this actually happened

probably faster and thus better than normal crucifixion, not as fast as this though

i wonder how they actually filmed this. it's super dangerous to be entangled like that submerged in water. especially for the old guy. maybe they are

>>211760185 (OP)
Is this movie any good?

>>211760185 (OP)
Is that Shinya?

They died following the right religion and thus gained eternal life in heaven

>>211760185 (OP)
why didn't they just slip their hands out of the ropes? they're not even that tight

>>211760517
>heaven
fake and gay

>>211760185 (OP)
Why didn't God just simply stop the waves?

>>211760185 (OP)
It is amazing how a lot of japanese peasants will just magically believe in some story of some magical jew just because they are taught it from some random european preacher.
What the daimos did was actually necessary.
Funny because the guy mentions about buddha being a person one can look up to and aspire to be like, which of course is/was a foreign religion to them too, but there is a massive difference.
I have seen buddhists believe in magical beings also, which are of course not buddhas teachings.

>>211760185 (OP)
If I was some jewess raping god that occasionaly drowned entire civilizations for shits and giggles....why would I give a shit about some gook?

Fucking animals

>>211760517
>eternal life in heaven
This would be literal torture to me.
The number 1 thing in existence that would be the worse for me would be immortality.

>>211760479
my first thought is they're on a rig that can quickly raise in an emergency

>>211760893
In heaven you are without sin, so existence would not be torture.

>>211760590
That's probably so the actors don't accidently die

>>211760893
you already live as if you are immortal

>>211760491
Slow, cerebral, pointless, kinda like converting japan to Christianity

>>211760517
>right religion and thus gained eternal life in heaven

Subhuman sand people really believe this

>>211762085
Yeah but wanting to be eternally comfortable is clearly something that only pussies and obese comfort junkies would actually fantasize about

>>211760185 (OP)
Those ropes are lose enough he could easily wriggle his hands free and swim off when a big wave hits. Fucking idiot. God helps those who help themselves.

>>211762223
why would they put a thing in the movie that wasn't historically accurate?

>>211760185 (OP)
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750459352800054.mp4
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750263185836469.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1748116386882069.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1748328985096273.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1746460199293247.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750244560056676.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1747535490959030.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1746742569039741.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1748742847741903.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1747578125304386.mp4
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1747005688711824.mp4
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1740686833672729.webm
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1747522295988986.mp4
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750044234528032.mp4

>>211762377
you will have entire universes to build and play around in you will never be bored

>>211762534
horrendous post

>>211762513
OP says it's accurate so not sure what you mean

>>211760893
You've already accepted the premise that there is a heaven and eternal life.
It's infinitely preferable to spend that eternity in literal paradise rather than in hell, getting a pineapple shoved up your ass with Hitler.

>>211762915
Hitler would be in heaven

>>211763028

>>211762599
I have that now retard. Why do people screw around and do fuck all with their life and then expect they're suddenly going to be interesting people in eternity? No you're just gonna lie around on a giant pillow eating sweets and watching HeavenTV 24hrs a day, because that's just who you are now and for eternity.

>>211760479
James Cameron was on set to command the ocean

>>211763171
"heaven will be boring" is the most low iq fucking take in the universe

>>211760185 (OP)
Why did nips decide to keep Shito and buddassism instead of Based Christianity?

>>211763515
1 it was controlled by foreigners
2 it was cucked and gay and didnt mesh with their warrior society

>>211762085
>existence would not be torture
Existence IS torture.
Sentience is a tomb, something I never asked for and never wanted.
Non existence is the release, and your idea of "paradise" heaven, in the christian sense is a literal hellish experience to me.
Not that christian hell is any better of course, nor is life as a human being, but all 3 options are imprisonment to me. Which they are to us all!

If there was a choice I would choose non existence, but as a lesser degree I would rather nothingness, no perception (as in no sentience) in a formless realm (no physical form) over going to a christian sense of heaven.

>>211762266
>>you already live as if you are immortal
Why do you think that? Do you think I am not mindful of impermanence in every moment of my mental stream.
You must think everyone in the world is as retarded as you.
Well let me tell you this, i am not retarded as you.
Not only am I constantly aware of my impermanence, as well as the impermanent nature of reality. Virtually everything i do is based around this understanding.
I am not truing to "build a sandcastle on the beach of life, knowing full well the tide is coming in" like our peers in this world.
Do you think I would be wage slaving, ensnared in usury, mesmerized by the female form and then ensnaring others in this prison, for my own entertainment...like a christian does! Fuck off!

>>211762915
>You've already accepted the premise that there is a heaven and eternal life.
All phen0omena is based around the 6 sensory experiences (6th being the mental sense) so anything that can be experienced by mind, can exist in reality, because all things are mentally created.
So while yes A heaven, or even A god can exist, but not inherently, not without other phenomena creating it, like my perception.
Eternity cannot exist though. Well exists in concept, but it too relies upon other phenomena to exist, the absence of eternity, momentary experiences, which negates the actual existence of eternity.

why even create earth why not just start with heaven
are you telling me that you can live 10 years on earth as a good christian and then have an eternity of bliss
it makes 0 sense

>>211763645
Eurofags had been fighting each other since the fall of Rome. I don't think Christianity would have gotten rid of their warrior culture, or at least had as big of an effect as that Fatass Tokagawa

>>211763377
not as low IQ as "heaven exists"

>>211763377
This post is low IQ.
If your heaven is eternal, there are only finate amount of experiences you can experience.
Say for a simple analogy, uyou like chocolate cake. If you east chocolte cake for every meal for a year, chocolate cake will become unhappiness to you.
Now use the same analogy but X experiences (chocolate cake) and with eternity Y, then time Z, soon enough the infinity of Y and Z will make X experiences all be unhappiness. So then your heaven has turned into a hellish state. Because of your Y and Z being infinite and X being finite.

>>211763944
the major trend setting for christian clans had a huge embarrassment and abandoned their their area of control without orders during the korean invasion and that sealed the deal. it was seen as christianity making your weak cowards who cant do their duty because duty to god comes first over the shogun and emperor

>>211760517
The kirishitans were converted by their local lords, mostly nobunaga, who only understood just enough to make his subjects look Christian (well, Catholic) to someone who couldn’t speak Japanese. The result was a bastardized death cult that only ever did the bare minimum to survive each day but protected priests and “confessed.” When Tokugawa won the warring lords period he correctly concluded the jesuits were foreign subversives, and sought to have them expunged. The issue is the kirishitans took this as a means to die without committing suicide. So you have situations like the OP, where the old dude could’ve just swam away, but doesn’t, because he wants to die.

Why is it whenever I watch Japanese media, Christianity is ALWAYS portrayed not just as flawed but in fact horrifically evil? It's such a Japanese cliche that Isekai having an evil Christian Church/corrupt priest is as common as the walled medieval city meme

>Fullmetal Alchemist
>Hellsing
>Attack on Titan
>Berserk
>Fate franchise
>Blue Exorcist
>D. Gray-Man
>Overlord
>Goblin Slayer
>Literally ANY Isekai

Without fail, Christians or their equivalents are always portrayed as evil

Why is this? I thought Japan was based? If Israel had even 1 example here I have a feeling it'd get brought up daily.

>>211763028
crossdressers and islamophiles don't go to heaven

>>211764031
there are few words for just how retarded you are. only the dumbest mongoloid retards think heaven is a physical place bound by the limits of human psychology where you just eat cake all day because you like cake.
heaven by definition has no 'finite' content. the entire point of the concept of heaven is that god is eternal and you've finally reached his side. the idea that time even exists in heaven just tells me how fucking colossally stupid you are.

>>211764031
You can't comprehend the concept of ascending past the shackles of the human condition and becoming one with the creator for all eternity, so you liken it to eating chocolate cake for every meal. You're an imbecile

>>211763645
You're low IQ and ignorant of history.

>>211764424
None of what you said in mentioned in the bible at all. You are making shit up in your own mind and trying to reiterate it like it was the teachings of jesus.
You have no fucking clue what heaven is despite jesus actually explaining it (inside of you, no bigger than a mustard seed)
What you should do is be studying the jew shit and understanding what heaven actually is.
Then use logic (I know, incapable for you) to deduct by negation what IS and IS NOT existence.
If correctly done you will equate that your so called heaven is a realm of experience that sentience can perceive, which (apparently) is infinite, eternal, and you cannot escape...a prison.
Which loops around to the chocolate cake analogy, you clearly lack the intelligence to understand, hence your reply.
Which indicates you cannot comprehend that your "heaven" will turn into a hell eventually, let alone that it is a prison.

I suppose you are one of those "I believe in god and jesus" yet never actually read the bible.
Well I fucking HAVE. I was born into Christianity and I have studied all major religions (minus rabanic judaism as I had moved on from abrahamic religions as they are for retards)
Buddhas teachings. The empirical reasoning and logic into reality is the correct understanding of existence. Jesus teachings, while nice, are just platitudes, and what you have been taught of heaven are fairy tales written and told as truth by lesser men. Not jesus teachings, or even moses.

>>211764858
You are retarded. You literally cannot even mentally understand the concept.
I gave a simple analogy so that you can use logic using the human condition as a frame of reference, using of 1 of the 6 senses of the human experience to understand experience of existence and it completely fucking eluded you.
You LITERALLY are too unintelligent, too low IQ to actually even understand.
Hence why you are a christian I guess.

>>211760734
>Mary still gets worshipped and got pulled straight up to heaven in christcuck lore
>His step dad is never talked about again

>>211765160
I'm not a Christian, and your attempt at presenting your child like analogy as inferring anything but you being possessed of a simple mind is a desperate attempt at saving face.

>>211765160
No, he's right. You're obviously a resentful incel and the only thing you have going for you is filling yourself into thinking being a fedora tipper implies you're smart. People like you sperg about science and don't even know basic calculus, lol.

>>211764339
Because the big push to convert the Japanese to Christianity was by nobunaga and he only did it so he could trade with the Dutch for guns during the huge Japanese civil war, that, despite the Dutch guns, he lost. Then the faction that won that civil war, the tokugawa shogunate, had to deal with jesuits who knew dick about Japan or its history sneaking into the country to minister to the bastardized death cult created by nobunaga, not caring that they knew dick about Christianity beyond the lip service nobunaga fed them.

>>211764339
Christianity is a foreign death cult that tried to create a fifth column to overthrow the government and turn the country over to the Portuguese

>>211764339
>attempt to convert Japan into based tradlatinx biomass
>they say no
>send more priests to make peasants chimp out
>they kill them and then ban you
:O

>>211765397
No, retard. They initially liked the Christians but the Shimabara Rebellion happened and the majority of those in revolt were Christian. After that the military dictatorship cracked down.

>>211765392
I still remember when that fat fuck neckbeard that was essentially the face of the reddit fedora tipper was found to be a christfag and then suddenly they loved the neckbeard and thought he was based

>>211763515
Americans dropped an atomic bomb on the only place in the country with any significant Christian population.

>>211764031
>If your heaven is eternal, there are only finate amount of experiences you can experience.
What makes you think this is true?
If God is infinite in his power he can subject you to infinite forms of joy or pleasure or whatever. He can also inflict infinite forms of punishment upon you.
You have to reject the Christian concept of God to hold your viewpoint. Obviously, Christians do not, so your thoughts on a somehow limited infinite power don't really hold.

>>211764339
>he thinks being an anime weeb made him an expert on Japanese culture
Lol

>>211765160
>dude life sucks
sounds like youre just a loser

>I still remember when that fat fuck neckbeard that was essentially the face of the reddit fedora tipper was found to be a christfag and then suddenly they loved the neckbeard and thought he was based

>>211765639
>but the Shimabara
This was the climax. It was long time coming when Jesuits and Franciscans were arriving and were proselytizing to an absurd degree. The reasons Daimyo wanted them, guns and trade, was no longer becoming viable as the country united. The Japanese also discovered allegations they were plotting this to turn the country into a Christian vassal state.

They were perfectly fine with Prots i.e. William Adams and the Dutch because they weren't constantly starting shit and just wanted money.

>>211765392
>>211765383
ahhh the ad hominem of the tards who cannot even understand logic.
Notice how none of you could even refute the logic.
A because it is sound logic, irrefutable
B because you literally dont even understand the logic, because you are too low intelligence to be able to comprehend it.

Good luck in "heaven" lmao

>>211765652
>essentially the face of the reddit fedora tipper
Are you too new to remember faces of r/atheism? Scumbag Steve wasn't actually a scumbag and overly attached girlfriend wasn't and overly attached girlfriend--but faces of r/atheism were actual atheists doxxing themselves, lol. A lot of them were overweight, had neckbeards, and wore fedoras.

>>211760734
Stop asking questions that are not in your best interest.

>>211765945
Kurt Gödel is still known as "the greatest logician since Aristotle" and he wrote an ontological proof, retard.

>>211765945
>Notice how none of you could even refute the logic
The logic that that our completely hypothetical concept of heaven would be terrible because it would be like eating chocolate cake everyday?
You have to be 18 to post on this website

>>211765746
>sounds like youre just a loser
So lets see
Everyone you know will die
You will die
All the people you love will die
You mother, father, siblings. children...dead
While this happens you will see everything you care about fade away.
Age will take you, your youth, vigour and "beauty" will decay
Life will become so monotonous that things you enjoyed no longer give you any pleasure
Your efforts in doing anything is essenceless. Pointless trivial adventures that will amount to nothing
Eventually you will become so sick that you will be unable to even hold your secretions from your bowels and bladder in. Shitting and pissing yourself.
Then you have no understanding of what awaits you on the traversal realm of death
Yet apparently
>lol dude life sucks

You are a child.
You seem like you are gonna have a real hard life as you live in your fantasy world and it is slowly destroyed by the suffering of reality.

>>211766257

>>211764989
>You have no fucking clue what heaven is despite jesus actually explaining it (inside of you, no bigger than a mustard seed)
Nta, stopped reading right there. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, when Jesus talks about mustard seeds (which even if they're so tiny will grow to become huge trees) it's about how even the smallest bit of faith is enough to do seemingly impossible feats. When he talks about heaven he talks about a real place, the house of God, where he came from and where the dead will go if they believed in him.

>>211765945
I like how you ignored the post disproving your theory irrefutably
>>211765711

>>211766257
You don't actually have another form of existence to compare ours to so it's a bit hypocritical of you to say life is bad.

>>211766687
>mustard seeds (which even if they're so tiny will grow to become huge trees)

i assume its a different plant that what people think of since mustard seeds are sort of big and only grow into a small plant.

i wonder which tree has the biggest size grown vs size of seed ratio

>>211763243
>James Cameron
>JC
oooo

>>211765639
Yes, the warring lords liked the Christian trade. Then the civil war ended.

>>211760185 (OP)
OH NO IS THAT... IS THAT WATER??? AHHH I'M GOIN INSANE SAVE ME DADDY JESUS!!!!

>>211762534
Ah yes,everyone will watch all of you gay porn.

>>211764031
Why do you think X isn't infinite? Genuinely curious.

>>211765711
>What makes you think this is true?
If heaven is eternal...you are a "visitor" or a "experiencer" of heaven.
Nobody said "you" are eternal.
Nobody said your experiences are infinite.
Heaven cannot be eternal if you are eternal, as that would mean you are eternal now, in heaven now and we damn sure know this human condition is not heaven.
>>211765711
>If God is infinite in his power he can subject you to infinite forms of joy or pleasure
If he could inflict you with infinite pleasure, then pleasure would become the normality and no longer be pleasureable. Pleasure is mutually coexistent with neutral (feelings) and unpleasantness.
Same with joy and sorrow....

Again, I dont want sensory experiences. Pleasure is not something I would want to be imprisoned with either.

>You have to reject the Christian concept of God to hold your viewpoint
Not exactly A (albiet fictional) creator god can exist, and function, but it cannot exist independent of your perception, which means god is not all powerful and in relation "needs" your perception for its own existence.
Which means it is not something one should be venerating.
And this is coming from someone who did venerate the creation god, by default.
Use pic related logic.

>>211766083
>because it would be like eating chocolate cake everyday
Literally retarded
>>211766051
>he wrote an ontological proof,
What?
A mathematician...
What are you even trying to say.
You are both, clearly TOO low intelligent to even understand basic logic.
Stop posting.

>>211766445
So what did I say that was incorrect?
People like you want to live in a fantasy bubble but what I explained is REALITY.
IRREFUTABLE
And THAT is EXACTLY what awaits you.
Yet
>lol life sucks

>>211766786
>ignored the post
see this post
>don't actually have another form of existence to compare ours to
Of course we do, many.
There are countless beings from the animal kingdom. Micro AND macroscopic beings, different realms. Essentially anything the mind can perceive

>>211762747
Not cool.
Everyone knows ducks,more than any animal,hates water.

>>211760185 (OP)
>Wooden crosses
Yeah thats believable.

>>211763028
Because he enjoyed pineapples up his loose and sloppy dumper?

>>211766786
>>211767000
>don't actually have another form of existence to compare ours to
And the experience is all the same.
Sentience, perception, consciousness, form, actions.
These are imprisonments.
These are exactly what is promised in christian heaven, hell, human or animal or even ghost realms of existence.
Anyone with any sort of intelligence will understand that this is a prison.
If you do not have the choice to take non existence, you are in a prison, be it heaven or hell, its a prison and that is EXACTLY what the christian god offers you.
Eternity in a fucking prison.

>>211767000
Yes, your analogy was retarded. You're improving

>>211760756
Bruh, their shoguns converted them.

>>211764339
>it's based to oppose the original globohomo
You are brown

>>211766967
There is no way anything is ever explained that experiences are infinite, plus eternity is never explained as "experience is eternity"
God is (apparently) eternal (despite genesis refuting this concept by the first passage)
And (apparently) heaven is eternal (despite the concept of the final judgement, and purgatory)
Yet nowhere has it ever been said experience (X) is eternal, or you (a soul ect) is eternal.

For there to be an infinite X there would need to be infinite realms of experience, but that negates the entirety of heaven by default. Because you cant then leave heaven.
You cant say "i want to become a frag and experience life as a frog" and go into an animal realm (no reincarnation in christianity) which automatically shows your ability to experience is innately limited in the prison of heaven.

>>211767211
>shoguns converted them.
What do you mean?
It was the jesuits that converted the peasants of japan, not shoguns.
Unless you meant Buddhas teachings, but there is no such thing as conversion in the dharma. Dharma is just a science of how reality functions. The modern concept of "buddhism" is just that, a modern concept. A way to tick a box into "organized religion"
An "ism"

the japanese crucified black people?

>>211767000
>Nobody said "you" are eternal.
>Nobody said your experiences are infinite.
The Bible says that we are remade to be eternal, like Angels.
>If he could inflict you with infinite pleasure, then pleasure would become the normality and no longer be pleasureable.
This implies that there is one form of pleasure. For example, you'd argue that the joy of a good conversation with a close friend is the same as the physical pleasure of having sex. This is overly reductionist. Pleasure takes many forms, and an infinite power can therefore allow you to experience forms of pleasurable feelings. How could one be bored with infinite new things?

>le epicurean paradox
Defines evil in the greek sense. Biblical evil is just rejecting God or failing to meet his standards, and as a good Father the Lord allows his children to reject him.

But ultimately your idea of a "boring" heaven that becomes hell by repetition relies on rejecting the concept of an all-knowing and all-powerful God, so it doesn't really make sense as a criticism of Christianity. Like yeah, if someone who wasn't God tried to make heaven it wouldn't live up to what heaven would look like made by God. Why do you think this is a slam dunk argument against Christianity?

>>211767659
Christian conversion is usually bottom up but since only the Japanese royalty were capable of being multilingual, it was top down in Japan, during a civil war, where factions wanted foreign trade/support, and that was only offered to Christians, which is why Christian conversion was such an abject failure in Japan.

>>211767659
Why is not being able to become a frog incompatible with infinite experience?
So, the Bible is clear the resurrected do not die, and live happily and joyously. They never suffer again. Therefore, they have infinite time for infinite experience.
Are there limitations? Likely. But that does not mean that there aren't infinite things to do. Consider the numbers 1 and 2. There are infinite numbers between these two numbers. The fact that they are all between 1 and 2 does not mean they are not infinite. The same applies to the wonderous experience of heaven. All of that time is spent in God's love, but thee is still an infinite amount of it, and according to scripture none of it is suffering.
Your argument only works if you have an understanding of the Bible based entirely on picking up random information from listening to Evangelical preachers, which is what I expect happened here. The fact that you make a post like >>211766257 and think that it is anything but support for the teachings of Christianity illustrates your inexperience.

>Plebbitor getting BTFO by the Christchads of this thread
Holy based

>>211763377
I said life in heaven will afford someone as much opportunity as they have now. People act like they're waiting for eternity to start their life's work, like they will suddenly become artists, builders, explorers when they are in heaven. They could do that now but they don't. They don't want to and the idea that someday they will is silly. Yeah we have sin, but how you deal with that and what you choose to do with your life on Earth is who you are. I mean, is God gonna replace your brain with a better one? That would be philosophically terrible.

Pagans are inherently evil

>>211768393
How is it support for christian teachings.
If anything, it supports not venerating god as he wilfully causes you to suffer, in life.
Why venerate such a being.
Then while you 1+2 analogy rings true, the word "limitation" in this context is synonymous with a prison.
Not being able to be a frog, take reincarnation or more importantly "attain" non existence just again means imprisonment.
This whole debate started because anon stated "eternal life in heaven" which i replied this would be torture, and the logic still stands.
Heaven will innately become a hellish state BY its limitations. Hence the chocolate cake analogy.
Experience ITSELF is the experience of being imprisoned.
THAT is hell. And that is what your god created for you. A prison, of eternity.

>>211767945
>Pleasure takes many forms
Physical sensation of pleasure, or internal sensation of pleasure, which is an internal form of the external pleasure sense, matters not.
They are mutually coexistent with their opposites.
Without the opposites, the experiences will become normality, so pleasure will no longer become pleasure, it will become essentially neutrality, and without unpleasantness one cannot differentiate what is pleasurable...

>>211767945
>epicurean paradox
It is logic to just give you, the reader understanding of logic needed to refute the veneration of god.
You can interchange evilness with anything. The logic is to show that god is not all powerful, or if he is, he is malicious and should not be venerated.
Like I mentioned above about imprisonment.
If you are imprisoned for a petty crime in this life, do you start venerating your jailors, the judge, jury or prison guards. No of course.
So why venerate god, who also imprisoned you.
Shit why venerate your parents too by that logic!
At least with your parents you can see they are fallible like you or I, but the christian god is supposedly an all powerful being who imprisoned you for the lulz, and for christians there is no escape...

>>211760185 (OP)
Great movie. Unfortunately it features Andrew Garfield, someone I just cant stand. So I will only watch it that one time. I really want to watch it again, but every time I get the urge to watch it, Andrew Garfield comes to the forefront of my mind - his FACE. That smug, beaked mask of fake sincerity. And his VOICE! That whiny, nasal drone, every syllable a nail driven into my eardrums. You know when you're watching a movie that has an actor who just has one of those punchable faces? That’s Garfield. Same thing with Hacksaw Ridge which I also really enjoyed - but only the one time.

>>211767000
>A mathematician
Logician, brainlet. You've also never read Epicurus beyond a meme, lol.

>All the Shintoism and Buddhism you have ever believed in is bullshit and this Middle Eastern schizo story is the only truth of the world and btw am I allowed to slave trade here too-wtf why are Japanese oppressing us?????!

>>211769114
>Heaven will innately become a hellish state BY its limitations.
What's hellish about not being able to be a frog? This just assumes that existence in heaven must be suffering because living in our deeply broken post-fall human world is suffering. Why do you equate a lack of certain choices with hellishness when the Bible states outright that existence in heaven is not suffering?

>Without the opposites, the experiences will become normality, so pleasure will no longer become pleasure, it will become essentially neutrality, and without unpleasantness one cannot differentiate what is pleasurable...
Right, but you have experienced the opposite. You have lived in this world, which contains suffering. Therefore, these pleasurable experiences would only become neutral if we were somehow to forget our lives, and be unable to view heaven in the context of our current existence.

Your entire world view relies on this bizarre idea of experience without omnipotence being inherently bad. I don't think this is true. I don't think there's any evidence this is true. You haven't presented any. Existence is a blessing, not a curse, and our worldly suffering doesn't make it not a blessing to exist.

>>211769543
this lmao Christcucks have no self awareness as usual

An enemy that numbers time in millennia with a cultural basis that goes back to preliterate man and symbolism rooted in primordial hominids appears!
>[(You)--Choose your fighter]!
a) Richard Dawkins: rat-faced evolutionary biologist who popularized the word meme (secret weapon: Scientism; weakness: Kafka)
b) Sam Harris: midwit who solved the problem of induction (secret weapon: meditation; weakness: complex thought)
c) Christopher Hitchens: reformed commie/former fag with great talent for rhetoric (secret weapon: alcoholic snark (aka Hitchslap); weakness: Neoconservatism)
d) Daniel Dennett: Saturday morning philosopher (secret weapon: midwit empowerment (aka Reddit); weakness: phenomenology)
>(You): WEAPONIZED CONDESCENTION! ALL FOUR HORSEMEN, I CHOOSE (You)s!
*****[Fight!]*****
>(You) choose: YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, DO YOU?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy isn't 4 and is unimpressed you don't believe in Santa. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: WHY DON'T YOU WORSHIP ZEUS?!
[Counter attack: nuance. Myth is meaningful in a way not reducible to materialism. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: SCIENCE THOUGH!
[Counter attack: nuance. Enemy brings up the history of science and its complex relationship/continuing interplay with religion. Attack is ineffective.]
>(You) choose: FEDORA TIP!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>(You) choose: NO YOU!
[Counter attack: enemy is laughing.]
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>[(You) have fainted.]

leddit seething as usual

>>211770077
>faces of r/atheism
Lol

>>211763797
i'm a christian but i like you anon, very interesting thoughts

>>211764337
Not an issue, the people who lived in the time of Jesus were illiterate and ignorant too. The important part is they accepted who the true lord was.

>>211770300
>i'm a christian
why is your skin the color of poop

>>211760517
>>211763515
>>211764339
AHEM

>>211770346
no, you are jewish

>>211764339
Stop watching shounen. It's literally made for 10-15 year olds. The handling of themes in it are absolutely brain dead.

shinto is so based. ethnic religions mog universalist ones. buddhism gets a pass because it just syncretizes with whatever the ethnic beliefs are. look up graeco-buddhism. pure kino

>>211770506
you are jewish

>>211770197
>Digg
That place was actually good.
Until a single UI redesign killed the entire website and reddit spawned in its ashes.

>>211770448
lmao

>>211770077
Elon will probably end up claiming to be a Christian like you guys, the ones that aren’t Christian whatsoever, to get favor with Trump’s base again.

>atheists are titans of intellect
>[but expect you to be impressed they don't believe in Santa]
>atheists stand for free-thinking
>[but demand you adhere to Scientism]
>atheists are champions of reason
>[but have strong opinions about things of which they're uneducated]
>atheists are anti-dogmatic
>[but insist you interpret scripture only according to their ideas of it]
Atheism is an intelligence LARP that retards indoctrinate themselves into. Being an atheist is ridiculously easy; their main weak point is their unearned pride and if you poke at their (entirely self-perceived) intelligence they become reactive and break down. Reminder that the legacy of Nu Atheism is pic-related: homosexual rape/cuck furry fetish cartoons.

>>211764339
anime is the masonic arm of japanese entertainment, that's why

>>211770580
they are jewish too

For me, it's Nikorai-do

>>211770613
japan is jewish

>>211770634
this is jewish

>>211770641
just parts of it

>>211770578
trump is jewish

>>211770686
you are jewish

>>211770553
ui redesign is jewish

>>211770716
*slaps you*

Maybe even I am jewish

>>211770740
very jewish response

Post more Japankinos. I just watched Kagemusha and it was great

I'M JEWISH

>>211770767
>Kagemusha
you are kajewisha

>>211770197
That guy looks Jewish.

>>211760734
God is Jewish

>>211770767
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750476466697424.webm

>>211770898
jewish scene

>>211770939
*KINO scene

>>211760185 (OP)
Your mom actually happened

>>211770767
bullet ballet
supermarket woman

are two great japan kinos i recently saw

>>211770992
she's jewish

>>211760185 (OP)
Looks like a pain in the ass for the executioners to set up.

>>211771026
Are they Jewish?

>>211771037
jews like getting ass fucked

>>211771029
Terrible, take a lap

>>211760185 (OP)
The 70s version didn't glorify torture, but the whole thing was more grim bleak and doomer

>>211760185 (OP)
Not the first, neither the last time mass killing was committed in the name of religion

>>211770197
anon, you worship a jew on a stick........

>>211763797
Well, you don't have to fantasize about that. You actually are not sentient. You just run on programming that says you are, and you assert that programming because it makes you feel good to think you're a sentient being. That's just ego, vanity. You could just throw it off and accept that you're a dumb primate surrounded by other dumb primates running on the same ego script.

>>211770314
Italians had no understanding of Japanese language or culture and, prompted by a warring faction, attempted top-down conversion, not knowing the only thing the shogun, nobunaga, only cared about guns. This perverted the message and made it impossible for people to actually receive it.

guys please stick the one socially acceptable punching bag, as determined by the media and academia

>>211763797
I remember when I was 15

Nobody has any idea what happens to us or why we’re here. Literally just exist like everyone else.

>>211772563
>t.

>>211772195
>my example of jewish privilege is some nobody twitter account that's getting ratioed 100-to-1
all religions chimp out when you make fun of them get over yourself

>>211762377
>>211763377
>>211763171
>>211762599
>>211762377
>a bunch of 4chan losers debate whether heaven will have sufficiently interesting videogames and tv
truly fucken pathetic. the idea is all the shitty people are in hell so you get to be in eternal fellowship with the best versions of the good people in the world

>>211760185 (OP)
If my body is skinny like this, how do I bulk up to have a proper mesomorph body type?
135lb @ 5'12" btw

>>211773561
Christians won't behead you or close your bank accounts if you do. think about it

>>211763243
If it was Cameron he'd probably just film it for real with hidden quick releases on the restraints and a dive team just off frame ready to intervene and cut them down and get them to safety if things went awry. Wouldn't be the first time.

>>211773561
Especially atheism.

>>211771519
All of europe went through top-down conversion too. Christkikery was a tool of social control, not a genuine religion that ancient people saw truth in.

>>211760479
They fixed them with a harness that would allow them to be quickly pulled from the water, and then promptly de-activated it to surprise the actors and watch them drown

>>211760517
do christians all agree on what heaven looks like? Or is it debated?

>>211760517
basado

What is with the weak christbait threads on /tv/?

It's fucking hilarious xD

>>211774958

>>211765961
I bet every priest/preacher who has ever raped a boy was a total chad.

>>211765746
>my life is so awesome I’ve literally never heard of suffering
Next level coped

>>211760517
>>211774515
>>211760893
you do not die and go straight to heaven, Paradise is underground, the ones for people not making it to paradise are also underground, catholics spread the idea of going straight to heaven or hell its not in scripture. Biggest evidence is Jesus comes back after crucifixtion and clarifies he has not yet ascended to the father. Dying and going to heaven is self diefication from freemasons andd jesuits we're all just lied to for their narrative and controll.

>>211774996

>>211760491
It's great

>>211774958
>someone saved my meme
holy shit haha

>God not real because bad thing
>believe in God? you pedo
did I get the gist of this thread right? If not, I will try again in the next one. We are having this thread about every 2 days

>>211767000
That has nothing to do with Epicurus and it's fucking stupid. The real Epicurus would have found it funny because it's an argument supposedly for atheism that is actually just an argument for what the nature of God is by a person who cannot imagine any deity existing that isn't the Christian God.

>God is not all powerful
Doesn't mean that a God or gods don't exist. It just casts doubt on one segment of Christian dogma.

>God is not all knowing
Doesn't mean that a God or gods don't exist. It just casts doubt on one segment of Christian dogma.

>Then God is not good / God is not loving
Doesn't mean that a God or gods don't exist. It just casts doubt on one segment of Christian dogma.

I would like to point out, again, that the nigger who made that image is trying to attribute it to Epicurus, who died 270 years before the birth of Christ. He was also a Greek pagan, who did not believe that his gods were all-powerful, all-knowing or even good. In fact, many pagan gods were openly malign, and those gods were the most important to worship so that they didn't turn their wrath upon you! The pagan Greeks didn't worship Poseidon and offer him sacrifice because they thought Poseidon loved them or that they could gain his favor, they worshiped and offered sacrifice to Poseidon so that he would look the other way while their ships were passing over his realm and wouldn't engulf them in a storm!

>>211773561
I would consider holding the American government captive in service to your ethnostate to be something of a privilege.

>>211778564
Larping as a christcuck on /tv/ in a weak christbait thread won't indoctrinate anymore people into any outdated dogma.
Has mom got your tendies ready? xD

>+170 replies
>nobody acknowledges actor is Tsukamoto

Why there are so many plebs with zero interest in actual cinema?

>>211760491
it really drags but it's a nice watch,I mean what else are you gonna watch,squid game??

>>211779180
>unrelated shitpost

>>211760185 (OP)
I hate that Scorsese is such a pretentious hack and still makes real kino on occassion.

>>211760734
Joey looks like he has that "fuck my life" look on his face though.

>>211760185 (OP)

ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE BLURB BLURB BLURB BLURB BLURB BLURB BLUB BLURB BLURB BLURB

Interesting how these dedicated shitposters never do the same with Islam, Talmudism or Hinduism, even though their arguments are a hundred times easier to apply there.

>>211760517
This deserves trips

>>211760479
It's a good movie. Scorsese gives the proper respect to the tremendous sacrifice and belief of the martyrs. But he also makes it clear he has no idea why someone would behave that way. It's a nonreligious guys take on faith. Would step on the image of Christ to live anon?

>>211760185 (OP)
>3 guys on crosses
I was more like 7 million kike satanist

>>211767000
Giving credit to this "paradox" only shows you never read the scriptures or that you don't understand christianity.

>>211764339
Because the church has always been comically evil to anyone with a brain?

I struggle to imagine anyone looking at any organised religion in the world and thinking "yes, it's a good thing that the proles here are being rinsed".

>>211760517
proof next lifetime?

Why didn't Jesus saved them?

>>211765392
here

>>211760479
Theyre only pretending to be Japanese. they're actually Chinese and nobody cares when Chinese die.

>>211780306
Interesting how you keep posting christbait threads on /tv/ larping as a christcuck & guess what?
All the dumbass religions of the world you mentioned including yours suck & are mindless drivel designed to control the weak minded masses like yourself.

Now go ask your mom if your tendies are ready.

>>211773719
You’re retarded. There’ll absolutely be fucked up people in heaven, just ones that have repented. Child molestors, gang murderers, animal abusers, etc. Heaven is not really based around being a good person necessarily.

>>211763797

>>211764339
You need to watch some different media. You have it in you, don't hold yourself back by sticking to that shit.

>>211770767
I watched Lady Snowblood (Shurayukihime) and now every Tarantino film is much worse somehow

>>211782924
That show was so fucking stupid and I hate that you guys made me watch it

>>211760185 (OP)
this actually happened

Too bad Japan didnt become catholic like the flips. Ww2 wouldn't have happened.

>>211760185 (OP)
Why don't they just pull the hands out of those loose loops and escape?

>>211760185 (OP)

Imagine if "The Last Saumrai" took place in WW2.

>>211760185 (OP)
Just one problem with the scene. In those executions people were crucifixed upside down. High tide isn't some silly tsunami with massive waves.

>>211783140
fuck off christcuck, without WW2 Japan wouldn't have created all those animu manga and video games that made their country worth a damn

>>211760479
they used rocket propelled crosses that can be activated if you say "Go Go Gadget Jesus!"

>>211783217
>In those executions people were crucifixed upside down
you're misremembering.
>High tide isn't some silly tsunami
which isn't what's shown
>with massive waves
christ you're ignorant about natural phenomena on God's Green Earth

>>211783254
I like the castles and samurai more than the pedoshit. Neck yourself commie

Stop replying to this schizo kid larping as a christcuck in these weak christbait threads.

>>211783140
>The philippines is an ideal the japanese should strive for
do goyjews really?

>>211762534
the absolute state of /wsg/

>>211760517
shalom

>>211780306
>muh talmud
Yes, antisemitism is virtually nonexistent on 4chan...

Japan has a history of religious conflict, but Buddhism and Shintoism coexist there, so that shows how much of an asshole Catholicism is.

>>211760491
It's a good film. My only problem is Scorsese's meddling with the original script because of his perpetual need to expiate himself. Other than that, it's a genuine piece of art.

>>211760893
Heaven only sounds torturous to those who are unable to even consider just how broken by sin they are.

>>211764339
>DUDE YOU DON'T WANT A FOREIGN RELIGION ERASING YOUR ETHNIC CULTURE I THOUGHT YOU WERE BASED?!
Tradcels really are the most retarded thing to happen on the internet in a decade.

>>211765681
Woah the jew golrms do something right for a change

>>211778144
Good meme, anon
Have a nice weekend
God be with you

>>211780306
Are you retarded or something? You fags wanna be persecuted so badly, probably the sole reason you larp as religious online.

>>211764337
Bizarre post. Peasants didn't commit seppuku, that was only for nobles. Even if by basic definition Catholic missions were "foreign subversives", it is still a weird conclusion that they needed to be expunged when judging their actions. They were mostly scapegoated, the Japanese were confronted with a metaphysical reality that they could not understand or culturally digest, and so devolved to the usual materialistic warmongering that had defined them up to that point.

>>211784249
They didn't commit ritual samurai suicide with the blade but they did kill themselves constantly. So did women.

>>211784190
>murder of innocent Christians is... le good!
shalom

>>211784278
I simultaneously hate all of these things.

>>211774172
No one who understands the history of the conversion of Europe would unironically make this kind of claim. There were both grassroots conversions and there were top-down conversions. Some nations were converted by philosophy, others by charity and others still by greater strength. And there were multiple interpretations of what this Christianity thing was and so multiple ethnic expressions of the faith. It is said, for example, that the Crusades were inherently Germanic; likewise, scholasticism was intensely Italian. I doubt we ever got to truly see actual Japanese Catholicism other than holy martyrdom in one of the most brutal places on the planet.

>>211774515
The saints and mystics who have witnessed Heaven are all unable to describe it but were all pretty hyped about it. St. Paul and St. Faustina being two of the biggest examples. “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived, the things God has prepared for those who love him."

>>211784278
Really outdated meme in the wake of Isreal's warmongering. Now you have Muslims professing Christ is a prophet for sympathy, Christians legislating for zionism and leftists being more openly antisemitic than stormfront. It's almost like reality is nuanced when you don't have assburgers.

>>211784412
not outdated in the slightest. muslims have always called Christ a prophet and they were therefore always wrong

1 John 2
>22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

leftists virtue signaling is as shallow and empty as ever

>>211784472
>the book says the book is right
Woah bro

>>211767211
>Bruh, their shoguns converted them.
I would be way more sympathetic if you had said that they converted because they wanted to eat meat. Which was a very huge deal at that time in Japan. And even that argument would still be incredibly silly.

>>211784530
nice non-argument

>>211763515
Shinto was (is) literally a state religion and Buddhism was mostly amorphous to the point of being OK with whatever.

>>211764339
Japanese media as a whole is incredibly spiritually impoverished and fundamentally uncurious. But these are symptoms.

>>211760185 (OP)
why didn't he just pull his arms free and swim away?

>>211760185 (OP)
Didn't happen enough. There's still Christians

>>211770767
Tampopo is a very obvious choice. All of Juzo Itami's filmography is great. But semi-related to the thread topic, I would recommend Love Exposure, but be prepared for a preposterous marathon of cinema.

>>211784117
Because Catholicism cannot be twisted into a cynical state religion like Shinto and Buddhism historically were?

>>211760185 (OP)
europeans should've done more to stop the rise of christianity in their continent now we live in a cuck society

>>211785327
You're not a serious person.

>>211785327
it's the decline of Christianity that can be corelated with societal decline, not the opposite

Reminder: the US did literally nothing wrong by nuking Japan.

>>211760300
>*teleports behind u*
>heh.. nuthin personnel christgolem

>>211760300
>>211786288
lmao literally the katana atheist meme

>>211784951
Are you fucking joking?

>>211785327
Trvthnvke. Nietzsche was right. Hitler was right. Our ancestors slaughtered Baltic and Saxon pagans en masse while letting jews set up banks.

>>211784278
The sole purpose of nearly every Christian church (most notably the Roman Catholic one) for the past 50+ years has been to funnel first world tithe money into efforts to convince Africans to never wear condoms and to import rapefugees from the festering latrines of the world.

>Japan rejects christianity because it's foreign yet completely embraced buddhism

so worshipping a jewish hippie is bad but worshipping an indian hippie is good?

>>211789438
Buddhism syncretizes with local heathen religions and doesn't deny their worldview. In India, Japan, China, Korea, Thailand etc etc you can still worship ancestor spirits and gods and also be buddhist. Look up Greco-Buddhism in the far eastern Diadochoi kingdoms. Meanwhile Christianity steamrolls any and all heathen religions and will not accept a worldview outside of its own jewish origins and morality. It's a culture eraser and a homogenizer. The fact that some pagan gods and festivals were smuggled in as Saints and holidays doesn't change that. Also by the time Japan had access to Christianity it had already split in Western Europe and begun one of the bloodiest and most savage periods in European history, and the Japs probably heard about this from the Spaniards, Dutch, Portuguese, and English trying to convince them to be either Protestant or Catholic, and they just said "you're all kind of retarded." So here's a religion that converting to will erase most of your culture and also demand that you kill without reason other Christian sects and other Abrahamic sects. Who would want to take that on from a foreign religion?

>>211789438
Neither were hippies. Rabbi Yeshua was a rabbi and Prince Siddhartha was a Kshatriya warrior prince. I wonder which one has more appeal to the samurai?

>>211789724
yeah, it's honestly funny how abrahamic religion causes so much infighting whereas buddhists are totally chill with you believing basically whatever you want

>buddhism: you want to be a shintoist or taoist as well as a buddhist? totally cool with us

>christianity: YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN, BUT A DIFFERENT DENOMINATION??? TIME TO DIE, HERETIC!

>>211784303

Theyre basically jews

>>211785793
You're actually retarded if you think this. It's not as though Christianity has worked wonders in Latin America or Sub-Saharan Africa, where it's far more popular than in Europe.

>>211789853
Buddhists did get violent over sectarian differences on occasion but yeah not nearly on the scale of even the most minor Abrahamism

>>211763798
zoomers thinking they are asking questions no one has asked before is so so funny

>>211789251
What did he mean by this?

>>211789988
>Catholicism cannot be twisted into a cynical state religion

>>211760185 (OP)
I mean, he could easily pull his arms out. They’re not even tied tightly

>>211789372
This isn't a serious post made by a serious person. It should shame you being this uncritical, never mind uncharitable.

living in japan you have no idea how many Japanese come at my door to make me join their christian church, i don't know if Japanese jenova witnesses but i was surprised they come at my door just like in europe

>>211790041
He's not wrong you just have no answer to the fact that the "based" Christianity you larp about online doesn't actually exist outside of a handful of people with no power over anything.

>>211790024
Yes, I can follow a comment chain. What is your point exactly? Catholicism has an unchanging dogmatic core, it's not like Shinto that was literally made for state propaganda and directly led to the greatest national embarrassment in the history of Japan. Nor is it like Buddhism whose evangelisation is based on syncretism.

>>211790041
What's inaccurate there

>>211790118
>Catholicism has an unchanging dogmatic core, it's not like Shinto that was literally made for state propaganda
"Shinto" is the name for a multi-thousand year old folk religion that's existed in the Japanese islands since prehistory. Catholicism is a dogmatic cult ruled by a priest-king and according to their own mythology was started by Rabbi Shimon Kepha in an effort to subvert the Roman Empire. It's literally a religion that has had its own state and political goals for the entirety of its existence. It does not exist outside of the Papacy and the Papal State. It is historically by far the most cynically utilised state religion starting with Constantine the Great (a tyrant who assasinated more enemies than he actually had).

>>211790142
The fact that all charity missions in Africa are all based on community building and actual humanitarian relief and not on "importing rapefugees", as the catechism is quite clear on what the right to migration is (and it is, indeed, a right) and what it fundamentally means. So that is essentially victim blaming of the worst variety, you're blaming the unforced errors of secular governments not only on the Catholic Church who already has a firm and just stance on refugees, but you're then blaming local charity as if the Church was unironically culpable of political decisions they not only not control, they expressly disagree on the basis on faith and morals. It's pretty scummy and a fundamentally unserious thing to say.

>>211760185 (OP)
if japan converted tokyo would look like paris. full of third worlders who shit up the streets and do nothing but rape

>>211790290
The Pope of Rome has publicly advicated for refugees as did his predecessor. You people are so delusional it can't even be laughed at. This is what mindrape looks like.

>>211790270
>"Shinto" is the name for a multi-thousand year old folk religion that's existed in the Japanese islands since prehistory.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I know what Shinto is. And I know how amorphous it is, way more so than Buddhism which I criticised early for having a history of syncretism that is inseparable from its history of evangelisation. It's embarrassing to even call it a religion. And if the whole basis for your apologia is an argument for antiquity, then Christianity claims to exist since the beginning of time. So what exactly is your point?

The rest of your post are simply unserious and infantile polemics. I shall not waste my time.

>>211784744
see >>211764337
he wanted to die because he thought he'd get to heaven faster. the japanese were trying to show jesuits their "converts" just wanted to die.

>>211790118
>Catholicism has an unchanging dogmatic core, it's not like Shinto that was literally made for state propaganda
Dude

>>211790381
>The Pope of Rome has publicly advicated for refugees as did his predecessor.
I know exactly what my religion teaches. And in what terms we are morally bound to not only receive refugees, but also to receive them well. Regardless, that is well beside the point that was originally made, and does not address in the slightest my post. You're just ANGERY at Christians, which is perfectly fine by me, but at least be aware of your immense irrationality.

>>211790395
Yeah you're an idiot and you just got brutally mogged

>>211790405
This is both an historical and institutional fact, the Deposit of Faith is what it is.

>>211790462
>b-but my larp version of catholicism that only I know is le based
Nobody gives a fuck dude

>>211790395
>And if the whole basis for your apologia is an argument for antiquity, then Christianity claims to exist since the beginning of time.
but you can prove, from a secular position, that these other religions existed for thousands of years. just like how you can prove that Christianity is about 2000 years old.
>but they BELIEVE its older!!!!
not relevant at all. are you retarded?

>>211790510
You certainly seem bothered. Why is that?

>>211790492
Catholicism was literally created as a state religion
>uhhh it makes it not a state religion because it has holy books
What the actual fuck are you people smoking? Is this the human brain on goyjudaism?

>>211790544
Because you're a delusional freak that's stating blatant mistruths and delusions as if they're correct

>>211790118
catholicism was in steady flux until martin luther published "the bible," which was the main reason for that split from catholicism. even now its only real "dogmatic core" is hierarchical

>>211790603
what is religion, but confidently stating blatant mistruths and delusions as if they are correct?

>>211790522
>not relevant at all.
Why isn't it relevant? Shinto makes cosmological claims as well. So what exactly is the difference here? You make extremely vague allusions to a "secular position", which I'm still puzzled by, so why is the claim that Christianity owns the entirety of the OT and thus its patrimony of sacred history so repulsive to you? It's illogical. If you're going to then claim that Christianity is somehow completely different than the religion of the OT, then wouldn't the very same argument be true of Shinto that underwent major theological and ritual reforms that are as great if not greater than Christianity's?

>>211790644
You're thinking of Abrahamism

>>211790576
>Catholicism was literally created as a state religion
Again, an utterly bizarre statement completely divorced from reality. There is nothing more to discuss with you.

>>211790655
The religion of the Old Testament is irrelevant since the Old Testament is mostly fiction composed in the Hellenic era. Shinto has archaeological evidence indicating it's existed as long as the Japanese people have.

>>211790657
which is another word for catholicism

>>211790603
That is fine by me, brother. Peace of Christ be with you.

>>211790686
If you're denying that then you're delusional. It's an explicit state religion that exists as a distinct organization solely because the Patriarch of Rome had political goals separate from the other four Patriarchs

>>211790686
its literally called the roman catholic church, created to be the church of rome.

even trolls have trouble just being in hard opposition to reality.

>>211790710
You're just asserting stuff. This is a boring and pointless discussion. You're not even able to concede a very basic point about the internal structures and beliefs of different religions.

>>211790776
yes, when people state absolute fact, there isn't much to "discuss." even moreso when someone, such as yourself, just wants to deny said facts.

>>211790774
The naming is accidental and based on the location of the primus inter pares. But somehow this fact seems to confuse you.

>>211790776
>You're not even able to concede a very basic point about the internal structures and beliefs of different religions.
Given that "conceding a basic point about the internal beliefs of religion" here means "you have to treat catholicism as if it's the one true religion going back to the creation of mankind even though history shows this is not the case because I believe it" I'm not sure why you think anybody would concede that.

>>211790832
>it was just an accident it was created as a state religion

my man...

>>211790832
You people are brainfucked.

>>211790870
well, he conceded that, why can't you? is it because there's something fundamentally different about him and you? like the fact you're not retarded?

>>211790817
The inner workings of religions are an absolute fact. This is easily agreeable if you were dialoguing in good faith, which is more and more apparent that you're not. This has nothing to do with accepting a faith, it has simply to do with acknowledging that religions have "mythologies", lets call them that, about themselves, some which may even be historically plausible.

You accept claims of Shinto that you do not of Christianity. It's silliness, and tiresome cognitive dissonance.

>>211790870
>means "you have to treat catholicism as if it's the one true religion going back to the creation of mankind even though history shows this is not the case because I believe it"
I said no such thing and made no such demand.

>>211790924
>The inner workings of religions are an absolute fact.
such as how catholicism was created as, and still is, a state religion? how about the facts of the Lutheran split?

>>211790776
It's of the utmost importance. Archaeology proves that the so-called "jews" were polytheistic up until the Hellenic age, and it shows that Shinto has existed as long as the Japanese people have. Only the words of a composite work whose compliation can't be traced further back than the Hellenic age claims that the "jews" were monotheists going back to prehsitory.

>>211790963
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. At all. And that is wholly unrelated to my point about Christianity having a reasonable claim on antiquity.

>>211790924
>You accept claims of Shinto that you do not of Christianity.
They're accpeting the claims of archaeology and history.

Online tradcath larpers are as mentally sick as transexuals what the hell

>>211784129
If he didn't there would be no point to the movie. There's already a japanese adaption made in the 70s that's accurate to the novel.

>>211791018
The claim of sacred history is that it has existed in oral tradition since it was possible to relay these stories. Christianity is, thus, way older than the Bible. And this is where is claims antiquity. The fact (and I do believe it is, indeed a fact) that this religion existed not only unstructured but also with wildly divergent theology is unrelated. The problem here is that you accept antiquity for Shinto and not for Christianity for purely arbitrary reasons. That is all.

>>211790655
no I will not debate the validity of christain claims over jews of the ownership of the OT, keep that abrahamic religious sand war shit to yourselves. Is it really that puzzling why someone from a non religious perspective would say that christianity is 2000 years old, when the first christians appeared well, 2000 years ago and when the object of their worship was here, again, 2000 years ago? stop being disingenuous. no one is bringing up cosmological arguments except you, and you know exactly why a secular position would say christianity is 2000 years old.

>>211791159
Peace of Christ be with you.

>>211791195
yeah that's what I thought. go back to /his/ retard

>>211760893
dimwit take

>>211780458
Because apostates can't handle the truth: nobody gets tortured to death for a lie. Yes, if St. Peter had disavowed Christ, they would have let him go. But he didn't because he couldn't because Christ is King and he got crucified upside down by request because he didn't deserve to be crucified right side up like the Lord. That's not something you do for something you and your buddies made up.

>>211791022
I am saying that catholicism was created as, and still is, a state religion, and didn't have anything resembling a "an unchanging dogmatic core" until martin luther forced it to by translating scripture into a non-dead language and printing as many copies as he could.

>>211791261
I wish you have a good weekend, brother, and that rest will recover you.

>>211760491
better than the Irishman for sure. but Killers of the Flower Moon is superior

>>211791127
>the beliefs of my religion are absolute truth because I say so
>archaeological evidence is arbitrary
Great discussion here

>>211791291
People actually choose to die for stupid shit all the time

I don't get what's the torture here. They get hit by waves? That's it?

>>211791127
facts don't care if you believe them or not. they're independently verifiable. and the "fact" you're professing belief in, there, is not.

>>211791310
It has an unchanging dogmatic core. This is called the Deposit of Faith and is expressed through things like the Creed.

I understand your point about the Church regulating secular power through the ages, in a more or less expressive form. And if that is your point about it being a "state religion", I'm happy to agree with you. But I would caution against that kind of definition and point to what is the primary mission of the Church.

>>211791018
The jews were polytheistic. Its in the first chapter of the Bible dude. Then Abraham believes in only one God.
You act like this is some hidden info. Reminds me of my fellow millennial retards that watched youtube videos in the late 2000s and thought they knew everything and some hidden knowledge.

>>211791310
>until martin luther forced it to by translating scripture into a non-dead language and printing as many copies as he could.
Also, I do not wish to go down protestant polemics, but his an unhistorical take. I would advise charity on this topic.

>>211791427
the primary mission of the catholic church is to maintain the catholic church and the power structures therein.

>>211791459
No, brother. The objective are the Sacraments.

>>211791458
>i don't want to entertain facts, i only want to entertain my beliefs

this is all you're saying.

>>211791362
>>211791415
What exactly is the archaeological argument against Christianity? Because I just don't understand what your point is here.

>>211791525
literally everything about jews before they established the roman catholic church.

>>211791503
Have you considered for a moment that maybe people aren't ignorant on this matter? And that the polemic you're bringing up is way more nuanced and complicated than you presume?

>>211791559
you are aware of facts and choose to disregard them. that isn't ignorance, but active delusion. I am entertained by interacting with active delusions, as there's always a weak point in them, somewhere.

>>211791603
Brother, I do not mean to be offensive here, but you're bringing up Martin Luther and how he was translating Bibles non-stop and going through Europe gifting them to everyone like Johnny Bibleseed.

This is mythological. History is way more complicated and nuanced than that. I cannot accept that I know for a fact is not true. And that not even secular historians agree with. It's a silly narrative.

>>211760893
That is because you are flesh and the nature of flesh is to die. Eternal life is different. It starts with a holding pattern of being in Christ like Christ is in God like the Holy Spirit is in believers. You don't really have a body or anything until Judgement Day when you get a perfected body. However, being in God, you don't really feel want or any low-vibration emotion like that. You're at the source of everything good and something can make that better? Drinking from the fire hose of love and joy? It also leads to my favorite catch-22:
>You can get out of Hell if the people you've wrong forgive you
>But only if those wronged are in Heaven
>And those in Heaven have no desire, including the desire to forgive you
But then it opens up a paradox:
>God only forgives the forgiving
>Yet according to the parable of the beggar and the rich man and the saints under the alter in Revelation, there are unforgiving people in Heaven
>Which implies they did not follow the teachings of Christ to be accepted by Christ
>How can this be?
Lucky for us, we have Romans 9. God's choice, not ours. We have no room to tell God what to do with what He has created.

>>211791684
>you're [doing something i'm imagining and immediately believing is true]

lol

>>211791455
Yeah the word "Hellenic" is important here

>>211791858
If I misrepresented your views due to my own fault, can I please kindly ask you to correct me?

>>211791858
I think I understand what happened now. I thought I was talking to just one anon when in fact you insinuated yourself in the chain at some point for whatever reason.

>>211791890
>you mentioned historical facts about martin luther, this immediately makes me think of misrepresentation of said facts I have been indoctrinated to automatically assume others are thinking

>>211791991
I am the only person in this thread who mentioned martin luther, as historical fact that refutes the assertion the roman catholic church always had "an unchanging dogmatic core."

>>211782134
>christbait thread
>thread about a scene from a Scorsese flick
>can't restrain himself from sperging off-topic about le heckin' chrischans and picking fights instead of talking about the fucking movie
Genuinely kill yourself. You're an autistic faggot like the rest of them.

>>211792070
such discussions always come up in reference to the movie because it is explicitly about how and why christianity failed in japan.

>>211792032
Martin Luther believe himself Catholic. The true catholic, in fact. So did his followers. To this day in fact. And they loudly all profess the Creed as their own, for this is the core of Christian belief. So I'm very unsure why you're bringing up Martin Luther. You alluded to the translation of the Bible, when translations to the vernacular already existed for several centuries prior.

>>211791684
What did the Roman Catholic Church do in the 16th Century that God hit us with a double dose of correction? If it was just Martin Luther, the RCC could recover from one heretic (heretic means divider, blasphemer means disrespecter. You can be a heretic and deeply, DEEPLY love God) but then John Calvin? He went so hard on the Pope that there are men of God who are convinced that the Whore Babylon in Scripture is the Vatican to this day (and they're still correct. The FACT that the Roman church have the great schism with the Orthodox church and then had the BALLS to call themselves universal should tell you everything you need to know about them on a fundamental level.)

>>211760185 (OP)
>even as he is struggling he cares about another person more
i'm thinking christianity is actually the only good religion in the world
literally all it wants from you is that you care about others

>>211792127
I have directly stated multiple times why I am bringing up martin luther as a refutation of the assertion the state religion that is the roman catholic church always had "an unchanging dogmatic core" due to the huge controversy generated by martin luther translating and printing scripture in a form that could not be altered as seen fit.

>>211760185 (OP)
>this actually happened
and that's a good thing

>>211792128
>What did the Roman Catholic Church do in the 16th Century that God hit us with a double dose of correction?
Is this even knowable? Because if it is, you're asking the wrong guy.
>The FACT that the Roman church have the great schism with the Orthodox church and then had the BALLS to call themselves universal should tell you everything you need to know about them on a fundamental level.
I'm at peace with my religion and am deeply in love with both the spiritual and material patrimony I humbly inherited from it. For quite some time, I wrestled with the question of schismatics, why did God allow for blasphemous absurdities like Calvin's double predestination, which I find vile. But then I recognised, as you said, that we're all more or less ignorant of the faith. Even St. Thomas Aquinas stopped writing the Summa when he received the beatific vision. Obviously I reject universalism, but I am humbled by the sheer invisibility of Catholicism, and now simply pray for God's mercy. That is all.

>>211792167
Yeah it's called "slave morality"

>>211792212
I think you failed to make that point. Because none of what you said logically follows. And I suspect that you're simply unaware of what I mean when I point to the Deposit of Faith. Either that, or you're merely insisting on polemics that seem familiar to you.

>>211792032
The fact that the RCC keep coming up with new doctrine past having a codified Bible shows they change. But that's the thing, they think Christ gave us a Church that gave us a Bible but it was almost like the Bible had to get to a point that God gave us a Bible to give us a Church. And the weird thing is 10 years ago, I'd debate me now but I am A-OK with God giving us a Messiah Who gave us a Church who gave us a Bible who gave us a Church. In fact, he gave us many Churches but the Body of Christ is universal.

I realize I keep coming hard for the Catholics and their 7 books not in the Masoretic Text but they are the largest charitable organization in the world. But ultimately, if the will of God is done and the 4 blessed Gospels are shared as true then I cannot complain too much. As long as people have a Holy person to let new Christians to go LARGE (Luke, Acts, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians) to get to know Christ in a crash course and to start with Genesis to know the whole thing then we are set.

>>211792358
>i acknowledged the contradictions presented to my religion and coped so hard that I ultimately had to ignore everything about it and now I'm at peace

amazing

>>211792441
>The fact that the RCC keep coming up with new doctrine past having a codified Bible shows they change.
What "new doctrines"? And how do they contradict the Scriptures?

>>211792070
The weird thing? I have legitimately never heard of this movie. From 2014-2019, I did not listen to commercial radio, I did not watch network television, the only advertising I was explicitly exposed to were billboards and in-house ads on adultswim.com (back when they had a green screen with a jabberwocky head during ad breaks.) And I saw movies at this time. I saw Hugo years before and the Irishman years after but yeah, I did not know about the martyrs of Japan. I only know about the Chanbara Revolution and it leading to my favorite line in the history of anime in Ninja Resurrection: THEY WILL BE CRUSHED BY THE POWER OF THE CHRISTIANS!
People tell me ads are the worst and no one should ever watch them but I feel more connected to humanity when I do.

>>211792715
It's not that you need ads exactly. It seems to me that what you want is community. Like discussing Saturday cartoons again when you got back to school.

>>211792501
Doesn't this kind of malicious speech hurt you, brother? Don't you feel poisoned by insincerity?

>>211792509
Priests can't marry or breed but priests are supposed to be from the bloodline of Aaron in the OT? If God is as unchanging as the Bible says He is (and He is) then why would He change this? Paul said he hoped others could stay celibate but it was in no way an order. And the Pope being the head implies Christ isn't (I'm not Catholic so I'd have to be educated here.)

And by new doctrines, I mean doctrines passed since 34 AD. Being a Christian is supposed to be easy, the yoke is light. But people like to make it very hard.

>>211792985
>come to church every Sunday
>reeeeeeeeeee that's too much I wont have time to play legend of Zelda reeeeeeeeee
I cant stand lazy lardass people like you

>>211792864
I am sincere. You view the truth as malicious because it threatens your delusions.

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>>211760185 (OP)
How did they get the posts anchored in the ground with tides constantly coming in? It's like those oil rigs built into the sea today, it's literally impossible magic. Don't tell me the waves recede for like 2 hours and that's when they did it.

>>211792985
>Priests can't marry or breed but priests are supposed to be from the bloodline of Aaron in the OT?
You seem to be unaware that a New Covenant was instituted. And that the Old Covenant is impossible to follow currently for a huge number of reasons, the biggest being the lack of a central Temple and the necessary sacred objects.
>And the Pope being the head implies Christ isn't
A regent, minister or steward existing doesn't abolish the king. While the Church does have a material head, it is the Body of Christ.
>And by new doctrines, I mean doctrines passed since 34 AD.
Most doctrines prior to being dogmatised exist in theological discussions. Even rabbinical discourses prior to Holy Ministry already allude to some prototypical form of the Holy Trinity. It would indeed be a problem if new dogmas abolished old ones, that most certainly would mean that the faith is but a cynical invention. But I'm yet to find examples of this in my studies.

>>211793117
Peace of Christ be with you.

>>211792799
I had friends. We talked about Marvel movies and Gravity Falls. We were in college too, I had already seen the lion's share of Scorsese's work by the time. I talked to my film teacher about all of the silent film reference in Hugo and theorizing over whether Scorsese was declaring 3D was the future of film or using the latest gimmick as a trap to get kids to watch Georges Meilles shorts and even he didn't tell me Silence was out.)
People tell me I think I'm better than other people but those same people never told me this movie exists. I need to be around different people. I feel like posting here is like social masturbation and it keeps me from finding them.