The scene that divided a fanbase...

>>211750177 (OP)

how did the shart order build this super duper ultra massive spaceship and also the planet sized deathstar
is there like a lore reason?

>>211750177 (OP)
On contrary, it unified a fanbase.

>>211752225
>is there like a lore reason?
A good question...for another time...

>>211750177 (OP)
It's shit.

>>211752225
Starkiller Base started as an Imperial strip mining project on the sacred Jedi planet of Ilum when they were looking for Kyber Crystals to power the Death Star laser. All the First Order did was build a machine in the giant trench the Imperials left behind and used whatever Kyber was left in the planet core to power it.

>>211753605
It sure did.

>>211750177 (OP)
>NOOOOO SHIPS CAN'T RAM INTO EACH OTHER BECAUSE.... they just can't, ok?

>>211750177 (OP)
I never understood how with all the stupid shit in Star Wars, this was the fanbases breaking point.

>>211753910
Because it trivialized all space combat in the franchise by making people ask "Why don't they just blow up Mount Doom by strapping a hyperdrive onto an eagle carrying the ring?"

>>211753889
they can, just not through hyperspace

>>211753889
>>211753910
One of the few things that managed to get unanimously agreed upon on the old lore, was that Hyperdrives worked by shunting the ship unto a different dimensional space (meaning that collisions with stuff on the default dimension should not be possible)

>>211753820
I don't think digging a planet sized hole is harder than building a star-absobing megalaser in said hole

>>211754942
They had to do some sort of calculations or something to avoid collisions though. I believe Solo mentions it in ANH. I still think TLJ maneuvere is retarded though.

Some fans were beyond furious. Some loved it.

Personally, I just cant anymore..

>>211752225
Somehow

>>211755461
>>211754942
Yeah there are designated safe paths called hyperspace lanes that are cleared of any major obstacles. The navicomputer works off of that database of safe routes to chart a course to where you're going.

>>211755461
If that were the case, why wouldn't the rebels(?) just make hyperspace missiles and spam them into Imperial (?) fleets, it would be pathetically simple to destroy big cumbersome ships, for both sides of the battle. This entire strategy would force technology to make defenses from hyperspace attacks, like shields for example that just deflect hyperspace projectiles. I find it hard to believe that people capable of making these starships wouldn't think of ways that would be used to destroy them and make defenses to stop it, like shields that deflect hyperspace projectiles.

>>211753876
bro I just noticed the man arms on the rightmost one

>>211750177 (OP)
I thought the consensus was that it's an admittedly striking visual that is entirely unearned and is absolutely retarded because of the gigantic plot implications for the rest of the franchise it creates, that the movie doesn't deal with

>>211753910
If you are really so stupid that you need it explained to you how fucking retarded the concept of weaponized hyperdrives are in Star Wars, someone should probably euthanize you

>>211753876
Chick second from the left has some massive hooters. I'm feeling a rising force myself.

>>211750177 (OP)
It makes zero sense but it was the least of the movie's problems. At least, it looked cool. The surrounding sequence and buildup was fucking horrible, though, and didn't justify 10 seconds of cool visuals.

>>211750177 (OP)
"divided" means that people were split into groups. The fanbase wasn't split. Every star wars fan was in agreement that the entire film was absolute garbage. It's one of the few times I've ever seen such a wide consensus on anything. So-called critics (shills) were the only ones claiming otherwise.

>>211750177 (OP)
>>211756223
I fully believed the entire movie up until this sequence, that Holdo was the villain. Basic movie-making language would tell you that the smug authoritarian superior who is a new character, who is treating the hero we know from the previous movie like he's scum, is gonna be the bad guy. I know Rian Johnson knows this too because he deliberately set it up that way, just to "subvert expectations". I hate this movie and especially this scene so much because the movie is already treating us like we're morons, using basic movie-making language to set something up and then do the opposite just because, acting like that's clever, and then it gives us the ultimate insult to our intelligence by doing something that should be impossible based on everything we know about this story and universe and acting like it's some super-smart idea that only the super-smart Holdo character could come up with.

>>211750177 (OP)
Why don't "the terrorists" just hyperspace ram into Coruscant?

>>211750177 (OP)
I am really impressed that they managed to do something that everyone thought was retarded in a fucking Star Wars movie.
You can do almost anything in a SW setting and you can explain it away with
>the force
or
>we made up some lore
and people will eat it up.
To have 3 movies that most people think make no sense in this setting is an achievment that deserves some kind of award.

>>211756746
>To have 3 movies that most people think make no sense in this setting is an achievment that deserves some kind of award.
People that think the prequels are amazing openly shit on the sequels. That's how bad those three movies by motherfucking DISNEY are. This wasn't the case of one man having no pushback, it's pure, unadulterated proof that modern corporations are incapable of making anything good anymore because workers are not allowed to just make good stuff that makes money, everything has to be catered to the whims and wishes of the motherfucking shareholders and filtered through the retardation of the marketing executives.

simple writing solution. Make it so they need to fuck with their shields by sacrificing a spy on the inside of the ship

>>211756932
>People that think the prequels are amazing openly shit on the sequels.
I didn't even think about this, but yeah that is probably the best evidence against the sequels lol.
Agree with everything you wrote. It just blows my mind how you manage to fuck up Star Wars this bad, it's like they hate making money and would rather just sink a franchise that has been printing cash since the 1970's for no reason.

>>211757241
>It just blows my mind how you manage to fuck up Star Wars this bad, it's like they hate making money
Right? Star Wars is such a simple goddamn concept. Any mediocre screenwriter should be able to cobble together a halfway competent screenplay that just follows a basic hero's journey story. Hell, there's so many beloved stories to pull from in the expanded universe that you could easily make a trilogy out of. Thrawn, Bane, Plagueis, genuinely good books and series that you could make movies out of, even if you modify the source material at least you have the bones of a full trilogy planned out with zero investment needed. Instead they did ZERO PLANNING AT ALL with apparently the only vision keeper being Kathleen Kennedy, whose sole vision was all the money she'd be making at the helm of Disney Star Wars.
Ironic how such a legendary name in Hollywood is now synonymous with the sloppest of slop.

>>211754942
Bull fucking shit, mass shadows were a huge problem with hyperspace which is why they couldn't just jump to hyperspace, they had to have a very specific course with exit and entry jump points in systems.

>>211756932
Part of it wasn't simply because it's Disney though, it was a case of baffling mismanagement and rushed production where they didn't think these 3 specific movies needed an overarching plan and shared vision between filmmakers.
Low bar but the sequels could have been significantly better if they just applied some obvious lessons learned from the MCU, instead of giving JJ and Rian and Terrio complete freedom to shit out whatever they want

>>211750177 (OP)
I missed this scene when I saw this in theaters because I think I busting in the mouth of the twink I at the time it was on screen. The sloppy from that little fag was the only thing good about seeing that movie and I've never watched it again.

>>211755875
>If that were the case, why wouldn't the rebels(?) just make hyperspace missiles and spam them into Imperial (?) fleets, it would be pathetically simple to destroy big cumbersome ships, for both sides of the battle. This entire strategy would force technology to make defenses from hyperspace attacks, like shields for example that just deflect hyperspace projectiles. I find it hard to believe that people capable of making these starships wouldn't think of ways that would be used to destroy them and make defenses to stop it, like shields that deflect hyperspace projectiles.
That's why they had to have a throwaway line in rise of skywalker to explain away why they wouldn't just do that again. I like(d) star wars, but I've learned to love watching the shitshow from afar and not spend a single cent
>>211756416
>using basic movie-making language to set something up and then do the opposite just because, acting like that's clever
Even better, most of the time he wouldn't even do the opposite of the setup, he'd just say that the setup built to nothing

>>211750177 (OP)
It divided a spaceship.

>>211752225
Get a Disney+ subscription and find out.

>>211757879
>it was a case of baffling mismanagement and rushed production
Yes, that has become Disney's calling sign in recent years. They couldn't even stick the Endgame landing.

>>211757902
>he'd just say that the setup built to nothing
oh right, I forgot about that. It's such an infuriating movie on every level, nothing about it works or is coherently working towards a goal or idea or statement. If Rian had done a full break with the light/dark dichotomy and had Rey and Kylo team up to be their own gray thing, that would've been genuinely surprising and interesting. Somehow he doesn't do the obvious low-hanging fruit thing to break up the status quo and instead does a bunch of little retarded shit that just makes for a retarded movie.

>>211757879
>if they just applied some obvious lessons learned from the MCU,
Honestly I think the problem is disney fell into the trap that every other studio fell into, they thought they could just kickstart a new "cinematic universe" on name recognition and writing a halfassed incomplete story because its not a product, its an advertisement for the NEXT product.
For better or worse Feige was genuinely able to steer a massive franchise and keep shit most on the rails and pointing in the same direction, and that's pretty impressive.

>>211750177 (OP)
if this happened in a good star wars movie everyone would like it

>>211757993
/tv/ disagrees or says you're not allowed to praise it but in most other places Endgame is much better regarded than the Disneywars sequels

>>211758118
I do think that Feige's advantage is that he had control from much earlier on, during the 2000s, when studio execs were much less likely to be completely robotic and driven purely by numbers and analytics. You can see the MCU faltering HARD after Infinity War, the second they started doing the "Oh well now we need the black people movie, and the woman movie" shit it was over, the suits with their ESG/DEI charts had taken over and there's no way to do actually good creative work when you have motherfucking diversity quotas.

>>211757879
>Part of it wasn't simply because it's Disney though, it was a case of baffling mismanagement and rushed production where they didn't think these 3 specific movies needed an overarching plan and shared vision between filmmakers.
It was barely mismanagement and more no management at all. They let the lunatics who believe canon doesn't matter or were more preoccupied with their own agendas rather than the success of the project run the asylum.
As for the directors, they brought two hacks on board, and then let them do whatever the fuck they wanted, made even worse by neither of them agreeing to what they wanted, resulting in both of them spending screentime undoing what the other one was doing. TFA was the standard JJ hack fraud mystery box bullshit. TLJ spent a lot of its runtime saying all the setup from TFA was fucking nothing, while ROS was spending its runtime trying to pave over what TLJ did and say everything is actually super important and is more connected than even what TFA was going to do.

>>211758261
>but in most other places Endgame is much better regarded than the Disneywars sequels
It's still better than the Disneywars movies, don't get me wrong, it's just a hard drop from the genuinely good movie that was Infinity War. It was just one of the harbingers that ultimately what had happened to Disneywars was going to happen to the MCU.

>>211750177 (OP)
More like divided a spaceship amirite

>>211752225
>is there like a lore reason?
not yet, but Filoni and his fellow hacks are busy cooking up one right now just in time for the first season of the Poe spin off show set to air on streaming services 7 years from now

>>211758261
>Endgame is much better regarded than the Disneywars sequels
that's not saying much kek
>>211758276
>I do think that Feige's advantage is that he had control from much earlier on
It was actually Perlmutter who was more responsible for the initial success of the MCU. He was the CEO and held back against the DEI shit until he started getting sidelined around the late 2010s, coinciding with the decrease in quality of the MCU movies. Kevin Feige has bought in fully into what is making the MCU fail

>>211755461
Collision with gravity shadows in hyperspace, which only happens near really massive stellar objects, if you hit one, you get kicked out of hyperspace inside the star of planet and you die

>>211757589
I have been saying the exact same thing for years now, glad someone else said it.
They could basically copy-paste EU stuff, hire actors and just shoot it almost scene for scene, and it would drown them in money. The old SW fans would love them for it and newcomers would too.

>>211758596
>if you hit one, you get kicked out of hyperspace inside the star of planet and you die
Yeah, that's the important part. You're really fragile when it comes to encountering objects large enough to have a gravity well when in hyperspace.

>>211755875
You've already thought about it more in this post than George Lucas thought about the entire franchise.

>>211758647
>They could basically copy-paste EU stuff, hire actors and just shoot it almost scene for scene, and it would drown them in money. The old SW fans would love them for it and newcomers would too.
And it would be all new content for the newcomers and casual viewers too. Instead we get the fart wedding attended by poe dameron

>>211758647
They really thought they were pulling some shit adding Plagueis to the Acolyte, as if he learned how to manipulate life from a bunch of cunty witches and not through his own studies and decades of research and meditation.

>>211753876
>The Force is White.
>No lies detected.

>>211757860
>In hyperspace, a mass shadow was the gravitational signature of a large object in normal space. Since those shadows were potentially lethal to any starship traveling too near, it was necessary to avoid colliding with them by plotting precisely calculated hyperspace jumps.

>>211758806
Anon what book is this
Please tell me this isn't real

>>211758983
This is what Disney publishes for middle school readers
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Join_the_Resistance

>>211759221
This is the Star Wars I remember reading in middle school, it's about a planet that eats people.

>>211759221
NO FUCKING WAY
I'm genuinely laughing myself silly at this.

was it a badass move though?

>>211759422
>>211759221
Aww man they're just doing it as a bit, I thought it was a coincidence. Also WHOA what big shots these guys are, a whole 118 views on the Nerdist Podcast reupload!

>>211753910
Because it invalidates EVERY large scale fight ever shown in the first six movies. A complete "fuck you" from Rian Johnson, the equivalent to saying you have a force field blocking my magic spells while playing pretend. A cheap asshole maneuver to one-up the actual fans.

>>211753876
2143

>>211753876
unironically the only good thing to come out of the franchise was Andor, it happend under her rule
the force truly is female

>>211765025
>unironically the only good thing to come out of the franchise was Andor
Ah, the shills are here

>>211765025
Blow it out your ass.

>>211765274
>>211765312
50 year old manchildren
starwars was never good, she gave it stakes, made it better, you're just blinded by nostagia, stay mad

The "good guys" take over after the Empire is defeated. Somehow, 30 years later, the "good guys" are so shit at leading the galaxy that a fringe splinter of the old Empire has amassed enough recruits, money, and influence that they can basically knock the good guys out of power. And in barely any time at all the "good guys" are now the underdogs??? What?? So the people in the galaxy are willing to go back to life under the empire? Or the good guys are so incompetent they can't imagine something like this happening?

>>211765704
somehow