Thread 211734498

>could easily solve all of humanities problems
>doesn't

>>211734498 (OP)
How would he solve my main problem? being 32y old virgin

He had no reason to

>>211734520
He'd bust yo crust

>>211734498 (OP)
a great many of humanity's problems are mutually exclusive. solving one person's problem is a problem for someone else. a lot of very significant problems in the world are just massive intractable disagreements.

>>211734651
he could have removed a bunch of carbon from the atmosphere though. would have been handy.

>>211734520
he would transform into an Asari or Draenei and rape you for 3 months

>>211734498 (OP)
>"I can change almost anything, but I can't change human nature."
Imagine my shock when OP didn't actually watch and/or read Watchmen.

>>211734651
Yes, but--key word: "humanity's". The problems that affect all of us. Not just buying you a pony or giving you a hundred dollars.

>>211734498 (OP)
>>could easily solve all of humanities problems
He couldn't though. Because humanity's problems are inherent to human nature. It's the same reason we can't solve world hunger or get world peace. As long as humans have free will, they will do stupid self-destructive shit. The only way to "save" humanity would be to turn it into a hive mind, and even if that was within Manhattan's power, he wouldn't do that. If I had Manhattan's power, I would've done exactly what he did: fucked off forever and try to remake humanity from scratch, hopefully without all the retardation

>>211734767
I have no idea what those are but sounds kinda hot.

>>211735817
>The problems that affect all of us
Like what exactly?

>>211734498 (OP)
>realizes humanity is the problem
>leaves

>>211734672
he invented super batteries for electric cars

>>211734498 (OP)
what problems?

>>211736132
these

>>211736054
I dunno...gay sex?

>>211734651
>>211736054
midwit cope from the system to keep the system afloat

it's hard to convince someone to go to war for their brand of sky daddy when all of their actual needs are met, problems are more than 'well if you help this guy it means you have to take from that guy' but keep telling yourself whatever you gotta to justify it

>>211736179
Okay so solve all of humanity's problems right now if it's so easy then, retard. Let's hear your silver bullet solution for all geopolitical problems

manhattan had solved all the energy problems and veidt had solved all the food problems, which were key factors to the collapse of the soviet union in the real world. without those problems, there is no reason for the soviet union's ideology to become completely disconnected from the reality of the country's economic dependence upon capitalist entities for literally every aspect of its day to day existence, thus, the ideological schism not only doesn't break down, it deepens and intensifies.

by the time he gets to a point where he could just neutralize all nuclear warheads on earth, he doesn't see humanity itself as being distinct from any other chemical reaction or group of atoms on earth, in the solar system, in the universe, etc.

>>211736255
step 1: nuke israel

>>211736392
Agreed but you broke the rules of the game.
>solving one person's problem is a problem for someone else
You can't kill anyone.

>>211736439
jews are everyone's problem. even their own.

>>211736354
>manhattan had solved all the energy problems and veidt had solved all the food problems
Wouldn't this invalidate both communism and capitalism and make the entire ideological schism irrelevant in the first place? Communism and capitalism can only exist in a system where there is a finite amount of resources. Neither can exist in a post-scarcity society

>>211736495
capitalism can exist but it's selling novelties and experiences instead of shit you need to live

>>211736495
in a post scarcity society, purpose is all that matters.

>>211736179
What an amazing way to defeat your own point in so few words. God you're a dumb kike.

>>211736354
The funniest part is real life showing us Veidt was so rich he could have just bought the world governments and made peace. Watchmen pretends like governments would still govern rather than become Oligarchies working for the interests of the ultrarich

>>211736664
You can only buy out one superpower though. You can't buy out both

>>211736622
>dude you don't understand, religious extremists have power because their followers are zealots - not because they're completely funded and controlled by churches but because they just one day decided they had to go to war over a religion. These people totally exist in a vacuum, you must kill them - it's the only way.

begin arguing any time, you wont

>>211736710
you can when no one can tell where the money is coming from and has no reason to care.

>blue science man could literally transmute elements and bend time-space
>mfw some retards claim he couldn't have solved the world's '''problems''''

>>211736833
Yeah, he could literally physically solve problems by rewriting reality and the laws of physics, idiot. But he can't fix human nature, which disillusions him to helping them in the first place

>>211736892
"human nature" is a maymay invented by dictators to justify being dictators.

>>211736914
Commie retard

>>211736892
>duhhhh human nature durrrrr
Moore was just beating you over the head with the theme but you're honestly dumb as hell if you think he couldn't have fixed humanity given a large enough set of parameters. He could literally see down every reality, what about the reality where he simultaneously raptures every person who he can see is a bad person to others and the planet is left with zero psycho/sociopaths? honestly you're such a basic bitch midwit with this DURRR HUMAN NATURE BRO BUT LIKE DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT LIKE GREED AND SHIT BRO LIKE *HITS BONG* BRO HUMAN NATURE we get it bro we saw the movie and some of us even read the comic

>>211736012
This

>>211736041
it is and it isn't honestly

>>211736979
... considering stalin used "human nature" as an excuse for all of his actions... odd response.

>>211736992
>what about the reality where he simultaneously raptures every person who he can see is a bad person to others and the planet is left with zero psycho/sociopaths
>yeah just rewrite human nature and take away their free will bro lmao
Fucking retard. Imagine getting filtered by the problem of evil lmao

>>211737001
>stupid self destructive shit
>like live their lives however they want
explain why it's a bad thing if everyone's having a good time without hurting eachother, it's like saying a festival is going to be a bloodbath because people are doing what they want

>>211737057
imagine pretending you're some sort of enlightened philosopher for saying some gay shit like human nature uhhh human nature bro

it's alright it' s just your gay retard human nature that makes you like this, you can't help it

>>211737090
>no rebuttal, only seething
I accept your concession

>>211737064
>live their lives however they want
Because there are other people. And living however WILL get you into conflict quickly. How bad a conflict varies of course, but that's how it always starts. Could be a "hey please turn down that music" to calling the cops, getting it shut down, then neighbors retaliate, and it continues to escalate into long running feud and war. Manhattan needs to make individualized matrices so everyone can live in their own simulated realities.

>>211737064
What the fuck are you talking about, you braindead moron?

>>211734498 (OP)
The writer is a selfish lazy libtard so he assumes Dr. Manhattan would be the same way

>>211737161
>has never once tried to say anything, just baseless statements like 'imagine getting filtered'

it's honestly not your fault you're like this, it's your human nature to be so retarded

>>211736012
Nah if he killed all the jews we'd be fine

>>211737206
im trans btw, idk if matters

>>211734498 (OP)
Even if he could, which o doubt, why would he?

>>211737206
>no you don't understand everyone is secretly evil and given the chance they'd act evil
projecting your true nature for everyone to see

>>211737064
Did you have a stroke?

>>211737250
As I already said, your proposed solution to solving humanity's problems is taking away humanity's free will and fundamentally altering human nature with reality bending powers. Manhattan COULD theoretically do this, but he doesn't see the point. It would be cheating, practically. At that point you may as well just create a new species entirely, which is exactly what he does

>>211737278
>>211737320
Samefagging in an argument this low stakes is absolutely demented. What is wrong with you?

>>211736069
>I cant understand humanity anymore but I will sit on the toilet shitting lithium for them for hours a day

hack

literal bot thread, notice how many posts are engaging but saying nothing

>>211737333
instead of trying to engage I'm just going to take the route of the rest of the thread and say some dumb retard shit like

lmao imagine missing the point this hard

>>211737320
Not everyone is evil, the same way not everyone is good, people crave and believe in different things, thia alone Will breed conflict.

>>211737333
>its a christfag talking about human nature

>>211737395
sorry forgot to mention I was trans again btw idk it it matters does anyone know how to edit your signature???

>>211737511
Erm just kill the bad guys then

>>211737511
>literal god with ability to remove all bad people
>uhhh well ackshully some of the people who were good would just become bad tee hee human nature

>>211737320
More like you are the one projecting if you think just because you're good, everyone is. All it takes is one to be evil to kill all the good ones when they let down their guard.

>>211737565
>remove all bad people
what does that even mean? everyone has bad thoughts any random times. good people can turn bad depending on their situation. good people can do things others say is bad but they think is good and say is for a good cause. there are no groups of only good and only bad people.

>>211737523
If you literally forced every human to feel the emotions and thoughts of every other human, you're pretty much forcing them to never hurt anyone ever again. You're not even leaving them with a choice anymore. That's a violation of free will. Those people wouldn't even be humans anymore, it'd be more like a hive mind of perfect telepathic angels

>>211737581
reasoning like yours is how people justify being scummy people, because somewhere out there is a more evil person or secretly everyone is evil or if I don't someone's gunna. The reverse is conductive to a positive society, everyone should be assumed good until proven otherwise because then they will grow up good. Telling everyone they're just evil being tamed is a stupid way to go about things.

>>211734651
>Give free corn to poor africans for a year
>their local casava farmers go bankrupt.
>year 2 no free corn
>africa goes into a famine and starves

>>211736727
>muslim extremists exist because some alabama church gets donations from its churchgoers
lol

>I can change almost anything...
>but I can't change human nature.

This one line is the best 10 seconds of any superhero film.

>>211737616
>violence gene doesn't exist
>literal god, not a metaphorical space dad who started everything and then just lets it run but an actual GOD who can alter spacetime and see down various realities, isn't powerful enough to remove all the people who have bad thoughts and would act upon it


also the fucking bonus round on this post holy shit
>muh intrusive thoughts means people are muh evil

holy fucking SHIT lol

>>211737555
>>211737565
Are you retarded? What the fuck is this reasoning?

>>211737622
you already outed yourself as a skydaddy cocksucker, no need to keep hammering it home.

the sad thing is the message of your religion shifted from being guilty about your "nature," thus encouraging you to strive to be better, to just being ashamed of it, but also forgiven for it automatically, and as a result you do nothing.

>>211737818
more like
>y'all qaeda exists because some alabama church gets donations from it's parishioners and those low iq members have entire lives controlled by the ideology

I understand it's a bit over your head though to try to think critically

>you already outed yourself as a skydaddy cocksucker, no need to keep hammering it home.
>the sad thing is the message of your religion shifted from being guilty about your "nature," thus encouraging you to strive to be better, to just being ashamed of it, but also forgiven for it automatically, and as a result you do nothing.

>>211737838
are you retarded? gb2plebbit

>>211737858
I have no idea what you're talking about, you demented freak

>>211737898
>religion is dying globally bro but theists are so fucking powerful they begin wars by appealing to a sky fairy santa genie old man in the clouds
that's quite a reach

>>211737704
>Telling everyone they're just evil being tamed is a stupid way to go about things.
Religion is literally about telling everyone to not do this list of bad things, that they all want to do, or else they will go to Hell and be punished for eternity. They have to have it beaten into their heads over and over to not do those bad things or else the All-Seeing Father will get them eventually.

>>211737936
the shift from guilt based society to shame based and how one results in people striving to improve themselves and the other results in people just waiting to die, but feeling good about it.

>claim to be atheist
>claim to hate religion
>claim to hate jews
>give free pass to muslims
please be less transparent next time

>>211737711
That would be a very midwit solution.
>manhattan gives every African village solar powered irrigation and farming tools
>local farmers double their harvests
>villagers sell surplus cassava at regional markets.
>year 2
>no floating blue dick necessary
Or it go further and help create food banks, focus on automation, roads, storage etc

>>211737958
are you even living on the same planet dude turn on the news we're about to start world war three over religious books

>>211738027
>boil down decades, if not centuries of geopolitical history into "MUH WW3 STARTING OVER MAGIC BOOKS"
I thought atheists were smart

>>211738011
islam is also a shame based religion. hence why it results in third world conditions.

>>211738023
uhh listen dude you don't understand, all those african warlords who controlled their army with resources would never lose power, people would just want to kill eachother man

>>211738094
are you retarded? Islam is a guilt based religion you nigger

>>211738023
This is what would happen in reality
>manhattan gives every African village solar powered irrigation and farming tools
>corrupt African government embezzles the humanitarian aid and nothing actually changes
Step number 1 is ALWAYS to dismantle corruption. All of your efforts will be invalidated before you do that

>>211738069
You have to be living under a rock, we've got sitting senators saying they were chosen by god get involved in geopolitics to defend another country - because a 2000 year old book said so

>>211738102
Cheeky, but we also need live a little, eh? Imagine the fun you could have as Big Blue Boy making those bastards eat their own bullets. For peace, of course.

>>211738135
nope. islam also tells its adherents there is nothing they can do to improve and the eternal reward is contingent upon the whims of allah

>>211738138
>>corrupt African government embezzles the humanitarian aid and nothing actually changes
What would they do against (You)? Do you expect them to learn to control tachyons? kek

>>211738188
1. democratic procedure holds these people back
2. would it be better if an atheist told you to get involved?
3. both world wars happened of secular reasons, therefore atheism is actively dangerous to humanity

>>211738197
LISTEN PAL DON'T YUCK SOMEONE'S YUM LET THE BLUE GUY COOK

>>211738102
Have you heard of the Rwandan genocide?

>>211738269
that's literally what guilt is, retard. go back to /leftypol/

>>211738283
Okay so what, you're just gonna breathe down the necks of every single corrupt politician in the world? Manhattan could totally do that, since he has the ability to be omnipresent. I'm just saying your solution requires a lot of bruteforce and you're pretty much forcing everyone to play nice (which, again, proves his point about being unable to change human nature). If you have to bully people into complying, they're probably not worth saving anyways

>>211738321
This constant deflection that I must be atheist is fucking wild, it's like you're unable to comprehend the argument could come from someone who believes in Jesus, there's honestly no point in trying - you are the retards giving the rest of us a bad name

>>211738345
are you actually retarded
>warlords that controlled their armies through resources

>>211738350
you've been so completely brainwashed you can't see any distinction between guilt and shame. it was by design.

>>211738401
lmao you're aren't even a christian, bucko. don't try so hard next time you want to shitpost

>>211738442
It wasn't no warlords. People formed death squads and killed their neighbours.

>>211736179
bot post? We’re talking about a magic blue man fucking retard

>>211738454
>if you don't argue following my semantics you're brainwashed

>>211738486
and I'm sure they didn't take their neighbors shit after they killed them

>>211738533
pointing out a distinction between distinct concepts is not semantics, my brainwashed friend.

hey, hey, quick, tell me what you think humble before god means

>>211738484
>noooo someone who has a nuanced opinion that disagrees with me can't be a Christian NOOOOOOOO

You're the reason so many high iq Christians hide in academia. Retarded low iq faggots like you giving everyone a bad name.

>>211738370
>Okay so what, you're just gonna breathe down the necks of every single corrupt politician in the world?
I thought we were talking juts about Africa. There's plenty of stuff you could do. For a start: train and empower community led security forces, also create sophisticated methods of surveillance around the borders. The whole system could be easily made decentralized, say make resources distributed around solar grids and seed banks, have water captured locally. It would be a fun engineering problem. I don't know, anon, I pretty much believe that with powers like that would be able to get a fucking lot done. Plus you only need to do that until they develop their own economy. After this everything else would require very little checks and would be able to teleport in a fucking instant.

>>211738697
>anon creates the reality we're already headed towards
>except there's no omnipotent blue science man who will keep the watchmen in line
we got the bad ending

>>211738697
>and for any problem, you would be able to teleport in a fucking instant.
Fixed

>>211738616
>>211738647
man, stop trying too hard. I know your life is shit and want to vent but try /b/ or /pol/ for your shitposting needs. /tv/ is bad as is

>>211738744
>election tourists when they are confronted with opinions that aren't just retarded black and white

you love to see it

>>211738591
The main reason for killing them wasn't to take their shit. It was to rid the country of "traitors" and "cockroaches" as the victims were called. The killing was done along ethnic lines.

>>211738697
>For a start: train and empower community led security forces
Oh that is the biggest load of bullshit ever. You're bordering on communism with that naive nonsense. A community-led security force? Yes, what a fool-proof way of enforcing a fair, equal society. Totally corruption-proof, no potential imbalance of power or exploitable loopholes at all

>>211738739
I'm talking about offering a leg up to Africa. I legitimately think it would be way easy to bootstrap their economy to incredible levels with very little input if we were Manhattan. I don't know what to do about the West when it comes to its issues. It's a very complex machinery. Waiting for the comments talking about nuking Israel now.

>>211738744
damn, didn't expect you to just have no actual response.

>>211738799
Ah yes and what exactly was being betrayed and how exactly were the deceased acting like roaches? There was nothing that led up to this, no resource mismanagement, no leader telling the people what to think, everyone just simultaneously agreed that they had to kill their cousins for blood reasons

Stop 9/11?

>>211738787
>>211738872
>dude I fucking hate religion and your sky daddy but I'm a christian bro
>also american christians are to blame for muslims being retards because fuck you shitstian kike golem

>>211738823
>A community-led security force?
First thing that came to my mind was a foreign peace force, but fuck lack of sovereignty. Every country needs to be able to defend itself. That's what I think I would be giving them. Again, it's more like a little army to instill a sense of pride. We would end up being the Big Stick anyway.

>>211738895
ill b real whitchu I also have solution to the problem that doesn't skirt dangerously close to tyranny

>>211738960
meant for
>>211738868

>>211738895
>exactly was being betrayed
The guys getting killed were put in charge by the colonists and when the colony ended, the other guys got the power and enacted revenge.

>>211738920
jesus you're mindbroken as fuck

>>211738960
>>211738999
I don't really think I would be doing any of that, but you already found me guilty and I don't think I will change your mind. Again, the surveillance and the security forces are to prevent outsiders (the warlords prying around like you or some other anon said).

>>211739083
thanks for proving me right lmao

Can we leave Africa aside for a minute and move to solve the Middle East now?

>>211739138
no, that's not what happened there.

>>211739145
see >>211736392

>>211739045
at the behest of...? people always act like the rwandan genocide was done by a hivemind.

>>211734498 (OP)
>humanities only problem is humans
hur dur

>>211739295
>look I can use Paint!
nigger

>>211739939
>retreats further and further into denial of reality

be sure to post your draft card here when you're conscripted to die to protect israel, because your politicians believe that will bring back jesus

>>211740082
and the /pol/fag seethes once again
sorry your based and redpilled muslim shithole proved to be another paper tiger like russia.

>>211734498 (OP)
>physicist working on nuclear shit
>blue
he's probably jewish that's why

>>211740271
>no longer sufficient to just deny reality, the mindbroken begins spewing gibberish.

>>211740409
>NOOOO YOU DON'T GET IT THE CHRISTIAN GLOWIES ARE GONNA BE INTERESTED IN FORCIBLY RECRUITING ME, AN OBESE, SOFT ATHEIST (it makes me really smart) WITH EXTREME SHITPOSTING SKILLS TO FIGHT IN THE MIDDLE EAST DON'T MAKE ME POST THE DON'T MAKE ME TAP THE SIGN IMAGE I GOT FROM /pol/

>>211739939
im the other guy you're responding to and he's right, you're broken

>>211740493
>>211739295
>same image naming convention
>defending the "other" guy
you can do better.

>>211737838
>there are evil people and there are good people
>okay just kill the evil people
>NOOOOO BECAUSE UHH UMMM

>>211740493
>the entire thread is one guy talking to himself
>also this post

>>211740552
4chan is not doing your mental health any favors.

>>211740635
>>211740646
>samefag is also a phoneposter
dude you are hardcore! you'd be a great soldier to die in the middle east!

>>211740717
You're like a 'not schizo' who spent so long around schizos you've achieved schizo, congratulations

>>211737711
The big brain solution would be to just change the universe so that humans won't need food at all.

>>211734498 (OP)
More like
>Couldn't solve all of humanity's problems
>Decide to solve none

>>211734498 (OP)
He's trying his best okay?

>>211740804
>speaks to and defends himself on 4chan
>calls other people schizos
lol /pol/fags

>>211740492
tapping the sign doesnt make you an athiest

>>211734498 (OP)
>he moans about humanity
>he doesn't simply construct one perfect replica of planet earth complete with sun & moon plus an omniscient robot for each human alive
>he doesn't whisk each away to their own private world to be taught enlightenment by their own private omniscient robot teacher
>he doesn't check on each of them to see how they're doing and if they're ready to be brought back to earth yet (they're not)
>(they'll never be)
>(he just goes back & forth)
>(visiting ten billion planets)
>(speaking with ten billion hermits)
>(waiting for one to demonstrate enlightenment)
>(in vain)
>(for)
>(it)
>(never)
>(happens)
>....
>(decades pass)
>(he begins introducing individuals to one another
>(male & female breeding pairs)
>(he watches over five billion gardens of eden)
>....

>>211734672
>remove carbon

whats that supposed to mean

>>211736069
>everyone would have realized e-vehicles are shit 40 years earlier
Thanks Doc!

>>211738023
>manhattan gives every African village solar powered irrigation and farming tools
This just leads to Empire Of Dust 2: Osterman's Folly

>>211738370
>Manhattan could totally do that, since he has the ability to be omnipresent.
No he doesn't you twerp

>>211734498 (OP)
>is called easter man
>original easter man couldnt solve problems
>somehow this analogy went right over op`s head

reddit.com

>>211734498 (OP)
Not his problems.

>>211734672
More carbon means more plant life and higher crop yields.

>>211734498 (OP)
He admitted that he didn't give a shit about humanity.

>>211734672
Peak biomass and biodiversity has always coincided with peak CO2 and temperature.
Ice ages are not good for life in general.
An Ice age is defined by the period for which both poles are frozen all year round. We're still in the late stages of an ice age. It would not be a good idea to reverse this.

>>211734651
>2deep4u zero-sum bullshit
Didn't he simply transcend beyond giving a shit

>>211754811
yes

>>211754674
Except letting it go on introduces huge storms, floods, and less predictable seasons. This causes severe damage to established cities and the world economies as well as driving migration. So Dr. M reverses it to before man started pumping carbon into the air like crazy.

>smartest man in the universe
>hates people and sees their lives as pointless
Intelligentbros...what did they mean by this?

>>211757320
it's true
all of it

>>211737833
Hes not a god. Hes aware of his own timeline all at once. He still has to research things, experiment. Hes not omniscient, and nowhere does it say that he can read minds.

>>211757611
But I didn't want to be born intelligent. I want to be a happy retard.

>>211757976
white man's burden

>>211734651
>a great many of humanity's problems are mutually exclusive. solving one person's problem is a problem for someone else. a lot of very significant problems in the world are just massive intractable disagreements.
Isnt his power to manipulate atoms? He could literally alter everyones brains chemistry to be happy along with providing unlimited food water shelter etc. He literally could solve everyones problems.

>>211754674
Peak biodiversity means peak pathogens ya dingus.

>>211736495
>Communism and capitalism can only exist in a system where there is a finite amount of resources
not really. neither of them are dependent on resources being finite. it doesn't matter if its infinite as long as you can control its distribution