>211593982
Star wars, marvel, star trek, terminator, predator, alien, end it all already.

>>211595262
You're right, except about star trek.
People said what you're saying before TNG aired.
Nutrek isn't a genuine attempt at telling star trek stories, these people insert trannies and blacks and their own shitty stories and that's why no one gives a fuck anymore

>>211595379
If Ronald D Moore and Seth McFarlane were given absolute control over ST, they'd at least find people for who it was a labour of love to be a part of, if they didn't want to do it themselves.

It would be like giving Sam Witwer all of Star Wars. He loves that IP more than anyone that isn't maybe Ahsokafag Filoni.

>>211601432
I do get your point though, especially if you really liked Picard's character in TNG. They really did their best to ruin his character, especially when Riker told him he ruined everything and doomed them all and kicked him off the bridge. That was over the top and basically malicious on the part of the writers, and there are a lot of instances like that.

>>211601656
So?

>>211596452
Their propaganda doesn't work if there isn't a receptive audience to consume it. For all the money they launder to make it, if the core cast is hideous, if the formula isn't adhered to, if the spirit of the franchise isn't even attempted at, the audience won't show up for it.

ACKolyte learned that real fast.

>>211597047
Everybody did.

Yes.

>>211597840
They put a chick in it, made it lame, and made it gay.

Turns out: gay lame chicks don't show up for sci-fi.

>>211601827
>ACKolyte learned that real fast.
That they throw Dark Plagueis at the end, to make the NPC's clap, and then it gets cancelled, will never not be hilarious.

>>211597878
Farscape and SG-1, personally.

>>211601770
>would be like giving Sam Witwer all of Star Wars
I'd immediately be more invested in it, but he has to take KK's position and if the story group doesn't wanna play ball then fucking fire them

Fire Kevin Feige and replace him with Sam Raimi while at it.

>>211593031
ST is a product of the late 60s, when Aryan super-scientists were sending men into space. It was easy to believe that we'd all have a future in the offworld colonies. Something like ST seemed possible.
That dream died in 1986 when the space truck abortion blew up.
ST is dead, trekkies are old, and the dream that inspired it is dead. There are no new frontiers. We are stuck in this blighted hellscape. God help us all except indians, africans, and jews.

>>211598455
It didn't help that everything has been prequel oriented.

The next Trek after VOY should have been in the same timeline. I'd have preferred a Captain Kim or Captain 7 series over yet another Kirk crapfest.

>>211601941
Wonder what a Raimi trek would bee like.. Bountiful Busty women stories with great plots and choreography @_@

>>211598604
World of Darkness and EU SW, personally.

>>211602008
>Captain 7 series
They had it set up perfectly after Picard but dropped the ball.

>>211598670
>>211598910

You're a bad person.

>>211595262
>Understand that this was exactly the message of Matrix 4. It was made stupid on purpose because studios kept demanding to make more even if it ruins the art.

The fact that retards like you and Mike Stoklasa keep spewing this lie despite being debunked shows how Neanderthals like you should all be sterilized and lobotomized.

>>211602277
Not that poster, but how was it debunked? Did you not notice the "sabor de mierda" (which means taste of shit) signs in the Modal? Did you not notice the plot that literally spells out that the studio wanted them to make another movie? Did you not listen to the Merovingian's dialogue where he spells it out?
>Mike Stoklasa
Don't know who that is.

>>211598990
My favourite Jedi is Qui-Gon and my favourite Sith is Maul, so I can't hate it too hard.

>>211599004
Just as a broken clock can be right twice a day, a good idea can come from a bad place. Roddenberry could have been Satan incarnate, but Star Trek is far and beyond one guy's vision of it now.

>>211592869 (OP)
>The end of Kurtzman Trek is upon us

Reminder that SNW has three more seasons and that there are two more Trek shows in the pipeline for Paramount +. Starfleet Academy (another Discovery spinoff) and another Star Trek comedy series. The future is looking bright friends. Personally I hope they consider doing another cartoon this time action adventure maybe about Starfleet Special Forces.

>>211599219
Prime/Kelvin was a mistake. Throw out all Jar Jar Abrams touched material. Next Trek is Post-VOY.

>>211602044
>World of Darkness
Considering everything from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Supernatural, Grimm, First Kill, and I think even Lucifer stole from that its almost nearly impossible to adapt WOD for TV/Film without being compared to such.

>>211593031
>Surely they are not going to actually hand the franchise over to actual writers who are genuine fans of Trek and Futurism.
maybe they have learned from Andor

>>211599766
Whenever the words "in an effort to appeal to a wider audience..." come up you know it will be more woke, more inclusive, more diverse, more representative, more "safe space" and more terrible.

>>211599795
Matrix 4 *should have been* the 8th iteration of the base program with a new cast of red pills, or should have exclusively focused on the Resources War.

>>211600477
It was shit. Q was the only highlight. You could take all of JDL's scenes and made a brief movie. Probably would have been better off.

>>211602563
They're lying when they say they want these shows to appeal to a wider audience. They've said many times that they want to turn off the old fanbase so they stop watching, in other words just ruin their properties simply because people think they're fun.

Funny thing is watching them assume they are entitled to the same, or more, or ANY profit even after saying all this out loud.

USAID getting cut off so suddenly has them scrambling.

>>211600561
No, we won't. It will get ACKolyte'd.

>>211602640
the old fanbase is old and they need to get young people into it... problem is they fucked it all up

>>211601088
Gib sauce pl0x

>>211602637
Well having Q plus Borg instantly makes it watchable imo. I'm not saying it was good but it was watchable and had a kind of interesting plot

>>211602691
Nah they didn't care about developing a new fan base, they just said that as a trick. It was all about ruining and spoiling something people enjoyed. We learned the counter-trick though - just ignore it, shit on it, and stick to the old good stuff.

TNG reruns on streaming are more popular than ANY NEW TREK.

>>211601649
I'd rather watch Orville.

>>211602691
Well you don't do that by alienating the old fanbase. What they are doing is intentional malicious destruction, which is more like ideological revolution than a serious attempt to court a new audience.

>>211602499
the only lessons of andor is once you've poisoned a brand, literally nothing will bring people back to it, and/or once you've poisoned a brand and have no actual viewers, your shills can shill unopposed, even if no one but your shareholders believes what they're shilling.

>>211602491
I've only watched two of those shows so I have to ask just what did they steal from World of Darkness?
BTVS literally just based their vampires off everything you saw in horror films of the 60s, 70s, and 80s

>>211602816
>What they are doing is intentional malicious destruction
never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity. someone was just stupid enough to think the way to attract new fans is to have it made by people who don't like it.

>>211601909
It has to really chap their ass that the people who would watch Ahsoka would do so for Thrawn and not Ahsoka.

Like Urkel taking over Family Matters from Harriet and the Winslow family.

>>211602895
No, it's intentional. It's why they did it to Ghostbusters, Star Trek, Star Wars, Alien, etc. Destroy to make way for the new.

>>211602499
The goal here for Trek & beyond is to get the actual fanbase and normie dudes watching and excited again. Not to get critics and libs cooming over political allegories. We have to move away from that.

>>211601941
I like you. You're not a cunt.

>>211602362
He's incapable of independent thought and can only parse things into a spectrum of what some literal who youtuber thinks.

>>211602831
My lesson from Andor is that online turboleftists are incredibly self centered and assume if something is good that it must be about their horrible plight against fascism. Andor isn't about the real world. It's just good Star Wars. Honestly seeing leftists coom to Andor made me hate it a little bit. Which is crazy because I really enjoyed it it was really good. How it relates to Trek? Good lawd imagine if someone with that attention to detail made a Trek series? It would be hailed as a masterpiece for decades.

>>211601999
If some studio wants to put billions into an expanded Stargate or Expanse or Altered Carbon universe, and they hire dedicated autists to not fuck it up, I'd be OK with that.

>>211603001
I still dont know how its possible for chuds to like Star Trek

>>211603036
>that online turboleftists are incredibly self centered
You're just learning that now?

>>211602491
I'd be all for a Kindred: The Embraced reboot/sequel. Make it in the same vein as Xena/Hercules, with Spartacus/Game of Thrones level production and don't let faggots fuck it up and you can print money.

>>211603036
How dumb do you have to be to think Andor isn't about fascism?

>>211603036
shut up chud go eat orange poop some more

>>211602723
I'd rather watch a post Hub destruction, post Dominion war series. See Cardassia rebuild and join the federation. Watch the Breen get their shit kicked in properly. See 8472 come back, either the Boothby sect, or the fluidic space sect, maybe a civil war with that. I also want the Hirq back.

>>211603178
>don't let faggots fuck it up
That's easier said than done, gays see themselves in literally everything, especially vampires

>>211603165
I'll be honest I spent a hell of a lot of time away from the Internet over the past 15 years or so. Things changed a lot more than I expected they would so I'm still catching up. I just remember leftists were better at hiding their selfishness before.

>>211603092
You identify with the more professional, militarized aspects of Starfleet. Or in my case the Klingons and Romulans. They used to have a heavy focus on those in the old shows.

>>211602683
one can only hope

>>211602850
Nothing besides the whole supernatural monsters living in the shadows.

>>211603001
It doesn't matter even if they try to do that, the process by which legitimately talented screenwriters are identified and cultivated has broken down entirely. Literally no one can write, Millenials have no talent.

>>211601649
based

>>211603274
I'm OG right wing my only thoughts about orange man are that he causes the people I hate to sperg out so it's funny to me. He's not a "fascist" he's just trying to enforce laws that communists ignored because they figured it would increase their voter base.

>>211601605
In a vacuum that may be true, but STD doesn't personally piss on TNG directly.
STD is just kinda spraying piss all over itself in a corner alone, STP is pissing directly in TNGs mouth, and calling you a bigot for not liking it.

>>211602984
You mean trying to attract new audiences by having it made by people from said audiences?

>>211592869 (OP)
>mfw they've ruined my childhood show

>>211603558
>he's just trying to enforce laws
lol ok bro

>>211603693
>STD is just kinda spraying piss all over itself in a corner alone
It's pissing on TOS.

>>211603715
I'm not going to argue with you. You have your mind made up and I thin you are afraid to even consider that it is intentional and a larger pattern because of the ramifications that such a notion would have to your worldview.

>>211604010
You can’t argue with me because my reasoning is without flaw and you’re autistic. You need everything to be good vs evil because that’s all your broken mind can comprehend. Mistakes and faulty reasoning don’t exist.

>>211603839
Yeah thats fair probably, but i stopped watching that shit in early season 2. I forgot about the whole Spok's retarded sister thing.
I still hate STP more because it brought TNG characters back just to ruin them as hard as possible. Even 7of9 from fucking Voyager.

>>211604183
No, because you have a different worldview and likely don't believe in supernatural evil at all. Everything to you is materialism and explainable with human agency and reason. It's futile to argue.

>>211604185
Icheb got done dirty.

>>211604185
>just to ruin them
Here's the critical thing - if you don't watch this new garbage, they can't ruin ANYTHING for you.

You knew it was garbage. Showrunners said they made it to chase away all the old fans. So why bother watching?

>>211604530
I stopped watching both in season 2.

>>211601826
So we have a greater affinity for younger characters in the setting. Is this really flying over your head? It's not complicated.

>>211604498
The actor is a chud, so it's perfectly normal behaviour to take revenge on a character he played on a TV show 30 years ago.

>>211604358
I have a factual worldview. The reality is the entertainment industry was rendered obsolete in 2007 when social media became the primary media consumed by youth demographics and ever held since then, “we want the female audience,” “metoo,” “woke,” etc, has been proactive performances to manufacture reasons, other than total obsolescence, for an unstoppable downward trend so a few executives of publicly traded companies could keep their jobs longer.

>>211592869 (OP)
So they’re firing more people. Good. Might just be me but it has seemed lately the irritating shilling of the new shit has died down. What a shit job, honestly.

>>211604358 #
I have a fact based worldview. The reality is the entertainment industry was rendered obsolete in 2007 when social media became the primary media consumed by youth demographics and everything since then, “we want the female audience,” “metoo,” “woke,” etc, has been proactive performances to manufacture reasons, other than total obsolescence, for an unstoppable downward trend so a few executives of publicly traded companies could keep their jobs longer.

I don’t need reality to be a children’s fairy tale to comprehend it.

>>211605463
>I have a fact based
Ok, and facts to you are just what you are repeating as true, your rationalizations based on your preconceived notions on why people do things and the way the world works. In the end it has to be all about money or market share or self-interest, etc, because that's all that makes sense in your mind as motivations. You've excluded the possibility of intentional destruction that is not economically motivated because it doesn't fit your worldview. And what's interesting is your rational explanations aren't really even that rational. How does it make sense to alienate a large portion of the original audience if you are just looking for an expanded market share? It doesn't but of course you can "explain" it away, which is really just rationalization.

>>211597748
Probably doesn't have to be scorched Earth, but essentially, yes. Just fire everyone with pronouns in their company bio.

>>211601761
Correct

>>211595060
Is that Star Trek? Looks like Fallout

>>211601816
It was pure fucking hubris on their part (sorry for the language)

>>211601897
Especially the lame part. You can use any characters; it's the genuine interest in telling stories that is missing. It's just propaganda and revenge against imagined slights. It's pathetic, as we never stop saying.

>>211603092
NTA, but you don't even have to be a teeny-weeny tiny-winy bit of a chud to think that modern idpol-based "social justice" is both mad and, because it's mad, also inept in achieving its stated goals.

Star Trek puts forward broadly left-liberal talking points in a mostly thoughtful, introspective way and encourages meeting people where they are, open communication, and compassion. It has fuck all to do with how idpollers conduct themselves these days with their with-us-or-against-us mentality, desperate need to beat you over the head with their opinions, total lack of self-reflection that repeatedly leads them into rampant hypocrisy and when confronted by that they resort to name-calling like fucking toddlers. Not to mention Starfleet is professional and very together in general - occasional space virus, mind-controlling pseudogod, or random brain-warping anomoly notwithstanding - none of the weeping, bawling, trantrum-throwing, simpering, pronoun-announcing faggots who call themselves (nu)Trek fans would last ten seconds on a starship.

>>211604871
ill never forgive chuds, for the death of my favorite show the acolyte

We have 3 hood Star Trek series and two great ones. Probably over 500 episodes plus like 10 films of content. Do you fags really need more Star Trek? Even if the writers are better it will never reach the peaks of the show. Just move on.

>>211605974
And what's crazy is that scene is in s3, the one where people claim to like the most. Everyone craps on s2 but it wasn't nearly as subversive as that one scene. They were doing their best to discredit his character. Then later in s3 it's like "oh no, we went to far. Member Enterprise D. Member the original crew? Member? We're not hostile to the fans guys serious... look a Borg cube Enterprise D and more memberberries"

>>211606074
post scarcity (central idea to ST) is commie jibber jabber thoughbeit

>>211602478
Good, let them maximize their losses. Yeah, do another show, and another. Paramount killed the movie star. Lets see what else they have up their sleeves.

>>211604498
>>211604871
Remember when they made Sulu the character gay because George Takei is gay even though Sulu was never gay and Takei himself came out and said it was retarded?

i member

Genuinely curious, you have thirty seconds to give 3 reasons why you even gave Nu-Treks a shot. Try not to sound too mad when you reply.

>>211606359
1. Allison Pill makes my dick hard
2. I heard SNW was going to be more episodic
3. I really like Tim Russ/Tuvok

>>211605700
>what's interesting is your rational explanations aren't really even that rational. How does it make sense to alienate a large portion of the original audience if you are just looking for an expanded market share?
Let’s look at a portion of >>211605463
>everything since then […] has been proactive performances to manufacture reasons, other than total obsolescence, for an unstoppable downward trend so a few executives of publicly traded companies could keep their jobs longer.

They knew they couldn’t expand the audience, but knew if they didn’t look like they were trying, instead of dying in a few years or even decades, they’d die that day.

And it’s also funny for you claim this is just rationalizing, and that facts are just things I repeat, when your worldview is “demons are real because they just are.”

>>211606353
Any sideways excuse now. Every vampire is a fag in that horrid fag show they slapped Anne Rice's name on. Many other examples.

>>211607813
My god, who is that?

>>211608111
https://cdn32.xpics.me/photo/2022/05/311654006033_986982.jpg

>>211592869 (OP)
You're thinking about it wrong. They're not getting rid of the nutrek shit, they're forcing it into traditional channels not infected fully by it.

the one thing they didnt do was continue the saga. its not that hard. tng did it without overreliance on the past. i dont count picard, because obviously they did it wrong. they wanted to do something new and old at the same time while having the worst writers, actors and ideas combined.

theyre simply, stupid. incompetent. they are not giving it to geeks, they give it to whoever. they also dont target geeks anymore, dont even try to, because, theyre stupid, as stated before. kurtzmans a retard. goldmans a retard. patrick stewarts a giant retard. dont give retatrds the reigns. ever. this isnt transformers nor marvel, you arent writing for thirdies and kids. knwo your fucking audience

>>211609392
>knwo your fucking audience
They do know the audience. They know exactly how to alienate them and that's what they did.

>>211601770
>Seth McFarlane
You mean the guy who made a Star Trek show where half the episodes are about gay Klingons and their trans daughter? That Seth McFarlane?

>>211609512
you give them too much credit into thinking theyre retarded on purpose. they just are.

>>211609636
and it was still more watchable than nutrek

>>211595262
>Let finished stories lie. They concluded. They're done. Make new stuff.
While I agree that we need more new material, Star Trek can absolutely tell new original stories. TNG came along and succeeded at that because it specifically refused to indulge in any references to TOS until several years in and it had made itself a distinct things. Even after that, it was sparing with nostalgia bait.

This is simple. New crew, crew ship, new era in the future. Just crank out good episodic stories from science fiction writers. Refuse to even acknowledge any other trek until at least a few years in.

>>211609829
Any good stand alone episodes? I tried watching it once from ep1 and couldn't make it through the first episode.

>>211609881
>new era in the future
Maybe you didn't mean further in the future than the other series, but you can only go so far in the future before it becomes too ridiculous. TNG was already pushing it. If they had a show on the Enterprise J or something it would just be absurd and really just fantasy at that point.

>>211609965
just watch season 3 then

>>211609392
>the white trash kid with an obvious learning disability is calling people who left their basement "retards" again
Your post holds as much weight as it would if it were written by a 12 year old black kid.

>>211609881
>it specifically refused to indulge in any references to TOS until several years in
The first episode had Bones in it but yes generally speaking it didn't rely on TOS except for also the Khitomer Accords being a central part of it.

>>211610071
thats simple. something something the temporal cold war was lost. most societies eradicated and only a handful survived, being forced to rebuild from almost scratch.

>>211610333
who are you quoting, retard?

>>211610477
A newfag who argues with trips and has the brain of a black kid. Go back.

>>211610522
take your meds, shlomo

...i liked Prodigy.

>>211593031
Voyager was enjoyable (or maybe I'm just nostalgic) but in the last 25 years Star Trek has been shit.

>>211610707
Enterprise was OK at times, it dragged when they tried to have multi-episodic arcs and they developed the characters a bit too much sometimes. I felt that half the series was boner episodes.

>>211610839
Enterprise had some of the best single episodes of any series imo, especially the mirror universe ones. But overall it wasn't that great.

>>211609392
The state the franchise was left in after ds9 and voyager is the federation rapidly accelerating towards being a type 3 civilization. Which can’t really be put into any sort of series, episodic or not.

>>211611204
>after ds9
I kinda wanna see a Star Trek show that does explicitly deal with the fallout from the Dominion War since, if I recall DS9 correctly, the Federation got its shit positively rocked

Reminder that Paramount/CBS shutdown their film scanning and remastering department, even going so far as to sell off the film scanners. So DS9 and VOY will never-ever be properly remastered.

Who knows how much longer they'll even keep the film reels at this rate.

>>211611523
They'll never be remastered as long as Paramount owns the Trek IP but that might not be forever anymore, lol

>>211611523
criminal

>>211592869 (OP)
I'm not a Star Trek watcher. What was it about the new star trek that sucked so much? Is it the start trek with crying black woman and that fat red head?

And, what would your dream new star trek series?

>>211611204
>rapidly accelerating towards being a type 3 civilization
they were barely type 2. >>211611761 it was simply bad and stupid trying to appeal to the marvel audience

>>211611645
It's also why the Voyager Documentary, despite raising so much money, had zero remastered video.

>>211603092
all that plus the fanservice

>>211612050
there's a voyager documentary?
wtf

I just looked it up and you can't even watch it anywhere, what the hell

>>211611926
>trying to appeal to the marvel audience
Got it. Say no more.

>>211612417
>I just looked it up and you can't even watch it anywhere, what the hell
It was only just released to backers digitally about a month ago. It'll have a wider release sooner or later. They're still working out the Blu-rays for the backers.

>>211592869 (OP)
Since this is a Trek thread I wanna ask
How in the hell were the Klingons allowed to keep all the Cardassian territory they basically stole during the Dominion War?

>>211612731
Who was going to make them give it back?

>>211610940
The actors were a good fit for the series. It was bland but enjoyable. We'd be praising it today if it was currently on the air at least compared to the slop that's out there right now.

>>211592869 (OP)
>The end of Kurtzman Trek is upon us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II04E2GEJG8

>>211608111
https://www.google.com/search?q=twitter+lacypet&tbm=isch

>>211612867
To boot, Cardassia's military forces were fucking crippled to hell and back so the odds of them enacting another fight with the Klingons would be suicide

DUMB MOTHERFUCKER MAGAPEDES ITT. You dipshit Star Wars maggoteers. Star Trek is and has always been "woke" you fucking zoomzooms. And we like it because WE DON'T CARE as long as the core Roddenberry commandments are adhered to:
1. The future is OPTIMISTIC
2. EVERYONE wear short skirts.

The problem with nutrek is the GRIM DARKNESS and CYNICISM that crept into Trek and violated Gene's numero uno rule. I blame DS9, which went grimderp AND brought in Magatard Star Wars fans. Now GET OUT and go back to your Christian Rock radio shows or whatever.

baiting faggot above me, beware

>>211612588
I can't believe nobody has uploaded it anywhere.

>>211613201
>The future is OPTIMISTIC
logically, any future is optimistic, even shitty dystopian ones because it implies there is a future for us.

>>211613438
>I can't believe nobody has uploaded it anywhere.
Probably waiting for the more finalized Blu-ray I assume.

>>211612731
Literally because fuck the Cardassians for all the bullshit they pulled before allying with the Dominion but fuck them especially for all the shit after they became part of the Dominion

>>211600626
You are the only one, I'm sorry. And s2 was the worst season of Picard.

>>211606359
I wanted to see a thoughtful non-action series about the final years of Jean-Luc Picard's life. I was in for a surprise.

>>211614642
>teaching at the academy
>diplomatic missions and intrigue
>the odd 'top secret mission from long ago' plots
It could have been maxiumum comfy.

>>211614321
Picard S3 isn't just the worst series of Picard, it's the worst series of Trek full stop.

>>211614642
you didn't like the "let's be friends" nuBorg collective? Or the fleet of copy-paste starfleet ships facing down a fleet of copy-paste tal shiar ships with fat old Riker dressed up like a captain saying "kick your ass" on the viewscreen?

>>211614917
the first half of season 3 was all right, when they were in the nebula, but I couldn't take it seriously anymore after they open the viewscreen of the Titan and depressurize the bridge, because for some reason, the main viewscreen on the bridge must open out to space, and the main bridge of the ship is also a secret airlock. Why? Just why?

>>211614755
If they had done this in an episodic format, with a background arc of his coming to terms with his legacy, that could have been amazing. Just fun low stakes adventures as we see him peek in on the lives of the rest of the crew. That's what I had really hoped for.

>>211611761
>dream new star trek series?
basically this dynamic turned into a show

I want to see what happens during the night crew's shift. You know, the one where Data is the captain. Something that explains why Data never got promoted all those years. What was he up to? Just how many rules did he, and the night crew ruffians, break?
Suggested title... "Night Trek"!

>>211611926
They had self-replicating replicators and all the shit in the voyager finale. There’s nothing left except type3 or evolving into pure energy

>>211614642
>>211614755
>>211614959
I have a plan in mind for Jean-Luc and how to neatly wrap his character arc up. I even had an email exchange with Morgan Gendel about it. If they ever let me write anything Star Trek, even a shitty novel, I'm retconning the shit out of their shitty show.

>>211603558
>he's just trying to enforce laws
>the same blowhard who rose to prominence by subverting the laws
kek... imagine thinking le orange man cares about laws

>>211592869 (OP)
They quietly made Kurtzman Trek non-canon with the final arc of Lower Decks, and for that reason alone I can't find it in my heart to hate that show.

>>211616435
I would like to know more.

>>211616619
>They quietly made Kurtzman Trek non-canon with the final arc of Kurtzman Trek
I mean, even if you disregard that Lezzie Dykes had a full-blown crossover with the STD spin-off, that's still ridiculous. The show exists in the same shitty Kurtzmanverse and references it all the time.

>>211611427
The federation didn’t get “rocked.” Everything that happened at ds9 mostly irrelevant and they brought to bear an ancient advanced civilization.

>>211616694
Man, you know I can't do that. But let's just say that Morgan Gendel always intended The Inner Light to be a two-parter. Look it up.

>>211600626
I loved it and can't even be bothered DL any of the other NU trek. Making shit up on the fly looses my enthusiasm.

>>211615143
>that one where he gets together with worf and data and saves the Klingon Empire again somehow
See? We'll never see that.

>>211616730
>The show exists in the same shitty Kurtzmanverse and references it all the time.
Yeah, but now everything you like is indisputably in the main timeline, and everything kurtzman is sequestered in a dimension with a divergent timeline Pretty good compromise while Paramount waits out his contract.

>>211616884
>>211600626
>>211601302
Picard from the Picard show has nothing in common with the TNG character, or even the TNG movie character. He’s just Patrick Stewart being all wistful and faux-philosophical.

>>211617036
He came to me yesterday. Cause we are entangled in a small way spiritually and said he's on his way out. Dying soon, he felt the changes in himself.

>>211616293
I would watch this
>former night shifting heavy industry lad

>>211616789
So it was just "Masks: The Series Finale"?

>>211617036
In multiple scenes where he's sitting in a chair talking life, death, love, friendship, and other concepts to another person in a chair, using emotional dialogue that's very poetic and flowery but which has no meaning or value to anybody watching.

>>211617540
I would have appearances by the original day crew, but with body doubles, and only shot from behind, and voice actors that sound like them.
The night crew would act like louts, e.g. upon watching Troi sashay away, they'd quietly make a rude comment, e.g. "I'd like to load her torpedo bay!", whereupon she'd say something like "I felt that!" and they would run off, embarrassed.

>>211592869 (OP)
>>211593031
You can call it a disaster but these shows have a retarded amount of seasons. 5 STDs. 5 New Worlds. Star Trek and Morty 5 seasons. Picard 3 seasons. And a Section 31 movie.
It wasn’t just a mistake or a blip on the radar. This bullshit defines Trek and will influence whatever the next reboot attempt is, 5,10 or 20 years ahead.

>>211593031
>actual writers
long retired

>>211617983
How is there a night crew in space? Wouldn't they have a rotating sleep schedule or something so that it's always the main crew? If not why wouldn't the Romulans just wait to attack at "night" when it's the B team.

>>211618032
more like forced to retire as in they weren't hired and stopped getting hired and the

>>211618075
This. The Enterprise has a 3 shift rotation. There is no day/night cycle on a spaceship, so they're all "day" shifts.

>>211618075
You realize real ships exist and that’s what’s inspired the Federation fleet routines? Why doesn’t the enemy just attack the fleet at night?
The reality is they’re not in war most of the time. That’s a repeated point made during multiple shows. They have families on board. Science missions. The night crews gain experience during slow moments on the ship.

Why have a day/night cycle? For the same reason they keep one on submarines and arctic bases.

>>211617983
Or the night shift lads just watching sports on the main screen

>>211618129
> There is no day/night cycle on a spaceship, so they're all "day" shifts.
Fake fan.

>>211618030
>have a retarded amount of seasons
Does it matter when the seasons are six episodes each?

>>211618262
there are 3 shifts. 1/3 of the crew is on duty, 1/3 is off, and 1/3 is asleep. That way the most efficient usage of a starship's research facilities is realized. Suck my dick.

>>211600626
1 and 2 were painfully bad and a complete character assassination. 3 felt like Trek but I might have overestimated it just because it’s like being a battered housewife after the movies and all the nuTrek. At least season 3 didn’t punch me and try to rape me.

of all the dead franchises star trek might be the most dead
significantly more dead than even star wars
I don't even think about it at all
Who the fuck are the people watching these shows? I can't believe star trek content is still being made
It will never come back

>>211618350
Season 3 is absolutely terrible but it's at least not unbearably boring which the previous seasons are

>>211618348
Fake fan. Picard ruined her stellar cartography experiment by being up late at night. She didn’t lock the door because the ship was on night time. Fuck your headcanon.

>>211618421
>not unbearably boring
I turned it off 5 minutes into the first episode. Streaming shows love wasting your time.

>>211618467
Sorry. I'm right and you're wrong. I determine what's canon and what's not. The three shifts are identical. Deal with it.

>>211618489
Well I'm certainly not going to argue in favour of watching Picard

>>211618030
episode/season length doesn't mean shit in the age of streaming, it costs them nothing to produce an extra few episodes. it's not like all this garbage is going to be syndicated for the next twenty years.

>IQs are dropping and it will only ever get worse, never better
grim

>>211601191
nigger its harry potter except humanity going to space not because people are randomly born special but because humanity is special... because we got rid of all the jews and niggers holding us back

>>211601999
Underrated post.

>>211618467
Why didn't Picard bust out some Jethro Tull?

>>211619749
He doesn't have the talent to play like Ian Anderson. Picard's playing barely rises to the level of noodling.

NuTrek might be going down, but we'll always have Tendi.

>>211602795
Orville is more half-assed, tragically derivative Seth slop, with manlet Seth as the hero again. Seth M is perhaps the worst plagiarist in Hollywood history. Slimy, ugly, asshat.

>>211603001
F them, they don't even deserve to learn their lesson.

>>211621119
have you ever taken even a second to reflect on the fact you don't have a single idea of your own? you exclusively draft off whatever new maymay term is forced on you and act like that your own cognition at play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdLHKdn0JTY

>>211602044
>EU SW
It's dead, Jim

>>211619749
>>211619964
They did show him getting slightly better. He started because of the mind palace probe where he lived a different life, where he could play. It recurs like 4-5 times after that I think, with the most prominent one being his music lessons in that screenshotted episode.

>>211622419
It’s funny that she saw through the pandering since she’s exactly the hyperleftist literal dyke lgbt+ person they wrote this show for.

>>211617036
Patrick Stewart has simply never liked Jean-Luc Picard as a character, and when given creative control has always sought to subvert that character. Even back during TNG's original run he complained that Picard was boring and didn't do enough "fucking and fighting" ala Kirk. Episodes like Captain's Holiday were created specifically to appease him, before he completely ruined the movies with his desire to be an action hero (and the clout to make it so).

When Stargate coming back

>>211610940
Bakula is a dork and not a leader, but also a Primadonna. I gathered that obvious insight from some semi-recent get together the cast all did. I don't think any of them like each other, haha.

>>211623521
Who knows at this point, go ask Jeff Bezos

>>211618601
Plus people don’t realize that corporations keep giving seasons to shows in order to keep up appearances and make everything look like it is alright. Unless a show is super expensive, they won’t cancel a show in one season usually.

>>211623875
People like him though, that's what counts. He has star power.

>>211601999
>ST is a product of the late 60s, when Aryan super-scientists were sending men into space
No. Space is pure occult fiction, which Nazi scientists were documented practitioners of.

>>211595262
This. Let it end. Make something new.

>>211606074
Agree with every word.

>>211623875
>I gathered that obvious insight from some semi-recent get together the cast all did.
Post it.

>>211592869 (OP)
desu Trek killing itself was always gonna happen. It was a commie shitlib show first and foremost, and attracted that crowd. All of the people who worked on Trek after TOS were a relatively deranged breed of shitlib for their time.

>>211592869 (OP)
Finally it's ending.

good riddance!

>>211623500
This is why actors, no matter how charismatic or well liked they are, should still always be treated like trained monkeys: give them the spotlight, but never give them any control or else they'll just start flinging poo. They make a living out of speaking other people's thoughts. Think about that for a moment. They're just living puppets.

>>211592869 (OP)
Well this is cause for a celebration crewmen!
Lucky for you I've whipped up a batch of my delicious Leola Root stew, famous throughout the delta quadrant..
Care for a bowl?

if there is any benefit to AI it's making Kurtzmann and his whole production company obsolete.

>>211612731
The Federation wasn't going to right back into a war, especially with the Klingons after being so thoroughly at the cusp of defeat in the fight with Dominion forces they weren't in shape to do so.

The Cardassians themselves were utterly BTFO by the Klingons and the Romulans strike attack so their resources were at best stretched thin at worst entirely depleted

I still find it hard to believe Garak's plan to manipulate the Romulans into the war worked

>>211632822
love you Uncy Neel

>>211632822
neex lookin happi

>>211592869 (OP)
It as never Star Trek therefore there is no difference between "it doen's exist" and "it doesn't actually exist anymore"

>>211633834
He said it perfectly that any imperfections in the forgery would be chalked up to the shuttle explosion, the Tal Shiar are also well known for being sloppy fuckers when it comes to investigating shit

Also don't forget there was a Federation collaborator within their ranks during that time, he could've easily planted seeds of doubt in trusting the Dominion within the Romulan senate

Why Vreenak waited to get back to Romulus to expose Sisko's deception is my question

>>211602362
>>211603023
I haven't seen the movie but I agree with you guys

>>211603036
Failed leftists will tie themselves into knots trying to pretend trandor was good.

>>211592869 (OP)
The first movie was alright.

>>211603036
Andor is shit and a meme tho

>>211603036
>Andor isn't about the real world
LOL. yeah buz how aout those space mexicans in the first ten minutes or so fearing deportation from the white stormtrooper ICE agents? fucking dumb cunt

>>211603092
>I still dont know how its possible for chuds to like Star Trek
The square-jawed white male captain goes on pulpy adventures with his crew and sleeps with hot alien babes in every episode. The ship's crew acts like highly trained professionals and NOT like millennial clowns.

I think it's a no-brainer, but Paramount won't do it.

no

>>211635874
Square-jawed heroes are boring, people like dark, conflicted, and damaged antiheroes more

>>211635874
>The square-jawed white male captain goes on pulpy adventures with his crew
ahem

and yet chuds still didn't like it

>>211635874
>sleeps with hot alien babes in every episode
Don't make me tap the "Kirk Drift" sign again.
>>211637461
NuPike is Reddit incarnate. Least threatening male ever. SNW feels like Star Trek if HR were in the room all the time.

>>211637461
>Anson Faggot Mount is the same as the Motherfucking Shat
Holy false equivalence, Batman!

>>211637461
I'm not seeing any pulpy adventures.

>>211637286
All people care about is if the character is written well and portrayed well.

>>211603092
It's good and not woke. It caters to normal people.
Nobody cares about libtards imagined about it
>>211637461
becaue it's a woke parody of star trek, not star trek, libtard

>>211637461
What little I've seen of it, I assumed that Captain was a less than flamboyant homosexual. Was he not??

>>211637286
>muh dark shit
no those are just contrarian teenagers

Reminder that Miramanee was the only woman Kirk slept with in all of TOS.

>>211637569
>Don't make me tap the "Kirk Drift" sign again.
Sure, Kirk isn't a horndog, but it is still worth admitting that among the captains, he has the most body count.

>>211637988
>he has the most body count
See >>211637768

>>211637988
Does Lorca count?

>>211606074
This

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>>211603092
are you stupid? its a navy show about military and diplomatic adventures in space with monster of the week every now and then?

>>211640932
I physically hate that kind of "man"

>>211640932
Why does he give off the vibe of someone really smug?

>>211641411
Your personality matches your face. It's an uncomfortable truth most people won't accept.

>Your personality matches your face

>>211641411
Listen to an interview with him and you can kinda tell he's a male version of Anisa Jomha minus all her dogshit tattoos

>>211641936
>male version of Anisa Jomha
Isn't that just idubbbz

>>211640932
It's weird because i actually quite liked The Mummy and some of his other earlier stuff. The fuck happened to this guy post-2017?

>>211643039
Yes but Kekzma'am is him but not a total public laughingstock

>>211643283
Trump
Derangement
Syndrome
People really forget how badly liberals wanted Hillary to win Presidency but when she didn't it utterly broke them emotionally

>>211643369

NuTrek is gay, lame, and antithetical to actual Star Trek

>>211623424
Wait, did you not know that most of us never liked that shit either? At least 50% of the runtime of all the Secret Gay Agenda Cabal meetings in the last decade have been spent dunking on lame-ass corporate "activism" and the dumb white liberal bitches who've been forcing it.

>>211633834
His plan correctly depended on the Dominion denying it was them, and the paranoid Romulans not believing them.

>>211603092
OG Star Trek is just the embodiment of Truman-JFK era liberalism. And the left regards that as basically Hitlerite now.

>>211594378
These series can't unruined. STD and Picard destroyed Star Trek forever.

STD in particular wanted to have all sorts of Star Trek "firsts".

First cuss word.
First gay kiss.
First interracial gay kiss.
First trans.
First non-binary.
First trans/cis kiss.
First binary/non-binary kiss.

Thats just off the top of my head, but I'm sure there was plenty of YASS QUEEN SLAYYY over Michael.

>>211650657
they were more concerned with perceived shock value over making quality programming

>>211651803
So did Roddenberry but he had talented writers
Millennial writers have 0 talent and only ape the postmodern "irony" they saw Joss Whedon do while also hamfisting their political screeds into it with no nuance

>>211600626
I struggled through to s1ep6 and I just couldn't take any more. I have been temped to try s3 though.

I would love to know the viewing figures of 90s trek on Netflix compared to the new trash.

>>211653894
>>211650657
Well it always fucking stupid to have transtrender struggle in any fiction where science or magic is as advanced as Star Trek. It literally DOES trivialize the entire thing. A fucking day surgery at best.

>>211653894
You also need to understand that being a writer in hollywood is a pretty shitty gig, and they're always last in line for consideration when it comes to the money.
Way back in the day with old hollywood and the studio system then they had stables of writers that they just kept on contract for years and years at a time, and so they had a chance to develop and grow their craft. When the studio's got busted up in their monopolies with the theaters they couldn't afford to keep those stables of actors, directors, and writers on staff constantly, and it became more of a gig. You still had plenty of momentum, and it engendered some creativity because people weren't constrained by as many studio mandates (even if they still did for all practical concerns).
You also get lucky once in a blue moon and hollywood goes into a bidding war over the script (even if they never intent to make it, they want to make sure no one else can make it either). But otherwise writers get more and more marginalized, which means you've got less people who are really interested in doing it because you'd be better off working minimum wage.
And just to prove my point, name five screenwriters who aren't writer-directors, without looking it up.
It really is a pretty crummy thankless job for the most part. And even if you wrote the world's greatest scripts it won't matter if everyone else fucks it up along the way.

>>211601827
And the most compelling thing about trek was that they always presented morally gray ethical quandaries and presented both sides. You can't present both sides any more intellectually when ur juvenile emotional illogical political beliefs lose almost every time. It's not compelling for an audience to get bludgeoned on the head with a hammer with ham fisted one-sided political messages. Take "Measure of a Man" I'm still not even quite 100% sure the outcome was the correct one and I still think about it. And it is more compelling than any NuTrek and there are 0 action scenes. Most of the best episodes are like this. They don't even know what Star Trek is.

>>211654404
>profit and lace
Quark gets turned into a lady for a long weekend, and then gets turned back.
Personally I always wondered if Bashir just had to keep his cock in stasis the whole time.