Thread 211831639

Will someone put Pixar out of their misery?

Fuck off chud. You aren't the target audience for Elio.

>>211831639 (OP)
>1/3 of their output has outright flopped and lost hundreds of millions
>6 of the 8 have been in the last 5 years
I'd really love to read something about if studios more or less got a pass on movies underperforming during COVID. it's not like it was their fault, the movies didn't actually get a fair chance in the market

toy story 3, inside out, and coco were the last gasps of pixar. most of that middle row and the entire bottom row is pure bargain bin slop

>>211831639 (OP)
Soul is good.

>>211831639 (OP)
Pixar's fall has been baffling.

>>211831639 (OP)
Soul is alright

>>211831639 (OP)
Cars was the decline

Brave was good.

>>211831639 (OP)
Elemental was actually surprisingly pleasant

>>211831639 (OP)
>the decline
>first movie listed is the best in the image

>>211832040
>>211832069
Soul was great and honestly TS4 gets a lot more hate than it deserves, there was some genuinely great shit in that movie. But yeah everything else in the bottom row is dogshit (presumably, I’ve only seen like 4 of those)

>>211831639 (OP)
How did Pixar defeat the sequel curse with Toy Story 2?

>>211831639 (OP)
All of them are still better than this boring piece of shit

>>211831639 (OP)
I like Soul.

>>211832490
Talent.

inside out 2 was life changing

Pixar is overrated. They peaked with Wall-E.

>>211832521
The Good Dinosaur was not better than KFP2.

>>211832543
lol you’re kidding right? I just watched it a couple days ago after seeing the first, it’s just a boring rehash. The first was pretty great though. Still not even close to peak Pixar.

Golden age ends with Finding Nemo.
Decline ends with Up.
Everything after that is a rotting corpse propped up by Disney to place their side projects in.

>>211832543
ywnbaw

Luca and Turning Red aren't bad. They are only hated here because of /pol/ brainrot. Most of "the fall" movies are okay. There's little difference in terms of quality between the decline and the fall. I would even say that overall the decline era is worse than the current era (two bad Cars sequels, pointless or just bad sequels to Monster inc., Finding Nemo and Incredibles).

>>211831639 (OP)
Toy Story 3 had the best opening sequence of any of the Toy Story movies. The best ending too.

Just like DreamWorks, Pixar is at their best when creating original movies. I don't pay much attention to their sequels, prequels or spin-offs.

Up isn't good

>>211832721
Toy Story 3 opening and ending were just glib fascimiles of 2's

How come when Pixar makes a coming-of-age film about a human boy, the title is his name, but when they make one for a human girl, the title is something else?

>>211832911
Because Luca and Elio are "marketable" names like Hulu and Tubi, nobody would watch a movie called "Riley" or "Mai".
People will watch something called "Moana" but "Elsa" is a shit title. "Shrek" is an interesting name that piques curiosity, "Woody" is not.

The decline started with the sequels. Cars always felt like a side-project, but after Monster University I knew it was over. The creative well ran dry.

>>211831639 (OP)

> Inside Out 2 "Fall"

Op are you mentally challenged?

> "Inside Out 2" has been a massive box office success, becoming the highest-grossing animated film of all time. It has grossed over $1.698 billion worldwide.

>Soul and Inside Out 2 are the only good films on the bottom
holy grim

>>211833054
For me it's Incredibles (the great side project) opening the floodgates to shitty human melodrama movies.

>>211833161
Yeah Indians and Chinese love that shit

>>211832620
It gave me the courage to transition

>>211832040
>>211832069
>>211832434
>>211832537
>>211833171
Soul is terrible. Blatant Presbyterian predestination propaganda. Miss me with that lack of free will shit

>>211833161
>if it made a lot of money it must be good

>>211832813
it's not, just watch the opening and then turn it off lol

>>211833299
I hate Soul for how fucking lazy and bland it is. Could have been a very interesting movie instead it's Inside Out 1.5

>>211833161
wow, put it right up there with Twilight and Avatar.

Remember when Pixar was small enough to travel their main team all over the world to research their movies? I bet that shit doesn't happen anymore

I dont like any pixar movie that has black/mexican lead characters cause 9 times out of 10 it sucks. People are too pussy to admit it. All these youtube videos about Elio bombing and not one of them points out the main reason. Its the character, why would anyone want to watch it? People want to escape when they watch these things. I cant wait till Chinks steamroll Disney and take their gloves off and gives the audience what they want. That's the only way to beat Disney.

>>211833501
Yikes.

>>211831639 (OP)
Why is Toy Story 3 not in the golden age?

>>211833319

> But I didn't like it and that's what counts!
> Makes a pouty face like a spoiled little girl

Sorry, but the entire planet disagreed with you.

Lightyear is one of the most baffling productions ever
>You know that side protagonist from toy story? What if he had an in-universe origin movie that the toy is based on except it looks and feels like a netflix show from 2023

>>211833501
>I dont like any pixar movie that has HUMAN lead characters cause 9 times out of 10 it sucks. People are too pussy to admit it. All these youtube videos about Elio bombing and not one of them points out the main reason. Its the character, why would anyone want to watch it? People want to escape when they watch these things.
Ftfy

>>211833563
Its the fucking truth, the talking animals are more believable than the DEI included main characters, its like an uncanny valley. That's the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about, its like you guys hit everything but the main reason as to why Disney sucks. Once AI gets more advanced we will make our own films and then Disney will have no choice but to either adapt or fuck off.

>>211833620
>make $1,402,809,540
>be the biggest piece of shit imaginable

How long until people realize Up was trash. The short at the beginning is decent albeit emotionally manipulative, but the rest of the movie in venezuela is pure retardation. The villian, dogs, squirrels, and boy scout were poorly written and lackluster characters.

>>211833760
People don't waste their money on trash dumbass

>>211833703
>one of the most baffling productions ever
It's really not that complicated.
>Disney wants to milk Toy Story
>they force out Toy Story 3 to milk the brand
>force in a new cast of toys to be used in made for TV Toy Story shorts to further milk the brand
>force out Toy Story 4 to further milk the brand
>"oh no, it took people 9 years to realize we are milking Toy Story, we have to hold off on 5"
>"Let's make a Buzz movie, maybe we can milk that character with side content"
Toy Story ended with 2.

>>211833703
Like this perfect example here, id maybe want to watch it if it were not for those 3 UGLY spare tires that dont belong. I want to escape when I watch these things, not be reminded of the hell hole we live in.

>>211833825
I hated Up from the moment I saw it in theaters up until I watched it for the third time last year. It's okay, if it were just the old man finding the bird for his dead wife it could have been a classic simple story.

>>211831639 (OP)
I repeatedly forget that onward was a thing.

>>211831639 (OP)
>that blissful childhood feel of going to see every pixar movie upon release and knowing you're going to get quality

>>211832521
Tai Lung was too good, kf2 just had a bad villain.

>>211833735
Yikes.

>>211831639 (OP)
Toy Story
Toy Story 2
A Bugs Life
The Incredibles
Monsters Inc
Brave
Up
Luca
Wall E
Finding Nemo
Soul
Toy Story 3
Inside Out
Ratatouile
Coco
Toy Story 4
didnt see the rest

>>211833933
seeing this in theaters with my older brother was my personal 9/11

Yea I'm getting tired of ugly characters whether its a cartoon or not. Why do they have to harass us with ugliness? We get it exists in the world, but I don't need my head up a cows butt to know what shit looks like.

>>211834118
never forget what they took away from us

>>211831639 (OP)
Elemental is easily an 8/10. Super underrated.

>>211833607
cos it's shit

I remember the audience cheering

>>211834150
As far as one can go back with Disney they've always been anti ugly up until recently. They would portray the hero and heroine as being very attractive and the villain as ugly. They now want to rewrite all of this, good is bad, bad is good bullshit. I aint buying it.

>>211834302
>They would portray the hero and heroine as being very attractive
>smug Dreamworks face, but white and blonde

>>211831639 (OP)
>Toy Story 3
>Decline

>>211834356
it's literally just a prison escape film that dangles Childhood Thing in front of your eyes at the end to convince you that you watched something more thought-out

>>211834356
overrated because of the near death scene and it takes too many story beats from 2.

this was good

>>211833735
>Once AI gets more advanced we will make our own films and then Disney will have no choice but to either adapt or fuck off.

It's what's now happening with video games. Who would have known having pretty characters would bring in more money/audience. Its why Pragmata is coming out, and once all these studios gets to see what kind of $$$ it will bring simply for having a pretty character, all other studios will follow and leave these studios with their ugly characters n the dust. What is happening in the videogame industry will soon happen in the movie industry, its just going to take much longer for that to happen. Seriously, why would anyone watch some DEI bullshit cartoon when I can have perfect characters, if I wanted realism id go sit at a bus stop or something.

>>211834782
>muh ugly characters
You guys are so shallow I doubt you're even white.

>>211834699
Luca? more like PUKER!

>>211834356
Toy Story 3 is a cashgrab by Disney that was literally forced onto Pixar with the threat of "if you don't throw some slop together, WE WILL."
It's a shitty rehashed movie that made milennial manchildren cry, and thus is praised as the best ever.

The round face is very off putting reminds me too much of the Grubhub dancing ad and is no longer appealing. I don't think kids even like it

>>211832031
I wanted so bad to like Brave, but it wasn't good.

>>211834929
That's just the thing though, even ugly people don't want to see ugly characters. I sure as hell don't. These people are nothing but culture warriors. Beauty is and ugliness is like water, let it flow naturally, not try to rehabilitate villains.

>>211834782
> if I wanted realism id go sit at a bus stop or something.
Most people have to look at ugliness and filth every day at their jobs. We turn to animation for escapism. And we don’t want our escapism to be filled with raceless and genderless blobs.

Pixar was never good

>>211834356
TS3 is good but there can be good movies in the decline, just as there can be average movies in the golden age. Nobody seriously thinks Cars is a 10/10.

>>211836562
Because Cars is 11/10. Its the greatest sports film of all time.

>>211835245
Brave is unironically one of those movies that's so specific to a certain group of people it has no appeal outside of that group. As a Scot I loved it, but I can see why it's considered mid by everyone else.
I wish Disney made more like that movie personally.
>>211835142
>I don't think kids even like it
These movies aren't even made for kids or families, they're literally made by and for milennial manchildren from California.
>>211834699
It's a great movie overall but the character design is revolting.
Frankly I'm very interested in Pixar's next Italian-themed movie, which is going to be the first hand-painted Pixar movie and the first oil-painted animated film since Loving Vincent.
>>211834354
>but white and blonde
This part is very important.
>>211834266
Why does she not just die the second she touches him, that'd be a far more interesting angle.
>>211833933
I remember watching Up and Wall-E in theaters after having religiously watched all the other Pixar films, those were some defining childhood movie memories along with watching Studio Ghibli movies from Redbox and eating ramen on rainy spring days (my Mom is an artfag and a /film/ buff).

>>211831639 (OP)
cars 3 sucked, cars 2 was kino though

>>211833908
I only remember it for the dyke cop
>>211833825
Growing Up is realizing the rest of Up was great too.

>>211833703
>except it looks and feels like a netflix show from 2023
I think this was the most retarded part. If they made it look and feel exactly like Buzz Lightyear from Star Command but CG it would've been great and potentially a hit, but the writers just had to trauma dump all over it and make it all shitty and gross-looking.

>>211833706
This, but unironically. Incredibles is the exception.
>>211833161
>highest-grossing animated film of all time
Ehehe

>>211832069
I love Soul only because I was a band kid in High School and the film was 100% perfect in depicting the life, worldview, and mannerisms of a band teacher.

>>211831639 (OP)
Soul, Coco and Inside Out are better than A Bugs Life, Ratatouille and Cars.

>>211836940
I just checked and this thing made almost $1.9 billion in China alone. Even with their population that's a lot of viewings. What's the average ticket price in China?

For me it’s finding Nemo #1 movie of all time

>>211837053
>bait

>>211837108
>What's the average ticket price in China?
30 to 50 yuan, 4 to 7 dollars.

>>211837053
Soul, Coco, and Inside Out should be Dreamworks movies

>>211831639 (OP)
I'll forever be pissed they didn't use the opportunity of making an Incredibles 2 that happens 10/15 years after the first movie like IRL so they could focus on grown-ups Violet and Dash, and Jack-Jack that begins mastering his powers. We could have seen them saving their retired parents and have the whole fucking family team-up for the finale And instead they shat out something that happens right after the first movie with a role reversal gimmick. At least Helen was hot in it, but it was painful seeing Bob's humiliation ritual like in so many western movies where the dad is a chump and it's the mom that basically holds and does everything.
>>211832031
The decline really started after Toy Story 3, methinks. Sure, you could argue some early signs of decay could be found, I guess, but it still offers a great ending to the cast, and they too a huge dump on it with the fourth one. Such a shame.

>>211836940
These aren't authentic cinema goers though, its chyna numba 1 propaganda shit where bug people buy 100 tickets to make it the best ever.

>>211837189
>he thinks a Bugs life is good

>>211833161
You should know by now that success at the BO =/= quality.

>>211837476
Incredibles 2 should have come out in 2008

>>211837546
>thinking movie that shows the proletariat have the power to overthrow their oppressors is bad
capitalist scum

>>211831639 (OP)
Elio is similar to Luca to me; no exceptional, but solid. It's one of those movies years down the road a Pixar completionist will come across and say "oh, I haven't heard of this one" and will be pleasantly surprised. They'll watch it once and leave it. Lightyear wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said. Elemental was clearly race bait, but the best message in it was the father/daughter relationship, which reminded me of early Pixar relationships.

Onward, Soul, & Inside Out 2 were all better than Cars 2, the Good Dinosaur, Cars 3, and Incredibles 2.

>>211837506
>its chyna numba 1 propaganda shit where bug people buy 100 tickets to make it the best ever
There are tons of movies like that made by China (Lake Changjin and Wolf Warrior for example), but the big reason why Ne Zha is so popular in China is because it's not an overtly political film series at all; it's all about adapting traditional Chinese literature and folklore onto the big screen while borrowing some fight scenes from manga. It's entirely removed from that political context which is a big reason why normie Changs love it.
As somebody who has seen both of the Ne Zhas as an anti-communist White American without a Chinkette gf, I can 100% say they are good movies on their own merit (especially the second one, which blows the merely adequate first out of the water and is one of the most visually impressive CG animated films I've ever seen). The second one was very good and I see why it became so massive; because it really is a sputnik moment for Western CG animation studios who are stuck either making awful beanmouth slop or doing that played-out low-framerate Spiderverse thing.

>>211837125
Nemo was the first kino I ever watched, my Mom watched it in theaters while I was in the womb.

>>211837125
My all time favorite animated movie as well. I may have to rewatch it tonight.

>>211835245
Brave felt like a tech demo for hair and then they never used that tech ever again

Brave isn't too bad. People just were expecting more than a mother/daughter story

>>211832040
Soul is a complete ripoff of Heaven Can Wait/Down to Earth. If they leaned more into the jazz and less into basically Vanellope it could have been better. Also, main guy is a dick and deserved nothing.

>>211838029
>and is one of the most visually impressive CG animated films I've ever seen)
lol what, it looks like a Playstation cutscene for Final Fantasy

puss in boots 2 has a far better style

>>211839160
I thought the same thing judging from stills until I watched it out of morbid curiosity (usually about once a year I try to watch a new Bollywood or other foreign movie from a thirdie country to see what's going on over there when something huge blows up).
There's this scene near the end where there's literally thousands of individually made human models fighting a war in heaven while damning thousands of unique and individually created monsters to hell inside of a giant pot that I would argue is one of the all-time best scenes in any animation.

I watched Cars 2 thinking it was Cars 1 and liked it.

>>211832813
>Up isn't good
It really isn't.

The opening sequence is such manipulative drivel.

>>211840901
Better than a whole movie of manipulative drivel

>>211834699
This was pretty good. It felt rushed (typical kids movie problem), and the merman thing didn't do anything new with the concept. It also had a very bizarre ending and confused symbolism that felt like a product of internal creative differences.

However, for what little time it had for the characters to breathe, it was slice-of-life kino

>>211833760
>>be the biggest piece of shit imaginable
Agree. An unbelievable and tedious heap of shit.

>>211834699
I genuinely can't stand the designs at all, stilted as fuck. But I also hate Italians so that's probably why I couldn't watch this one for longer than twenty minutes

>>211841618
You should check out Porco Rosso if you want animated kino set in Italy

>>211831639 (OP)
When they started using the anti-soul CalArts style was the point of no return.

>>211841763
>a fucking pig
I'm good G

>>211841825
>pig
It's supposed to be an allegory for WWI injuries (it's set in Fascist Italy)

>>211841825
Better a pig than a fascist

>>211831639 (OP)
Move all the decline into the fall and retitle it shit and I agree

>>211841825
It's an allegory for American expats

>>211842217
That's Curtis

>>211839116
Vanelope is a shit character that weighs down the film.
Just like in real life snow hoes weigh down real niggas from their true potential.

>>211841822
I don't really get this take. Luca and Alberto have way more soul than the asian kid from Up, for instance

>>211843711
>Luca and Alberto have way more soul than the asian kid from Up, for instance
They both look like generic Steven Universe background characters while Russell has comically exaggerated features and an actually distinctive wardrobe, seriously how tf did Milennials delude themselves into thinking that artstyle is high art

>>211843831
It's almost like a main character should be human and grounded rather than a caricature

>>211843917
>human and grounded
>calarts
8/10 bait.

The incredibles still feels like the new pixar movie to me lol

>>211843981
Nobody said anything about calarts schizo.
>B-but muh beanmouth

>>211837476
>The decline really started after Toy Story 3
Sure Toy Story 3 was a good film in and of itself, but the very fact that it's a "3" is why it's included in the decline.

>>211833826
yes they do
there are islands of pollution in the ocean because people cant stop buying junk

>>211843711
Don't talk shit about Russel anon
That lil nigga had soul

Luca and Alberto have soul, but I would agree that the CalArts style isn't the greatest

>>211844101
You were the one explicitly stating you prefer the look of Luca over Up, the style of which is often referred to as "CalArts" both derogatorily and neutrally.
Also in the case of Pixar "CalArts" makes literal sense given that's where Pixar and Disney scout for talent (it was literally designed for that in the 1960s and partially founded by Walt).

>>211831639 (OP)
>rewatch up: it's woke
>rewatch toy story: it's woke
>rewatch ratatouille: it's woke
>rewatch cars: it's superfascist kino

>>211844252
You don't have an eye for art. When you see pic related, your brain scans the image for bean-shaped mouths, and if it detects one it decides that the image is Calarts and therefore bad. Your level of art critique could be achieved by a neural network with 1000 parameters, less than the intelligence of an ant

I'm a father with a 6 year old daughter and a 3 year old son. My kids "should" be the target demographic for these movies and my household driving merchandise sales, but I just can't trust Disney not to slip radical left political message into their films, so we don't go. By the time a few weeks have passed and I've learned by word of mouth that a specific movie doesn't have a political message and it is okay to let me kids see, it isn't in theaters anymore or my kids just don't care. Facebook knows I'm a father so I often get posts from "fan" pages for these kinda films recommended to me, seeing the fucking disney adult losers who ramble on about their head-canon fan-fiction about gay relationships between the characters in these movies (inside out 2 for example), is also a big reason I don't want my kids watching these films

That and I experience a visceral gut reaction when I see the 3d bean mouth calarts animation style.

>>211844430
>don't trust your lying eyes

Ratatouille is my favorite

is it your favorite?

>>211844430
>simple problems aren't problems becaus they're easy to identify
what?

>211844430
Even without the mouth this is an irritating fucking design and frame
>giant eyes with dilated pupils that take up a third of the head because these hacks have no idea how to express genuine emotion without them, even most anime have smaller eyes
>photorealistic backgrounds, cloth, and hair clashing but not favorably contrasting with the smooth cartoon bodies
>oversized round head on a noodly body
You're obviously some /co/fag baiting, but if not I highly recommend you watch picrel if you want to see how to effectively do all the shit the CalArts stuff always fails to do.

>>211845007
>giant eyes with dilated pupils that take up a third of the head because these hacks have no idea how to express genuine emotion without them, even most anime have smaller eyes
His eyes are standard fare and are on the larger side to convey youth, innocence, and enhance the expressiveness of the character. See pic related, this is nothing new for children's media.
>photorealistic backgrounds, cloth, and hair clashing but not favorably contrasting with the smooth cartoon bodies
Bad eye. That's not photorealistic at all, it's physically based rendering but heavily stylized geometry and materials
>oversized round head on a noodly body
Yes, that is the design of the 13 year old boy character. It's evocative of the awkward stage of adolescence and fits the character to a T

>>211844829
Read em and weep

>>211833825
I'm so sorry your soul has died before you did.

>>211845970
funny because Soul is an even worse movie. death to calvinists

>>211844829
Read em and weep

>>211846262
Very cool, but that's nothing. See this

>>211846113
What are your thoughts on Coco?
>211845226
>enhance the expressiveness of the character
I'm saying it does so to an obnoxious extent to where it detracts and distracts from the rest of the character, who has a boring design.
>That's not photorealistic at all
>heavily stylized geometry and materials
Fucking where nigga, to me and anyone else watching it looks like a generic irl castle and seashore with no personality or soul whatsoever. I've seen Latvians in blender do physically based renderings for backgrounds with far more style and soul than anything Pixar has made in the past 5 years.
>that is the design of the 13 year old boy character
That's every character in these shitty movies, they're either noodle armed Finn clones or they have the stocky, blobby Steven Universe build.

If this is really what they're teaching down at American arts colleges we might as well throw in the towel.

>>211846670
i never saw Coco bc it looked like slop for rootless american mestizos. no one else celebrates day of the dead outside a few towns in the south of mexico

>>211833389
>Inside Out 1.5
People said this since the movie was announced and I just don't see it. How is it similar to Inside Out in any way?

>>211831639 (OP)
I liked Soul :)

>>211846262
>Wall-E is S tier
opinion discarded, Wall-E is a B- at best

>>211847199
t. exposed fatty

>>211836940
Based fatcsanon

>>211846971
>looked like slop for rootless american mestizos
The "FUCK YOU DAD" trope that intiated the plot pissed me off and the fakelore was a bit on the nose, but overall I think it's very good as a film. It has some of the last genuinely impressive, stylized, and imaginative settings in a Pixar film while the music is great too, and the themes of remembering and honoring your ancestors and your family are timeless as well; but I definitely get Mexicans that post picrel whenever it's mentioned lol.
I don't think it's offensive given it doesn't have any fag shit or CalArts designs in it, nor does it negatively depict Mexico or Mexicans in a cliched manner.
Frankly, I think Nacho Libre is much better on every level.

>>211834699
Eww beanmouth
Even going past that, I do not get the love for this movie. The characters aren't anything special, and the story is generic

>>211847199
>>Wall-E is S tier
>opinion discarded

The fall is because John Lasseter was removed after Incredibles 2. He was the main brain behind everything.

Golden Age was great, have seen them all countless times.
Decline is underrated, many of those films were enjoyable and in the same Pixar spirit as the Golden Age, just sort of unoriginal.
Of the Deline, I've never seen Monsters U, Brave, Good Dinosaur, and Cars 3.
Of the Fall I've only seen Toy Story 4 and Soul, both of which were abysmal, significantly worse than any film in the decline.

>>211847409
am I really the only one who thinks this movie gets boring as fuck as soon as the robots get onto the spaceship

The only memorable thing about the Up villain is his death
https://youtu.be/XQ2wqj_VbJ4?feature=shared

>>211847538
It's an increasingly common revisionist milennial take, just like "Up becomes shit after Russell" or "Toy Story 3 sucks"

>>211847274
so easy to tell when it's a linux poster. font sucks

>>211831639 (OP)
Onward wasn't that bad. Just need to edit out the entire mom B-plot.

>>211847667
>common revisionist milennial take
why did you do this to your brain

>>211847725
I read too much

>>211833825
It's cute. Reminds me of Hey Arnold and Toy Story, has an odd charm to it. Old man at the end of his life having one final adventure.

>>211833884
It's better as an adult

>>211834041
Toy Story 2
Toy Story
Inside Out
Wall-e
Up
Toy Story 3
Cars 2
A Bug's Life
Finding Nemo
Monsters Inc.
Finding Dory
Cars
Incredibles 2
Incredibles
Coco
Ratatouille

>Gap
Toy Story 4

>even further gap
Soul

>>211847601
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_cCqRnaD2M

>>211844829
Ratatouille got me into cooking as a hobby and entering cooking evening school, it portrays the joy of cooking so lovingly more than any other movie

>>211831639 (OP)
The decline was with Cars
its a good movie
but its a fucking hunk of shit if the lase movie you saw was Incredibles 1

>>211833054
>The decline started with the sequels.
I never liked Toy Story 2 and only as an adult did I find out it's because half of it is just references, the other half is really bad direct-to-video quality.
The manufactured bloopers reel in the credits is incredibly corporate.
And most of the people working on it were the same as 1's.

Reminder that it was better than A Bug's Life
https://youtu.be/IwAnlORKPYc?si=ixsv0-E5HOrnZF6K

>>211848564
you don't have to convince me

>>211847667
>things people said the day it came out
>revisionist

>>211836809
>milennial manchildren
Isn't it still Gen X working the entire industry with a boomer deathgrip?

>>211844829
I have to go with the Incredibles

>>211847538
Eh?
I thought that was everyone's opinion?

For some reason I remember the ancient videos of the humans talking about evacuating looking like real people and being disappointed when they showed up and were just cartoons.
My child brain didn't like the ship captain being useless and thought it was really dumb when he said they'd grow pizza plants, especially when they had literally one plant to seed Earth with.

>>211836809
>I remember watching Up and Wall-E in theaters after having religiously watched all the other Pixar films, those were some defining childhood movie memories along with watching Studio Ghibli movies from Redbox and eating ramen on rainy spring days (my Mom is an artfag and a /film/ buff).
based, I think my first one was Monster's Inc, I may have seen Toy Story 2 though.

>>211848708
>Isn't it still Gen X working the entire industry
Yes, but Milennials are primarily the ones working on and consuming these films even if they're under the leadership of Gen-Xers while the heads of the studios are boomers. They're the ones in the writers rooms, storyboards, HR, and consultancy firms.
>>211848683
>>things people said the day it came out
They were things people here said when they came out, now those takes are pretty common especially among milennials.
>>211848564
Obviously, doesn't mean A Bug's Life is shit though, they're entirely different films.

>>211834101
I never even watched Up desu, Wall E was the last one I saw in theaters

>>211849064
>now those takes are pretty common especially among milennials
have you ever considered it's because they're not ten-years-old anymore

>music by Thomas Newman
One reason why Finding Nemo stands out is because it was the first Pixar movie that didn't have Randy Newman as the composer

>>211848708
millenial manchildren made boomers endorse all that "progressive" horseshit

>>211849064
antz is a b tier woody allen movie
bugs life is a C tier magnificent 7

>>211849177
>have you ever considered it's because they're not ten-years-old anymore
I have, because they haven't watched the movie since they were young and base their revisionist opinion of it off of a combination of fuzzy recollections and whatever /tv/, letterboxd, or reddit tells them to think instead of just rewatching it.
I find up relatively recent rewatch that these movies have actually aged a lot better than people give them credit for, especially when compared to nu-Pixar.
>>211849201
For me, it's Michael Giacchino.

Still undefeated.

>>211849288
That's not Pixar

>>211831639 (OP)
>have you ever considered it's because they're not ten-years-old anymore
I have, because they haven't watched the movie since they were young and base their revisionist opinion of it off of a combination of fuzzy recollections and whatever /tv/, letterboxd, or reddit tells them to think instead of just rewatching it.
I found out upon relatively recent rewatches that these movies have actually aged a lot better than people give them credit for, especially when compared to nu-Pixar.
>>211849201
For me, it's Michael Giacchino.

>>211831943
Covid was the golden age for streaming. Just put the stuff on Disney Plus.

>>211849177
>have you ever considered it's because they're not ten-years-old anymore
I have, because they haven't watched the movie since they were young and base their revisionist opinion of it off of a combination of fuzzy recollections and whatever /tv/, letterboxd, or reddit tells them to think instead of just rewatching it.
I found out upon relatively recent rewatches that these movies have actually aged a lot better than people give them credit for, especially when compared to nu-Pixar.
>>211849201
For me, it's Michael Giacchino.

It's genuinely depressing. The old Pixar movies aren't even something that only kids would want to watch, they were fantastic movies that are almost timeless.

You can't say the same about anything past 2010, it's all just mediocre, forgettable slop. The moment they started making sequels outside of toy story is when their downfall really accelerated.

They really made a mistake with Cars 2. This is nothing like the first movie
https://youtu.be/LaqhVdJ0orA?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/B1m43KPeqUA?si=iJKtwrKWudKpDxjg

>>211831639 (OP)
>>211846262
People are a bit too negative on the middle portion. I think they're okay

>>211832543
>inside out 2 was life changing
-ly bad!!

Reminder that the tard who made racemixing flop Elementals is now in charge of making Incredible 3
Violet gonna be blacked lol

>>211849064
>They're the ones in the writers rooms, storyboards, HR, and consultancy firms.
I'm flicking through some Pixar stuff and it's still Gen X.
In fact there are more foreign born Gen X Americans working on things than Gen Y. Literally picking people from another country because they're not under a certain age limit even if they're an entirely wrong cultural fit (or rather, check the early life section, that explains some of them).

I'm still surprised that some things weren't concocted by boomers. I assume that's why Gen X is still in charge - they started the ball rolling whilst boomers were looking the other way which might mean it'll not be until Gen Alpha anyone else gets to share an easy job and easy money.

>>211849208
Millennials made boomers retarded progressives before millennials were born?
Millennials own businesses that want feminism for wage depreciation?
Manchildren in general are even aware what abortion is?
Millennials drafted gay marriage bills?
Shit, just look at the Matrix and its transgender creators. Boomers.

>>211847675
I can just download new fonts anon

>>211837891
I seen it today and I did like the Terminator 2 reference and I wasn't expecting that at all.

Colette Tatou

>>211849401
>they haven't watched the movie since they were young and base their revisionist opinion of it off of a combination of fuzzy recollections and whatever /tv/, letterboxd, or reddit tells them to think instead of just rewatching it
That's very tragic, but that has fuck all to do with the material of a criticism. Most people will be more favorable when reviewing a Pixar movie just because Pixar has (or had) great branding. Why are their positive reviews of the film not equally bullshit? How can I be sure they aren't just parroting what everyone else was saying while walking out of the theater? It just seems kind of like a weird cope, I don't think most people are watching critical breakdowns of Pixar movies

>>211848386
but they made billions from the merchandise for cars and continue to make billions. kids aren't buying incredibles figures like they do lightning mcqueen cars

>He’s not weak, you know
>What?
>Valuing life is not weakness
>Oh, hey. Look, look, if you’re talking about what happened in the containment unit, I had everything under control
>And disregarding it is not strength
>I called his bluff, sweetheart, that’s all. I knew he wouldn’t have it in him to actually-
>Next time you gamble, bet your own life

Incredibles still holds up

>>211847270
The undead world from Coco is literally the right half of the pic tho

>>211849757
I laughed out loud at that part. It was terrifying for those security officers. The thumbs up was perfect for movie fans.

>>211831639 (OP)
Is Elio actually a comedy like Emperor's New Groove?

>Put these on. Your identity is your most valuable possession. Protect it. And if anything goes wrong, use your powers
>But you said never to use-
>I know what I said!... Remember the bad guys on those shows you used to watch on Saturday mornings? Well, these guys are not like those guys. They won’t exercise restraint because you’re children. They will kill you if they get the chance. Do not give them that chance

>>211833825
It's alright, not as good as I remember but still pretty fun

>>211831639 (OP)
It's been over 20 years and pixar still hasn't made a better movie

>>211849991
>>211851496
>>211851819
>:the incredibly overrated
If I wanted capeshit or fleshie character drama I would watch literally any other studio

>old is good, new is bad
fucking retards. how about u stop watching movies for kids, you man child. fuck, are all millenials stunted children?

>>211851916
there are no capes in incredibles

>>211851979
yeah, pretty much this, I loved seeing Up in theaters as a kid, and as an adult the film is just okay. I think Elio is something I probably would've enjoyed in the same vain

>>211850917
Yeah but the parts in Mexico were the left half
>>211849991
Incredibles had no right to be as good as it was
>>211851916
>If I wanted capeshit or fleshie character drama
What makes The Incredibles great is that unlike every post-2008 Superhero movie it effectively combines both, the action and dialogue mog almost everything capeshit since.
Hell, it brutally mogs Fantastic 4 so much it basically retroactively killed it.

>>211852005
ehehe
>>211851979
>are all millenials stunted children
https://jacobin.com/2024/01/adulting-middle-age-millennials-boomers

>>211833706
>Athletic, intelligent little white girl
Vs
>tubby friendless mexican sperglord
Human protagonists can work.

>>211847538
Nostalgia Critic made the same comment in his latest video

>>211833703
>>211836901
It was more like Pixar management wanted to try and bury all memory of the Star Command cartoon because even without Lasseter being around, they're still asshurt about the show representing the one time Disney made Pixar shit without their creative input.

I genuinely dislike most of Pixar's output. Except for Inside Out 1 and 2. Absolutely brilliant films in every way.

>>211849916
>but dey be securin da bag wit sellin merchandise yo!
that doesnt make the movie any less mediocre or those fucking SHIT sequels any better you obtuse faggot retard

>>211840901
opening scene of up be like:
https://youtu.be/hOjT1rXL7Es?si=aaJAEeNGLWfA_8Zn

>>211831639 (OP)
Inside Out 2 is fantastic, while Turning Red is underrated.

>>211853375
inside out 2 was just a rehash of the first movie. its the exact same plot

>>211831639 (OP)
Born in 1990. I watched everything in top row except finding Nemo (seems overrated by fags and women) and Cars, and from the bottom two rows I’ve only seen Toy Story 3&4 and incredibles 2. Am I actually missing anything. Everything I did watch seemed great, except for a bugs life and maybe rattatoiue which r both still solid

>>211852959
I haven't watched Doug Walker in a decade, dumb nigger. The universe exists well outside of your tiny, tiny frame of reference

>>211854013
finding nemo is a pretty basic story but the visuals at the time were unreal

>>211852005
Got that from Watchmen, Dollar Bill and the revolving door

>>211854034
Anon was probably agreeing with you, dude. Who's the nigger now

>>211831639 (OP)
>there are people who disliked Inside Out 2
Holy contrarianism.

Monsters University was good, I will die on this hill

>>211853400
mad online lol

>>211844430
The style is generic, there is little artistic distinction in it. Like mediocre anime, an audience learns to recognize the hackneyed patterns and techniques and recognizes that not much effort was put into making a distinctive, captivating style for the character designs.

I suspect that this is a symptom of design by committee, 3D animation always took a lot of people but early on it was still possible for a head creative to develop something distinct. Now designs must be by the numbers and to a studio bland standard in order for projects to get done on schedule. One way to break out of this rut is to tell stories that don't center on human characters, as that forces novel designs. These demand more time to do however, so you have scripts that may have one or cool designs but everything else being calarts template people (Turning Red being a good example)

>>211854615
>this movie is mid
>but Bro, it sold SOOOOOO many T-shirts

>>211852564
>Human protagonists can work.
Only for women and manchildren

>>211831639 (OP)
Top row still makes the hair stand up for me
Literally every truly great CGI animation movie in a row like that
We had Bug's Life on VHS and I could recite the whole thing
I wonder if Up was a sort of internal swan song by the remaining members of the original staff.

>>211854496
I liked it more than the original

>>211844430
>your brain scans the image for bean-shaped mouths, and if it detects one it decides that the image is Calarts and therefore bad
yes
and it is

>>211831639 (OP)
>the decline
>BRAVE
>Inside Out
Unmitigated successes both financially, critically, and culturally?

>>211854987
>critically, and culturally?

>>211837108
It's the Chinese government buying tickets to prop up its growing cultural empire. No other movie in China has ever performed this well and all of a sudden, out of the blue, it becomes the best selling animated movie of all time, without an international release? Even their patriotic war movies with the US as the bad guy don't sell that well.

>>211855058
Won 4 separate awards for best animated film and is fondly remembered by disney adults and zoomers when they were kids.

>>211855076
>Even their patriotic war movies with the US as the bad guy don't sell that well
>ITS A CONSPIRACY
its almost like chinks arent into jingoistic bullshit and just want a tacky movie to watch

All of them are shit desu

>>211855296
>its almost like chinks arent into jingoistic bullshit
Their shitty comedies don't sell that well either, none of them do.

>it's a conspiracy!
I bet you also think the J-20 is a 5th generation stealth fighter, lmao.

>>211855122
>what if we took out the middle man of having a story and just 2d representation of emotions inside a characters hide
everyone who liked that movie should kill themselves, death is already calling them with such low brain activity

>>211851496
>remember the badguys in children's movies who don't kill the kids no matter how untrained, stupid or weak they are?
>yeah?
>well this is one of them
Pixar has a fetish for being unnecessarily dark in happily ever after stories. I'm glad they rewrote the pilot fucking drowning.
>>211851916
I would let Pixar make capeshit if it was just the first 5 minutes but more of it. Y'know the colorful happy capeshit world where capes are just cheesy heroes? The bit before the "What if someone commits suicide and then the law decides heroes have to pay for property damage and everyone's fucking miserable?"
Why does capeshit always attract f u c k i n g miserable writers?

>>211832543
>dude like anxiety!
perfect movie for man/womanchild disney adults

>>211836940
it was, ne zha came only a few months ago

>>211831639 (OP)
Why is Pixar afraid of doing a dramatic action-oriented story? Even if they just adapted a mythology or something.

>>211831639 (OP)
I think WallE and Up belong on decline.

Idk if ratatouille belongs there but I've never had a strong desire to rewatch it.

>>211831639 (OP)
No image in this site has even been more correct.
And the scary part is that we're one movie away from ending the fall age and entering the bottom of the well age.

>>211837476
I never liked Toy Story 3

>>211838029
>that played-out low-framerate Spiderverse thing.
I first noticed that with Korra.

Why the fuck were they EVER doing that on purpose? I never liked it, and legitimately thought it was a weird budget constraint with computer rendering.

>>211840124
>(usually about once a year I try to watch a new Bollywood or other foreign movie from a thirdie country to see what's going on over there when something huge blows up).
Give us your thirdie recs

>>211840124
>there's literally thousands of individually made human models
If you're talking about what i think you're talking about, the models weren't fully individually created.

People thought they accurately recreated a bunch of individual soldiers, but its more like this.

In ancient China, they crafted a shitload unique hands, unique heads, unique arms, etc and played mix and match so no two models were ever identical but some might have identical hands, or identical faces with everything else different.

>>211856006
Same, I was not opposed to a movie about Andy growing up since this was established as a real problem that would one day arise back in movie 2, but the execution is complete ass, the movie puts zero focus on this and instead goes on a pointless tangent about a shitty daycare run by an evil retard bear, so by the end we just have to see Andy give all of the main characters, including a prized family heirloom (Woody), away to some cunty bitchy spoiled twat girl from the neighborhood with no insight into his thought process, and knowing how shitty she is to them in the fourth movie is just the cherry on top of the shit sundae, it's like they just expect you to like this Bonnie cunt because she's a poow wittle girl and put no actual fucking effort in making her likeable at all.

>>211853375
>Incredibles 1 F tier
>incredibles 1 worse than Lightyear

>>211853400
You're responding to the least important part of this b8 post.

>>211856333
Meant to respond to you.
>>211853964

>>211831639 (OP)
The only people who don't think Soul is based are people that haven't watched it.

>>211853375
>Inside Out AKA Emotions For Toddlers that high.
>Good Dinosaur and Elementshit at the same level as UP.
>Incredibles below Brave, Lightyear and Rag Bitch: The Movie.

>>211856390
My mom thought it was bad because it could confuse kids about death and the afterlife.

then
>what if toys were actually alive
>what if monsters really did live in your closet and powered their society with your screams
>what if bugs has sophisticated societies
>what if a disgusting rodent was a michelin star chef

now
>muh anxiety is really hard
>muh growing up is tough guys
>muh diversity is powerful

>>211856445
Correct, this is the crux between good Pixar movies and bad ones, the good ones usually start out with an outlandish premise and then craft a story around it, the shit ones usually have some whiny millenial moral and then craft some bland calarts blobface shit around it.

>>211856390
I've watched Soul and its bad. Calvinism is a retarded defeatist concept.
>>211856445
trvke

>>211844430
How is the beanmouth art?

>>211831639 (OP)
Walle and Up were the beginning of the decline. They both start strong but go off the rails as they go on.

>>211854696
A lot of word salad and your only critique is it's "generic", which isn't even a critique. Not everything has to be avant-garde to be good.
>>211856901
In english please?

>>211833933
Seeing Incredibles in the theater is one of my earliest moviegoing memories

>>211847667
There are critics who actually said Wall-E was the first animation that deserved a Best Picture nom. I shit you not. People fell HARD for the Wall-E hype.

>>211855687
>afraid
Pixar is very comfortable in the "make women/manchildren cry and they'll call it 10/10" niche

>>211856445
then
>>what if toys were actually alive
>>what if monsters really did live in your closet and powered their society with your screams
>>what if bugs has sophisticated societies
>>what if a disgusting rodent was a michelin star chef
now
>what if humans?
>what if humans, but fire and water?
>what if humans?
>what if humans, but panda?
>what if humans?
>what if humans?

>>211848954
>when they had literally one plant to seed Earth with.
Pay more attention

>>211855687
Brave was that, wasn't it? Idk i never saw it

>>211857495
Nah Brave very quickly turns into "respect your elders" and slapstick

>>211831639 (OP)
Toy Story 3
Brave
Inside Out
And Coco
Are incredible tho

>>211857024
How is the beanmouth art?

>>211857560
>Toy Story 3
Disneyslop
>Brave
Someone swapped "Dreamworks" with "Pixar" on the script and nobody noticed
>Inside Out
Weepy bullshit with horrible story structure
>And Coco
Someone swapped "Dreamworks" with "Pixar" on the script and nobody noticed

>>211848548
>half of it is just references,
Besides 1) zurg saying "I'm your father" and
2) the beginning with the bongo plates that vidya buzz steps on to the tune Thus Spoke Zarathustra, before he falls, what references was this movie riddled with.

I'm not picking up on them as an adult and i have trouble believing you picked up on them as a kid.

>>211851916
>>211855455
I can't even mentally comprehend being contrarian about the fucking incredibles.

>>211851496
>Put these on. Your identity is your most valuable possession. Protect it. That's why today's video is sponsored by Nord VPN....

>>211847667
Its not revisionist.
I felt this way then and I feel it now, and no, I didn't need a youtuber to give me that opinion.

Millennial children, like myself felt this way at the time but didn't have an organized way to express this, bc a bunch of contemporary teens and toddlers werent tiktoking or twittering about our feelings right outside the theater.

The "revisionism" meme is what people say to justify Star Wars The Faggotry Awakens.

>>211853375
Cunnyseur I assume

>>211857971
Pixar was doing experimental shit before they just gave up and did a generic capeshit humoid movie and they immediately got lauded with praise. Look where that got us

>>211854490
It completely retconned the first one in order to justify its existence
>>211855687
Agreed, I found Incredibles and Brave fantastic. I think the big reason is because there's no actual men making these movies anymore given Bird and Lasseter are gone.

>>211838553
Shame the sequel sucked

>>211833827
>Toy Story ended with 2.
The next sequel should have been about prospector and the barbies

1. Toy Story 2
2. Finding Nemo
3. Toy Story
4. The Incredibles
5. Monsters Inc.

>>211858333
I will never understand why people like TS2. It offers absolutely nothing. Even TS3 is better.

>>211834150
What is that fat ugly white woman?
Is that a canceled pixar movie?

>>211858193
>It completely retconned the first one in order to justify its existence
It's called making a sequel.

I am going to watch all of Pixar's catalogue. I just saw Luca and I've already seen a number of their movies. Rolling for what to watch next out of the films I haven't seen
0- Brave
1- MU
2- Inside out
3- Good dino
4- Incredibles 2
5- Toy story 4
6- Soul
7- Lightyear :(
8- Elementals
9- Inside out 2 (will be very confusing)

First reply cancels out my roll if I haven't already started watching

>>211858375
If you watch the first film before, it’s way better. The opening intro, the collector virgin manchild, the scene of woody getting repaired, the airport climax, when somebody loved me scene, Jesse and bulls eye, the villain being a toy.

>>211853239
>they're still asshurt about the show representing the one time Disney made Pixar shit without their creative input.
Any virtue that might lay in such an opinion is blurred and just makes me think the soulless execs at Disney are smarter than the pretentious indiefags at pixar.

>>211837891
>Lightyear wasn't nearly as bad as everyone said.
You can say being "bad" and "disappointing" are different things. Like the exact same screenplay without the buzz lightyear IP would be forgettable but less shitty than Space Chimps or much of contemporary movies. It still wouldn't be worth watching.

>>211833161
I guess Incredibles 2 is good if this is the metric you think success is. Nobody talks about that movie in a kind light.

>>211837861
>watch a movie about a race war
>make it about capitalism
You don't think the circus freaks were trying to pay the bills?

>>211856128
>a weird budget constraint with computer rendering
Almost like it is a budget constraint and directors/animators simply re-branded it as stylization realizing they found a new way to cut corners in an industry with balooning costs.
Reminds me a lot of Xerox-era Disney as a matter of fact.
>>211856128
>Give us your thirdie recs
I watched an Indian Top Gun movie last year where all the pilots were middle-aged, the Maverick character had three thumbs, and the villain was a Dethklok by way of Bin Laden emo Islamist hiding in Pakistan. It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.
>>211856217
>In ancient China, they crafted a shitload unique hands, unique heads, unique arms, etc and played mix and match so no two models were ever identical but some might have identical hands, or identical faces with everything else different.
Oh I get that, I was more talking about the fact that they managed to render more individual, non-recycled models on screen and have them fighting each other than in any other film I've seen, while the massive battles were still really fluid and organic without it just looking like a pile of dolls smacking into each other. It was a really incredible piece of spectacle that I don't think I've ever really seen in an animated film in terms of scale and detail.
>>211857125
In all fairness 2008 was a dogshit year by 00s standards for kino. Frankly I think it has aged very well in a similar way Idiocracy has.
>>211858097
>The "revisionism" meme is what people say to justify Star Wars The Faggotry Awakens.
"Revisionism" means what it means, regardless of whoever uses it or if it is right or wrong. Nobody outside of certain subreddits thinks nu-Wars is good, while 00s Pixar films are still widely praised albeit with more serious discussion about their merits and drawbacks now.

>>211844351
Please explain each interpretation, pretty please

>>211858476
Usually you don't have to completely revise the premise of your franchise if you're making a proper sequel, retard. They invented new emotions when the last film very clearly showed that the emotions were set in stone after childhood and that they encountered new modules and problems they had to operate around like Star Trek.

>>211854925
Source pls

>>211858377
She's a beautiful Scottish maiden you Jeet

>>211831639 (OP)
Cars is the last good pixar movie

>>211831639 (OP)
Up should be on the decline, Toy Story 3 should be om the rise

I dont care about release order and im not googling it. Up is shit

>>211832490
It was a cash grab cause Bugs Life was a flop

Coco was alright. best mpvie sinxe Toy Story 3 by far. Not perfect though

>>211833607
If Up's opening is the only good scene, than the last scene is Toy Story 3 only good scene

luca was good

>>211859048
>Nobody outside of certain subreddits thinks nu-Wars is good
People did and still do praise TFA thinking that if Rian Johnson hadnt fucked it up it would still be good.

>>211859569
Fat white bitches are only appealing to niggers.

>>211858624
Incredible 2 is okay if you hadnt seen incredible 1 in decades.

Hot off the heels of 1, its an unwatchable rehash.

>>211853375
not even good bait

>>211831639 (OP)
The Golden Age ends after the first scene of Up. The rest of that movie is the start of the Decline.

Do you think they make original movies shitty to justify only making remakes? On one hand we hate remakes, but when they make something original, it's also terrible. It's a lose lose

>>211860434
Up was the indication that they were running out of ideas and trying to graft secondhand "pixar magic" onto an unworthy product.

Golden Age ends with Ratatouille
Decline starts with Wall-E and ends with Monsters University
Fall is the rest
Simple as

>>211832040
>>211832069
And Majorian was a pretty good Roman emperor in the 450s but the west was still definitely falling at that time

>>211860141
>still do praise TFA
I haven't met a single one after Rise of Skywalker revealed Abrams had no clothes as a writer/filmmaker.
>>211860308
That's why Merida and the Mom are my beloved

>>211831639 (OP)
Incredibles 2 belongs in Fall.

>>211860911
>I haven't met a single one after Rise of Skywalker revealed Abrams had no clothes as a writer/filmmaker.
If thats true, by your own definition of revisionism "TFA bad" is a revisionist take since normalniggers didn't believe that until later on.

>>211862106
>by your own definition of revisionism "TFA bad" is a revisionist take
It is, I'd just say it's a good revisionist take.

>>211862132
Fair enough.

>>211862132
What are the most interesting revised takes in your opinion?

>>211862187
Some I can think of off the top of my head
>JP III, which was widely considered shit at release is now considered to be a great film and more true to the spirit of the source material than any of the other movies, even if it'll always be the second-best JP movie
>Bayformers now being considered kino instead of dogshit (I still fucking hate these movies but definitely understand why people are kinder to them in retrospect)
>Nicholas Cage movies going from being hated, mocked, and memed to a widely beloved cult phenomenon
>The Wind Rises going from being considered the weakest Miyazaki movie to widely being considered his best or one of his best
>Kingdom Of Heaven going from being seen as a mediocre Gladiator clone to being seen as the last gasp of the traditional epic film
>The Patriot going from being seen as a half-assed Braveheart riff to that of a modern classic worthy of comparisons to Kurosawa's 80s epics
>Tom Cruise's non-Minority Report sci-fi movies (Vanilla Sky, Oblivion, Edge of Tomorrow) being outright flops on release and wrote off as mediocre now being heralded some of the last great original sci-fi films to come out of Hollywood
>Burt Lancaster is now seen as one of the most pioneering leading men ever in hollywood
>Bram Stoker's Dracula going from being considered mediocre pop-slop at release to now being seen as an incredible landmark film and the last great Coppola film
>Rope gaining a strong cult following despite widely being seen as the weakest Hitchcock until recently
>Shia LaBeouf gaining a surprising following among Zoomer cinephiles (I still have no idea why)

>>211831639 (OP)
>Decline
>Toy Story 3
that was actually good, it was the definitive end until they couldn't come up with more ideas and decided to milk it more.