Why were you guys kind of Dicks about this Fucking fantasy series? We barely get anything like this ever, and you Assholes couldn't even give it a Fucking chance! And I was feeling Fucking good about this show too! It was really starting to come into it's own.

>>211666830 (OP)
Im kinda bored of the outrage defending a series you guys didn't like. Ngl just boring

>>211666830 (OP)
incel outrage because "woke"

>>211666830 (OP)
It got 3 seasons and never grew its audience. Not to mention its not even an awards contender. Seems like it makes sense for Amazon to move on

>>211666830 (OP)
It simply was not the Wheel of Time and I have no obligation to support something that actively tries to destroy the thing I love.

>IT'S YOUR FAULT THE SHOW SUCKED
Fuck off loser

>>211666830 (OP)
Not a Fucking fantasy series. I can't Fucking believe they hurt my Fucking fantasy series.

>tfw no thicc forsaken gf

>>211674093
how niggery and ugly is the tv equivalent of this character

>>211674255
Nonexistent. The show got canceled before she showed up.

>>211674390
sounds like a good thing and a bad thing, but mostly a good thing

>>211666830 (OP)
get fucked shill, it's cancelled

>>211666830 (OP)
I have won again, Lews Therin.

>>211666830 (OP)
I watched it because I miss old fantasy shows that used to play on shit like the Sy-Fy channel and this show scratched a certain itch. The difference is, those old shows had shit budgets but camp, charm and soul. Wheel of Time was made by the same people ruining fantasy by changing the focus of the show and it was tiring. Like George RR Martin said about producers wanting to make a story "their own". So yeah it was building to big moments from the books but judging how they had already changed some of those big moments it was turning into a slog. It had a huge budget but no camp, charm or soul.

>>211674255
about as bad as you think

>>211674737
>it was building to big moments from the books
Literally the only thing that was even remotely like it was in the books was the Rhuidean flashback and they somehow managed to insert homosexuals even there. I don't see how anyone can think it was "building to big moments" when it had already spent three seasons completely deflating and subverting the big moments that were already there, so why would that suddenly change now?

>>211674908
That's Egw*ne, may she be collared forever, not Graendal.

>>211674979
shut up shill, that's a DEI implant into Mr Jordans work

>>211674255
>>211674390
So glad they didn't get a chance to ruin Graendal. Every woman on this show is dog ugly

>>211675036
That's true too. But the discussion was about Graendal.

>>211674936
I mean that is pretty much my point, it had ruined most things so far.

>>211674908

>>211674737
>this hilarious picture that's better than any of the posed group selfies I attempted
>look inside
>a posed group selfie

>>211675036
please work on your reading comprehension. You will be less angry

>>211674663
If you told me back in 2017 when the show was first announced that almost a decade later Winter Dragon would still be the most accurate adaptation of WoT I would've put a little something in the wine because you were clearly insane but here we are.

>>211674737
>George RR Martin said about producers wanting to make a story "their own"
grrm is rarely right but he is spot on with this. Everyone wants to make their own stories and they use an existing IP to do it. They don't give a fuck about the author, source material, the fans, or anything, purely selfish desires and anyone that supports current era writers get what they deserve

>>211666830 (OP)
its absolute shit. it completely disregards the novels in favor of FAGGOT COMMUNIST JEW HOLLYWOOD SHITE
read Eye of the World and you'll see how we were cheated

>>211675267
not angry, happy your show got canned

why did the first mat leave?

>>211674908
(puke)

>You see, I started early. When I was no more than three or four my mother gave a garden party, and a friend of hers picked me up. It didn't feel like being picked up by mother or by a baby sitter. I remember feeling her soft summer dress slide against her skin. I recall the soft, floral scent of her perfume. My mother might have worn that perfume, but this woman did not smell as all like mother.
>She bent to set me down, and her grip on me slipped. Now her dress was one of those summer dresses that buttoned up the front, and as her grip slipped, I slid down, burying my face in her cleavage. My head seemed about to burst with the scent of her. Then she had me upright again, and she laughed, and ruffled my hair, and called me precocious. Which I recall because I ran off to learn what it meant.
Reminder that Jordan had his own Olver and Riselle moment and it made him a permanent based titty lover.

Reminder
>born one day after Lews Therin
>2nd in the One Power to Lews Therin
>2nd behind Lews Therin in scholarship
>2nd behind Lews Therin in high office
>2nd in attractiveness to Lews Therin
>2nd in generalship to Lews Therin
>2nd in swordsmanship to Lews Therin
>2nd in luck to Lews Therin
>slightly shorter than Lews Therin
>lost Ilyena to Lews Therin
>gained the prophecy of Dragonslayer, still didn't manage to kill reborn Lews Therin
>defeated on the battlefield by reborn Lews Therin's second in command
>defeated in swordsmanship to reborn Lews Therin's teacher
Demandred led a life of cuckoldry and failure.

>>211666830 (OP)
>Dicks
>Fucking
>Assholes
>Fucking
>Fucking
haha what's this then

>>211666830 (OP)
Kids may enjoy it, but it's not for adults. Are you a kid? Of so, then your enjoyment of it is fine, I'll allow it. But, when the clock hits 12 to signify your 18th birthday, all the cells in your body magically transform and you are no longer allowed to like it, but you are allowed to consent to sex now (unrelated).

>>211666830 (OP)
I saw the casting and immediately dropped it.

This isn't a setting where you can ignore ethnicity. The ethnicity of various characters is actually something of an important plot point. You fuck it up when you make everyone every ethnicity. The people of the Two Rivers are all one ethnicity except for Rand and that's a plot point. The irony is that the people of the Two Rivers are supposed to have a fairly dark, kind of Mediterranean complexion, so they wouldn't have even been northern European white. They just aren't a perfect rainbow of every fucking ethnicity on earth. What really takes the cake is that they didn't even need to do this shit. The Wheel of Time would have had a pretty diverse cast if they had remained faithful to the novels because the main characters travel everywhere.

>>211677077
My favorite was how they still tried the "you look like an Aiel" with Rand but changed it to mean only the hair color and even then couldn't help themselves and made the Aiel every shade of the rainbow with the majority being some shade of brown or black anyway.

>>211666830 (OP)
This is Lanfear.

In the book, she's supposed to not look a single day out of her early 20s. What's more, she is supposed to be the world's most beautiful woman by no small margin. She is described as being the very platonic ideal of female beauty, like every other woman is warped and imperfect imitation of her, and men are described as seeing other beautiful women and misshapen and clumsy immediately after meeting her.

Which might be difficult to replicate when you're dealing with real human beings, but, you know, they could have gone with someone younger and more conventionally attractive to at least try to sell it.

>>211676326
>>211676326
>why did the first mat leave?
"Extreme personal reasons" and he did mention family so people have speculated someone in his family was dying.

Some website did claim it was because of covid and him holding anti-vax views but he threatened legal action and they withdrew their claims.

Someone else claimed sexual harassment but again, there was nothing to it.

>>211677263
I have no idea why they're obsessed with this shit? Are they just terrified that someone might call them racist?

>>211677500
That, too, but it's more just downstream from the fundamental belief they hold that requiring a certain ethnicity when casting is evil (and don't even let me get started when the required ethnicity would be white) so nobody is allowed to even bring it up. These are religious people, they just replaced traditional religions with secular wokeness and this is the equivalent of someone suggesting that to do something the correct way, you need to blaspheme a little.

>>211677500
>>211677571
Basically, "colorblind casting", as long as this means replacing white characters with non-white actors, has become an unquestionable virtue in the circles who are making these decisions and this is what happens.

>>211677608
Doesn't seem to colorblind to me. They mostly filmed in the Czech Republic. Doing the typical thing of just doing a casting call for extras among the locals would have given them mostly white extras.

>>211677735
Colorblind casting as a term refers to the idea that you can't demand a certain ethnicity for a character and must be open to anyone. Because of this, nobody is allowed to say that these characters NEED to be a certain ethnicity, especially because the ethnicity would have to be white to be accurate.

>>211677777
And what I'm getting at is that they would have needed to demand certain ethnicities to get this perfect rainbow of all known human ethnicities you see in the extras when they were filming in the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Croatia, etc.

So it's not actually colorblind. It's more like a deliberate refusal to have scenes where everyone is white.

>>211677853
>So it's not actually colorblind. It's more like a deliberate refusal to have scenes where everyone is white.
I agree, my bad if I wasn't clear. I'm not defending the term, because frankly it's complete bullshit and only ever works in one direction. Just saying that the general attitude in hollywood prevents anyone from even suggesting that actor ethnicity is important when that ethnicity would be white.

>>211677500
People like to think of themselves as good. They become entrapped in a singular world view they think will improve things. They engineer policy to achieve this aim.

All these casting companies think that x% of people in roles will somehow engineer social change. They open casting up to practically everyone (although it is still geared by politics and agents). They genuinely think it is transformative to give someone a role.

In a lot of fantasy which have worlds governed by geography like Earth it is silly to have every location a complete mix of people but they don't seem to care about the details of things at all. For them these are just jobs.

>>211677265
To be fair, she was still the hottest in the entire amazon series. By a wide margin.

>>211666830 (OP)
Sometimes, dead is better.

>>211677888
I see what you're getting at.

>>211677909
And this is just straight up a superstition. It reminds me of ancient societies and tribes around the time of the invention of writing who thought that writing was literally magic and would avoid writing anything negative down for fear of manifesting the darkness into the temporal world. Like, all the darker and raunchier parts of Egyptian mythology had to be recorded by foreigners from the oral tradition of priests, because they refused to record those parts in writing out of a belief that this would cause some kind of curse or misfortune.

>>211678149
>And this is just straight up a superstition.
I have worked at many different companies where some executive gets it in their head that they are going to completely change the system of the business. All the talk of efficiency and cost saving goes out the window because they spend all this money radically changing things only to find it doesn't work because they don't understand human psychology, don't understand the business they own and never bothered to ask the people they expect to implement the change what they thought (and they would have quickly explained it was shit).

With all the fancy plans and wills in the world to manifest something into reality, they forget to ask people the most important question: is this change even necessary?

These people who want to engineer social change think they can do so via propaganda in the media but then their ideology forces them to make their propaganda so ugly and bad that it completely fails in their stated aim at changing anything. They sometimes make their propaganda so bad that it sometimes has the completely opposite effect to what they intended and makes people root against them.

Before you change something you have to ask if it is even necessary? Because changing a very popular book with many fans that speaks to many people for their reasons made a super expensive failure of the show. But they won't learn the lesson.

"When she walked into the London casting room of The Wheel of Time, Madeleine Madden scanned the faces – a sea of white – and thought, “Yep, standard.”

To announce her presence, she politely inquired, “The Wheel of Time?”

“They were like, ‘Oh no – upstairs’,” she recalls. “Then I walked into the actual room and it was such a diverse room of people, I just felt so relieved. For so much of my life I was the odd one out. Here they’d done a worldwide search and brought in people from all over who they felt they were the best for the job.”

>>211678483
It's all so tiresome.

>>211678483
Bigotry is an attitude anyone could have. If I changed the races in that story a leftist would say it was white supremacy and racist. But when a brown person gets mad at a room of whites it is a good thing...

>>211678483
"When she walked into the London casting room of The Wheel of Time, Madeleine Madden scanned the faces – a sea of black – and thought, “Yep, standard.”

To announce her presence, she politely inquired, “The Wheel of Time?”

“They were like, ‘Oh no – upstairs’,” she recalls. “Then I walked into the actual room and it was such a caucasian room of people, I just felt so relieved. For so much of my life I was the odd one out. Here they’d done a worldwide search and brought in people from all over who they felt they were the best for the job.”


i changed TWO WORDS. and yet THIS would get you nearly executed for saying publicly

Read a book you fucking illiterate faggot. I wish nothing but the worst for you. I hope you have a terrible life.

>>211678483
>“Yep, standard.”
also, what the FUCK does this even mean? shows have been pozzed the fuck out for over a decade now. there is not a casting room on this earth that isn't at least 40% nigger and 20% other assorted muds. what is her REAL last name? gold? greenblat? leibowitz?

someone post the webm of the pregnant woman throwing some guy by his cape

>>211678483
>For so much of my life I was the odd one out
bitch you have the ugliest fucking mole right on the front of your face. You will always be odd one out

>>211666830 (OP)
Kill yourself shill. Your kind are worse than kikes, you fucking bootlickers.

>>211678601
its a made up story to virtue signal

>>211678627

>>211678681
most likely, but if you're going to lie you'd think you'd have the good sense not to make it so blatant. fuck i hate niggers and shitskins and kikes so much it's unbelievable

>>211678384
The thing is, it's not even proper propaganda most of the time.

Like, I've seen something of discourse around a series of Christian propaganda films like God's Not Dead which, despite whatever other flaws they might have, actually function as propaganda. The Christians are all young, attractive and happy, the atheists are old and miserable. The movie makes its case for why God exists and Christianity is right and atheism is wrong and the Christians win in the end while the crotchety old atheist professor meets a sorry fate.

If Christian propaganda was written like a lot of this modern propaganda, it would be written as a standard movie, but all the characters are kind of "visibly Christian," everything in the movie is meticulously tailored to fit Christian morality and beliefs (but no one ever brings attention to this in any kind of obvious way and its easy to completely miss if you're not already clued in) and every now and then a character start quoting the Bible out of nowhere in the middle of a conversation. Like someone says "You can't do that, it's too dangerous!" and the other character looks directly into the camera and says "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever."

>>211678704
you guys were watching this?

>>211678730
I pirated it to make fun of it and to use the threads to discuss the books instead like everyone else here.

>>211678585
That's good advice. Just read the actual Wheel of Time book series instead.

>>211678908
>I pirated it to make fun of it
the cowardly cry of all midwit shit eaters that secretly love the garbage they consume mindlessly. hatewatching is for fucking women you pathetic worm. even pirating this trash helps them last that little bit longer as they core out and niggerfy every last bit of this literary fiction you supposedly enjoy

>>211678601
>>211678709
These people cannot function unless they are eternally oppressed. Their ideology always divides people into the oppressed and the oppressors so their revolution must be eternal or else they have to acknowledge that they have become the oppressors themselves, which is why they live in this weird double reality where they can simultaneously ruin your life if you don't toe the line but also misogyny and patriarchy are stronger than ever and whites control everything.

>>211678961
You are not intelligent.

>>211666830 (OP)
who is the broccoli hair

>>211679033
you are unbelievably asshurt that i called you out. baselessly attacking my intelligence won't distract anybody from the fact you just admitted you're that pig at the trough chowing down like the rest of the swine, but OH, WAIT, you actually have GOOD TASTE and you're just eating the slop because it's hilarious and ironic. riiiighhht

Roasted

>>211678961
How the fuck does watching the show help the creators if you didn't give them any fucking money?

>>211679524
Moral support

>>211666830 (OP)
you are gay

>>211679528
How the fuck is it moral support and why would such a thing even matter?

>>211679524
you really don't think they include piracy stats into their engagement metric? we are literally in a thread with pirates as we speak giving this dogshit free publicity - pirates who apparently are trained pigs that show up to the bell as soon as possible. no wonder you post tranime you fucking retarded dipshit: you're a fucking retarded dipshit

>>211679556
It's just like sending good vibes through the aether man

>>211679604
>you really don't think they include piracy stats into their engagement metric?
What? How?

I liked it

I didn't read the books

It's a neat little fantasy series

I'm fairly convinced that a prestige tv format was not the way to adapt Wot anyways. If the show had taken inspiration from the 90s (Xena/Hercules) and gone with lower budget 20ish episode format, it could have worked. WoT can be a slow burn sometimes, and 8 episodes makes the thing feel stifled and rushed at the sdame time.

The entire first season was middling at best,

Even if you don’t hate it for how many changes they made from the books (odd to expect an inbuilt audience from book fans while making it so different from the books), most people are not going to keep watching into season 2 after not enjoying season 1. Let alone trying to attract new viewers each subsequent season

“Just watch all of season 1, trust me it gets good when the show runners get some experience by season 3” is not persuasive to non viewers

>>211679765
>prestige
maybe in budget, whole thing looks amateur

>>211679833
I have never understood decide to make a TV or film adaptation of something, and then not be faithful to the source material. I've seen some people claim that the audience already knows the old story and wants a new story, but I can't think of even a single example of this being true. It feels more like when they acquire a license to some established IP that they've bought that IP's fanbase and have them automatically, so there's no need to appease them because they'll eat anything you shit out because of brand loyalty, and instead you need to focus on making changes that cater to some supposed "wider audience." And, of course, all these changes just make everything worse and appeal to no one.

>>211679646
>little

>>211680129
I fucking hate the casting

>>211680227
>perrins wolf name is young bull
>cast a black guy
bravo rafe you fucking faggot

I'm never watching brown people fantasy.
I just won't.

>>211680129

>>211666830 (OP)
>Chuds winning by doing nothing.
Everytime you see a faggot flag, it means the board will be shit.

>>211666830 (OP)
its the other way around the industry can barely fund stuff like this so why is shooting themselves in the foot with muh diversity bullshit a accetable risk for them? is the propaganda really that important to them to risk everything?

season 3 was finally getting good, too little too late

>babby's first haremcuckshit
at least read xianxia

>>211676492
Jordan should have kept Demandred = Taim.

>>211666830 (OP)
I just finished Season 3 and there's a fucking tranny weave bender at the tower

>>211666830 (OP)
I didn't mind most of the show, bit only because I hadn't read the books. I'm trying to listen to them, but I keep falling asleep and starting over

>Completely butchered the books.
>Almost no book dialogue used.
>Didn't use the best magic system in fantasy.
>Didn't show one of the best battle scenes in fantasy
>Stole every big Rand's moments in the books and make him a secondary character

Chuds won.

The only bad thing about the show getting canceled is that it will inevitably end up in every "Fantasy Shows That Were Canceled Too Soon" list from hack bloggers

>>211678704
>kills without veil up
>gives birth immediately afterwards

Not sure which is worse

Jordan wanted Egwene to be played by an actress who looks like Audrey.

>>211679646

ScarJo is perfect Graendal but she could play Lanfear too.

>>211680666
Seriously, is it not too much to get your face warts seen to?

>>211677265
um sorry sweaty but women hit their prime in their 40s.

>>211677608
"colorblind casting" isn't a real thing that they actually do. it's a fake thing they say that they do to justify the anti-white diversity quota casting that they actually do.

>>211678483
>the London casting room of The Wheel of Time, Madeleine Madden scanned the faces – a sea of white
Can I watch that show instead?

>>211680453
taimandretards being proven correct was the high point of wheel of time-related items in this timeline

>>211680864
their amazon prime™

My favorite thing about this series is how they tricked everyone AGAIN into complaining about diversity casting to shield the other glaring flaws which will allow those responsible to continue having careers since the loudest criticism is obvious bigotry. Works every time!

>>211683802
If I was going to do a real adaptation that is the one thing I would change, actually I'd find some way to cut out the bowl of winds too, fuck that entire story line

>>211682213
>London
>sea of white
(x) Doubt

>>211666830 (OP)
I watched 3 episodes of this shit (2 extra because it was a train wreck) I gave it more of a chance than it deserved because I was such a fan of the books. It was absolute trash and I’ll be shocked if I get a good adaptation in the future

>>211666830 (OP)
It was full of niggers and feminism.

>>211669410
The entire purpose of the series was to get a studio built in Prague and launder money for wigs

>>211683975
>all-women plot concerning weather
literally small talk the plotline, the ultimate filler, almost impressive and no book or series has ever surpassed it

>>211680453
>>211683802
keep taim as demandred would have been much better, even if it made jordan butthurt. Demandred coming in with an army of shara felt like an asspull

>>211666830 (OP)
>We barely get anything like this ever
bad tv? there's quite a lot of that, actually.

>>211684296
I'm growing fonder of Jordan retconning things and goofily selling the rights to scam artists and Sanderson ruining the series and Rafe doing an adaption to promote his boyfriend and politics and Harriet not caring. It's a nice alternative to Tolkien

>>211684408
>It's a nice alternative to Tolkien
the fuck you mean, the exact same thing is happening to tolkien

>>211684474
Tolkien also goofily sold rights to a scam artist. But Chris held the fort as long as he lived. He actually cared about carefully curating and developing his father's unfinished material. He was circumspect. No one has ever existed like that on Jordan's side. Harriet doesn't give a fuck, Sanderson didn't try, and Team Jordan didn't care either. Even though Chris is gone, the Tolkiens still do exercise some control and restraint over RoP, which is far more than can be said for Amazon's WoT which was just a free-for-all where every aspect was changed and the only check was Sarah Nakamura, who even when she wasn't lying was ignored.

"You all are very kind. I’ve dealt with them before and there’s truly only one way to respond — turn their favorite characters gay. Cause I can. This gentleman reaps what he sows — Perrin and Lan now gay for each other. Next homophobic death threat? Egwene and Daise Congar"
https://x.com/rafejudkins/status/1144966494087987200

>>211683963
The diversity casting isn't some tangential issue with the Wheel of Time. Ethnicity has a direct role in the plot.

This is what you Fucking assholes took from us!

All you had to do was let us get to Dumai's Wells and this Shit would have blasted off for all the normies. You couldn't even Fucking just play the series in the background and not even have to watch it just to help get its views up and support fantasy shows which we barely Fucking get any of!

WoT was always derivative, inoffensively-written airport novel slop from the very beginning.

It was obvious that it was planned as a trilogy but the author just stretched it out as long as he could because it sold.

>>211686407
troon shill

>>211684474
We got a masterpiece adaptation with an all-White cast thanks to Jackson by non-woke old Hollywood. Jordan wasn't so lucky to have his life's work adapted by woke Hollywood.

>>211686650
>the joke
>
>
>
>
>Your head

>>211686886
>eviscerating the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25
>commercialization reducing the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing
>no blacks, so it's a masterpiece!

>>211686407
Aren't the Aes Sedai supposed to have some kind of uniform?

>>211687019
ageless faces and a great serpent ring

>>211687019
and a shawl

>>211678601
Yeah it's ridiculous. Every Amazon show has had a diversity quota for a long time now. This hasn't been "Standard" for years.

Can someone explain from the book perspective what was the darkness in Mat? Did it all come from him having a shit family and having to steal from fellow villagers and having compulsive problems? Like his dad was a really bad guy?

>>211678959
What's the best book in the series or best like run of 3-5 books?

>>211687281
There wasn’t any, they completely changed his character for the show

>>211687281
In the books, Mat was a thief. He stole a pie from a window. That pie took time and effort and resources to create and he just took it... Mat also had, literally, The Dark One's own luck. He was pure evil to the core. His chosen wife? As dark as they come, from a people who trade in human chattel. When judged by outsiders from another world, they found him worthy of death.

>>211680518
What about how proud Sarah was that they made up that "bawdy song"?

>>211686240
>Y-you shouldn't celebrate these shows being cancelled, chuds! People lose their jobs!

Is Moraine the main character too in the books or is it more ensemble like GoT?

>>211669009
Why go against the target audience, then? Woke stupidity?!

>>211687664
was there ever an explanation for why she and rafe stopped posting to twitter for half a year then came back at the same time

>>211687019
Yeah they're supposed to be uniformly not niggers.

>>211666830 (OP)
Because they took a YA fantasy series for men and turned it into yet another old woman and girl boss female empowerment fest

Like another poster said, everyone is supposed to be 20 years old and super attractive, not 50 year old gross melting face grandmas.

This: >>211687770 is an amazon shill attempting to disrupt discussion.

>>211686926
fook off and join your tranny shills
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>>211666830 (OP)
Isn't this the show that starts off
>This is a worl fominatef by WOMEN! (Some exposition)
>cut scene to a bunch of women on horseback chasing down two men
I tuned out immediately after that, 3 minutes into it

>>211688095
Well yeah because the men fucked up the world. They were too arrogant and thought they could defeat the dark one.

>>211666830 (OP)
It got three seasons. That's plenty shit for you.

Ok I did see the first season, and his acting was wooden and terrible even for being Perrin. I'm struggling to even imagine what scene this would even be?

>>211688192
it was a bitch who helped release the fucker in the 1st place!

So the writer of S1E2 just absolutely NAILED Mat's character is what Rafe is saying here? Perfectly captured the darkness within him.

This nigga was at least zesty.
>The Whitecloaks Are a Misogynistic, Existential Threat in 'The Wheel of Time.

>>211666830 (OP)
Wow that looks so fantasy OP, totally fantasy

>>211687664
women were a mistake

>>211678959
Is this like Dune, where its good to stop before it degrades a bit, or do you just read all of them?

>>211687014
Anyone expecting the books to be adapted 1:1 by Hollywood at any point of time was onto a dead end. Its a masterpiece for what it is, if it was done too much later, it would be tainted by the idealogical poison of modern hollywood. Cut some slack.

>>211688456
>in uncancelledverse season 6 Rafe makes Tuon the Daughter of the Nine Troons
>now Mat literally has darkness within him

>>211689235
Children of Dune has excellent stopping power like a bullet to head.

What's going on in this scene? Is that the Lady Elayne?

>>211689424
fookin shill with your 1:1 excuses
what was maskim the nepo-warder?
nothing but a made up storyline to get work for rafe's fuck buddy

>>211689928
What the fuck are you even talking about here?

>>211687700
Rand and his friends from the Two Rivers are the main characters in the books. Moraine is a side character at best.

>>211689897
Was Elayne super sex obsessed in the books too? Every time I see her mentioned in the show it's like she is always doing slutty things, Fucking other chicks, talking about sex, talking about her tits.

>>211689424
>shieldboarding
>gimli as comic relief
>pipeweed as marijuana
No, sorry, I'm on Chris' side here. The fact that what came later was monumentally worse doesn't factor into it. Jackson's LotR is a perversion

>>211689897
Jesus wept.

>>211690163
No not at all. She falls in love with Rand and is loyal to him, the end. Very unfeminist. Given the rather conservative nature of the society and characters, its a while before she fucks him (and gets knocked up), even though they aren't married. But no lesbo bullshit, not even implied.

>>211689897
Uhh...what exactly is the purpose of this scene?

>>211690163
super bath obsessed

>>211690392
Would she also heat up the water with her Aes Sedai powers like Moraine?

>>211690078
you, justifying rafe's excuses for changing the story and letting him off in creating a made up character to get his boyfriend screen time

>>211690382
Sarah Nakamura really liked the scene where Siuan had to sing a song post-stilling and wanted it to be included in the series even if it wasn't the same character or the same song or the same context. She's the lore goddess!

>>211690260
Fine. Sure. Nothing better will ever be made, not for a long time. Live with it.

>>211687281
The darkest thing about Mat in the books is that he's a bit greedy and, for instance, follows a strange man who showed up from out of nowhere in a cursed city because of promises of treasure and then takes a knife out of the definitely-not-cursed pile of treasure that the strange man leads him to.

>>211690444
even if she has the capability, why should royalty have to heat bathwater?

>>211690563
You can say the same about Amazon's Wheel of Time if you just want to discard standards in lieu of propping up what's best that exists for certain properties. And also, Bakshi's LotR is better

>>211689235
I thought the actual ending was neat but there are definitely books or whole storylines I would have skipped getting there. It wasn't boring though and the world is really interesting.

>>211690698
>I LOVED Sandershit!
>definitely skip Jordan's books though!
kys

>>211688324
They were crying tears for what good people they would probably be if they cast a black guy as Perrin.

>>211674908
Holy shit, she's abo? That's like 45,000 years between european fantasy.

>>211688324
>Cast a black actor for white character
>Change story to make him married, and then to murder his white wife
What did Rafe mean by this?

>>211674936
What about Rand's Fucking fight against Lord Turak!?

>>211666830 (OP)
Do not fret, OP. The Amazon WoT series is just returning home to the trash from whence it came and where it truly belongs.

>>211689897
It's almost impressive how ugly everything is.

Anyone else here absolutely devastated and crushed about the cancellation of the Wheel of Time Amazon series?

It appears they didn't listen to the fans, going so far as ignoring the pleas of the pre-eminent WoT lore expert, Sarah Nakamura (who helped make sure the series stayed true to what Robert Jordan envisioned).

I had looked forward to this since I heard about it, and I actually subscribed to Amazon Prime just to enjoy this series when it dropped! I first read the WoT books starting in high school in the mid 90's, through the first 7 books, and used to be involved in usenet discussions. I came back to the series 5 years ago where I reread them and the read the final 7. As a longtime reader, I have also listened to the entire audio book series once this year, and I just finished "Crown of Swords" now on the second listen through the series.

As a certified notary, I'm legally required to be a "Nice guy" and not say mean or nasty things to people, so I won't criticize you if you did not like this series. However, I didn't care one iota about the race of the Emond's Field 5 or any other characters, or if they wanted to hide the identity of the Dragon Reborn, as long as the acting was good and the story plot didn't stray too far from the climax of each of the books - which they did a wonderful job of.

Friday, I am going to prepare some Sackcloth, and retrieve Ashes from the fireplace, and outfit myself and my wife with such. We will wail and mourn the Cancellation until the dawn breaks, at which time we will cook a nice breakfast and settle in to a life where this Grand Series no longer exists.

What are everyone else's plans for the aftermath?

>>211691282
kys troon

>>211679765
It should've been animated.

>>211691282
why would you even spend the time writing this shit? for what reason?

>>211691282
I will never watch any fantasy based on medieval Europe - no matter how broadly - that has niggers in it.

>>211691609
Randland is Renaissance Europe

>>211691282
>What are everyone else's plans for the aftermath?
rest my sides until Rangs of Power gets killed as well

>>211691665
Whatever. No nigger rule still applies.

>>211691282
>as long as the acting was good and the story plot didn't stray too far from the climax of each of the books
Then you should have fucking hated this series.

>>211691609
It can be done. If the black guy belongs to a far away people and is only here to help the heroes with his unique fighting skills like Nazir in Robin Hood.

>>211666830 (OP)
I have 0 interest in any fantasy adaptation that aims for the modern audience. It pretty much always ruins the fantasy when they do it.

>>211691729
Your rule couldn't be applied to an accurate adaptation of WoT.

>>211691778
In the past I would just about accept that.
Now I'm too Fatigued.

>>211691609
I tried the Witcher, holy kek I really tried but in episode 4 or so a couple of multiethnic palace guards show up like they solved all these issues millennia ago.

>>211691778
I'm not accusing you of being an Amazon shill, but the documents posted in a previous thread (which seemed realistic to me) said that Amazon shills were tasked with posting things like this

>>211691943
My Fatigue is so great now I would want the Sea Folk and Seanchan black characters race-swapped to white just to make up for the wall-to-wall noggery every other fantsy show has consisted of for the last 15 years.

>>211692029
>I just want to corrupt the source material
Isn't it the case that you've let them win?

>>211687849
This is the saddest cope imaginable. I hope that someone is at least grifting these retards out of as much money as possible before they finally realize that nobody liked this shitshow.

>>211691778
their was a character in gemmels drenai saga, his name was far to long to say but he was called Pagan, since thats what everyone called him, he was black af, he was from a distant place where he ruled as king, he came to fulfill a prophecy, he was just this badass side character, and it made total sense that he was their. A full complete story of his quest in a foreign land, he decided on the name Pagan because thats what everyone kept calling him. There is this cool as fuck bit where he tells a story about how he was such a powerful king in his native land he ordered his warriors to put out a massive bonfire that was the burning bodies of another black nation, he says how they threw themselves on the fire until it was put out, a thousand of his men died on the pyre made of ten thousand of his foes.
Then he laughs and shrugs about how gullible the MC is.
Later you get a POV from him trying to sleep while remembering the screaming of the thousand men who burnt themselves alive for him ring in his ears. Its cool as all fuck. He was a badass character but he wasn't from Drenai he was from a far off distant land and it made sense for him to be in the story, the fact that he was black was a plot point in the story. These days it would be racist, this really fucking badass story would be racist. Current day media is fucking retarded

>>211692225
The core fanbase (those active on Twitter and Reddit who have not been banned, and those who attend JordanCons, and those who post on Dragonmount and have not been banned) really loved this series

>>211687019
No. The only thing that's even tangentially like a uniform is the shawl in their ajah color they get when they become full sisters but it's mostly worn only for official business and they have no dress code otherwise. The show instead made them all wear color coded clothes like power rangers 24/7.

>>211692256
My Fatigue is such that I do not care. That character should either be white or should not exist.

>>211692289
I am the core fanbase of the actual series, which is the books, their is no "core fanbase" for the show just a bunch of retards latching onto the next thing they are trying to ruin.

What's wrong with homogenity in your diverse kinos?
Star Trek did it right 40 years ago and is getting shit for it now. I thought it was brilliant.

>>211687664
>modern tv is written by drunk college girls
grim

>>211692360
The fandom who were so motivated by the books to create "Darkfriend Socials" and organize in person in various ways including cons all love the series

>>211692356
if they ever did the drenai saga properly you would, that guy pagan dies btw saving some kids to try and atone for being a horrible pagan warlord, thats the difference in that story he comes from fantasy africa a world of savage tribes and terrible shit like burning and enslaving entire tribes. He's trying to do better. You see the difference?

>>211692478
I do not Wish to see Them At All.

>>211692423
>darkfriend socials
by the light thats grim, so they not only are retarded they align with the dark one? ok

>>211692508
don't let the faggots win anon, thats what you are doing right now, they want racial hatred they want you to feel how you do thats the entire point.

>>211687281
5/10 tone it down a little. You're hitting all the points that would piss off a book reader too perfectly and that gives it away.

>>211687333
>best like run of 3-5 books
4-6 definitely.

>>211692360

>>211692423
>>211692289
I have been convinced by nuTrek and shit like this that there are people who are fanatically devoted to fucking brands. There's not anything in particular in the property itself they like, they literally just like the brand name. Slap the "Star Wars" or "Star Trek" or "Lord of the Rings" or whatever else brand on a steaming pile of shit, and these people will lap it the fuck up and insist that they're the real fans for having done so. Microsoft could just rename their latest Cawadooty shovelware "Lord of the Rings: Special Ops" and there's a small contingency of people who will immediately buy it and defend it to the last purely because it had the brand slapped on it.

>>211692003
Do you think they are really wasting their time on 4chan instead of reddit and facebook and other normie networks? I don't remember a single shitty movie or tvshow that was saved by external shills on 4chan. When 4chan says it's shit, it's shit.

>>211692289
>ban and harass and censor everyone who doesn't uncritically praise every single thing Rafe does
>wow everyone who's left really loves the show!

>>211692675
lol reddit img reddit reply, hilarious

>>211688324
There was no scene. Rafe is a pathological liar.

>>211687333
12-14

>>211690163
She was horny for Rand and curious about learning curse words because she was a sheltered princess. That's about it. The show turned her into an alcoholic lesbian who knows raunchy bar songs by heart.

>>211692779
>everyone who's left really loves the show!
makes you think

>>211690485
Read the reply chain you illiterate retad. That anon was talking about lotr.

>>211666830 (OP)
I also hate the "books".

>>211692256
I think Conan would work well with a diverse cast. There is so much room for cool stories in prehistoric times.

>>211693077
sure a lot of fantasy stories would in fact WoT has a ton of diversity its just introduced later and isn't in a small village that has been isolated for over a thousand years.

>>211689897
>they're in a foreign country on the other side of the continent
>she's in a disguise
>some random low class commoer / borderline criminal recognizes her as the princess of Andor
The writers were so fucking retarded. None of them understand the first thing about how a setting like this would realistically work, they write this shit like everyone had twitter and Elayne was a famous influencer or some shit.

>>211693201
>Q: How did you assemble the writing team for this show? What qualities about these writers let you know that they were the perfect fit?
>A: Tried to find a group of diverse thinkers for it — people who’ve read all the books, people who read some of the books but dropped out eventually, people who loved fantasy but not Wot, people who don’t even know fantasy at all.

>>211693284
>people who don’t even know fantasy at all.
That is pretty grim. Why? That is literally the least qualified person to write this series!

>>211693284
the contrarian 4chan approach to writing a good show

Rafe with some thoughts
>With Game of Thrones, the first book is a perfect television season, and then it becomes much more disparate the deeper you go into the books. Whereas Wheel of Time starts out in a way that's hard to make a clean adaptation for TV, but then as you get into the later books, it really is built along a clear, clean TV structure of an ensemble story. I don't even think Rand has the most POV chapters in the books overall.
>I don't even think Rand has the most POV chapters in the books overall.

>>211693450
>but dropped out eventually
Makes sense to fix the flaws in the books that made people drop it
>people who loved fantasy but not Wot, people who don’t even know fantasy at all.
find the flaws that make the books unliked by fantasy fans and change them so that people who don't like fantasy will like WoT all of a sudden.

it's safe to say that this crazy idea doesn't work

>>211693284
That's the thing about a lot of modern writers and producers. They think that when you buy a license to an IP, you've bought it's fanbase who will consume your slop no matter what, and so you need to focus on capturing the "wider audience."

Anyone else noticed the recent attempts at revisionism where people claim that Rafe totally wanted to do a faithful adaptation but some "Amazon execs" forced him to make all the bad decisions? It's pretty bizarre to see the spin being attempted in real time after following the production from the start and reading Sanderson's posts about having to tard wrangle Rafe who was absolutely the retard pushing for the dumbass changes at every turn.

>>211694189
Yeah he was touting how much creative control he had, and how RP was an executive producer and 100% had his back on all decisions. And now it's like "Oh the Amazon execs wouldn't let us do that..."

It's pure bullshit.

>>211694189
Brandon's claims are of the same variety. Sarah also claimed that she asserted things. The groundwork for scapegoating Jennifer Salke was astroturfed here a while ago too. The only thing preventing Rafe from claiming blamelessness is his boyfriend warder spotlight - no one else had so much skin in the game and it undermines his claims. If Salke massaged Rafe into including his boyfriend for purposes of deniability then he got got. Otherwise, he's just responsible.

>>211694338
>I wanted to destroy two rivers!
>so amazon said yes
>it was so amazing to have so much control I completely leveled the two river set!
Rafe is a fucking idiot on every single level.

>>211694398
Brandon just distanced himself as did Maria, and even Harriet the whore. Only sarah the fake tard kept taking the money and defending this shit

What happens to the REE/Cuendillar/iwot movie and video game now?

>>211666830 (OP)
Wokies can't stop losing

>>211666830 (OP)
Read the book as a youngster, I felt raped looking at this, so no I was not too harsh. Fuck them for raping me and my childhood memories.

>>211694508
Brandon, Maria, and Harriet can chug dicks. I can fix Sarah.

rafe competed in survivor so its pretty funny that you people think you can criticize him

>>211695172
lmao

>>211694794
sarah is a horrible sellout and one of the worst disingenuous people to exist, rafe is a non person a horrific parody of life

>>211695265
Sarah has been misguided. She just needs proper guidance.

>>211695557
she should go back to maria and beg forgiveness for her crimes then

>>211692423
Rafe lied that "70% of the people who have read the books think the show is as good or even better" and some youtube chud went to a con and polled people who know about WoT and the actual number for "as good" was something like 5% and the "even better" was basically nonexistent. Pretty much nobody who actually likes WoT likes the show.

>>211693529
>Whereas Wheel of Time starts out in a way that's hard to make a clean adaptation for TV
At this point I'm convinced that Rafe has literally never read a single WoT book. EOTW is literally the most straightforward to adapt for television out of them all. It has a relatively compact cast going from checkpoint to checkpoint with an obligatory split up before gathering everyone up for the big climax with regular cliffhangers that would work well as episode endings.

>>211694794
>I can fix Sarah
She would cheat on you and then try to justify it by claiming that it doesn't count because the guy wore a condom (he actually didn't but she'd lie) and then she'd call you toxic and possessive for getting mad.

>>211694524
If you think they are going to ever make anything they've promised you're woefully ignorant about the history of those guys.

This show made my dream of meeting randomly in the streets of Prague Rosamund Pike and woo her more realistic, more likely. I have day dreamt an entire life around that.

>>211696472
She's ugly and walled.

>>211666830 (OP)
1. Ugly mutt cast
2. Immersion-breaking multiculturalism in a medieval setting.
3. Feminism.
4. Boring.

I never read the books and this show confirmed that I'd made the right decision.

>>211696946
The books are completely different from the show.

>>211696472
We will double date, me with faithful repentant Sarah and you with your hag

>>211696472
Man I used to think she was hot as shit when I first saw her in that Bond movie a long time ago where she was the fencer.

>>211697253
she was hot still in the Cruise reacher movie, but she's just old now

>>211697023
I don't believe you.

>>211687664
>room full of "writers"
>unfamiliar with the word "bawdy"

>>211696112
There's a persistent myth among script writers that audiences actively want changes in adaptations because they're already familiar with the old story. It persists through it being wrong every time and not right even once as far as I'm aware.

>>211693529
>>I don't even think Rand has the most POV chapters in the books overall.
I'm sorry, but Fucking what?

>>211700213
Rafe is either a retard, a liar, or both. Take your pic.

>>211696946
Books have a couple kino AF moments that the show would have (and has) destroyed

>>211700562
>Books have a couple kino AF moments that the show would have (and has) destroyed
Egwene saves Rand at Dumai's Wells

>>211697253
Not just the looks, I liked the ice queen attitude.

>>211698820
as a script writer for sevarel AAA series, I can conferm this. their are'nt many people who know but its defiantly the case.

>>211698820
>>211700908
It's not a myth that they believe, it's just a convenient excuse for these narcissistic fucks to hijack established IPs.

>>211689235
It's one story with a definitive ending. It slows down and you may not like some plot lines, but it's all one thing, with a fairly strong ending.

>>211693201
Meanwhile some of the more fun bits are Elayne insisting she's the Daughter Heir in some podunk nowhere and getting scoffed at.

>>211694189
We do know some shit changes were forced on Rafe. But we also know he was an idiot who had no idea what he was doing, and was making plenty of shit decisions and changes on his own.

>>211701246
>We do know some shit changes were forced on Rafe.
I genuinely don't believe this at all. This narrative started popping up only after S3 aired and got stronger after the cancellation when people were starting to point fingers and look for someone to blame. Up till that point Rafe was fully and proudly on board with everything they did and never ONCE indicated that he was being forced to make changes by Amazon. Rafe is a compulsive narcissistic liar and it's easy as fuck to just blame some faceless "executives" not that he's fired. No way to prove him wrong and a convenient shield to protect him from the fallout.

>>211701419
>not that he's fired
*now

>>211701419
Stuff like Perrin's wife seemed to be studio mandate. I think Rafe wrote it, Sanderson argued against it, Rafe agreed with his change, but the studio stuck with Rafe's idea. I totally get that could be Rafe blowing smoke. But it puts some blame on the studio for that. I'm not saying he's not a retard. I'm saying there's retardation to go around. I also think Rafe was an idiot company man who wouldn't fight for any creative decision on the show. He was too eager to turn Egwene into the bestest ever and to slap his BF in fantasy outfits.

>>211677265
>Lanfear known for wearing white
>immediately dress her up in black in the show

My hot spicy deadass rizz take:

That scene where the Dark one destroys the death star and crumbles his prison entering reality was KINO

I forgave all the wokeshit with that scene.

>>211701547
Black, and blue, and silver. They seemed to avoid her personal aesthetic. She wore white like once... twice?

The costumes for this show are getting praised, but frankly they look like shit. The Aes Sedai had every weird random dress the costume designer ever felt like making, and fuck the setting or any culture in it. Even the Aiel stuff looks far too over designed and like it got churned out for cheap tv. And they were brown pants and a brown top, and it still looked like bullshit.

>>211701530
That's bullshit. Perrin already killed his wife in Rafe's early draft https://tvwriting.co.uk/tv_scripts/2021/Drama/Wheel_of_Time_1x01_-_Leavetaking.pdf
Brandon Sanderson also said
>Biggest thing he and I disagreed on was Perrin's wife. I realize that there is a good opportunity here for Perrin to be shown with rage issues, and to be afraid of the potential beast inside of him. I liked that idea, but didn't like it being a wife for multiple reasons. First off, it feels a lot like the disposable wife trope (AKA Woman in the Fridge.) Beyond that, I think the trauma of having killed your wife is so huge, the story this is telling can't realistically deal with it in a way that is responsible. Perrin killing his wife then going off on an adventure really bothers me, even still. I have faith that the writers won't treat it lightly, but still. That kind of trauma, dealt with realistically and responsibly, is really difficult for an adventure series to deal with.
>I suggested instead that he kill Master Luhhhan. As much as I hate to do Luhhan dirty like that, I think the idea Rafe and the team had here is a good one for accelerating Perrin's plot. Accidentally killing your master steps the trauma back a little, but gives the same motivations and hesitance. One thing I don't want this WoT adaptation to try to do is lean into being a tonal Game of Thrones replacement--IE, I don't want to lean into the "Grimdark" ideas. Killing Perrin's wife felt edgy just to be edgy.
After S01E01 aired. The narrative that Rafe didn't agree with Perrin killing his wife but was "forced to include it" is a later revisionism.

>Tarwin's Gap got stolen from Rand
>Perrin is now black and has a wife
>racial fucking diversity in Two Rivers
>when the book makes note of how Rand is the only one standing out for that region
>Matt's father is suddenly some horrible man
>Min sells out Matt to the Forsaken
>Moiraine had to conjure up a flame dragon while Rand fought Ishamael
God, I hate this gay retard so much. Not only did he force his gay retard boyfriend into the story, he absolutely massacred everything else as well.

>desecrate a literary work loved by millions of people
In other countries this is actually a crime.

>nobody replied to my hot take

>>211701822
That fits with what I said retard.

>>211701924
I'm disagreeing about Rafe agreeing that it was a bad thing and the idea that Amazon forced them to keep it anyway. Everything we've seen suggests that Rafe is a mediocre writer who invented that scene and insisted on keeping it himself despite Sanderson's protests and Sanderson just gave up because he's a non-confrontational pussy. The notion that Amazon was forcing Rafe's hand only started when it was clear the show was in trouble. I don't believe Rafe's lies for a second.

>>211677265
You need someone like young Grace Kelly to do justice to book Lanfear.

People should do Rafe remakes of Lord of the Rings or other stories

I remember reading some screenwriters dealings with producers in a blog some time ago. Some supernatural type show. The producers just had these random whims and changes, some of which would contradict the central point of the show or moment even though those were the things the producers claimed to like. And all it left me with is the feeling that the stereotypes about these producers are all true.

You have some nepotism or cronyism hire telling someone who is actually doing the work to make some random course correction for no reason even when it contradicts things just based on their whims. Like if it was for marketing reasons or backed up by stupid online metrics, I would hate it but understand it. No, these producers are so petty and weak they just change things for the sake of change.

>>211702058
You dumb dumb the truth makes Rafe look worse. He was too stupid to see a less cliche way out of this problem he invented, and too weak to argue for the better solution when he was presented with one.

>>211701849
>Egwene's father is skinny
>no thatched roofs in Two Rivers
>White Tower rejects women for being poor
>Dragon can be female
>Mat's family are scumbags
>Rand and Egwene banging
>have to do stupid dance to weave
>there are rumors of ta'veren in Two Rivers

All in the first ep. Rafe either never read the books or absolutely hated them.

When I saw Perrin was black and married I closed it and deleted the torrent.

>>211703383
>Stupid as fuck cliff diving into a thin raging stream with jagged rocks everywhere to become a woman.
>It's implied people die doing this regularly.
>lol Ajah color dies are involved wink
>Winespring has like no goddamn rooms
>Is shitty
>Whole town is a shitty hovel, nothing looks cared for.

>>211687281
In the books Mat is Odin. Perrin is Thor.

>>211687664
>>211698730
The shit thing is if any WoT character would end up doing this, it would be Elayne. But it was so badly done and looked like such shit I just cringed.

>>211701849
Might-as-well-be-a-Darkfriend Min was a fucking baffling decision. Modern TV writers NEED to make every bad guy sympathetic leads to good guys making deals with the evilest bastards without any consequence.

What is this gay book series even about?
>"TIME IS A FLAT CIRCLE, MURPH, EVERYTHING REPEATS"
Sounds really fucking stupid.
Furnish me.

>>211703986
>What is this gay book series even about?
Fucking 3 women at once.

>>211703187
>and too weak to argue for the better solution when he was presented with one.
I'm telling you that there was never any need for him to argue for anything because the claim that the studio was forcing him to make changes is bullshit. In Rafe's view there was never any problem.

>>211704180
I don't care about your headcanon.

>>211691336
>>211691582
>>211691731
do you anons know what copypasta is?

REPLY TO MY TAKE BITCH

I wanted an adaptation of The Wheel of Time books by Robert Jordan. I got a fan fic that bore no resemblance to the books at all.

So Rafe Judkins and everybody else who worked on this can all die of very painful ass cancer.

>>211703661
The cliff diving thing was some wool-headed nonsense

>In the books, Rand is fucking 3 different chick's and, ironically, none of them are Egwene despite his childhood marriage promise.
>Rand and Egwene sleep with each other in the first fucking episode of the TV show

>>211704920
People who are claiming Rafe was forced to kill Perrin's imaginary wife by Amazon execs are ignoring this and the other hundreds of things Rafe purposely changed for the worse because he thought he knew better. The idea that teens could not be giving into their hormones and engaging in an innocent will-they won't-they relationship as former childhood friends in an old-fashioned rural village is downright offensive to Rafe and his ilk. Even if his hand was forced some some dumb reason to make Perrin kill his wife, it doesn't excuse all the other awful changes he made for no reason other than that he believed he knew better than the original author. Fuck Rafe.

>>211696112
>Pretty much nobody who actually likes WoT likes the show.
I don't see how you could, because the show is nothing like the books. We've already had people who picked up the books after watching the show, and being very confused right from the outset about how utterly different everything is. From the very, very beginning, everything is different. Hell they were probably shocked that the books were focused almost entirely on Rand's point of view.

>>211687664
I did not mind the hills of tanchico

I just want an explanation for why Wheel of Time had to be cursed this way. Why? I love this series so much, why did it have to be targeted for this kind of rape and humiliation?

>>211688192
>because the men fucked up the world
because the women didnt help so they went in at half power. Fuck aes sedai witches

>>211688324
3 seasons and this guy did nothing, except spare padan fain's life

>>211689435
>now Mat literally has darkness within him
tuon pegs him?

>>211690392
>elayne gives out her bath water to inspire the troops of andor

>>211705485
The whole show was just a method to make Google results for anything involved with the book reflect modern Hollywood values. They didn't want to adapt it faithfully, they wanted to tear it down

>>211701632
>>211701880
>>211704309
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>211692289
the whitecloaks were right

>>211666830 (OP)
Because its really bad.

>>211703383
>white tower rejects women for being poor
>siuan shows up on a boat with nothing and gets welcomed with open arms
They couldn't even keep their own bs straight

>>211703986
What if every religion was true at the same time

>>211687333
>best book in the series
fires of heaven

>>211695557
correct her all you want she is a sell out whore!

>>211690163
Elayne is an idiot girl who falls in love at first sight with a boy who climbed over her garden wall. She pines after him for half the books, and then loses her virginity to him (finally) which also results in her getting knocked up.

>>211701547
black is evil, bad guys must wear black, how else will people know they are evil now!

>>211687333
For me it was books 2-6. The Great Hunt (book 2) is a contender for my favorite in the whole series, but that entire run of books is fantastic and each has incredible scenes in them.

>>211701654
Aeil clothing was supposed to be utilitarian and simple because they used to be fucking gardeners and servants. Their "work clothes" are descended from what they wore while trimming hedges in the Age of Legends for fucks' sake.

>>211689235
Dune is a series of discrete novels that follow a chronological order. Wheel of Time is a single, continuous narrative which focuses on the same characters and plot for all of its books. The entire series takes place over like 3 or so years only.

>>211706802
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you bloody ox of a thimble-brained man? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Red Ajah, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on fake Dragons, and I have gentled over 300 men. I am trained in one power warfare and I'm the top weaver in the entire Aes Sedai. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in the Westlands, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Ways? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of eyes-and-ears across the land and your weaves are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in one power combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Aes Sedai and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

I saw some videos on social media of a renaissance faire in America that was just a larping cosplay party for geeks to get drunk at. At least they had bar maids feeding alcohol to women:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K7xX8NGXUEw
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j3Iy4E_AdYQ

But shit like Wheel of Time just feels like a fucking cosplay larp. It looks cheap, the costumes are all too clean and fresh.