Thread 211908068

>you were going to jerk off to that loli so now you're going to jail.
>I don't care if you didn't actually do it yet you had that tab open and the autistic retard showed me the future of you jerking off.

>>211908068 (OP)
Everything's determined, free will isn't real, no matter what a certain desert nomad schizo says. I'm fine with a system that takes out the trash before it gets to dirty the pavement.

>>211908164
then you need to trust the system isn't lying

>>211908214
I do. And if it is, there was no way to prevent, it was meant to be. In any case, I'm right.

>>211908262
it's retarded to just trust a government has your best interests in mind

>>211908262
People would be abusing the echos to hide their crimes

>>211908068 (OP)

Films like this could use a "demake", i.e. a remake but in the style of older, more dignified, films.

>>211908380
so Blade Runner?

>>211908164
>"I have no free will" he chose to say, exercising the free will which he did indeed have
Determinism is on about the same level of retardation as staring at the sky, seeing with your own eyes that it's blue, and yet still denying that it's blue.
You're exercising your own will constantly, you know this from firsthand experience, and yet you deny it anyway — all just to spite God because you have daddy issues.
Embarrassing.

>>211908068 (OP)
yes that is the moral dilemma of the film

>God gives us free will
>uh no you're not supposed to do that

>>211908164
>I'm fine with a system that takes out the trash before it gets to dirty the pavement.
I've heard this so many times out of the commies for the last ten years. The people who parrot this rhetoric the most often don't realize they wouldn't be one of the card carrying party members who's safe from the purges. We'd all be going up against the wall to be shot for consorting with "the hacker known as 4chan". After everything that's gone down on this site and its sisters, it wouldn't even be a question. If that day ever came, do you think you could honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that the system made the right call?

>>211908552
Nope, you're letting your pride and own biological limitations get the better of you. Humans are literally just machines, they only operate by reacting to input, of a physical, sensorial, logical and/or chemical nature, I say I have no free will because the accumulated circumstances in my life have led me to this realization and the need to affirm it, it couldn't be any other way because it wasn't, and just because the infinitude of circumstances isn't possible to be precisely calculated right now, because they're just so overwhelming, doesn't mean they're not there.

>>211908068 (OP)
>>211908068 (OP)
>>you were going to jerk off to that loli so now you're going to jail.
>>I don't care if you didn't actually do it yet you had that tab open and the autistic retard showed me the future of you jerking off.

I'm sorry...

>>211908771
someone post that reddit sceenshot of reddit commies who think they would be the "teachers, thinkers, artists" of their communist utopian world.

>>211908333
The general public doesn't know about the echoes.

>>211908771
I didn't say I'd be immune. If the system deems me unfavorable, so be it.

>>211908852
yes they do, they had a commercial and all about it.

I wouldn't mind the system if they just sent out warnings and only judged you if you actually did the crime. Like a drone was sent out to broadcast at the right time like
>HEY ANON, WE KNOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO DO IT. DON'T AND YOU WON'T BE ARRESTED

I think it would have an equal success rate.

>>211909016
Yeah but if they did it that's one victim that could've been avoided, imagine if it was your mom that was about to get fatally shot.
>muh appeal to emotion
You are letting people die on the presupposition that implusiveness doesn't trump forewarning, that's a risky thing to do, and you're sure to get the flak from others who would have had it effectively prevented. Some people just lack the reflective skills and some are just so caught up in emotion that they won't hesitate no matter what.

>>211908882
>>anon was guilty of visiting the international board on kohlchan 10 times a day

I was just looking for another board at the downtime... I just wanted to hangout...

>>211908068 (OP)
This system run by actual Nazis would be the best system.

>>211909245
It's better than imprisoning someone who didn't to anything yet. My mom can have her own gun and security system.

>>211909443
But is it? It's possibly someone's life vs someone's freedom, you could even limit the penalties if it's a would-be perpetrator instead of an actual one.

>>211909701
yea murders in a crime of passion/heat of the moment thing can be prevented by just having the would be murderer cool down and think it through. Therapy and such instead of jail for life for something they didn't even do yet.

>>211909807
>can be
You're arguing probability against an irreparable wrong. As I said, the penalites for the would-be criminals could be softened to make up for the "injustice". How many times has someone killed someone else despite the police or anyone else warning them not to? Some people just have nothing to lose, and it's unfeasible to do probabilistic calculations on whether they'll follow up with the initial intent on an individual basis, as the movie has shown these anticipations happen just moments before.

>>211908872
based and bugpilled

>>211910048
bugs are the ultimate lifeform, we should seek to emulate them.

>>211908164
>I can choose to observe some electron going through a matrix
>I change the course of the universe forever
Determinism fags btfo

>>211908068 (OP)
based. death to loli pedo fags

Reminder that Tom's character was stuck in gay jail forever and everything that happens after that with his ex-wife breaking him out and bringing down the system and freeing the precogs was just a dream the stasis-jail thing gave him.

>>211908068 (OP)
The drawings will never be a prosecutionable crime in the United States no matter how much you fags whine and seethe.

>>211908552
Are you honestly saying niggers can choose to control themselves and not chimp out? Blacks existing prove that people are no more than animals.

>>211908552
Dude, people can suffer head injuries and become radically different people. Only a retard believes that humans have control of who and what they are.

>>211908262
>the government never lies and if it does then oh well what are ya gonna do
You british or something?

>>211908164
T. Cern satanic wanker

>>211913310
No wonder nobody talks about this movie.

>>211914610
>Anon thinks of himself as a nigger
I'm white. You wouldn't know what free will feels like when you're an animal.

>>211914610
>Are you honestly saying niggers can choose to control themselves and not chimp out?
Yes, the proof is in all the well-behaved black people raised in majority white suburbs where such chimp-outs are not tolerated.

>people can suffer head injuries and become radically different people
If you're playing a game and I take your controller and break it so that some buttons don't work the same, does that negate your ability to choose which buttons you press? The outcome of pressing those buttons may not be what you expected or wanted, but you still choose which ones you press and when.

>>211915203
A human's actions and behavior are dictated by environmental, biological, and genetic factors. Just because you can say to yourself "I want to do this!" doesn't mean that the intent was not predetermined by antecedental factors.

>>211914486
>Challenge accepted!

>>211908164
determinism breaks down at the quantum level and observations literally change reality at the particle level.

>>211908068 (OP)
>euthanize all pedophiles preemptively
Sounds good to me.

>>211915260
>cancer industry
kek

>>211915246
That's a whole lot of mental gymnastics to deny your own self-evident free will.

>>211915246
>I want to do this
Then what do you call people who choose not to indulge their desires?

>>211915368
Well I mean not JUST the jewish pedophiles but also the white and brown neets who think their brand of pedophilia is based and trad or doesn't count because it's "just pictures" I mean like a full blown extermination regardless of religion or philosophy or ethnicity or culture like basically anyone who fucks someone that is A) under 15 AND B) outside of French rule range of them, just gets mulched, seems pretty fair all things considered

>>211908068 (OP)
>>211908164
I wouldn't mind a pre-crime system if they are required to inform you of your crime before it happens.
If you change your mind, then good. If you still continue to try or kill the man, then you should be arrested.

>>211915246
I was predestined since the beginning of the universe to call you a retarded flaming faggot.
You are a retarded flaming faggot.

>>211915464
They can just predestine what your response will be since they are also predestined to inform you
They can also predestine how and when they will kill you

>>211915464
They should check the future where the person got the warning and still did the murder.

I jerk off to bara. It's only a picture of a large naked muscular man so I'm not gay