Thread 211637151

>>211637151 (OP)
The entire point of Fight Club is that Tyler Durden's anti-authority agenda was ultimately just as destructive to young men as conformity to the systems they felt trapped within. He even explicitly states that "self-improvement is masturbation while self-destruction on the other hand..." to make it obvious to the viewer but that message STILL went over most of their heads.

>>211637293
so whats the correct path to take?

Yeah nothing Tyler Durden did was justified he was literally an insane person, that's kind of the point

>>211637151 (OP)
Palaniuk wrote this while fantasizing about freewheeling cocksure dudes and this is the result. He didn't have a damn thing to say about "society"

>>211637329
Grilling. Loving your wife, raising your son and grilling all summer

>>211637562
the goodest goy.

>>211637329
The ending implies that what the narrator really needed was real human connection instead of self-destruction/retreat into fantasy or just numbing yourself to everything with consumerism. The message of the film is literally, "touch grass and get laid"

>story is about a gay man who lives out his gay fantasies by creating a tulpa
>it all fails anyway
Why do people take inspiration to this?

I find it funny that the censored chinese version used the canon ending from the book.

>>211637662
kek

>>211637293
>>211637329
It's also written by a gay man. Basically get in touch with your feminine side and learn to love instead of being a Tate wannabe incel chud

>clearly unstable person in your office
>think you can make him quake in his boots with performance review
>he starts beating himself up and acting like you’re doing it

Looking back it does a poor job of its "anti authority" themes. It just seemed like that was all an excuse to cause chaos due to boredom and being a legit closeted gay.

>>211637293
How was it destructive if it got him free money for life?

previously on the shield

>>211637623
The “message” is if you think the atomized life is good, you haven’t lived.

I'm surprised there wasn't a scene where he had sex with a dude and said "erm, my alter ego did it! So that doesn't make me gay :^)"

>>211637293
>there are literally only two options for people

>>211637626
Because no one cares that the author was gay. The message everyone got was materialism can’t fulfill a person.

>>211637903
See
>>211637623
There is a third option but it's the option lonely angry men are least likely to pursue

>>211637293
>>211637623
there is no "retreat into fantasy" lol. tyler durden is the real man that does something with his limited time on earth, whereas pre- and post-durden ed norton is a vegetative unperson that will die having left no discernible mark on the world. in the end durden dies having achieved his goal, whereas norton is not even capable of formulating goals. no amount of spin will cover this basic truth.

>if anyone tries to tell you that consumerism can fulfill you, punch them as hard as you can, even if they’re you

Good message

>>211637562
her son*

>>211638221
>Does something with his limited time on Earth
Terrorism isn't something to aspire to as an ultimate goal lol

>>211637850
and what amazing feats have you done in your life?

>>211638467
Well I wouldn’t call your mom great, but I did that

>>211638531
#rekt

>>211638388
Terrorism is using (the threat of) violence to force political change, not just blowing up buildings. Tyler’s goal was to erase the debt record, he accomplished that.

>there are only two options. be a materialistic NPC or some anarchist faggot
>what do you mean you could just be a normal functioning human being? NO NO NO NO! TWO *clap* FUCKING *clap* OPTIONS *clap*!!!

>>211637798
i wish i knew this tactic as a kid
>called into principal's office
>"it's my understanding that you used a racial slur young man"
>"umm sir what are you doing?"
>rip off my pants
>start molesting myself
>"sir, please no, please don't put that monster up my tiny preteen butthole"
>shove my whole hand up my ass
>fist myself vigorously
>tell him i'll show my ruined hole to the cops unless he gives me perfect grades and attendance for the whole semester
>walk out of the office whistling with my prolapsed anus slapping against the back of my thighs

>>211638531
so nothing, got it. also don't reply to yourself. it's extremely obvious.

>>211638614
Blowing up buildings to erase the debt record IS using violence to achieve a political goal meaning it is, by definition, terrorism.

>>211638388
"terrorism" is by definition a means, not a goal, dummy.

>>211638679
"a materialistic NPC" and "a normal functioning human being" are in fact the same thing expressed in respectively a masculine (reality-based) and a feminine (agreeability-based) vocabulary. you cannot function "normally" without following an npc script, that's what "normal" is, script-adherence.

>>211638762
yes, and?

>>211638762
so he didn't "aspire to terrorism as a goal" then, did he? he aspired to political goal. norton, meanwhile, aspires to nothing. real person vs unperson drone.

>>211638940
>>211638768
Semantics, you know what point I'm making and you're being deliberately obtuse

>>211638388
>but but but in trying to oppose a system hostile to himself he did not obey the standards of conduct established by that system
why would he? you have terminal womanbrain

>>211637730
What would a gay man know about love?

>>211639113
The point of Fight Club is that connection > destruction, even if well-intended. Missing that point is mostly the fault of the film only spending its last few seconds hammering it home.

>>211637903
I think, you have to have a good balance of both lives. It's okay to be comfortable, but it's not okay to be stagnant and boring. Go out and live, just don't be retarded and remember to have good discernment.

>>211639097
*Semitics

>>211639097
you are being deliberately obfuscatory when you say things like "his goal was terrorism" and even if i read it charitably as "his means were terrorist" then
>>211639113
furthermore, even if you consider his means immoral, immoral people are at least people. norton is literally just nothing. you can't be meaningfully good or bad if you're incapable of action. even norton's big "reward" - a trainwreck whore of a girlfriend - had to be obtained for him by durden, by the means of durden fucking her with norton's penis. he couldn't even do that without somebody else taking over.
>>211639331
>the point of the movie is this thing i made up that they forgot to put in the movie
hopeless retardation. notice how in the actual movie it is men "connecting" that leads to the biggest acts of (righteous, creative) "destruction." they don't destroy anything, or do anything else, when they're alone in their private miseries. "just go get a girlfriend bro" is not real "connection," it's adding another regulatory mechanism to a life of private misery. real connections are made between peers, ie men.

>>211637623
The ending implies that what the narrator really needed was real human connection instead of self-destruction/retreat into fantasy or just numbing yourself to everything with consumerism. The message of the film is literally, "touch grass and get laid"
NO
"Tyler" got laid all the time and how was his mental state ?
It shows he needed to incorporate Tyler not become him
Only then is he worthy of love
He is not owned by his possessions nor his need to destroy .
Fight Club obviously would continue its mission without inserting dicks or pissing in soup.
They hold hands as the system falls.
He is free

>>211639883
CLARIFICATION

>He is not owned by his possessions or his need >to destroy

SHOULD READ
He is not owned by his possessions or his juvenile impulses.

and end
He has become a man
He is free

>>211639883
>>211640098
delusional womanbabble predicated on mislabeling everything to produce confusion. taking violent action in the world is not a "retreat into fantasy" but the exact opposite. durden is the least enmeshed in "fantasy" of all the characters. the ending involves norton not embracing but abandoning human connection (to the community of men durden has built). a man's capacity to act violently is neither "juvenile" nor does it "own" him. durden is the only character in the film that "owns" his capacity for violent action and uses it purposefully, towards a real goal. no change is possible without him. he is the only man.

>>211639097
The point you’re making is you see no distinction between blowing up buildings to directly accomplish a goal by destroying said buildings and blowing up random buildings to cause politicians with no direct connection to said buildings to do something also not relevant to said buildings.

Because American education

>>211640487
jacking off in a strangers soup tee hee
dick pics at childrens movies , so manly !

you - not juvenile
opinion - dismissed

Your arguments were destroyed by a superior intellect, me.
A real man would accept defeat and learn from it

Everything could have been accomplished without Tyler Durdens juvenile impulses or his inability to connect with a woman as a human being.
Both Norton and Tyler were owned.
In the end he has his first human connection, holding hands.
Not sex with someone you care nothing about , not a relationship with a despised rival but a human connection.
She shows caring for him, he gently reassures her, they hold hands.
Its obvious whether intended or not

>>211640941
>Everything could have been accomplished without Tyler Durden
norton couldn't fuck a woman without someone else using his dick for him, let alone orchestrate surgical terrorist strikes on the financial industry. you're dumb as a brick.

>>211640941
Tyler’s small acts of “rebellion” were mirrors of norton’s small acts of connection. Both were part of why Tyler escalated

>>211639218
A lot more than a woman ever would.

>>211641303
You cant even engage honestly , just make things up
I did not realize I had defeated you so thoroughly, so completely.
You are Tyler absent he vision or violence.
Just a guy who is likely to try and jack off in the food of some family who are enjoying each others company, seething with jealousy and crying as you watch, then jerking to deal with your humiliation.
Damn , you're probably doing that now

>>211637151 (OP)
>deserved
?

>>211641631
that's the literal plot of the movie, genius. marla is with norton at the end because durden used norton's dick to give her a bunch of orgasms and pair-bond her to norton's body. try following the plot of the film instead of fantasizing about my penis you stupid faggot

Fight club is about how men need both social and antisocial influences in their lives or they become women.

>>211640941

It’s funny that you’re preening about your intellectual superiority while at the same time missing the connection between Tyler’s antisocial behavior and the narrators social behavior.

I've never seen fight club

>>211637730
Palahniuk is a red-blooded American male who happens to like cocks. Fight Club is about how we live in a feminized society which leads to an identity crisis for me, and how the lack of traditional masculine fulfillment leads men to react in bad ways.

The actual inspiration for fight club is palahniuk was an openly gay man working in an office and after a night of rough trade came in with a black eye and no one wanted to ask about it.

>>211637151 (OP)
wait. what is wrong with large coffees?

>>211638762
so kikes doing 9 11 is terrorism?

>>211651058
Nothing when ingested orally.

>>211651150
Osama’s goal with 9/11 was to break the American hegemony and he succeeded, so no.

>>211637293
...what is the end of the sentence? Is it also masturbation? Is that bad? What WAS the message?

>>211639883
Indeed, but even still i don't think FIght club is about laying down a road amd telling the audiences what to do. It's more about showing the destructive sides of certain paths. Total rejection of everything decent isn't the way, but 100% conformity neither.

>>211653559
Self destruction is actually building you up or something like that. It's all very ironic.

>>211653784
The fuck does that mean? WHAT is ironic? What is with you symbolism faggots and your violent allergy to being clear?

>>211653870
>>211653784
>>211653559
You literally need to destroy muscle, parts of yourself, to become a better person.

>>211653960
What does that have to do with anything you stated before?