Can Star Wars be saved once Kennedy is gone?

>>211654360 (OP)
>One day a few years into her TV production career, she went to see a new sci-fi film, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which was written and directed by Spielberg. The film inspired her so much, she says, she dropped everything and headed north to Los Angeles to break into Hollywood movie-making. She called up her former college roommate, an actress who was married to director Robert Zemeckis—and the friend got Kennedy her first interview, with filmmaker John Milius, who was developing Spielberg’s next movie, 1941.

Why don't you guys just call up your BFF and get an interview with an A-list director?

>>211654360 (OP)
That cannot be an actual quote. That's straight up dementia.

Star Wars should've died 30 years ago

>>211654360 (OP)
>throws beloved EU characters into the garbage
>complains about lack of source material
>brings back a few, like Thrawn
>makes them a shadow of themselves
Thankfully she hasn't raped Mommy Sunrider.

>>211654734
I'm happy they haven't touched Tahiri. Poor girl's life was already a nightmare.

>>211654582
She never knows what she's talking about.

>>211654822
They wouldn't be able to make her work even if they wanted, Tahiri's life is tragic because she was a sweet and upbeat tomboy who's life quickly becomes a living nightmare and ends up a jaded outcast who hates herself and only finds redemption when she's basically forced to become a Jedi again.

Disney would fuck it up from the start by making her an unlikeable cunt.

>>211654360 (OP)
its a stupid quote but kennedy is the one holding filoni back

without here, we're gonna see slop we've never seen the likes of before

>>211654360 (OP)
Oh man, if only they had story treatments for three movies written by George Lucas himself. If only they had dozens of scripts written for a massive premium tv series that was never made. If only they had decades of stories in books, comics and video games. Oh well...

Disney threw away 30 years worth of comics and novels approved by Lucas

I think I can clarify
>We can't use the EU because it was made from a bunch of riskier small budget projects where people went wild with weird concepts and different elements of the universe when the massive budget we have pretty much limits us to jedi vs sith stories and all the other shit people already know from the movies

>>211655410
I know, it's insane that this globally beloved franchise had no expanded universe with insanely popular characters! It amazes me that they never capitalized on the success and never licensed hundereds of books, graphic novels, or games.

>>211655410
>If only they had dozens of scripts written for a massive premium tv series that was never made.
I'm still surprised that Disney never just dusted of the Star Wars Underworld scripts and made that series.

>>211655747
It was a subpar script. Not enough Whedon-quips, not enough diversity, no easily cut gay shit.

>>211655410
>>211655747
Disney and KK think that SW is simple, and they don't want to pay writing fees to some author who wrote something 34 years ago. That's basically it. They could make original Disney content with writers on a leash which make it 100% Disney owned, or they could adapt some novel series and then have to pay 0.1% of profits to the author forever. It's economically more efficient to just cut out the old authors entirely.

Reminder that comics and novels were never canon, and were never going to be used for film and tv. It was just merchandise filler for fat nerds.

The only thing Lucas took from EU for his ST was Darth Talon, because he is a massive coomer. Liked the design, but changed her entire story. That's it.

So as much as I hate KKKennedy, she is not wrong here. The sequels are bad not because they didn't adapt shitty fanfiction slop books.

>>211654360 (OP)
>Can Star Wars be saved
No.

>>211656485
Except she's not talking about quality, she's talking about having no books or material to base themselves on, that includes that script you posted which Lucas said he hoped they would use for the sequels.

>>211654360 (OP)
Kathleen saved Star Wars when she made Andor.

>>211656623
You mean the show thats about the OT, an OT that's rendered pointless in the sequels?

>>211656622
George Lucas' ST outline is not the EU. Them rejecting Lucas and fucking him over is a whole another topic. OP, and half of the faggots in this thread, seem to be genuinely confused as to why they didn't adapt shitty books. Well, that was NEVER going to happen. Not under Lucas, not under Disney. So yeah, all these books and comics might as well not exist: they are not canon, and 99% of the people making film and tv never consider them as having happened.

>>211654360 (OP)
No, and that's a good thing.
Star Wars is pure cancer, a tumor on cinema only worshipped by manchildren who really look at kid cartoons and see real life allegories.
Star Wars is a societal cancer created by a jew, and the sooner it dies the better.

>>211656690
the sequels dont exist to me, just like the prequels. Ive made my mind a sunless place.

>>211654734
The truth is, the EU erasure was a blessing. Maybe we didn't see it that way at first, but it was spared of being forever ruined by Yidsney. A swift death is a better fate than that.

>>211656836
It's hilarious that even the Disney numales have to pretend the sequels aren't canon.
Star Wars is so dead.

>don't bring back Kyle
>don't give Luke his waifu

>>211656788
>Them rejecting Lucas and fucking him over is a whole another topic.
No it's not, it's the exact same thing.
This bitch is saying they had no material to base themselves on when they had a myriad of stories, be it Lucas' script or the EU, and they chose none because none of those were the creatively bankrupt soft reboot they wanted.

I still like the Yuuzhan Vong. That whole plot gave star wars some teeth and edge.

>>211656788
>99% of the people making film and tv never consider them as having happened.
Which is a blessing, imagine these old, blue haired feminists trying to write Mara Jade. Jaina, Tahiri or even worse, Abeloth.

>>211656938
>discount doom guy han solo with a lightsaber /v/erminshit self insert power fantasy, who stole death star plans, who is the most important rebel operative, who is also a jedi, who is also luke's bff, who is also a master at his academy, who also has an asian waifu
>waifubait mary sue who goes against the entire story and themes of Star Wars, and doesn't look anything like a star wars character

>>211657110
Tenel Ka would be hilarious because of her retarded way of speaking.

>>211656788
>>211657125
Filonifag.

>>211654360 (OP)
is that a real quote?
mask off moment for the IP wranglers that have overtaken movie studios

>>211657306
Who? Filoni was never mentioned. Seems like someone's living rent-free in your head.

>>211654582
>thinking any (((hollywood))) executive has basic knowledge of the products they make

What she meant was that there is no good source material. And no, you can't just remake KOTOR 1 and 2.

>>211657412
WHO??? HE'S ONLY THE CREATOR OF MANY GREAT STAR WARS SHOWS AND CHARACTERS!

>>211657464
>no good source material
Ironic, because the sequels seem to be very loose adaptations of Dark Empire and Legacy of the Force, the two worst, most hated series in the EU

>>211657545
Well, they obviously had no good source material to work with then.

>>211657412
It's always you, Filonicuck

>>211654360 (OP)
if a woman says it can't be done, it just can't be done. men have let us down again.
https://odysee.com/@Realfake_Newsource:9/RFNS-4.22-001-018:5

>>211655471
>Disney threw away 30 years worth of comics and novels approved by Lucas
I hate Disney. I just don't understand though why people like yourself push weird misinformation. Lucas didn't approve all this shit down to the letter, he is very adamant that the EU was an extra thing and he didn't pay much attention to it.

It made logical sense for Disney to wipe the slate clean to create new things with a continuity. That doesn't erase those stories from existing. The problem is the stuff Disney made was bad and then started to contradict itself.

But let us be real, the EU wasn't some perfect thing. All this lore and extra stuff is all over the place when it comes to quality and people always only took some stuff they liked seriously.

Fucking exhausting hearing people pearl clutch and act like HOW DARE THEY GET RID OF THE EU when most of you didn't read any of it anyway.

>>211657646
They certainly had better than the very bottom of the barrel of the EU.
Could have done the Thrawn trilogy, New Jedi Order, Fate of the Jedi, or pick the safe and easy option and stick to Lucas' script.
But no, they ruined the franchise by trying to soft reboot it.

>>211657757
What they had to do was wipe it clean, pick what worked and base it on that,
Instead we get black lesbian witches creating the Force

>>211654360 (OP)

Star Wars and Disney Wars are not the same thing anon. Just let it go.

>>211657545
I don't remember Legacy of the Force being super hated. I thought the series after that with Abeloth was the one that was hated.

>>211657757
Then why not use Lucas' script?

ugh, i am sorry, where are my dark and griddy bdsm-loving force immune lightsaber resistant discount warhammer 40k dark elves from another galaxy?!?!?!?

>>211654474
>How the Star Wars producer went from secretary to studio boss
You just know it was some combination of sex/betrayal/blackmail

>>211657875
Legacy of the Force got really retarded when every third book you had to jump away from the central conflict to jerk off the Mandalorians for 400 pages because Karen Traviss was on of the three authors on the project.

>>211657875
Legacy of the Force was a travesty that ruined Jacen, Tahiri and basically forgot that the Yuuzhan Vong war happened.
Pure Denning slop.
FOTJ at least introduced some different stuff like finally having something related to Celestials, or the lost tribe of the Sith which were cool as well.

>>211657973
Oh yeah. That. Now I remember. Yeah that was pretty dumb. I liked reading about how the Mandalorians handled the Yuuzhan Vong during the war but most of those sections were fucking dreadfully boring.

>>211657459
The same could be said of most companies and thinktanks. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Expect nothing. And the higher up you go in the company/agency the less of a clue they're likely to have.

>>211658029
It didn't ruin Jacen or Tahiri. The Yuuzhan Vong shit ruined them. No one got more mindfucked during that saga than those two did and they were never the same

>>211654360 (OP)
You can't unrape a gaping bloody asshole, just let it go

>>211657923
100x better than a buckbroken Luke Skywalker that abandoned his friends after trying to assassinate his sleeping nephew.
100x better than Rey, a boring mary sue protagonist that has zero feminine energy despite being a woman.
100x better than making the entire OT pointless, because somehow Palpatine and the Empire has returned more powerful than ever before to fight the rebellion once again, only to be taken out by bullshit in the first and third movies...again.

>>211656010
that's now how optioning of book rights works, retard.

>>211658428
Trillions getting killed, Chewbacca getting killed by the moon, Coruscant getting terraformed, Imperial war criminals ending up ruling the galaxy again because New Republic is just that incompetent, retconning the true purpose of the death star - all make the entire OT pointless, retard.

>>211656861
This is why I hope they don't touch Kotor, even though they ripped off Revan and Bastila for Kylo and Rey's design

>>211658786
All of those things are New Republic's fault because they weren't strong enough. Natural progression in the galaxy.
No rehashes.No characters suddenly acting completely different.
OT had purpose. The Empire would've destroyed more planets like Alderaan and become too powerful to defeat.

>>211657899
You do know there has been like 5 different proposed Lucas sequel plans? Which one.

>>211654360 (OP)
Stop calling them the sequels. Stop saying sequel trilogy, and say Disney trilogy. It's freeing.

>>211659121
Presumably the ones that he wrote treatments for before he sold the company.

>>211654360 (OP)
No, because she'd most likely be replaced by Filoni who I would argue is at this point the absolute last person who deserves to be in a position of power within Lucasfilm.

>>211655471
The best part is they did that and still chose to trace it anyway.

>JUST TWO MORE WEEKS UNTIL KATHLEEN KENNEDY IS OUT

>>211657125
a hot alien that sexes up jedi

>>211656260
Lucas was very flip floppy on the EU (Some of its dumbest ideas and rules are unironically directly from the man himself) especially in the 90's he would suck its dick quite a lot

I'm not some diehard EUfag there's a lot of it that was complete fan fiction garbage and the people acting like Disney are "Stealing" EU characters for the new stuff are stupid when there's obvious character archetypes and stories that are going to naturally overlap but stuff like Shadows of the Empire multimedia project was basically Lucasfilm doing beta tests for the Prequel trilogy and how to gear up for a massive media push come the prequels

You also had both Lucas and Iger saying when the Star Wars sale happened that the books, comics, games etc. were massive assets that could be used which Kennedy almost instantly binned completely and then complained 5 years later that she had "no source material to work with"
https://youtu.be/YyqlTi7lkhY?t=89

>>211654360 (OP)
Star Wars is dead dude. Time to move on

>>211660438
Based Treeanon.

>>211654582
No I've seen this before with mlp
This is sincere

>>211654360 (OP)
interim SW comics had balls, modern SW is not allowed to have balls, therefore it is not source material they can pull from. everything must be braindead for the children.

>>211654360 (OP)
It could never be saved after tfa.

IMO publicly decanonizing the EU wasn't much of a problem. It was various tiers of fanfiction anyway. What was retarded was to not keep it as what it was best at, a creative playground and leave it to the authors of games, comics and novels which material they want to incorporate in their own stuff. If something worthwhile turned up (= resonates with the target audience, like the x-wing novels, the thrawn trilogy or kotor) they could then take it and turn it into a tv series or movie.
Instead they initially tried to make a giant cross media "everything we release henceforth is canon" trashfire, that even an imbecile should easily recognize as an unmaintainable concept. The second big mistake was letting unskilled writers at the franchise, who simply couldn't produce worthwhile dialogue, characterization or plot if their life depended on it, and doubling down when they were called out.

>>211658786
Not all stories have good endings. People die. Sometimes everyone doesn't all just live happily ever after. That doesn't make prior events void of purpose.

>>211660413
I was never a big EUfag but I will always seethe that they had the balls to cast Gwnedoline Christie in the new movies and then have her play a completely pointless Boba Fett ripoff instead of Admiral Daala
she's a perfect slam dunk for woke girlboss points while still being a way better character than anything they actually put in the ST

>>211654360 (OP)
The EU was the only part that was interesting in Star Wars.
The movies and shows is just people shooting guns, Jedi awkwardly swinging lightsabers while forgetting they can use the Force or boring politics.

>>211660750
Name literally any story with a happy ending
literally a single one

"non-canon, awful fanfiction garbage chudcore" but still good enough to be selling official Mara Jade lightsabers kek

>Disney was so bad it made people forget what a hack Lucas is
SW is capeshit, it's slop for manchildren, always has been

>>211654360 (OP)
SW is garbage for manchildren so there's nothing there to save.

>>211654582
If you actually read her quote, she's referring to actuadecarbonize. under Disney. The old EU is dogshit + decanonized.

>>211662145
>>211662223
It's actually meant for teenage boys. Fascinating how both the far left/right have such a problem with entertainment for that particular demographic.

>>211662720
>It's actually meant for teenage boys
Actually, if you're a teenager and still watching Star Slop, you deserve to be bullied ruthlessly.

>>211654360 (OP)
>Can Star Wars be saved once Kennedy is gone?
No. It's still Disney. Look at Marvel or live action. All shit, despite Kennedy not being involved.

>>211662295
>actuadecarbonize

>>211659721
>trace
?

>>211654360 (OP)
Funniest shit ever, especially considering George Lucas said this 12 years ago when he sold Star Wars to Disney

>I have story treatments of 7, 8, and 9 and a bunch of other movies and obviously we have hundreds of books and comics and everything you could possibly imagine. So I sort of moved that treasure trove of stories and various things to Kathy, and I have complete confidence that she's gonna take them and make great movies."

>>211655604
except the thrawn trilogy is not very imaginative at all and basically operates in such a limited capacity that the books could be used as a screenplay

where is darth icky

>>211654360 (OP)
I'm suprised at the caliber of the audiobooks, they've got Anthony Heald, who's usually found voicing Crime And Punishment.

>>211654360 (OP)
Yes. Literally, L I T E R A L L Y, all you have to do is delete anything that Disney or Dave Filoni are involved with. (Yes, that includes anything to do with Ahsoka and The Clone Wars, which was always proto-Disney.)
That takes you back to right after Revenge of the Sith just finished and keeps a small overflow the good stuff from the late 2000s like the Darth Plagueis novel or the KotOR comics. Then you simply go ahead from there.
It would be like if you time traveled back to a pivotal moment, knowing what you know about Disney, and course-correcting so it never happens.

>>211665781
It was a lot fucking longer than 12 years, forgetful bot.

>>211665781
Kathy knew all this and was one of the first people Lucas called in to help develop a potential sequel trilogy before Disney was ever in the discussion of buying the license.

JJ Abrams and Bob Iger are why nothing Lucas wrote was developed. Disney could not find a director who wanted to direct them and Iger was pushing for as early of a release date as possible for episode VII to start making money back on the 4 billion they spent. JJ refused to direct using Lucas' treatments but when Disney tossed him the idea "ok what if you made it all" then JJ was on board. And after Disney promised everyone a new Star Wars movie releasing in 2015 JJ pretty much had full control of the entire direction of the film. Because he knew, that if he walked, Disney was fucked.

>>211654360 (OP)
>Can Star Wars be saved once Kennedy is gone?

Yes, its still a good setting and you can still telling interesting stories in it; but for anything set after the sequel trilogy you basically have to rebuild from scratch because there's nothing there to make a foundation for new films that people actually want to see.

Rey Palpatine is a dull Mary Sue, Finn and Po are just her hangers on who don't have any agency and the villains are all dead. So you've got nothing except for the setting which is still good.

If I was in charge I'd time skip forward like 100 years. The New Republic is in charge but kind of weak, Finn and Po are dead, Rey is the now elderly leader of a new jedi order with grown up Baby Yoda as her second in command and a new batch of young jedi who will be your new protagonists. You introduce a new threat and in the first film you do the one interesting thing you can do with an overpowered Mary Sue character like Rey Palpatine and you kill her off to establish how dangerous the new threat is. From there you move forward and never mention the nonsense of the sequel trilogy ever again.

Fundamentally you've still got a setting that lets you have sword fights, gun fights, aerial dogfights, magic, aliens, monsters, and any crazy planet you can imagine to put them on. Star Wars is an easy thing to write because you can do practically anything with it. Its not rocket science and I'm honestly astounded Disney and Kathleen Kennedy managed to fuck up the sequel trilogy so hard.

Why did they go with the Resistance and First Order bullshit?
I get they wanted to ape the same underdog framing as the OT but come on, no one pointed out how dumb and confusing it sounded?

I accept I'm always going to be a little bitch faggot assmad about what they did to Luke

>>211657125
>goes against the themes of star wars
Isn't she, to sum it up, just a Sith that got redeemed? That's pretty in line with the franchise

>>211654360 (OP)
Only way to do it is to retcon everything after Return of the Jedi and bring back the EU, you can keep some shit like maybe Mando and Andor but the sequel trilogy is dead. Then adapt the Thrawn books and get into the New Republic Era.

>>211656623
I forgot she wrote, directed and starred in it

>>211654734
>Toyota were actually saviours sent from the future when they got the series cancelled
My knees are buckling on their own…

>>211662295
>If you actually read her quote, she's referring to actuadecarbonize. under Disney. The old EU is dogshit + decanonized.

Even if the old EU is garbage (the little know it's at least better than the shit Disney came out with), the quote in OP's image is unexcusable.
George Lucas didn't have any "source material" when he came up with the original trilogy. Even the prequels are mostly original.
Disney should actually be creative for once and come out with new content. I remember when EP7 came out and many people basically felt it like a remake of EP4 with tons of cameos. The only original crap they came out with were shallow gimmicks to sell merchandize, like Kylo's lightsaber or that ballshaped robot.

>>211655471
Don't forget they cancelled around a dozen games that were in development and exiled everything already made.

>>211656010
it's not at all economically efficient to spite millions of fans and ostracize them for the sake of raising the bottom line. studios have to give first if they want to take. disney is practically flushing billions down the toilet these days