Thread 211672288

Prime directive?
What prime directive?

>>211672288 (OP)
People shit on Janeway all the time, and I get it, but I enjoy her. I think as a captain Kate Mulgrew was good

>>211672379
Admiral was even better.

Love Janeway, love Kate Mulgrew. Best captain and admiral.

>>211672288 (OP)
i wish i knew ai so i could make images with her in short skirts and stockings

>blows herself up to fuck the borg
>blows herself up to fuck the vidians
>blows herself up to fuck the time-fiddlers
>comes back every fucking time

she literally cannot be stopped
WHY SHE STILL COMING RIG?

The entire story of Voyager is fake. The crew never left the Ocampa's hospital. They've been there in suspended animation for the entire time. It was all a dream.

>>211672288 (OP)
i feel like if she was a guy doing that shit people would eat it up

>trek thread
while I have you here, tell me what's the best release rip of DSN and VOYAGER to watch.
I've heard these 2 are troublesome.

I want Janeway to peg me

>>211672288 (OP)
She literally never broke prime directive and never did anything wrong

>>211674522
She murdered a hologram to get holodick

#JusticeforTuvix

Her hunt for coffee killed billions...

>>211677381
#JusticeforEquinox

>>211677381
>>211677795
They got what they deserved.

>>211677831
t. a Cardassian catamite

I’m just gonna say it. Kate Mulgrew was a very handsome woman.

>>211676579
t. Chakotay

>>211672288 (OP)
Prime rib?

>>211676559
Why not buy the 4K BR sets?

Does Voyager have a barber or how does she do it?

inb4 force fields

>>211679738
Will never ever stop laughing at the fact that golden boy got out-promoted by an engineer that was 4 ranks behind him.

>exposes esoteric occult secrets

don't go into the light when you die even if you meet angels/relatives/spirit guides

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw

>>211672288 (OP)
I'm currently halfway through season one of Next Generation. It's not bad, but I'm still waiting to get hooked in and become a 'trekkie'.

>>211678281
Literally?

>>211680056
stick yer head into a replicator

>>211672288 (OP)
What happens in the Delta Quadrant, stays in the Delta Quadrant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW0wcPMMK7E

It's gonna be 'wharfit'. I'll be there.

>>211680126
There's a lot of disagreement over whether or not the first two seasons are good. You should keep in mind Roddenberry had long since fried his brain and they were using rejected ideas from the original series for some episodes. I wound up enjoying them despite these things, and loved what came later in seasons 3 and beyond.

>>211680056
i have a similar problem conceptually with sonic showers

that CANNOT be fucking comfortable and i don't even understand how it cleans you. it's just battering you with energy and vibrating all the shit off you? what about gunk that won't just dust off? troi has a huge bath in her quarters so clearly using water isn't some sort of social faux pas or an "antiquated measure of the past" so... why? out of all the creature comforts the star trek universe provides i'd still be that one weird guy taking normal ass showers i guess. just couldn't feel clean by spreading my ass cheeks against a subwoofer even if it was some magical sci-fi subwoofer

>>211680136
Yes, actually.

>>211680194
it would be a lot faster and you don't have to dry off, you see it in use in voyager, they would also have baths and normal showers, its like asking why do we still have ovens if we have mirowaves

>>211678281
>Starfleet requires you explore every unknown planet you find.
>The planet tries to eat them.
Neelix was right, these people are insane.

>>211680284
microwaves and ovens have two completely different functions with two completely different easily verifiable results

>>211680445
the result is food is cooked in both cases, the result of both a sonic shower and a regular shower is it will clean you

>>211672288 (OP)
Ok, list them. Time travel is her biggest infringement but hardly unique among Starfleet captains. Heck, Crisco impersonated a God and fucked with local religions.

>>211672379
>>211674040
Janeway's voice always irritated me. She sounded like Prymaat Conehead. Every time someone shot the ship, I expected her to start screaming "Beldar! Mebs! Mebs!"
>>211680126
I've encountered many TNG skeptics. I win them over with "A Matter Of Honor". Just watch that episode & then decide if you want to watch the rest.

>>211672288 (OP)
Literal retard captain.
They found a planet full of displaced humans which they could have joined, and decided not to for the incredibly long shot that any of them would make it back to earth before dying of old age. Starting a new mini federation using that as a base and expand with the help of friendly local aliens in the quadrant where possible would have been the objectively correct choice. Building a few new starships would take maybe a decade or two assuming they could find aliens to help, then send one of them off on a long mission to recontact earth.

>>211672288 (OP)
*sigh*.....
Gas them all..

>>211680597
gave holotech to the hirogen, got neelix to impersonate a god, forced the aliens to help her capture ransom, agreed to give tech to the borg to fight 8472, travelled back in time to give herself advanced tech, in fact everytime they traded technology with aliens, or visited low-tech planets without hiding their identity. So pretty much every 2nd or third episode

>>211680126
It doesn't get good until S3, sorry.

>>211680502
wrong you fucking retard

>>211673493
Based GILF enjoyer

>>211681382
how so?

>>211681382
>hurr durr muh fake science
>hey mom where are those tendies already

>>211680502
>the result is food is cooked in both cases
Absurd logic anon. The actual results are completely different. You can't use an oven and a microwave for the same things at all.

When would you ever need two different showers? What different showering results are you looking for?

>>211681571
thats my entire point both will cook food however one will just be cooked the other will be nice and crispy, a sonic shower will clean you, a proper bath or actual shower will also relax your muscles open your pores, etc, the end result is still you are clean, one is simply much nicer then the other but more time and effort

>>211681659
>thats my entire point
No it isn't, you're making a complete 180 from what you said in the post I replied to.

You said
>the result of both a sonic shower and a regular shower is it will clean you
When what you wanted to say was
>Sonic showers are for getting clean, regular showers are recreational

>>211681755
this >>211680284
is my original post i don't see how i'm doing a 180 I made the comparison and assumed everyone would understand what I meant, both will clean you, or both will cook food, however its still drastically different, hence why they have both real baths and sonic showers, one is quick and convenient and one is relaxing and sure recreational, thats what I meant since my first post

>>211681382
>>211681571
>Broccolihead zoomers think you can't cook the same foods in a microwave and in an oven
Then why does most food have both sets of instructions on them? Explain that, zoombie!

>>211680950
Nothing wrong

>>211672379
Her voice has a very irritating timbre. When she yells and does girlboss stuff (which the female writer constantly forced into the show) she sounds like a cat lady complaining at Trader Joe's

>>211682336
All violations of the prime directive

>>211682374
It's just a directive, not an order,

>>211682599
More of a suggestion

>>211682599
My anon, it's like the foundation of their entire society.

>>211682599
a directive is an order, thats what directive means

>>211680056
Probably not originally because their first mission was supposed to be short. But after awhile they may have assigned a few crew to the task.
Alternatively I don't see why they couldn't just use a holodeck program with a holographic barber.

>>211682733
Read a dictionary.

>>211682850
holographic barber makes perfect sense, they cold even have certain days and times each week where a holodeck is scheduled to be a barber/hairdressing salon with a 1/2dozen holo barbers

>>211672288 (OP)
I'd like to direct my prime into her directive if you catch what I'm throwing down

>>211683007
coffee isn't a valid reason to commit mass genocides kathy

>>211683061
It is if it's good coffee.

Course: Oblivion is the best Voyager episode.

>>211673493
for me it's sweaty janeway in the macrophage episode

>>211683267
they don't call her insaneway for no reason

>>211683007
>A directive is an order or official notice that comes from an authority

>>211683267
I like your attitude lieutenant

>>211683320
>when Neelix shows you his "leeola root"

>>211683320
>tfw Columbo fucked that on a daily basis

>>211683379
>something that serves to direct, guide, and usually impel toward an action or goal

>>211683688
>showing the way by conducting or leading; imposing direction on

>>211683379
>autistic Anon doesn't realize that words have more than one definition

>>211683735
There a multiple single definitions, not an amalgam of all of them. Insaneway obviously took the one meaning direction, guide as the correct one.

>>211683805
yes because she's a war criminal mad with power and caffeine withdrawal, not that theirs anything wrong with that

>>211682850
>holographic barber

Fucking photoners taking our jobs, I swear.

searched for insaneway on a whim and found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2c7cHdPKCE

>"Prime directive?"
>"More like prime suggestive."

>>211684084
why is everyone worried about holograms trying to take over?

>>211683869
Yeah, but every other Starfleet officer/person from the Alpha Quadrant they encountered in the Delta Quadrant are more evil than she is and she must stop them.
I'm thinking there's something really wrong with that Quadrant of space. She can only resist it through the power of coffee.

>>211684110
Janeway is like a live action version of old Superman covers where he's acting like a dick.

what's with the sad /trek/ thread today? anyone read that? oh man

>>211684280
shh don't say anything, I want to see if he same fags his way to 300 posts

How old were you when you realized B5 was better than Trek in every way?

>>211684322
as you are a b5 fag I know you are insecure confrontational and irrational, however I will attempt to reply to you as if you are a reasonable person. At the very least all 5 star trek shows have far far better sets, cgi and production quality.

>>211684299
Kek, stealth threads are the best. The retard never learned to search the catalog.

>>211684322
Redpill me on B5, I've been thinking about marathoning it, but I keep forgetting. Which trek is it most similar to?

>>211684260
lol

>>211684469
Stargate Atlantis

>>211684229
Its really their own fault for getting between her and coffee

>>211684602
how does that basestar look so good? did they do a HD upscale or something?

>>211684674
It's the Sneedfleet way

>>211684419
Hmm yes you're right about that actually

>>211684469
It's trek except not as preachy and with one long consecutive storyline where one episode connects into the next. So the plot and characters are all necessarily more interesting.

>>211684322
B5 is only good through S4. S5 is utter shit.

>>211684469
People who compare Babylon 5 and DS9 are literally retards. The only similarities are that there are military officers on a space station and a war happens.

But the war in Babylon 5 is pushed more like a war of good and evil, a Lord of the Rings type struggle. It's really more like space fantasy than sci-fi to me.

>>211685167
this is the most reasonable level headed response I have ever gotten from a b5fan, kudos maybe you guys aren't so bad after all

>>211685231
>The only similarities are the core premises of the shows

>>211685196
That's because season 5 was greenlit at the last minute

>>211685231
There's a lot more similarities than that and you know it

>>211685084
theirs the right way the wrong way and the insaneway, its like the wrong way but more insane and with better coffee

>>211685325
idk a lot is said about janeway being insane but sisko was on a whole different level sheridan was too level headed for my tastes

>>211672288 (OP)
The prime directive is just an inconsistent plot device. Sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesn't.

>>211685324
>>211685325
I really don't think they're that similar, though.

The war in Babylon 5 is an apocalyptic event that has been foretold in the myths and legends of multiple alien species. It's a struggle of light vs. darkness, of good vs. evil like I said, and it's all very stratified and black/white in a way that Tolkien is. Sure, there are shades of grey characters who are operating against that backdrop, like in large part the human government, trying to take advantage of it, but the base war itself is presented in a way that a war could/should never be presented in Star Trek: as an almost religious, borderline mystical conflict between races so advances they might as well be using magic.

You've also got things like The Rangers, etc.
I thought JMS took a lot of inspiration from Tolkien, desu.

>>211685476
yes janeway we understand you think that

>>211672288 (OP)

Janeway belongs in the Federation prison she found Tom Paris, and I will die on this fucking hill.

>>211685536
wrong thats a minimum security rehab center in an idyllic setting in NZ, janeway belongs on the SuperMax prison station they were keeping EDD-ING-TON

>>211685416
You have to compare Sisko with Sinclair. They're both religious figures that have psychological troubles. Also both commanders, not captains.

>>211685627
sinclair did have mental problems true, but he was replaced unlike sisko who somehow convinced everyone that he didn't belong in a mental care facility

>>211680060
who
>>211685416
sisko isnt insane. he only participated in the murder of a handful of people and permanently irradiated one planet full of civilians

>>211685697
He was only replaced because the actor developed paranoid schizophrenia IRL and had to be institutionalized

>>211685825
yes I know and in an interesting parallel, avery brooks is not entirely sane either, but like sisko he seems to have talked his way out of a mental ward

>>211685885
>>211685825
avery brooks is intense but he was fine to work with and was able to complete the show with no issues. people just see an intense black guy and think "wow he must be crazy"

>>211685823
Geordi made it to commodore.
And Shelby, starting one rank behind, made it to fleet admiral.

>>211685823
he's only a little insane not a full blown schizophrenic like janeway, regular access to coffee probably helped, it is interesting to note that in For the Uniform the one where he irradiated that planet he couldn't get the defiant replicators to make proper raktajino, it would seem mental stability in trek always comes back to having a steady supply of good quality caffeine, its why picard was so calm and rational

>>211685958
no but really have you seen his interviews? the man is not quite right in the head, makes for some great acting but he ain't all their

>>211685962
sounds like some nutrek shit (aka not canon)

>>211676559
Both are never getting remastered just like TNG if that’s the quality you’re looking for

>>211676559
I'm watching an AI upscale of ds9 apparently their is new one being worked on right now, but their only up to season 3, its nothing major just cleans up the noise/artifacts sharpens things a bit, its nice.

this ep was great fun, also funny I had just taken a break and watched first contact before this one, its reusing a bunch of stuff from the movie, the space suits the rifles etc. I wish their was a few more eps of o'brien and or garak going full operator mode.

>>211686538
>>211686472
>>211676559
wasnt ds9 shot on film? I know the effects are all in SD but I would still love to watch it in HD

>>211686737
As I said is just a fan made upscale, but we do have proof they could do it via the documentary they redid one of the big space battles in HD it looked great. But they won't until someone buys star trek off paramount

Can /tv/, without memes for once, explain why VOY is good? I've watched it and it's pure garbage from start to end.

>>211672288 (OP)
When did she break the Prime Directive? Either name examples or KYS.

>>211686039
You could just call him eccentric, which isn't surprising being a higher IQ black actor, people probably treat him like he's a black swan. It's gone to his head and he's cultivated a personality.

Meanwhile, the CHAD Michael O'Hare thought the FBI was talking to him on the television and thought overhead helicopters were gangstalking him

>>211687013
the window for what constitutes "good" has shifted. "strange new worlds" and "picard season 3" now qualify as good

>>211687013
whoever said it was good? its in constant competition with Ent for 4th place. The Doc is good Tuvok is good, 7 is good. Tom can be entertaining. Janeway is fucking nuts. It at times can be very entertaining, some individual episodes can even be really good and clever, but over all because its constantly resetting to the status quo almost no-one really grows or changes, the examples I gave the Doc and Seven and to a lesser extent Tuvok and Tom do.

>replying to yourself
VOYAGER PREMISE

>>211686472
>AI upscale of ds9
Where are these getting posted?

>>211687013
>and it's pure garbage from start to end.
Well, you're wrong but why would I try to convince you?

Ultimately, you're responsible for your own taste and what sort of things you appreciate out of a television show.

>>211687179
but its more fun to call him insane, I wish I still had the
>lights action BASEBALL!
>he would write on the lenses, "if camras were lasers you'd be a mass murder"
pasta, great stuff, its just a meme my dude. I am well aware O'Hare is literally insane

>>211687260
on the internet anon, you are on it right now

>>211687206
>no one grows
Kirk doesn't grow in TOS, really. There's typically little of that sort of character progression in shows without mass serialization, episodic shows are all about the self-contained story rather than the broader continuity.
Does Riker really grow as a character in TNG? Maybe a tiny bit in that he just... gets older? But that sort of growth exists in all Voyager characters as well, even Chakotay who might as well not even exist.

When I watch an episode like Living Witness, I'm not thinking "Boy howdy, I can't believe Harry Kim never got promoted!" -- I'm enjoying the story of the episode for what it is, trying to absorb the intention of the writers and the story they're conveying.

>>211677972
^he’s right you know

>no one grows
That's not even true of Voyager. Every main character in Voyager has an arc. Even Chakotay. Fuck YOU and fuck your LIES.

>>211687315
Ah. Obnoxious asshole then. Nvm

Oh right I just remembered Tillyfag is the one who does the anti-Voyager shitposting.

>>211687013
It’s campy fun set in a Star Trek setting. It’s ok. Anyone who takes any of it seriously needs help: it’s all silly space magic

>>211687375
>I'm enjoying the story of the episode for what it is
thats exactly my point, their is nothing over arcing just the same thing with no carry over from what happened before, tng actually does do this the most obvious example is picard after the inner light of course, but their is also data and worf, deanna and rikers relationship, crusher and picards, barclay, o'brien, etc for some reason voyager has even less character progression then tng they go through massive life changing events and then next week its like nothing happened. For instance after best of both worlds, the attitude of the crew most especially picard but really of them towards the borg takes a hugh (pun intended) shift that remains for the rest of the show.

>>211687202
It's sad that I enjoyed Picard S3 so much just because 1&2 were so fucking bad in comparison.
Being Logical, it was below average. The only interesting character arcs were 7 and her Captain. Picard's son was an okay actor, but there wasn't much agency to his arc.
I mut give props to the writers, they managed to include S1&S2 plot points in S3 seamlessly. I wonder if it was the same writers. I doubt it.

>>211687566
Voy is TNG without the stick up it’s ass

>>211687522
I'm not going to post a link you fucking glowie, find it yourself nu-trek faggots are malicious evil petty assholes and I won't out true dedicated fans just trying to make something nice for us.

>>211687604
ok? that doesn't refute anything I said at all, it always ignores what came before only once you get to near the end s6-7 do they start actually addressing the things that have happened, barely

>>211687546
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>>211687566
>>211687604
>>211687667
Just stop, Tillyfag.

>>211687013
The Dr is a great character but ultimately it's horrible and not worth watching just for his sake. ENT is better especially since it has some episodic continuity.

B5>TNG=DSN>ENT>VOY

>>211687667
There’s continuity, you’ve just chosen to ignore to “prove” some sort of point. The relationships between Tom and Bel’anna, Neelix and Kes, Neelix and the crew, the doctor and the crew, all develop over the course of the series. TNG also did monster of the week episodes and they were often the best ones. I don’t get your beef: Voy is campier because they chose to have fun with it

>>211687206
Son I am disappoint

>>211687726
I don’t know what you’re on about either. Everything up to and including Ent is good entertainment. Everything after that has been a steaming pile of shit

>>211687726
you are mistaken, I hate all nu-trek and std most of all, I am the one whos been posting amusing insaneway stuff this entire thread, I like Voy I just like it the least out of the 4, I till rank ENT lowest (sry ENTfag is what it is) and I don't pretend the flaws in Voy don't exist. I'm going into a rewatch soon once I'm done with ds9 but unlike ds9 I am skipping eps.

>>211687566
Anon, I don't think you've seen VOY, or at least you haven't seen it in a long time. All of those examples from TNG are pretty much mirrored in VOY. The show is written by a lot of the same writers, directed by a lot of the same directors. I'm starting to think that other guy that calls you a shitposting schizo might be right.
>torres and paris
>doctor and seven's relationship
>paris and kim having a friendship en par with kirk/spock and bashir/o'brien
>Neelix and Tom hate each other then become good pals
>Tuvok and Neelix having an Odo/Quark type relationship that becomes a reluctant friendship with a really great moment at the end when Neelix leaves the ship
>Seven and Icheb
>the very obvious Seven and Janeway almost maternal relationship
>Neelix and Naomi
I could go on and on about relationships that develop and are maintained on the show but it's pretty obvious you're just some autistic shitposter with an axe to grind so I should probably let you get back to replying to yourself.

>>211680950
Wait, are you talking about the time Neelix became a Ferengi to fuck with those other Ferengi, or was there another time I forgot.

Cuz I imagine the Ferengi one got a pass

>>211687786
you misunderstand, I am giving an honest critique, I don't hate Voy, I quite like it anyway I said most it already here >>211687850
Just because I rate Voy lower then the 3 doesn't mean I hate it my beef is with berman who insisted on a reset every episode and actively cut and shut down scripts that tried to have some continuity and growth, this is simple facts, I like it I just wish it was allowed to reach its full potential.

>>211680950
The only one you're right about is giving technology to the Borg to fight 8472.
>giving holodeck technology to the hirogen
Oh no! C'mon man lol, no one is going to take your argument seriously when you throw in all the extra bullshit.

>>211687881
I know about all of that I know some progression of the characters did happen, funny that the main ones you mentioned
>the doc and seven
>paris and torres
>tuvok
are the exact same ones I did, the difference between Voy and the others is Voy went out of its way to reset every episode until s6-7, read what I wrote and don't just be a reactionary douche bag. Criticism does not equal hate.

>>211687905
they were pretending to be gods to a primative race, Janeways solution was not to expose the false gods like kirk did many times, she made up her own god
>>211687979
giving the holotech to the hirogen is a clear violation of the prime directive not even a question, she also gave up voyager to the kazon I forgot to include that, no self-destruct SHE GAVE UP HER SHIP. Not a single other captain would've ever done that, and we have countless examples.

>>211687881
There is literally no point in engaging his anti-Voy shitposting. It's Tillyfag.

>>211688068
TOS also has a hard reset after every episode. Not once do they cite previous events in TOS, one episode to another. The only time you could even possibly cite would be The Menagerie which was basically just a recut of The Cage which is an unaired pilot so that definitely doesn't count.

Do you also think ENT is superior to TOS because it has heckin' serialization like the amazing Temporal Cold War storyline?

>>211688242
TOS is a special case and is not counted dumb attempt, and I already said I rank ENT the lowest out of the 5

>>211688300
>TOS is a special case
How do you figure? There were serialized television shows airing in 1967.

>>211684457
15 posts lmao

>>211688338
and? TOS is a special case, the really bizzare thing about bermans dogmatic stance is tng and ds9 already existed, but he was adamant Voy would not have that sort of continuity, his mission statement was every ep was to be standalone, thats why RDM left to make his own voyager with blackjack and hookers

>>211687949
Right on. The writing is spotty but it’s still Trek and I like it

>>211688300
>I already said I rank ENT the lowest out of the 5
Also my mistake, I thought you ranked ENT above VOY. Your ranking is correct but you seem lower on VOY than I think you should be.
>>211688434
I'm asking you how you think TOS is a special case. It's not a special case -- it's Star Trek. It set the pattern for all of the shows that followed, from TNG to ENT. It will always be the mold, so I'm not sure why you're refusing to compare it to the later shows when that is an extremely valid and purposeful comparison that you should be making as a fan, especially if you enjoy TOS a lot (it's my favorite Trek).

>>211688487
me too, I'm still going to skip some eps when I rewatch

>>211688533
I hear that, but they’re all like that to some extent. I rewatched Sub Rosa the other day because of a non-skip policy this time and jeez, what a stinker
>Grug no like ghost, ghost scary. Grug do like Space Ghost Coast to Coast thobeit, just not Scottish ghost in fake Scotland because why no fake Scotland in deep space? Even Grug think that stupid

>Rick Berman himself would shut down any attempts at building continuity on Voyager!!
I don't think this is entirely true. There are plenty of VOY episodes that pick up where another one left off (not just two-parters) or would reference something that had just happened in a previous episode.

>>211688517
TOS is special because of the time it was made and the restrictions placed on it, it had to be viewed in any order it was the nature of tv at the time. Introducing something that would carry over to the rest of the episodes was a big no no for syndication which was the life blood of tv even more so then in the 80s and 90s, and of course even then it led to cancellation. I grew up watching re-runs of TOS every week at 11pm on tuesday, only night I was allowed to stay up that late. TOS is no1 for me. But I understand the restrictions they were under at the time having said that when they did have some continuity like say after balance of terror, over a ear later I watched the enterprise incident and it was a massive thrill. Maybe stuff lke that is what encouraged the tng and ds9 writers to make things more of a continuation then just standalone jump in anywhere type tv.

>>211688697
I haven't watched sub rosa in over ten years, maybe I will next time just because but I already know its going to suck

>>211688701
all the writers on Voy said as much so idk why you are trying to argue this, they kept trying to sneak in continuity anyway.

>>211688766
even shitty episodes have good moments
for me it's when Picard shows genuine concern for Crusher running off with some space sex ghost she only just met, because he cares about her

Why was Berman so against serialization on VOY but he made ENT massively serialized, even moreso than DS9?

>>211688802
Writers love to self-victimize, look at Ira Steven Behr.
If Berman was so adamant that there could be NO continuity between episodes, how did the writers successfully "sneak" it in?

>>211688879
I've found that with my current ds9 rewatch, so I am going to do a no skip retwatch of tng but not till after voy and ent, so its a long way off, and voy and ent are getting the skip watch treatment.

>>211688766
That was essentially my reasoning and I’d say just don’t. In addition to being silly it’s intensely boring. Gates McFadden lacks the ability to pull off Dr. Crusher centric episodes: of the couple I can think of that are merely decent, they’re ok in spite of her. It’s a fact

>>211688918
because he can't be everywhere all at once obviously, berman isn't Q dumb thing to say

>>211688903
he realized his mistake and saw how bsg was killing it so in a funny twist he tried to make his own bsg also with blackjack and hookers

Do not engage with Voyarager. Just laugh at him and move on. It's not about truth, honesty or logic with him. It's about his eternal war against Voyager because he's a massive DS9fag who feels insecure about which series is "third best" since he can't attack TOS or TNG's place in the hierarchy. It's a mentally ill fandom war crusade.

>>211689055
NTA but who the hell ranks VOY above DS9 and TNG? Not me certainly.

The proper order is: TOS > TNG = DS9 >> VOY >>> ENT

>>211688961
yea crusher centric episodes suck, even troi centric ones are better, well that one ep where crusher is left in charge of the enterprise is ok

>>211688903
>Why was Berman so against serialization on VOY
He wasn't against it and he wasn't even the main showrunner of Voyager until season 5.

>>211689036
BSG reboot didn't come out until December 2003
ENT was already almost halfway through the Xindi season by then.

>>211689055
you are super insecure about your love of Voy and take any criticism as some personal attack, you need to get over it

>>211689121
uh interesting, guess he saw how popular the later season of voy were with actual continuity then.

I'm just trying to put to rest oft-repeated RLM-style talking points about the 90s shows that we know aren't true.

>>211689102
Executive Producer is still the ultimate creative goalie for any Trek series even if he isn't the main showrunner. Even though Behr was the de facto creative lead of DS9, Berman still had the final say and refused to allow certain things.

>>211689178
What do you mean? RLM doesn't seem to like anything but TNG. They're plebs.

>>211689232
exactly, so people like them or people who base their personalities off of them will say flat out lies about DS9, VOY, ENT and the movies that we know for a fact are not real

>>211689178
mike and rich only talk about tng, what do you mean?

One lie that gets repeated over and over is
>the first two seasons of TNG are just reused/repurposed TOS leftover scripts from the 60s!
This isn't true. Okay, "The Naked Now" is a blatant remake of "The Naked Time". But besides that they never used "old scripts laying around".
The only times TNG adapted unused scripts were "The Child" and "Devil's Due" which was meant for the abandoned Phase II series from the 70s. Never anything from TOS.

>>211689413
it was a lot of the TOS writers during S1 though so you can never really tell if it was a new script or just something they'd had lying around forever

who knows how long DC Fontana was really sitting on the idea for Farpoint Station

>>211689511
3 hypocrites

>>211672288 (OP)
Gotta love that Mrs Columbo.

>s1
1x07 Eye Of The Needle Wormhole has Romulan on the other end
>s2
2x21 Deadlock Voyager is duplicated (Vidiian, Wildman gives birth)
>s3
3x23 Distant Origin Dinosaur aliens
>s4
4x23 Living Witness Doctor reactivated in museum 700 years later
>s5
5x06 Timeless Kim and Chakotay go back in time to prevent disaster
>s6
6x20 Good Shepherd Janeway takes problem crewmen on away mission
>s7
7x15 The Void Voyager caught in empty space with other ships caught there
>two parter
5x26/6x01 Equinox Part 1 & 2 Voyager encounters another Starfleet vessel

>>211689511
3 based individuals

>>211689511
Threadly reminder that Spock violently inserted a backup copy of his consciousness into McCoy without the doctor’s knowledge or consent. And he was a good friend

>>211689413
I've seen people say "Code of Honor is a leftover old TOS script, that's why it's racist", a way to dismiss anything that's old as being politically incorrect and not worth preserving.
No one ever thought of Code of Honor as being "racist" anyway until just recently with the rise of popular SJWism coming out from the internet.

Also, why is evil Spock wearing a toupee?

>>211689617
I fucking HATE Equinox and I'm someone that is pretty positive on VOY overall.

I thought they took things too far. I don't think any Starfleet Captain, no matter how desperate, would ever power their ship by fucking genocide to get a few people home instead of settling on some M-class planet.
That's the one VOY episode that stretches my disbelief beyond saving.

>>211687202
The window for what constitutes decent is that I don't want to pour liquid nitrogen into my eyes and ears after having watched it. The window for what constitutes good is the same as above plus I might watch it again.

>>211689664
who the fuck ever said code of honor was racist?

>>211687375
Kirk does grow in the movies. Picard becomes a psychopath in the movies

>>211689691
Also the scene where Janeway nearly MURDERS the crewman of the Equinox in an interrogation and Chakotay literally has to restrain her, that's the worst character assassination of the Janeway character in VOY.
>story by Rick Berman, Brannon Braga, and Joe Menosky
I have to assume Menosky was on tard wrangling duty here. This idea seems like one of Berman's many duds (of which ENT suffers the most)

>>211689708
>it's less bad than the other shit, therefore it's good, and on the same level as other good programming if you wish hard enough.
This thinking needs to stop.

>>211689757
Kirk isn't even the same character in the TOS movies.

They're action flicks and Kirk is a moon-eyed Iowa farmboy who just wants to rock climb and ride horses and other things that his actor William Shatner also coincidentally enjoys.
In TOS, he's from the colonies and he's extremely well-educated, cultured, and worldly. His mind is razor sharp and he's basically the perfect captain.

A lot of the "Kirk is a cowboy" tropes come from the TOS movies.
I enjoy them for what they are but they've never really struck me as continuations of TOS and the characters portrayed there.

>>211672288 (OP)
Best captain
>Kirk
haha well howdy, we uh, yeah we must time travel to fix our mistakes
>Picard
we must not allow ourselves to become that which others fear
>Sisko
Hmm, I can't support terrorism but I can justify it by lying about it and using others to do the work
>Janeway
Either give me the fucking help I need or I'll let face hugger aliens rape you

>>211689852
as I heard said in a vid recently ripping pic to shreds, their are no good star trek movies, while I would disagree since TMP exists it is only decent and over all she was right

>>211689865
Sisko didn't use Garak, he was used by Garak (in a way that forced Sisko to compromise, as the result was so in his best interests and the best interests of the greater good that he could not gainsay it)

>>211689642
Kirk and company got shit done. Kirk would have been out of the Delta Quandrant in an afternoon.

>>211689931
I don't mean Garak
I mean the whole fuckery of the Klingons and spoonheads. He basically acted like an utter cunt to bother, manipulated the whole thing and gave no fucks

>>211689865
you haven't seen TOS

>>211689958
With the Founder female shape shifting on his dick no less. Imagine

>>211689967
I did but only as a once off
altho I was fairly drunk each episode and don't remember much. I do remember Kor and rooting for him but overall I just remember the show as a product of its time which while not bad for the era kinda felt like 0 characters had personalities beyond stereotypes in military/anti-war shows

>>211689966
well both of them were acting like cunts so it was an appropriate and measured response

>>211680782
she sounds like a pompous narcissist, but I feel like it suits her post and demeanor.

>>211690001
You are not a Star Trek fan

>>211690001
he never time travels to fix problems, sometimes he time travels and their are problems but time travel is not the solution to the problems

>>211690023
The reason she sounds like a pompous narcissist is because she's doing a Katherine Hepburn impression and that is basically the role Hepburn played in a lot of films.

I guess she chose Hepburn as the mold for Janeway because Hepburn was a go-getter and a female alpha, definitely somebody who "wears the pants" but really what is coming across as arrogant to you is just her trying to do the 'transatlantic accent' thing from old movies.

>>211690006
I don't disagree but it was just that Sisko always rubbed me the wrong way. Like he's basically trying to say 'I'm right but everyone including me knows I'm wrong"
I suppose I disliked the whole 'I'm still traumatized and never got better' thing they randomly bring up and drop from the start with Jennifer/Jake

>>211690037
>>211690047
Gentlemen, please.
I barely remember the series
Except Kor. Kor was based

>>211690023
>>211690097
It's not just that. It was the 90s. We had shit like xena, Buffy, etc and more and more female roles were straying away from the whole 'if she's a badass woman she's still just a one dimensional woman who has no other traits'
Granted, Janeway always made me think she was meant to be a criticism of a workaholic capitalist who was a coffee/cocaine addict (epending on your view) and that was the driving action for like 99% of her actions was to get more coffee

>>211689996
Yes I can

>>211690097
>transatlantic accent
I get exactly what she's going for, but in the 90s doing that projects arrogance

>>211690281
She's playing a character from the 24th century though

>>211672288 (OP)
The reason that you're STILL IN THE DAMN DELTA QUADRANT

>>211676607
Most feminine thing she ever did.

>>211677718
I would riot too if the coffee supply runs dry.

>>211690281
Janeway doesn’t have a transatlantic accent. I hate you morons.

Sex with Janeway

>>211690755
Best I can do. It’s a 50/50 shot, choose wisely

>>211690589
no, but kate mulgrew is going for something similar

>>211689996
Would there be torpedo tits in the future?

Sex with Harry Kim’s dead girlfriend

who were the soulless minions of orthodoxy? we never got an answer

>>211691298
Yes!

>>211691426
>>211691298
>>211689996
Star Trek is not about tits and dicks.

>>211690868
No she isn’t

>>211677381
How come Janeway gets so much shit for Tuvix but pic related never causes any controversy?

>>211692959
Because that's from some unknown kid's cartoon and Tuvix is serious business for consideration by mature adults.

>>211692125
Are you sure commander?

Commander I request insemination

>>211687260
Private fag sites that won’t let you download unless you upload AI upscaled
Garbage.

>>211687476
Janeway has no arc
Tuvok has no arc
Harry Kim does have an arc
Tom Paris has an arc
Neelix has an arc

>>211694485
its available on any torrent service you absolute faggot zoomer

>>211694548
We don’t sign out posts here

>>211694589
no we don't well unless you count the nu-trek faggots, you sure like to out ourself as a faggot zoomer though don't you?

>>211694485
what is it like existing as an utter retard?

Stop insulting others. It isn't the Star Trek Way.

>>211694937
>not the Star Trek way
Have you fucking seen the shows?

>>211694937
I am polite to people who are actual people and not some bizarre parody of life, the nu-trek fag is not a person

TOS = TNG > DS9 = VOY > ENT > TAS

>>211672288 (OP)
DId Janeway ever get any cheesecake moments?

>>211672379

Kathryn "The Shitwrecker" Janeway did nothing wrong.

>>211681659
>>211681821
Personally anon, I'm inclined to agree. A sonic shower doesn't make sense for an oily fleshy animal, it would only remove loose debris, not clear old sebum out of pores.

>>211697053
its sci-fi tech not really for you to say what it does and doesn't do

>>211686472
I got the AI one but it fucked up the eyes on some of the background characters so much.

>>211695563
Pill me on why TAS is so low. I've only ever seen clips and the animation looks comfy. At least tell me it's better than the family guy ass style nutrek cartoon

>>211681198
>captain, enemy ships approaching
>I'll be there in 35 minutes number one

>>211681198
undone bun and bunless swedish maiden for the win

Oh Captain...!

>>211699928
Mamma mia

>>211672288 (OP)
>Starfleet? They ain't out here

>>211699928
I totally would kill Tuvix for some of that