Thread 211634333

I'm a bit late of the game and I'm not the biggest Star Trek fan, but I have to wonder why Paramount wasted about a decade making these shows?

I never hear anyone talk about them, basically no one is watching them, they don't win any awards, and the fans hate them.
It's pretty obvious that Paramount is winding down their Star Trek stuff because all of these shows except Strange New Worlds have been cancelled and that show is probably ending after the upcoming season.

The only reason people use Paramount Plus is for Tyler Sheridan shows, yet Paramount kept making bad Star Trek shows no one watched, why?

>>211634333 (OP)
They also made a terrible movie that no one watched.

Trek died with the JJ Abrams reboot. That shit was NOT star Trek but they shilled it hard enough that people kind of accepted it, until the next two movies came out where even the retards went "ok this sucks". After that they started to pander to the woke crowd as was the norm since 2016 and the 'girlbusters' movie, which flopped, just like all of these shows you mention. It's been a decade and a half of bullshit, propaganda, gaslighting and now, indifference. They get what they fucking deserve.

>>211634421
But the reboot at least made money.
These shows didn't

>>211634333 (OP)
lefties

>>211634333 (OP)
>Who the fuck was NuTrek for
non-geezers that don't have canon hard inside their rectums

>>211634538
The average age of a Star Trek fan is like 55

>>211634586
both are sides are geezers
one is queer, the other is jesus freaks

>>211634333 (OP)
mentally ill leftards who hate star trek
just another proof that le modern audience doesnt't exist

Either way it's not star trek and never will be, therefore you can ignore it, like any normal person does

>>211634487
All of the major companies switched to woke, girlboss, trans-fem bullshit at around the same time, and kept/keep producing it. It's not 'for' anyone, other than propaganda to make it look like "everyone's doing it, so it must be ok". They dont care if they lose money, they are funded by Blackrock to push it and have been for years. Now that certian govt NGO's like USAID, which was used for anything and everything BUT what it was made for, is gone , SOME of the money is drying up, so thats why you see a pullback on SOME things Leyla.

>>211634421
>they shilled it hard enough that people kind of accepted it
they made it more normie-friendly. "shilling" had nothing to do with it.

>>211634625
>who hate star trek
more like, those who were grown up enough to undestand magic utopia is silly

>>211634367
I tried.
I failed.

>>211634654
geezers gonna geeze

>>211634421
>that people kind of accepted it,
people who don't know or like Trek, yes. And they moved to the next blockbuster cgi bukkake and forgot abou it, as usual

>>211634756
>people who don't know or like Trek
gatekeeping is not trek-like, hypocrite grampa

>>211634654
It was shilled because of JJ and you know it. It was nothing at all like any Trek, if by "Made it normie-friendly" you mean, make a parody version then say it's "better than the old one" I can safely tell you that the yellow liquid hitting you in the face is apple juice and you should be fine with that answer.

>>211634675
You aren't grown up lol
>>211634747
>>211634617
>>211634538
so much butthurt at natural gatekeeping

>>211634843
>natural

I viewed their handling of Star Trek similar to the way Sony handled Ghostbusters.

Not in the quality of the output of the rebooted material, which was a bad, but in how they market the franchise.
Sony pretended that Ghostbusters was this massive phenomenon that has massive reverence with the general public and it wasn't just a franchise from the 80s with 1 good movie, 1 bad movie, and a cartoon. They even try to do a fucking Ghostbusters convention.

Paramount did something similar, they clearly tried to FORCE Star Trek into this hierarchy equal to of Star Wars in the minds of the general public. They had all these conventions, the merch, the forced flood of TV shows for kids and adults. They wanted to gaslight the general public into caring about Star Trek and to make them believe that it's not just a thing that they know about through cultural osmosis and isn't mostly for nerds.

The problem is that the general public doesn't give a shit about Star Trek like they also don't give that much of a shit about Ghostbusters. It's a thing they know and it's a thing they've heard of, but they aren't going to watch or get deeply invested in and it doesn't matter how much Paramount tries to pretend, it won't change.

>>211634893
pleddit spacing

>>211634784
>It was shilled because of JJ
what does that mean? you mean it was advertised by the studio? yeah no shit.
star trek was always a nerd franchise, but it was famous enough that normies knew the name and a couple references like "beam me up, scotty". abrams took those superficial aspects and slapped them on a generic action movie and sold it to normies. wait why am I telling you this; you're trolling.

To "own the chuds". You wouldn't get it.

>>211634909
Yes

>>211634333 (OP)
Never seen an episode of any of those

100% just hubris and meanness. To take over a thing, and ruin it, without having the forethought to see they would be ruining their own profits and reputations in the process.
You know exactly who these people are.

>>211635030
>To take over a thing, and ruin it,
the thing is not yours
seething for something that does not belong to you
they have power over you
you are a bitch
the end

>>211634333 (OP)

That´s not fair, The Offer is probably one of the best shows in years.

As for New Trek i can´t really argue with that. The final season of Piccard was decently good and Strange New Worlds is... an acceptable way to burn time when you don´t actually have any shows to watch i guess?

Then again Star Trek´s never been particularly good.

>>211635084
are you retarded

>>211635047
Yeah, that's how they view it, because they think they own the audience and the audience doesn't have to be pleased in order to stick around. Hubris, like I said.
>well we'll just get a new audience!
How's that going?

>>211635309
>How's that going?
Who cares? ignore what you don't like and watch our disc rotten dvds

>>211635333
I'm not watching it, retard.

>>211635351
you're caring,
you're seething
why?

silly hope because you love a silly utopia?

>>211635371
Because dunking on retarded rich kids who can't even put tab a into slot b and run a simple franchise like Star Trek is fun.
I like Star Trek well enough. I'd watch it if it was good, but I'm not a deranged fanboy. They need me more than I need them.

>>211635410
rationalizing your sunk cost 10 years of seething.
loser.
you are passive just blindly hoping to an outside force to produce content in a specific form that was already stale and ran dwon

Where is this new audience that CBS/Paramount has supposedly amassed?

>>211635640
irrelevant

>>211634333 (OP)
It was for the shareholders so paramount could pretend it wasn’t obsolete so some executives could keep their jobs a little longer.

>>211635655
IRRELEVANT! IRRELEVANT!!!

>>211634333 (OP)
It was made for jewish money launderers.

>>211635687
cry louder geezer

>>211635664
That's not bad of a thesis because immediately after Paramount and CBS merged, which they did so they could be bought out, we saw a fucking bombardment of Star Trek shows

>>211635716
>bad of a thesis
suppositions is all seethers have

>I called this dance Kobayashi Maru
the peak of comedy
so I pick LD

>tuvix
>duka nothing wrong
the peak of geezer banter
so I pick classic trek

>>211635507
this is 4chan. the point is to be mad and petty about things, and never drop a grudge. this is just fun to me. you seem lost.

>>211636027
>geezer concedes he acts like a toddler having tantrums
ironic?

>>211636066
wdytya?

make better shows, btw

Reminder about the "geezer" poster

I haven't updated this in years btw

>>211636094
>make better shows
they don't want to
all you can do is cry like a passive bitch

>>211635762
and everyone talking about how much modern media sucks is all the engagement modern media has

>>211636178
I can continue not watching their shows

>>211634333 (OP)
It was for my mom, she watches this shit

Let me tell you one thing, people making Nu-Trek didn't grow up playing Fleet Command, Bridge Commander or Armada games, that's for sure.

>>211636321
>people making Nu-Trek didn't grow up
this is accurate as well

>>211635655
all audiences are irrelevant now that streaming has taken over Hollywood

>turn off the TV
>win
hehe

>>211634333 (OP)
Queers. Same as post-2017 Doctor Who.

>>211634675
>magic utopia
There's like ~3 TNG episodes that have anything to do with the "utopic" Federation society and basically every other episode is about Space Liberals playing Captain Cook or are just about a random crew member's personal problem of the week

>>211634421
I thought I liked it at first, but yes its crap. It's so frenetic that it never stops for a minute to allow itself to be Star Trek. The actors are cosplayers, they aren't channeling for shit except Urban, who at least tries to at least but runs into a skill issue.

>>211634333 (OP)
white men arent allowed to have nothing nice in life and they arent allowed to have heroes.

>>211635047
silence, jew.

>>211636140
All NuTrek shows got canceled. They spent years of their lives trolling with something that is already forgotten.

Allowed talent pool (female, brown, lgbt) is only able to produce shitty wokeslop. Doubt any of the creatives even watched any trek as it aired. Research if done would have been through trawling a fanwiki

>>211634333 (OP)
>all of these shows except Strange New Worlds have been cancelled
Strange New Worlds has been officially cancelled.

>>211636611
>white men arent allowed to have nothing nice in life and they arent allowed to have heroes.
>silence, jew.
both of the original leads were Jews, dumbass

>>211634893
Shut up zoomer, for a long time Star Trek WAS as big as Star Wars.

>>211635371
why did you fall for the idea that "engagement" like
>hey look at how shit this is
>wow that's shit
translates into money?

>>211634333 (OP)
Aaaaw crewman are you feeling a little blue about the state of nu-trek?
Well have I got just the remedy for you!
A delicious bowl of my famous Leola Root stew, come now I know you'd love a taste, I made it fresh just for you!

>>211636713
Star Trek was big when Star Wars had died between 1984-1998. Once Star Wars came back, Star Trek faded away.
The same thing happened in 2009-2014; Star Trek was "hot" again with the JewJew movies, and then once Star Wars came back, people immediately jumped to that.

>>211636713
The combined gross of every TNG movie from the 90s was $448.3M.
Star Wars Episode I, not counting re-releases, earned 924M in 1999.

The combined total of EVERY Star Trek movie up to 1999 was 898.5M

>>211634333 (OP)
Me. I always wanted to see trek embrace trying new things. All these shows tried different things and I love them for it.

>>211636814
Trek is fundamentally TV and Wars is fundamentally movies, even if both foray into the other field from time to time

>>211636782
Looks delish Neelix, I'll be back for seconds

>>211636710
Those are Europeans, I don't care about the religious history of their families.

>>211636710
Kirk is the whitest, most all-American looking boyscout ever.

>>211636979
Kirk is jewish anon.

>>211636782
when will I see you again Uncy Neel?

>>211636550
Or weird space anomaly of the week.
People completely over hype the "utopian" aspect of Star Trek. It's very much an in the background thing.
You want proof? there are shows like Stargate that pretty much just took the format without the whole utopian angle, and worked just as well, and pulled in much the same audience.
If anything, the military aspect of ST is more important than the utopian aspect. People like the fantasy of serving on a vessel.

>>211634675
You've obviously never watched DS9.

>>211637146
The utopian aspect of Star Trek is the background against which all of the drama of Trek unfolds. It's a crucial part of the human element of any Star Trek story, part of the human identity.

But it's always been vague and never really fleshed out because it was a Roddenberry thing, something he ardently insisted on, and he died. A lot of his other insistences were dropped -- that there could be no arguing on the ship, no interpersonal drama whatsoever -- but the utopic element of human existence is something that should never be abandoned, at least in the TNG+ timeline.
You can set very serious drama against that backdrop but you never fuck with the backdrop itself -- that is a big mistake Nu Trek made and why it doesn't feel like Star Trek.

>>211637075
Shatner passes for white better than most heebs

>>211637146
Which brings us to a deeper problem: Star Trek fans are deeply confused about what they like, and tend to be pretentious assholes who talk up the "important" aspects of ST, so they can feel clever about being into an ultimately fairly corny and juvenile show.
>yes, there may have been an episode of the original series where they visit a spooky haunted house, and one where the Greek Gods are real, and one where they meet a cheesy 60's secret agent with a pet cat, but there was also an interracial kiss! See, it's important, actually!

>>211637272
And that's why Lower Decks is the best thing that ever happened because it turns Trek into a big self aware joke.

>>211637254
>here could be no arguing on the ship, no interpersonal drama whatsoever
One might argue that is simply a representation of a military. You're supposed to do your job, and respect the chain of command, not bicker with your colleagues and bunk off to have sex in the broom cupboard.

>>211636713
No it wasn't. Not once was ST as big as SW. That was part of the appeal for a lot of fans of the show, it felt more mature and a bit more niche. I'd say that its cultural impact was far larger than its overall fame, but no one thinks that it was in any way more popular than Star Wars. The re-release of the OT blew every TNG movie out of the water in the late 90s in terms of revenue. You're smoking crack if you think otherwise.

>>211637272
>>211637306
People from the Prince of Jordan to Stephen Hawking are/were Star Trek superfans. Maybe you just didn't get it, anon.
>>211637357
t. neverserved

If you had actually served in a military, you would know that you spend about 20% of the time seeing to your duties and about 80% of the time sitting around fucking off, or as you say "bickering with your colleagues," lol.

>>211636426
yes, seethe

>>211636550
trek itself is a utopic future were humans got over war because of war itself, dumb liberal faggotry

>>211636766
>translates into money?
no, but it is not your problem.
so why do you care so much?

>>211637411
Doesn't matter. It's a fantasy of what being in the military is like (for children, mostly).

Also the notion that the characters in Star Trek don't have friendly squabbles or compete with each other can only be born of people not actually watching the show, because that's like half of the show. That's the whole relationship between Kirk, Spock and Bones, or the relationship between Data and Polaski, or the relationship between O'Brien and Bashir. Or the relationship between Trip and T'pol.
The point is it's kept professional. It doesn't descend into soap opera drama.

>>211634333 (OP)
Because Trek had lots of sexualizing women, black face and all other kinds of stuff they thought was going to destroy them. So they went hyper woke as a defensive strategy.

>>211637577
>hey look how shit this is
>yeah that’s shit
>WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH

When (you) put shit in front of people, they’re going to react. This doesn’t mean they’re walking around thinking about shit constantly.

>>211637357
>You're supposed to do your job, and respect the chain of command, not bicker with your colleagues and bunk off to have sex in the broom cupboard.
Yeah, you're SUPPOSED to, but your actual "job" takes up about 10% of your day with the rest being busy work, fucking off with your bros, and talking about how Chief Alamony is having sex with the new girl in the broom closet.

>>211636426
Streaming is dying.

>>211637306
>because it turns Trek into a big self aware joke
Trannies actually believe this.

>>211634893
Another issue is simply, Trek isn't what they want it to be.
Trek is a Philosophical Mystery show, in Military professionalism porn setting, set in space with a heafty dose of hard-scifi. The Trek they made was aimed at Normies, so was basically just Melodrama and I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE *Soiface*. Which feels like some lame fucking LARP of Trek that misses the point.
It's also clear the writers do not get the ideology of the show. They view Trek's Progressiveness, as being progressive identity politics, when Star Treks progressiveness, was always based in scientific materialism. The future is the way it is, because the techological and scientific and materialist level, have completely reshaped society and culture, to be one where intellectual and/or physical excellence is the driving force in most peoples lives. Like what the fuck does "trans/non-binary" mean in the Trek universe, when Quark is literally turned into a woman in a surgery that takes less than an hour?
The reason old Star trek works across the political spectrum, is because it just makes sense society would be like this when you live in functionally a high tech utopia where everything is provided for you with a voice command and Capitalism and profit seeking no longer exists. The reason New Trek grates is because it feels literally like Democrat Idpol propaganda that is extremely out of place. Like LITERALLY having ICE in Trek? What the actual fuck?

>>211637716
utopia is gayer

>>211637540
it's just space America.
>we had a big war, and turned into one state
So, America.
Science fiction simplifies the complexities of dealing with whole planets of people, by turning them into mono-cultures. It's a genre convention, and a sign of laziness, mostly.

>>211637624
>When (you) put shit in front of people, they’re going to react. This doesn’t mean they’re walking around thinking about shit constantly.
adult men would shrug and walkaway
fags, women or minorities would seethe
see how white adult men became fragile fags

>>211637775
>So, America.
yes, you are right, america quitted racism over the civil war

>>211637742
Anyone can imagine a dystopia. It's so fucking easy to think of misery because it's ever-present. Utopian media is so rare because only a handful of people are capable of envisioning a better world. It doesn't have to be realistic, realism is the death of art anyway.

>>211637659
I don't care that you've been in the military. We're talking about a TV show.
America's military is a hollowed out shell these days, anyway. You've got Generals doing Tiktok dances.

>>211637780
>REAL MEN do not talk

Powerful, brave. Tell us more about this masculinity. Do you have a podcast?

>>211637807
I have no problem with that, but all writers are lazy, human solved all their problems just because reasons. Show me a plausible path to utopia, but that is not trek.

>>211637806
It likes to think it did, at least. Boomers in the 60's certainly liked the fantasy that they could simply just get over it.

>>211637540
It's part of the background lore but isn't relevant to 99% of the actual episodes, which are about escorting an ambassador to a conference, or receiving a distress call, or encountering a strange phenomenon in deep space, or meeting a new alien species.

>>211637827
yes, real men would not care about military pijama fiction no matter how much invested they are.
sorry to break to you fag

>>211634333 (OP)
>Who the fuck was NuTrek for?
I think the question you should be asking is why and when we collectively decided that QUEERS should be the target audience for all nerdy things.
Why are queers the main target audience for these things now? Doctor Who, Star Trek, Star Wars. It's all lame and gay.

>>211637807
It's very easy to think about a better world. Jesus did it 2000 years ago.
>oh dude, what if we were all nice to each other, and shared our wealth
sure.

>>211637875
>Boomers in the 60's certainly liked the fantasy that they could simply just get over it.
that is my point, and we are 60 years later and nothing alike arised. it feels naive and "the wizard did it" solution that is not acceptable to current generation unless it is a pastiche

>>211637857
>Show me a plausible path to utopia
It's not meant to be plausible. Utopian fiction rarely is. The purpose of utopian fiction is to give people an ideal to inspire to.

>>211637817
Yeah, we're talking about a tv show based on the US military and how people bicker and fuck. I don't know why you mentioned that last part, but it seems like you have an axe to grind.

>>211637918
>It's very easy to think about a better world
Then why is utopian media so rare?

>>211637904
They've taken over bookstores and hobby stores too.

>>211637927
You're jumping from point to point.
WW3 in Star Trek wasn't a war over racism (according to the wiki it was started by eco terrorists?)

>>211637992
Literally Christianity. One of the most successful "franchises" in history.

>>211637904
Gays are high income whales and are the types that dominate cons these days.
Comicon is basically basedface gay pride fest these days.

>>211634333 (OP)
>Who the fuck was NuTrek for?
Companies think their woke stuff will be more successful if it panders to a larger audience besides the white male because if they pander to the whole world then it's a whole world for the market size of what they're selling. It's simple business logic.

However in the execution they slander and abuse their old-school fan base as racist, sexist, and everything-else-ist, so they alienate their core customer that has carried their weight for decades.

Then it turns out that the rest of the world really doesn't give a shit about what white men like, just get off on taking it from whtie men, and really don't want to watch and support it. So that "modern diversity audience" never really shows up.

And then companies blame their old-school fan base that they themselves alienated for the failures and losses.

>>211638038
Of course they did, these places are filled with women or weak willed men. They can show up, take up space, be loud and obnoxious with their narcissistic behavior, and get applause or at least indifference from everyone there. There's no push back or challenge. Just them being "authentic/true to themselves" ie: annoying. Those are places of fantasy and escapism. Perfect for living out fantasy lifestyles.

>>211638171
This has been a major problem with Hollywood lately, films and TV.

They're always trying to hit the billion dollar home-run instead of, for example, pandering to the niche audience Trek already has and trying to slowly grow it through quality.
You're not going to make a billion, but you WILL make money.

>>211638171
I don't agree with the perspective that it was all ultimately about seeking a larger amount of money. They knew what they were doing it. it was about "punishing the chuds", mostly for electing Trump(and partially for gamergate). They underestimated the degree to which the audience would just fuck off and refuse to take it.

>>211638136
Reminder that Sweet Baby Inc dyke who was bragging about "threatening companies with cancelation if they don't give them what they want"? That's why modern media is so gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq86DnmX2xY

>>211638273
There are both types of people involved, obviously. There are definitely agenda pushers...

but the MONEY GUYS, the guys who actually make things happen, are usually only interested in the money and they were probably sold on the logic of bigger market = bigger business.
I think the money boys are starting to wake up to the realities though. They're a little slow because they went to business school.

>>211638289
Isn't she facing a lawsuit right now?

>>211638341
I would SURE hope so

>yfw you realize what ultimately ended racism in Star Trek was the war against the Augments. Which is to say humanity unified against an outside threat (quasi racism)
It's really not *that* utopian

>>211638510
Holy fuck, I totally forgot about that guy.

>>211638510
Imagine following the wisdom of Rom.

>>211638510
2020-2022 was a fucking horrid time

>>211637964
>be inspired by the impossible
real humanity is over it

>>211638047
>WW3 in Star Trek wasn't a war over racism
the superior Khan eugenics over the "normal" plebs
veiled racism

>>211634333 (OP)
Emotionally stunted millennial and terminally online zoomers with excessive political brainrot
Though Pike riding on horseback through the snow in Strange New Worlds was an awesome visual and rugged Anson Mount is relentlessly handsome

>>211638326
The money guys are 100% retarded because they only have finance background, and even that is just gambling with someone else's money and counting on bailouts so they don't know how good entertainment is made and it all looks the same to them. The agenda people get to lose them a lot of money before getting kicked out, if interest rates hadn't gone up they'd still be running all these media properties.

>>211639069
The Augments were a multicultural group of people, created due to Soviet experiments.
Allegorical racism, maybe, but also not at all, really. It wasn't a color war, or a national war.
effectively they were a breakaway rogue ideological state. Khan was like Big Boss.

>>211639069
Oh, and the eugenics war and WW3 are different wars, just to clarify.

>>211639413
Zoomers don't know what Star Trek is, let alone watch it

>>211639413
>Pike riding on horseback through the snow in Strange New Worlds was an awesome visual and rugged Anson Mount is relentlessly handsome
Early SNW just screams "come on, white man, Star Trek will be based now" but the show itself is such a woke disaster. So desperate and dishonest.

>>211639036
Come on Znigger, you gotta do better than that or the commissars will drag you out of the demoralization farm and send you off to get DRONE'd on the frontlines.

> New Trek is dead! It just is! My Mommy told me so!

Oh dear. Anyway, 46 all new episodes of New Trek on the way over the next two years. And more after that.

>>211637357
>>211637254
>here could be no arguing on the ship, no interpersonal drama whatsoever
That wasn't for lore purposes, it was actually a writer constrain.
If the conflict can't be from within, it always have to come from outside.
That is hard work.
A battery of 50 writers on the last 10 nu-trek shows don't like hard work.

>>211638273
>gamergate
ITS. BEEN. 10. FUCKING. YEARS!
How have these faggots not gotten over that?

>>211639971
>And more after that
No. It's over.

>>211639629
I never said it wasn't just that its a cool visual
Probably the only thing in NuTrek that was good

>>211640053
Gamergate was the start of everything that went so wrong with the vidya industry. The failure of Gamergate emboldened the pronoun crowd like never before. There is pushback still but things could have been so much different if Gamergate was successful.

>>211640053
I mean, Star Trek Discovery is like eight years old.

>>211640155
Blame all of the fence sitters for going "actually, I like censorship now, lmao! Actually I think being a ""chud"" is worse than dishonesty and corruption! When people say they're getting death threats, you hecking LISTEN TO THEM!"
Bunch of useful idiots.

>>211640255
Exactly. People celebrate the orange man winning and rolling back DEI as if that's going to fix anything. It's just a bandaid. You're just rolling things back a couple of years. Wokeness was already a problem before DEI.

>>211640070

> Noooo! Mommy make them stop!

That you think that story is significant, and since you've posted it dozens of times since the weekend it obviously is to you, shows your tragic crippling confirmation bias.

>>211640365
Every single NuTrek show is now cancelled with no new projects in development. You're delusional.

>>211640365
Lower Decks was abruptly canceled after only fifty (50) 22-minute long episodes. That's 1100 minutes of content in total, less than just one season of TNG.

>>211640337
Bad people banding together to reshape society in their image has been a problem for all of human history.

>>211636928
Well they certainly do

>>211637881
Yikes, sad that a real man like you is obsessed with homosexuality. Poor example

>>211640500
That's because Kurtzman has a clause in his contract where if a show is in active production the contract keeps going. Paramount/Skydance cant void the contact until there's nothing in production

>>211640999
The contract is active until August 2026. So they better finish up their slop by then if they want it to see the light of day.

>>211640053
I aways remember the brave soldiers, nomatter how long the war was

>>211641198
Does that not count that there's two final seasons of Strange New Worlds in development?

>>211640500

Oh dear. May we see the "cancellation" for Star Trek: Starfleet Academy? And if you do your, "I'm an INSIDER!" fib again we'll point and laugh.

>>211640999

May we see that contract?

>>211634586
Lets face it if you were watching TNG when you were 10-15 you are bloody old now.

And most of us hated Picard.

>>211641546
You're crashing out because you know it's over. The more over it is, the more smug you pretend to be.

The world went full woke when the gay pride movement highjacked the BLM movement as a defense mechanism. Because Gay and Trans pride is just white supremacy by other means. The whitest businesses in the world are queer businesses. But they get to keep the moniker of being "diverse" even though they are all white. It's a clever trick that has fooled a lot of people. They even put colored people front and center in there cartoons and print media to maintain the "diverse" illusion even though the people making it are all white. And then at the highest level of grift they roll out the most retarded backwards brained black person they can find as a public facing person even though it's really the other 99% whites at the top behind the scenes that are in charge pulling all the strings.

The gay pride takeover grift worked once with the blacks and BLM and they are already angling to do it again with the Mexicans. Everybody is always looking out for themselves. Whites simply cracked the code for a minute with the Pride movement.

>>211641614

So, you can't show that "cancellation" and are hoping if you continue screaming no one will notice that over the noise. Doesn't work.

>>211641704
Not that long ago you were insisting that LDrecks, SNW, and STD would keep going on forever and ever. Now they're all cancelled. SFA is not even out yet and may never come out. It may get reworked into some Frankenstein streaming movie like S31.
I hope you'll find something productive to do with your life after the dust settles. Instead of seething with visceral hatred at people who like Star Trek and refuse to like your wokeslop.

>>211641850

> I still can't show it so I'll keep screaming even louder.

It's not working...

>>211634333 (OP)
I just wanna go back to when we were just shitting on Voyager and Enterprise for being kinda shitty.
This new timeline is more hellish than we ever could have imagined.

>>211641998
After it SFA is done (assuming it does), you'll just pretend it was always part of the plan. You could just move on now and spare people your crippling autism.

>>211634333 (OP)
People that watched them liked them.

>>211634333 (OP)
I liked Picard S3. Too bad I had to watch s1 and s2. S2 had a good beginning but then it went to shit very fast.
Never watched any of the other new shows, I only watched Picard because TNG was my favorite show as a teen.

>>211641601

The DTC are the creepy old guys at conventions grabbing the seat next to young unaccompanied boys.

They ain't there for the Trek.

>>211634333 (OP)
I haven't heard of any of these except Picard which I watched with my family and we thought it was pretty alright. Other than that the only Star Trek media I've seen is a couple of the films, a couple of episodes from the original series, and some clips from TNG because one of my friends kept trying to convince me it was "based". So maybe NuTrek is marketed at people who aren't Star Trek fans and don't know anything about the franchise.

>>211642080
Who are these people?
Because I watched more of this shit than I should have and I loathe them

>>211642079

> Still no "cancellation notice'.

>>211642178
There won't be one. It'll just end.
What drives you? Why do you hate Star Trek so much? You've been at it for six years now.

>>211642303
the old guard has to go

>>211642918
But it won't. There is no modern audience.

>>211643004
have I ever implied the replacement of the guard?
the old one just has to go

>>211634333 (OP)
Star Trek is groomer propaganda to brainwash the people for the next coming war. The technology is all real and the show is disinfo. I had the entire thing exposed to me years ago.

>>211643223
>the old one just has to go
It won't.

>>211636713
probably more accurate to say that star wars was as small as star trek

>>211643251
You can atribute value to anything imagine we collect magic shiny rock and turn it into magical ring

Star trek as Rodenberry stated it was a hoppi reserve meets european libertinajé

>>211634333 (OP)
They quite literally want new viewers. The old fans are not buying products, and are starting to die of old age.

>>211639436
>if interest rates hadn't gone up they'd still be running all these media properties
scary thought but probably correct

>>211643480
They haven't done a good job getting and keeping a new audience.

>>211643480
Understandable. But I got into Trek as a teenage boy because of the cool adventures, space battles and hot (alien) babes. That's where the next generation has always been. Not among wine aunts and female young adult activists.

>>211643439
I don't care how many magic stellarators you have. A trap is still a trap.

>>211634893
>>Paramount did something similar, they clearly tried to FORCE Star Trek into this hierarchy equal to of Star Wars in the minds of the general public
I'm sorry anon I'm not trying to flame you so I won't call you a faggot but you are dead wrong, Star Trek was LITERALLY as mainstream as Harry Potter if not more so for decades and was a lot more 'normie' than Star Wars.

Before they built the canopy over Fremont St in Vegas (a terrible decision' the casinos were looking for a big project they were going to fund together to bring people Downtown, their big idea was to build a true scale starship Enterprise (presumably the Constitution refit as the films were popular at the time). Paramount or Desilu or whoever held the rights at the time pulled it because they didn't want to tarnish Trek with Vegas. At no time did anyone consider building a Millennium Falcon. Star Wars relevance only ever existed around the films and within a couple of years it had become something for kids and sweaty weirdos. Trek aphorisms exist in the general lexicon which everyone understands, 'warp speed', 'beam me up Scotty'.

This might be a big surprise to people who can't remember it because it did change after decades but any normie would sit and watch an episode of Star Trek while Star Wars was much more a geek thing.

>>211646065
No the reason they scrapped the idea of a life size Enterprise was because it would have a) been ungodly expensive and b) the design does not work with gravity, the saucer would have fallen off, and the nacelles would have been unsupported. They literally explained this.

>>211646595
Okay but did they not consider building it? I am not making any relevant statement about why they did or didn't build it, the point is they wanted to. They didn't want to build a Saturn V or a Star Destroyer or Thunderbird 3, they wanted to build the Enterprise because in terms of actual cultural penetration Star trek was far beyond any similar franchise.

>>211647004
No I know. I'm just saying that they abandoned it for practical reasons, not "they didn't want to tarnish Trek with Vegas" which is completely untrue, because they eventually did Star Trek: The Experience at the Hilton which operated from the late 90s into the 2000s

You know one of the things that pisses me off the most about nuTrek?
The majority of starship designs are ugly as fuck. What happened to the standards there?

>>211648763
USS Discovery in STD has got to be the ugliest hero ship ever. There's a reason why the original Ralph McQuarrie concept it was based on was abandoned. Tiny saucer with stupid gaps in it. Nacelles are longer than the entire length of the ship.

>>211648763
Very true. Another big problem

>>211634333 (OP)
2016 broke the minds and souls of many in the tv & films industry. They will never heal.

>>211649598
>>211649473
again; what happened? Are the producers afraid to say "this is ugly, change it now" or do they think it looks good?

>>211638136
yeah fucking right. the median male homosexual is a methhead that fucks strangers at motel orgies

It's just the women that can sit through getting a BFA taking over all writing positions because of corporate credentialism