Jurassic: $750m
Superman: $900m
Fantastic Four: $600m
These movies will cannibalize each other, no one is making a billion this summer

i have capeshit fatigue

>>211919933 (OP)
Slop

>>211919933 (OP)
Fantastic four is absolutely making more than Superman, it’s the last mcu film before the big avengers movie.

shan't be watching neither of 'em

>Superman: $900m
never ever

>>211920005
You're thinking backwards.
It NEEDS to make a lot of money since it's the last MCU movie before Doomsday. The MCU isn't hot anymore, this brand has a hard ceiling that OP is actually over forecasting for FF. I assume he's a capefan in general since he's overestimating Superman by about $100m

All trash. We need a new crusades blockbuster instead. Either that or a Cortez Aztec biopic. We’re overdue

> Superman: $900m
> Superman
> The highest
Fuck off Gunnfag. You are trying to shill Gunn's crappy Superman. Yes they will all eat each other's profits but Superman won't get anywhere near 900 million. It will make 300-400 million only along with Fantastic Four. Jurassic will make the most.

>>211920085
>It will make 300-400 million
hi good morning
please sned post thank you

>>211920005
Wasn't Captain Marvel also the last MCU film before a big Avengers movie?

>>211920120
The first one which made a billion yeah, it was between Infinity War and Endgame and was advertised as an important part of understanding Endgame
It's the sequel that bombed

>>211920085
>YOU ARE BLOODY BASTRD TRYING TO SHILL GUNN!!! STOP!!! STOP!!!

>>211920071
Would be kino

>>211920120
Disney bought tickets to inflate the numbers.

>>211920283
I don't buy it, they didn't bother for the sequel. I think Endgame was just that big of a deal

>>211920340
Cinemas everywhere were empty. There is no way in hell that made 1 billion.

>>211919933 (OP)
Borrrrringgg

>>211920110
>>211920211
Notice how Gunnfags immediately call you a Snyderjeet when you call them out on theor bullshit? Its because they know deep down this Superman movie looks like pure CGI slop and they can't justify their bullshit boxoffice numbers. Gunn has never made a 900 million film or billion dollar film. Hell Guardians 3 made less than Guardians 2. Gunnfags know Superman will be a flop.

>>211920225
Kek wtf is this?

>>211920520
It looks like that box of toys we all had: a mess of cool stuff. But that won't work.

>>211920522
go back

>>211919933 (OP)
How the fuck did they make Superman cost 900m and why?

Supes' costume looks barely more expensive than Reeve's and the CGI looks like early 00s slop. Also no way they thought the movie was making over a billion, so why brother?

Should have costed a third of that budget AT MOST.

>>211920688
kek those are box office estimates retardkun
The movie was 200m

>>211919933 (OP)
I'm not sure if Jurassic will do more than Fantastic Four Marvel comes from 2 flops but Jurassic is a new iteration, less family friendly, with Scarjo (40 yo), yes Superman will do more money than both, to me it should go like this:
Jurassic: $450m
Superman: $750m
Fantastic Four: $550m

>>211920740
This is level headed but would also be a brutal summer, and you're more bearish on Jurassic than me by about $100m

>>211919933 (OP)
No fucking way.

Jurassic world will be the highest grossing. They usually do well and this one actually is getting good reviews compared to the previous 3.

Fantastic four will bomb. Even being part of MCU won't save it

This thread is unspeakably pathetic. Are you faggot manchildren
>>211920520
>>211920110
>>211920085
actually fighting over which of your favorite capeshit directors will direct the most profitable version of "man with cape" movie? It's time for you to step back and do some serious thinking about what went wrong in your lives to lead you to this point.

It would be infinitely more respectable if you were just fighting over which superhero is better or something. Is this an American thing? I truly don't understand.
>my favorite capeshit director is better than your favorite capeshit director and we'll settle it with the only thing that matters...box office profits

They spammed cape movies for 20 years I don't think anyone cares anymore, even comic book fans have cooled on them.
Jurrasic Park 27 can fuck off too.

>>211920065
>it's the last MCU movie before Doomsday
I have literally no idea what's going on in MCU and that's a good thing. It's going to be such a fucking mess.

I want new movies. I'd settle for a movie adaptation of a good book. I'm so tired of "franchises" and "cinematic universes", I'd rather they just stopped and made one off quality movies.
Everything is the same now, and it's all slop.

>>211920740
Nobody cares or talks about Jurassic in real life, but when in the theatre people just buy the tickets. Its a safe bet to go watch big dinos on the big screen.

>>211920283
>>211920444
It's 2025 and you guys are still coping.

>>211920936

>>211920740
> yes Superman will do more money than both
Why though? I notice Superfags always say this but never give a reason why? We are in current superhero fatigue where only event superhero films make a shit load of money but Superman is the first movie in a brand new universe that failed before. What makes it seem like it will do so well?

>>211920005
No one cares about the “big Avengers movie” like they did 8 years ago.

>>211920981
It's tracking well, has the highest awareness and interest of any of the three, and isn't connected to a series with a bad track record since it's a reboot

>>211920972
>I wish they make one off movies
>You post a meme about 80's sequel spam
What did he mean by this?

>>211920972
The Omen is trash but otherwise bottom infinitely mogs top.

>>211920522
hi reddo

>>211920005
Spider-Man: Brand New Day will release before Doomsday

>>211921118
is that the one with the redheaded kid from stranger things in it? Is that a redflag or is she good?

>>211921107
>>211920686
I’M NOT A REDDITARD! I’M NOT!

>>211920981
>Why though?
the character is popular and Gunn made a family friendly movie, if I had to pick one it would be that one, I see it as DC's Homecoming.

>>211921170
Yeah, but we still don't know who she is playing.
But Punisher was confirmed to be in it last friday by trades
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/spider-man-brand-new-day-jon-bernthal-1236296073/

>>211919933 (OP)
All making a grand total of $0 from me so who cares

>>211921191
I haven't heard much about Superman and I'm interested in DC characters so shit about comic movies is in my algorithm. Something's fucky with the marketing/social media push. I think it's going to do middling numbers, which for the relaunch title of the new dcu is bad fucking news. Also Mr. Terrific is in it for some fucking reason so that's -5 points right there.

>>211921035
>>211921191
Nobody cares about Superman. He's boring.

>>211920005
nigga nobody cares anymore. most people don't even know which characters are still in the Avengers anymore

>>211920946
Pretty much. Anybody who cared about the plot of Jurassic movies got filtered out sometime around Park 3. They want to see dinosaurs fuck shit up and that’s what the movie promises to deliver. It will beat the other two easily but I don’t think I could put a specific number on it

>>211921315
No one does. I don't think Marvel know. It's a fucking mess.

>>211919933 (OP)
Jurassic: 1 billion
Superman: 850 million
Fantastic 4: 800 million

>>211921315
Ya got Carol Danvers
Sam Wilson
Shang Chi
Shuri
Who's gonna wanna miss this

>>211920520
>>211920085
>gunnfag
is this even a thing? Like yeah people enjoy GOTG and Superman or whatever other capeshit he makes but it's not as if Gunn has this cult following the same way Snyder does.

>>211921277
He is the third most popular character after Spider-Man and Batman, the same shit could be said about the Fantastic Four and they have one of the most popular characters in the comics too, The Thing, to focus on him is the only thing that Marvel had to do to sell the movie to kids.

>>211921384
No shot Bree Larson comes back willingly. She's already done 3 movies with them, unless she's retarded enough to sign a 5 movie deal she's done bro.
If that list is accurate though that's fucking horrendous.

>>211921382
Remove around 150m from each one but yes this is the order.

>>211921429
"Gunnfags" are anyone who wanted Superman to feel like Superman instead of a weird Jesus allegory about the apocalypse

>>211921384
you're trying to be sarcastic but carol and sam and shang are legit great characters and they've already proven to carry movies. shang is probably the best received movie character of the last four years. you're just a faggot. shuri i don't like and she is not as good as chadwick.

>>211921384
isn't thor still alive?

>>211921429
I think he might. A decent amount of people went to see his suicide squad movie despite the first one being dogshit. I think some people still see him as having psuedo-indie credentials too because of his roots at Troma.

>>211920711
>The movie was 200m

>>211921503
>carol and sam and shang are legit great characters
We found the guy who's contributing to the 400m these MCU movies keep making

>>211921484
>"Gunnfags" are anyone who wanted Superman to feel like Superman

>>211919933 (OP)
Going out on a limb and saying so all of them will flop but Jurassic Park will lose the least money. Bonus prediction, they will add more reshoots to Avengers to minimize the role of the FF, if not change large parts of it entirely.

>>211921429
>is this even a thing?
No, nobody gives a fuck about a yes-sir guy that worked at Marvel, he did Super and a bunch of Troma shit nobody ever cared.

>>211921570
You underestimate the power of dinosaurs. Dominion barely had any but that shit still cracked a billion. I’d be surprised if it doesn’t at least break even

>>211921462
I think they'll all juice each other desu

>>211921505
Thor's still alive, he has a daughter now too that will probably never see the light of day again.
Hulk's still alive, has a son that will probably never see the light of day again.
Hawkeye's not coming back because they thought they could stiff the actor for some reason and he told them to fuck off.
They fucked over ScarJo so I doubt she'd come back from the dead either.
RDJ is Doom now so no ironman.
I think Chris Evans said he has no interest in coming back too.

Original Avengers aren't coming back, Marvel ruined it all.

>>211921523
>A decent amount of people went to see his suicide squad movie despite the first one being dogshit.
that movie flopped hard though. not sure I blame Gunn all that much for that since it came out mid-Covid-19 and the first one was fucking awful so it had that baggage.

>>211921641
That's my point though, it did do bad and I won't pretend otherwise. But it did well considering the anchors it had around its neck.

>>211921604
You overestimate the power of this series
Every entry did way worse than the last

>>211921604
Dominion barely made a billion and each JW movie made 300 million less than the last. It's very possible Rebirth won't reach a billie.

>>211921641
the first one had more fanservice, the 2nd was more goreish, to pick Starro was a bad idea too.

>>211919933 (OP)
>cannibalize each other

>>211921694
>very possible
Extremely likely at this point, like you said each entry dropped and Rebirth is currently tracking at like 60% of Dominion's sales and it has more competition. Universal putting Rebirth as the AMC mystery screening which is super rare for a blockbuster reeks of desperation at this point.

>>211921641
>sequel to a reviled movie with a near identical title 5 years later
>R-rated
>also released on Max on the same day
>part of the DCEU, a universe that audiences were clearly losing interest
>Covid
It had everything going against it.

>>211920972
Freddy vs Jason was kino and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't

>>211919933 (OP)
Dinosaurs are review proof, there's nothing turdies love more than going to the movies and watching dinos
Superman has name recognition and the best marketing campaign behind it
Fantastic 4 is a wild card, has the hottest actor at the moment but not much else going for it

Each has some fascinating strengths and weaknesses

>>211921805
It's actually pretty entertaining too, especially in comparison to other comic book movies. Honest opinion is they shouldn't have made it after how badly the first one performed but they were hellbent on getting Margot Robbie Harley Quinn off the ground, and I empathise with that goal.

>>211921892
>Dinosaurs are review proof
so were giant robots once upon a time and then we got The Last Knight

>>211920810
The people who make threads about box office numbers aren't 'fans' you moron.

>>211919933 (OP)
Superman:
>$1 billion
Jurassic World:
>$850 million
Fantastic Four
>$750 million

>>211921892
Lol, dominion narely scratched 1 billion and thats because Universal kept the movie in theaters for over 3 months, the entire summer and had a rerelease with some extended footage.

Superman:
>$850 million
Jurassic World:
>$875 million
Fantastic Four
>$400 million

>>211921902
>hellbent on getting Margot Robbie HQ off the ground
>how badly the first one performed
The first one somehow made 750m fucking dollars, more than Man of Steel. I can only assume Harley Quinn rakes in billions of dollars in Hot Topic merchandise after the first SS movie given how much they've been pushing Harley since then.

>Jurassic World: 1.2 billion
Good word of mouth + no competition. There's no other big dinosaur movies coming out.

>Superman: 550m
It'll do okay, but people are tired of DC and nobody knows who the fuck Superman is.

>Fantastic Four: 2.1 billion
The most iconic superhero team + MCU pedigree

>>211922018
Suicide Squad 2016 managed to make that much because of it's marketing, interest in Harley/Joker and needle drops. Horrible fucking movie.

>>211922057

Snyder is the blueprint.

>>211922057
Get off 4chan feige

>>211922057
You forgot

>Smurfs (starring Rihanna): 3 billion
Total Smurf Summer + New music by Rihanna as Smurfette

Jurassic: $0
Superman: $0
FF: $0

why do people give a shit about how much a movie made in the box office? good movies failed in the box office before and it wont affect your life in anyway if some jew loses or makes 100 million.

>>211922257
it's like console wars

Jurassic Park leaks looking good.

>>211921944
Even Last Knight made half a Billy overseas after almost a decade of mid to poor reviews for all the prior robot movies. Dinos will clear at least 600 million international, and 250 to 300 domestic.

>>211922318
The Last Knight did not make a billion, it made 600m total and ended the franchise. You're thinking of its predecessor, Age of Extinction.

>>211922336
>>211922318
nvm im retarded and can't read

>>211919933 (OP)
Jurassic $800m
Superman $650m
Fantastic Four $450m

>>211919933 (OP)

Jurassic is just the Dino ride. I cant predict how well it will do cause normies seem to like it regardless of quality.

Superman needs to do well enough that Warner Brothers doesnt panic and change shit creating a cluster fuck like they have for the last decade. And it needs to beat man of steel or the snyderfags will never let James Gunn live it down . Ever.

Fantastic Four is MsheU and can burn. Marvel is fucked.

>>211920005

Fantastic Four looks like shit and everything that comes out about it makes it look worse. Its following a chain of slop that did not make money as well. Its fucked.

>>211920085

Jurassics predictions are in the dumpster. Im surprised I thought it would make money no matter what.

>>211922585
>And it needs to beat man of steel or the snyderfags will never let James Gunn live it down
The funniest and most likely outcome would be Superman beating Man of Steel's box office without adusting for inflation but falling short if you do adjust for inflation, that way both sides have to cope

>>211922684
They look fine to me, what garbage projections have you seen?

>>211920711

>>211921538

here they had to file tax docs and because it was ohio its public.

360 before the reshoots and editing cutting out 25 mins or whatever.

>>211922746

James Gunn is never going to be free of the snyderfags. They will hound him until the end of the earth. Man of Steel did pretty well also like 750 million or something like it which is like 900 with inflation. I dont know if superman can make it. Jurrasic is being predicted to be weak and fantastic four looks like garbage. Superman has a chance but 900 would be a surprise.

>>211922780

estimates are 115 to 135 opening weekend. Those movies are weirdly successful regardless of story quality. Something about the dinosaurs people just like to see them. Those numbers are less then I expected. I thought it would beat superman and fantastic four no problem.

Scarlet might be less of a draw then Chris Prat but I wouldnt have predicted so. Shes hot a good actress and Ive always liked her shit. Maybe there is something to people getting tired of female leads in action.

>>211919933 (OP)
Don't know about the other two but if Superman's James Gunn makes less than MoS (700mil) it will be considered a failure. Also there was a document saying its budget is 360mil so it has to reach 900mil to break even. Kek

>>211922888
Superman looks like shit. Not a surprise since it has the cinematographer of the flash. Also how come this shit cost 360mil? It looks so bad.

>>211923103
>cinematographer of the Flash
the cinematography was the very least of that movies issues. it actually did have interesting camerawork at times.

Gunnfags eat Snickers upside-down so they can feel the vein on their tongue.

>>211923198
Get ready for people to reply with examples of bad CGI instead of bad camera work

>>211923282
>Indian community loves Chat GPT slop
Shocker

>>211923198
He also did Gunn's other capeshit films, The Flash's issues is it's entire fucking production

>>211923282
Isnt Snyder 5'6 and Gunn 6'1?

>>211923198
Show one scene with good camera work from Superman.
Also
>Bad cinematography
>least of the movies issues

>>211923363
Not even close lmao
Gunn, being half mexican, is only 5'1''
Snyder is a purebreed aryan, he's 6'2''

>>211923438
>from Superman
i haven't seen the movie
>least of the movies issues
yes because the cinematography wasn't that bad. it wasn't amazing, but if it had been part of any other movie that didn't have such a terrible lead, awful CGI and a garbage script then nobody would be complaining about it.

>>211920005
>the big avengers movie
anon its 2025

>>211919933 (OP)
>first steps

why do they keep this capeshit trash going here they are clearly trying to gear up reddit tier losers for a new le ebix 10 part shitfest

>>211920085
>It will make 300-400 million only along with Fantastic Four. Jurassic will make the most.
My bet too.
JP will be the only one making more than 500 million. Perhaps 600. It also benefits from being the first of the three.
Superman will take second place. It's Superman, it's colorful, the trailer is packed with action. It attracts the general audience more than FF.
FF will be last. FF never drew a big crowd. The 60s setting will turn off even more people. The FF are old hags. The story is whatever. The trailer isn't promising.

>>211920005
Those days are over, they died with Avengers: Endgame.

>>211923023
She comes off butchy in this not hot.

>>211920065
When does Thunderbolts hit the torrent sites? Must be close.

>>211921035
The Flash was tracking well and look how bad that flopped. Even with the most optimistic projections Gunn's Superman movie isn't even going to match opening week of MoS and that didn't come close to earning a billion.

>>211921538
With a $600m box office, it would barely break even.

>>211923499
You can just shorten it to lead, because no one would be complaining if it had starred anyone who wasn’t cancelled
Ezra is the only reason the movie is held to some retarded standard when plenty of Marvel slop CGI was just as bad or worse, with worse acting

>>211927715
This is a complete myth. The Flash stopped "tracking well" when tickets went on sale. Not the case for Superman.

>>211920005
People are more faitgued by the MCU than DC (especially since DC is starting over), Superman also has way more hype atm. Superman will do better, but I think both are going to underperform

>>211921384
They made a big mistake by making Falcon the new Captain America, the Winter Soldier was way more popular and actually had a chance of getting people invested in the new Avengers.

>>211920071
Honestly, given the rightward culture shift among normies, a historical film about the Crusades or the Battle of Vienna would probably do very well. Too bad the studios are so out of touch that they're still afraid of the lefty op-eds

>>211919933 (OP)
You're joking if you think FF will make over 300

>>211929860
That's way below "MCU bomb" range, the floor for FF is $400m like Thunderbolts and Cap4

>>211919933 (OP)
Jurassic: $750
Superman: $560
Fantastic Four: $480

It's all rehashed slop and woke trash.

>>211919933 (OP)
>Superman: $900m
OP was made by WB's pajeet worker

>>211923439
Gunn parents are Irish and Czech

>>211921382
Jurassic World isn't getting a billion based on it's tracking in the US and in China

>>211922057
The reactions from Jurassic World
>>211923023
It's 115-135 over 5 days, not weekend, meaning it will do less than 100M in the 3 day weekend and the current presales suggest it won't even hit 115 over 5 days

>>211930754
The reactions for Jurassic World have been mixed to negative*

>>211930665
Okay. What are your predictions for the 3?

>>211919933 (OP)
Fantastic four will do better than other recent marvel movies mainly because people know who they are
What are the thunderbolts iron heart or the web one? No knows except comic nerds

Superman will do fine because it is superman. That said its budget is supposed to be the biggest of any super hero movie so its got a big budget to over come

Jurassic world 80 has to deal with coming off a movie (i have not seen it but based on what I've heard) that was a let down. It does have the advantage of coming out first though and coming out before a holiday weekend

>>211920972
Bottom had movies worthy of sequels.
Top shouldn't exist

>>211921869
It was. Still one of the funnest horror movies

box office numbers have always been and will always be completely made up.

>>211931789
And I will happily argue over them

>>211931243
Superman - 800
Jurassic World - 700
Fantastic 4 - 650

>>211919933 (OP)
>jurassic slop
>sloppoman
>the sloptastic slop
hard pass

>>211919983
i have hollyslop fatigue

>>211920810
>This thread is unspeakably pathetic. Are you faggot manchildren
>actually fighting over which of your favorite capeshit directors will direct the most profitable version of "man with cape" movie?
i know this your first day here you fucking newfag but the answer is obviously YES

how the fuck do you spend almost a billion dollars on a single movie in 2025, when special effects are cheapest as ever thanks to AI?

I have the feeling those numbers are just tax write-offs

>>211919933 (OP)

Yes. There's no possible way someone could go to the movies every three or four weeks. That's physically impossible.

>>211919933 (OP)
Jurassic world will flop
Superman will do good
Fantastic four will do well overseas

>>211935898
Anon these are box office predictions not budgets

jurassic 900
superkike 560
femtastic 4 700

I think you're underestimating how much jeets love Superman and how big that market is now

>>211921869
You know what else was kino? Jaon X.

>>211919933 (OP)
supershit is not making 900. 600-700 is my guess. Everyone is clowning on that straight to dvd looking flick

>>211919933 (OP)
If the last Jurassic movie, one of the worst big budget blockbusters in recent memory, made over a billion, there's no reason why this one won't. Superman will scratch just over 700 million and F4 won't make it over 900 million. Screencap this.

>>211922524
Correct

Saw new Jurassic movie last night.

It's okay, a lateral move. It's slightly more serious than other recent entries, has a fair number of pretty gnarly dino kills well paced throughout the movie all of characters that get at least some lines instead of quick background extras like in most JP films and has several good set pieces.

But it apes the first film a lot, there's 0 animatronics or puppetry(a first for a JP film) and Scarjo is a terrible lead. The movie also shitcans the actual "Jurassic world" element immediately which is retarded. Why build up an actually new and interesting potential setting for 3 movies and then ditch it just to go back to "dinos on remote island" as soon as you're in the clear for new stories? It's retarded. It also has absolutely 0 sequel potential, this feels like a dead end from a storytelling perspective.

>>211927846
Nice

>>211919933 (OP)
People will flood to the theaters for Jurassic despite the quality. It'll probably have $900m if it doesn't break a $1b. Superman will probably hover around $700m, it'll only do better if it gets insane word of mouth. F4 will sit in the $400m-550m range; people actually interested in F4 and Silver Surfer as characters are going to be way more resistant to the changes, and the people who are in it for the cast, namely Pedro Pascal, don't put up the money to go see his shit in the theaters. Add on to how people are getting more and more tired of the MCU, it's going to struggle.

>>211919933 (OP)
i'll say it: you have to be a tasteless fucking bore to see any of those 3 fucking movies. or talk about em. let's just let it all go and ... i know right might as well leave /tv since it will never happen. didnt happen around ironman2 when i was saying this, wont happen in le current year either

>>211922068
Funny thing, Gunn's Suicide Squad hasn't sold any merch. None.

>>211927869

>>211919933 (OP)
jurassic broke a billion during covid, it's going to be the clear winner
superman might crawl to 700 if word of mouth is good
fantastic 4 won't break 500

>>211920225
Source?

>>211937330
>>211921902
>they were hellbent on getting Margot Robbie Harley Quinn off the ground, and I empathise with that goal
Your empathy is fucking retarded since Margot Robbit has no ass and her titties are all bra and she refused to push for a fucking movie where Joker is a main character

>>211943085
like that Anon said, that was before tickets sold. Everybody knew it would bomb when tickets started selling and it was anemic. Same for Joker 2 and the Marvels. Comic book capeshit tend to be predictable like that. Superman is slightly different because they did this 2 day early fan thing that fucked up all the tracking, but still not that insane.

>>211947187
>Jared Leto Joker as the main character
not sure if that would have been even worse or so bad it's kino

>>211921450
He hasn’t been “third most popular character” for decades now retard. Superfags are truly delusional. The Wonder Woman movie mogged the last Superman film in terms of sales.

>>211947490
and Aquaman mogged the Batman movie I'm not sure anyone would claim Aquaman is more popular than Batman. Wonder Woman's movie was just way better than his and had way better legs despite having a weaker OW.

>>211919933 (OP)
I don't particularly care if they do.

>>211920005
F4 just feels annoying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF5mFdC2x74

>>211947717
>CGI dog mascot character vs robot mascot character
who will win?

>>211919933 (OP)
The suits will pull a Barbenheimer and meme "Jurastastic Fourld" and the broccoli heads will line up.

>>211947562
Cope. Even the beyond shitty 2016 suicide squad movie beat man of steel at the box office.

Superfags refuse to admit he’s just a largely irrelevant rotting corpse DC has been desperately propping up with the help of Batman because people haven’t found him interesting since Christopher reeves played him like 40 years ago.

Superman is probably not even top 5 among the superhero’s most normies care about now. He’s easily beaten by Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, iron man, and probably most of the other avengers when it comes to popularity.

>>211919933 (OP)
Superman caps out at 700m. I don’t think you realize how little the general audience cares about Superman. People seem to forget why Man of Steel was made in the first place.

>>211919933 (OP)
>Fantastic Four: Crippled by MCU fatique
>Superman: Crippled by lack of faith in DC as a brand
>Jurassic Park: The fandom knows the premise is retarded, and loves it anyway
DinoCHADs run this summer.

>>211919933 (OP)

I'm gonna watch Superman at the IMAX and there is nothing you can do to stop me, it's gonna be KINO :)

>>211948169
She’s aged like fine wine

>>211947923
what cope? i'm just pointing out the flaw in your logic. I don't even like Superman much, but there's more that goes into movies being successful or not successful than if people just like the character or not. Otherwise there's zero chance an Aquaman movie would have been DC's most successful film, beating out the first two MCU Spider-Man movies on top of that.
>beaten by Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Iron Man etc.
MoS did better than the Wolverine movie released in the same year though and also did better than Logan which came out years later.

I don’t believe the “it’s supposed to be campy” propaganda. DC has always been dark and campiness is what put live action Superman and Batman into that 90s coma. BvS simply came out at the wrong time.

>>211948440
>batnipples
>bat shark repellant
>flying around the world to make time go backwards
>Jack Nicholson Joker smearing an art gallery
I would have agreed if you said “DC has always been the most financially successful it has ever been when it has made dark movies”, you know.

>>211948440
marvel is the relatively darker one of the two. DC was only really dark during its edgy 90s phase when every comic was dark, but aside from that not really aside from Batman and other heroes like him.

>>211948218
Logan was also rated R with a budget less than half that of man of steel’s. they also had similar box office performances overall.

Anyways my point is that Superman just doesn’t carry stuff by himself very well anymore. New movie might do alright but I think it will be helped by absurd money spent on marketing, Gunn having somewhat of a fanbase, and having a lot going on in the movie/other supes besides just Superman

All three will flop

>>211948556
>Logan was rated R and had a smaller budget
oh so now we're admitting other factors go into a movie's success than just the character on the title? good. But that doesn't explain The Wolverine, which was PG-13. The first Deadpool was also rated R and did better than Logan. Are we claiming Deadpool was a more popular character than Wolverine before his movie came out?

MoS actually had a good opening weekend, it just collapsed in the 2nd weekend because the movie was complete garbage. If it had comparable word of mouth to Wonder Woman it would've made like 900m. I'm not saying Superman is a big draw but saying "hurr durr movie made less than X therefore character is less popular" is retarded unless you're going to concede that Aquaman is DC's most popular character and was more popular than Spider-Man before No Way Home.

>>211920005
You underestimate how much Pedro Pascal fatigue people have.

They had to have spent like half a billion including marketing on the Superman movie. Shit pry needs to hit 1 billion just to break even.

>failed games division of WB
>non-batman movies flopping/doing mediocre
>suddenly rushing to do crossovers with marvel

The execs must be panicking behind the scenes. If it flops DC might legitimately be dead. Wonder if we’ll see mass sales of character rights like back in the 90s with marvel.

>>211920071
Outside of Kingdom of Heaven there is legitimatly only like 2 other crusade movies. I would actually love a movie about either the Reconquista or an overall prologue to the first crusade.

1 billy
500 milly
sub 300 milly domestically

>>211920972
Bottom movies had budgets that reflected their quality.

>>211948440
>DC has always been dark
DC was literally founded on Superman

>>211948505
That’s what I’m saying yes

>>211949107
Your point being?

>>211949107
Have read Superman comics as of late? His son is literally a faggot. That''s some dark shit.

>>211919933 (OP)
Unfortunately there’s not much separating the DCU from the modern MCU. The generic story, crappy cgi, and quipping is all there. Expect the typical 2nd weekend historical drop off.

>>211948741
Im not just talking about movies here nor am I saying that the popularity of a character has everything to do with whether their movies succeed even though Deadpool was actually fairly popular in his own right before the movie. Deadpool was definitely helped by Ryan reynolds and word of mouth more than anything else and yes, man of steel being mediocre certainly played into its box office performance.

However, as I said the 2016 suicide squad movie was probably one of the worst capeshit movies ever made yet it pretty handily beat man of steel at the box office. I think that’s more proof of anything that Superman just doesn’t have much weight behind his name to the public or even DC fans at this point. Superman comics started dipping in popularity all the way back in the 80s and his presence in the public’s mindset + his sales have been on a decline ever since. They had a spike when DC does some dramatic stuff like kill him but they’ve had him practically attached to Batman’s asshole over the past 40 years for a reason.

>>211949233
This is another aspect that most people aren't taking into account.
Gunn seems to be speedrunning DC taking the company into what is essentially late stage MCU: tons of TV shows featuring movie characters, movies featuring TV characters, movies serving as springboard for other new movies and TV shows, TV shows serving as springboard for new movies and other TV shows, projects that just feel random and aimless like a Clayface movie before a Batman movie.

>>211949304
>However, as I said the 2016 suicide squad movie was probably one of the worst capeshit movies ever made yet it pretty handily beat man of steel at the box office.
because it came out 3 years later in a different environment. Movies are not in a vacuum. That movie also beat Captain America 2 and made the same amount of money as The Batman.
>I think that’s more proof of anything that Superman just doesn’t have much weight
If you want to know how much hype something has you look at the opening weekend, which is primarily just determined by marketing and brand name. MoS had a decent ( not insane ) opening weekend.
>Superman comics started dipping in popularity all the way back in the 80s
His comics consistently sell in the 2nd tier behind Batman and Spider-Man I don't know what you're saying. Comic readers are a small minority but saying Superman isn't popular due to comic sales makes no sense when he outsells the vast majority of characters.

>>211949717
oh and is also one of the characters that has like 3-4 separate runs going at any given time.

>>211949836
That's more because Superman is DC's mascot. It's like when Marvel is trying to push a character and try to release several new #1s despite the the same comic constantly being cancelled for low sales.

>>211949383
Yep. Iron Man 1 was built to be a purely good standalone product, no cinematic universe in mind. Even when they got to Avengers Feige admitted the Thanos post credit scene was nothing more than a gag at the time. Meanwhile Gunn within a month of becoming CEO gathered a committee and planned out the entire franchise for the next 10 years. And now he says he’s struggling with Batman but the fact is he shouldn’t even managing that. The fact everything has to be filtered through Gunn, who has a very particular taste, is very concerning. Remember this guy didn’t like The Dark Knight but loved The Flash. Then who do you trust? No one. I’d rather have a slew of really good and really bad movies together than a slew of just mediocre ones.

>>211949717
>using comic book sales in the big 2025

>>211949383
I dont think he's doing that. Looks like 1 movie a year, 1 DC TV show a year for the first 2. Everything else is in various stages of pre-production where they can easily kill it if the movies flop

>>211949947
not really. If he wasn't selling they'd just give him 1 mandatory run out of pity like they do Wonder Woman. They wouldn't give him like 4 simultaneously.

>>211921088
>the omen is trash
What a fag

>>211950002
I didn't bring up comic book sales he did. I even preempted it by saying comic readers are a small minority.

>>211919933 (OP)
Hmm, that could be why they made Jurassic World the Monday Mystery Movie/Scene Unseen yesterday. Earlier exposure and guaranteed dollars from people who love the mystery. The screen I was at had people cheering and clapping when it was revealed Jurassic World was the movie.

>>211950030
He's very much doing that.
The Peacemaker was a spin-off to The Suicide Squad. Creature Commandos is a cartoon showing the new Rick Flag, who's father of the original Rick Flag, who died in The Suicide Squad movie (that isn't that much canon), and now this character is in the new Superman movie arresting Superman, and will be in the second season of The Peacemaker trying to kill Peacemaker for killing his son, who died in The Suicide Squad, that shouldn't be canon anymore. The Green Lantern shown in the new Superman movie will have a cameo in the Lanterns TV show, and Supergirl will appear in the new Superman movie, as a set up for her own Supergirl movie.

So you're already creating homework for the viewers that mix both movies and TV shows. What's this new Rick Flag characters all about? Check The Suicide Squad, The Peacemaker season two, and Creature Commandos. Oh, and Superman, and who knows what else.

This is what late state MCU has been.

2016 Suicide Squad was alright. Nothing spectacular but I think it fits into that so bad it’s good territory. It doesn’t waste your time or anything. If they knew from the beginning to make it a comedy then yeah that would’ve helped it a lot. The Suicide Squad had that advantage albeit it isn’t all that different from the 2016 one at the end of the day. Will Smith was a big charisma helper and Jason Momoa brought the same energy to Aquaman.

>>211950273
>late state MCU
bro the MCU is having 3 movies, and 4 tv shows come out this year alone gunn couldn't even do that if he tried

>>211950273
>cartoons
Who cares

>>211920005
People are laughing at you, but Doctor Strange 2 made more than The Batman in the year it came out, which sounds impossible but happened. And Batman is a bigger IP than Superman.
The MCU brand has faded immensely, but I think it still has enough juice for a bigger movie and brand to carry it over.

>>211950412
The number of shit being made doesn't matter much. Its about every movie and show having these connections that force people to watch everything. Not to mention mixing shows with movies. People have shown to hate that.

The new Rick Flag character is pretty much the best example of the worst sins MCU created.
>>211950514
Exactly. Nobody, and that's why people stopped caring about the new MCU movies and shows. Because nobody wanted to watch fucking cartoons to know who's the new female Captain America or some shit like that.

>>211950034
>half his runs feature Batman so heavily that they might as well be his because his pure solo stories are woke slop canceled very other week because the most interesting thing they can write about is his faggot son

Superfags are truly beyond saving

>>211950628
They make a half dozen superhero cartoons every year. They have no impact on whether audiences are excited about theatrical movies or live action shows. Nobody watches them and people making the movies know that they dont need to watch them to understand the movies or shows

>>211950730
They don't feature Batman that heavily. Honestly I'd say Batman runs tend to have Superman cameo more heavily than the reverse so that Superman can job to whatever random threat is taking over Gotham and his stories aren't cancelled much they've been ongoing for a while. his aforementioned faggot son is the one who gets cancelled stories constantly because they have no idea what to do with him now that they aged him up

>>211950850
>They make a half dozen superhero cartoons every year.
They weren't "canon" to anything else.
But the MCU started to make their shitty ass cartoons canon to the new movies, with those dumb What Ifs, and Gunn is doing the same with his shitty Creature Commandos. How is that hard to understand?

The point isn't even the fucking cartoons, but audiences feeling that they have to watch every movie and show to understand who these characters are. Something that started to pile up when it came to the MCU. Gunn is doing that shit from the very go.

>>211950939
>I'd say Batman runs tend to have Superman cameo more heavily than the reverse
That's a blatant lie.
You won't see Superman in Batman, or Detective Comics, or even in other comics like Batgirl and so on.
But you will see Batman in Superman, or Action Comics, or whatever.

>>211919933 (OP)
My exact face (pictured) as I pirate them and delete on repeat until I get bored (not watching, I just want to steal thousands in revenue)

>>211950959
honestly i think this is only an issue for characters that are major players. i.e, literally every members of the Thunderbolts was introduced in a Disney+ show nobody watched or that shitty Black Widow movie. The Marvels had two major starring characters that were introduced in D+ and Dr. Strange 2's central plot is basically a sequel to the D+ show. that shit is obviously no bueno. but nobody really feels obligated to watch the Daredevil show because he cameod in Spider-Man NWH. I have no clue how major the characters from CC are going to be in Superman though.

>>211920071
Read a history book if you like history so much, bro.

>>211951011
>you won't see Superman in Batman, or D.C
Yes you will, not even that infrequently. In Zdarsky's Batman run in 2022 Superman, and the entire JL afterwards, showed up just to rob to Batman's Ultron knockoff. Batgirl I have no clue, but I don't see Batman popping up in Supergirl either.

>>211951127
just to job**

>>211950038
Shut up Brit, go be scared by dogs somewhere else.

>>211951011
he showed up in both zdarsky and tom king's run this past decade, don't know if he's showed up currently since hush 2 is garbage and i stopped reading, though speaking of he also showed up in the first hush storyline. inevitably it's always to get his ass kicked like worf to make the threat seem more powerful. "omg how is batgod gonna stop X now that even superman can't".

>>211951127
>>211951360
Now count how many times Batman show up in Superman centric comics to help Superman with something.

There's actually people that want to see Superman and Fantastic 4? I'm not being a sarcastic asshole, I'm genuinely asking, because I can't see how, but I could be wrong.
Jurassic World I could understand people being stupid enough to get suckered into wanting to see dinos again, but that superman movie looks genuinely absolutely beyond terrible even for capeshit, and fantastic 4, who gives a fuck
there's no way, am I totally out of touch?

>>211951410
We went to "You will never see Superman show up in a Batman run" to "o-okay he shows up often but not as much as Batman does," which isn't even true. It's probably tilted towards him showing up in the Batman more than the inverse because a lot of Superman stories take place off world which Batman can't be at, or because Batman showing up in a Superman comic doesn't have the same narrative impact that Superman getting folded by whatever Batman is fighting does. If he does show up it's normally in one page just to drop science exposition because they flipped a coin and landed on Batman instead of Mr. Terrific.

>>211951608
>It's probably tilted towards him showing up in the Batman more than the inverse because a lot of Superman stories take place off world which Batman can't be at
Stop coping.

>>211919933 (OP)
Hollywood accounting.

>>211951719
like you claiming Superman never shows up in Batman then just immediately trying to pivot when given immediate recent counterexamples? just admit you don't read either of their comics brother. the only current run batman shows up is Unlimited for one page to explain science mumbojumbo about Superman's new super saiyan form.

>>211951608
DC works better as standalone stories because each character is a distinct archetype that enhances depth at the expense of clusterfucking. If the DCU had gone with making pseudo-dramas about the Batman rogues gallery and linking them up for a a showdown with Batman it would have worked. Instead, it tried to copy Marvel's interconnected melodrama and failed.

>>211951921
I honestly agree. Superman/JL showing up in Batman stories is almost always retarded and nonsensical and characters like John Constantine simply do not work with the vast majority of DC.

It can work as a distinct separate thing, i.e World's Finest is fine on its own , but it's impossible to settle the dissonance of Batman fighting Darkseid with the JL then going back home and having trouble with an edgy clown.

>>211919933 (OP)
it's common for summer to have big releases, if anything it's been surprisingly slow this far

>>211951429
Fantastic Four hype got saved by Marvel Rivals. Whether or not Superman makes 400m or 700m depends on wom.

>>211919933 (OP)
168m on the last Fantastic Four. Pedro will only bring in a little more.

>>211921604
>>211921324
There is no final battle in Jurassic park 7

>>211952006
Yeah, it can work but only in a cartoonish way. Making DC characters cartoonish really detracts from what it does better than Marvel and was just a terrible idea.

I haven't read comics since I was a kid but I remember hunting for back issues of 80s Batman and thinking Marvel was lame by comparison. Another problem they have is making every single Batman villian a variation of Joker and that just fails miserably. Honestly, I don't know why they didn't get a clue when Joker did so well. I heard the Penguin HBO series is pretty good but I didn't like The Batman very much so I haven't given it a try yet.

>>211919933 (OP)
Literally my first thought. Back in the day this could work, but no one's going to want to go to the movies and spend a couple of hundred bucks three times in one month. There are some theaters in very small rural areas where you can still get tickets for $5 a piece, and for those people, yeah go for it. I would as well. But personally my local theater charges about $45 per ticket. Just checking out online I'm already spending $100, then we have to Uber down to the theater (and back) which is another $20-$60 and if my wife wants to get a drink/snacks or I get tempted by the movie theater bar into doing a couple of shots to make the goyslop go down easier I'm easily dropping ANOTHER $100 just for some soda pop and a box of Sour Patch Kids. And for what? This garbage?

> The rebooted Jurassic Park with a dumb Mummy-rip off plot that's going to be worse than the cartoon?
> Superjew in: We can't do a straightforward Superman anymore, that's BORING! It's going to be wacky and self-deprecating!
> Fantastic Four: We've failed four times before but this time we made sure to get a bunch of ugly people and to not even try to be comic accurate. Remember that cool guy you like? He's a black lesbian now.

Horrible. If I'm going to go out and do something fun this Summer it's going to be going to the beach or flying across the country to see my family. Maybe I'll got to the bar with a couple of friends. I'm not spending my time cooped up in a dark room watching crap that I won't even enjoy. It's not my fault they spent a billion dollars a piece on these movies.

>>211920071
Everybody would be a black woman and the villain would be Donald Trump. Is that what you want?

>>211952615
>$45 per ticket
Holy shit.

>>211919933 (OP)
Let me put it to you this way, /tv/

My local theater is going to be showing all three of these simultaneously. They're also going to be doing a special re-release of a 90's movie I don't even like that much, and already have on home media at home that I can watch for free.

I am most likely going to spend $100 to go see that 90's movie in theaters if I go see a movie at all.

>>211951429
You aren't out of touch. I'm sure some of the turbonerds on comic forums care but most people irl don't give a shit about about either.

>>211919933 (OP)
I think JW:R will make the most. Even though the JW trilogy was dogshit, I don’t think it’s as overtly offensive as the MCU has become.
>Superman just seems like shit, and I don’t think anyone cares about him anymore. DC just seemed like a knockoff MCU.
>Fantastic Four just seems too little too late. In general I think there’s some serious superhero fatigue

It's really crazy how each of the movies fundamentally misunderstands what anyone wants to see.

> Jurassic Park
Just people stranded somewhere where there are dinosaurs trying to kill them. That's it. It's like a Jaws movie, the whole appeal is you're in the ocean and THERE'S A SHARK!!!! I don't need to see some plot about an activist that gets contracted by the military to get a MaGuffin for a Corporation that's bribing a Senator and then there's a shark that shows up for a couple scenes but then we're back to military corporation nonsense and it turns out the guys granddaughter was a WERE-SHARK the WHOLE TIME OMG.

Just put the people in a jungle and send some raptors after them. That's all I care about. Maybe a supermodel has to take a bath in a river and the guy has to stand guard while trying not to peep on her. That's as complicated as it needs to be.

> Superman
I want to see a handsome, manly, White Chad flying around, fighting some kooky aliens, and having banter and obvious romance with a skinny, White, feisty sexpot Lois Lane. That's it. There's a lot of cool villains and characters you could throw in, a nice Supergirl story or a Smallville story, or a Lobo story, a lot of things COULD be cool, but that's the bare bones of it and if you do that I and everyone else will be sold. They will not do any of that, however.

> Fantastic Four
All they really need to do is what they did with the early 2000's one. I don't know how or why Fox got duped into scrapping that franchise. Each movie debuted as the highest grossing picture the month it debuted, tripled it's budget, and the second one outperformed the first.

>>211919933 (OP)
The Flop-tasic Fart

>>211953553
This is why I think Jurassic Park will be the biggest success. Not only is clearing the bar low but also despite all their increasingly stupid attempts to up the stakes, you can’t actually deviate too far from the basic premise of “people running away from dinosaurs”. Even Dominion’s incredibly stupid plot twist of Dr. Wu being redeemed because the little clone girl turned out to be cloned from his platonic white woman friend (who is also the REAL genius behind dinosaur bioeenginering theory) so he gets off scott free because he killed the giant locusts his company was planning to hold all food production hostage with didn’t actually GET RID of a 3-way between Rexy, the therizinosaurus and the gigantosaurus. You can butcher Superman by giving him terrible lines. You can butcher Reed Richards by miscasting him. But you can’t really miscast a goddamn CGI dinosaur unless like, you deliberately make them all into low effort Barneys or something.

>>211919933 (OP)
>Fantastic Four
Jurassic World is going to stomp the other 2 going by history, F4 is doomed as nobody gives a shit about the MCU and they certainly don't give a shit about F4 after every single previous F4 movie bombing hard.

>>211953710
I don’t know why this is hard to grasp
>>211953709
Top Gun is a good example of what you’re getting at. Neither movie’s plot is particularly compelling. The best fighter pilots in the world do a mission to bomb a military installation of <unnamed country that definitely isn’t our current geopolitical rival>. Wow, amazing. Nobody watches it for the plot. Those movies were a success because of Tom Cruise and fighter jets going brrrrrrrttttt and everyone knows it. If they made a third movie with an identical plot people would still line up to see it
Jurassic movies are exactly the same thing. They stopped being about the tough philosophical balance between “can” and “should” by the second movie at the latest, everything after that has been purely to watch dinosaurs go crazy. That’s what the newest movie offers so, well, I guess we’ll see what happens, but it’s definitely curbstomping superfag and floptastic 4

>>211953553
>Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park was basically Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with horror attached. The dinosaur theme park is a cool concept and Jurassic World was able to rehash it with modern CGI. The new movie however is like Skull Island with charisma void Scarlett. There’s no way of telling how well it will do.
>Superman
An unnecessarily over convoluted concept. Cavill’s Man of Steel was one of one. Another movie with a noteworthy director/screenwriter attached that’s not overly concerned with continuity could have very well done a billy. Making something like Top Gun: Maverick would’ve been great. Gunn is more concerned with being Feige 2.0 than he is with creating one good product.
>Fantastic Four
The 60s aesthetic is appreciated but the cast is all handmedowns after all the A-listers rejected which is what this movie needed to push it over the edge. Being attached to the MCU also brings it down a notch. It’s going to end up one among the many mediocre MCU flicks. Marvel Rivals helped invigorate interest among youngsters and I’d bet this movie being the most successful of the three.

>>211920005
>Sue Storm as the girl-boss leader
>Pedro Pascal oversaturation
>no more arrogant and playboy Johnny Storm

Anon...

>>211954436
Top Gun is such a good example of that, I’m surprised they haven’t tried to make a-

>checks
Holy kek they’re actually doing it. Anyway the point I was going to make was that in Top Gun’s case I think Cruise’s charisma is as important as the breakneck dogfights, and I guess even the typical retard suits in charge of moviemaking agree since they’re unwilling to replace him even though mystery meat would probably be cheaper.

Anyway, I kinda want them to lean into the inherent absurdity of the premise and just admit America is at war with every foreign nation in the Top Gun timeline. And winning.

>>211954890
>with horror attached
>implying
With how many Charlie and the Chocolate Factory remakes they’ve made and how people shit and pissed themselves at the boat ride, they should just adapt Great Glass Elevator and have Wonka chased around by fucking civilisation-reaping space monsters. Go full cosmic horror.

Don’t fall for the superfag “mischaracterization” propaganda. Normies and intelligent people like (you)rself don’t care about that nitty gritty nitpicking stuff. Man of Steel was a fantastic answer to the long woes of a stale character. What matters is the product itself, the vibes and what not. And that product continues to age like fine wine.

>>211919933 (OP)
Yeah there's no way Superman won't be the best performing one. People will flock to it

>>211919933 (OP)
JP is gonna make a billion, normies love dinosaurs even if the movie is shit. Almost impossible for superman to make a billion even if the movie is better than marvel slop, only way I see it reaching that number is if it has avengers level appeal and word of mouth. Basically, it has to be the best hero movie since TDK.

>>211955587
>And that product continues to age like fine wine
Ah yes, it aged so well they mutilated Cavilman’s face to get rid of a moustache

>>211920065
If they change the title to Guardians of the Fantastic 4 then maybe, just maybe, they can reach a billion. The fantastic four in the comics is not exactly for everyone and comic accurate reed would never work in the big screen.

>>211920071
>I heard my pure blooded aryans from the crusade, heil hitler btw, were cool but i'm too iliterate to read even wikipedia please help me himler

>>211955587
i don't care about mischaracterization he was just a boring asshole in MoS and i'm given no reason to care about him when he's punched through buildings for 20 minutes. if that's accurate to comic characterization then it's shit

>>211922057
>most iconic superhero team

>>211923439
Snyder is a manlet, literal 5,7 ft manlet, those weights in those photoshoots you love to masturbate to, they're hamster sized. Gunn had the audacity of being slighty taller than me.

>>211955971
STOP, MY INVINCIBLE SON was definitely not comic accurate. Pa Kent’s tenets never included “avoid any personal risks from the media spotlight, at all costs, even if it means I have to die to rescue a dog”

>>211919933 (OP)
Based on every rumour and what I've seen from the trailers and leaks
>JW >> FF > Superman
Jurassic World is closer to delivering what audiences want in an fine looking cover. 1 billion is real.
FF is safe and boring, painfully okay. 600-800 range.
Superman looks like a vomit in the trailers and I haven't heard a single good thing about it from the test screenings. It's going to be a flop, which isn't surprising given the budget, but it will most likely have a terrible legs and end up getting like 400-500 at best.

Jurassic World
Zero interest. Will never see it.

Superman & the Justice League
I wanted to see it. But the casting looks very poor. I WANTED BRIGHT COLORFUL HAPPY FUN Justice League action. I'm seeing only lame stuff which doesn't look fun or funny (no humor in the trailers).

FANTASTIC FOUR.
First Fantastic Four comicbook I bought was #165. Kept buying it well past #250 to #275. It was my first superhero comic after buying Richie Rich issues. GALACTUS looks perfect, Herbie the robot looks perfect, DR. DOOM looks passably okay, setting seems fine, tech seems okay, Silver Surfer is wrong, they could've made her Frankie Raye but that would screw the MCU Norrin Radd intro. Sue Storm looks UNCANNY VALLEY so they should declare she's a Skrull and have the next movie be the hunt for Sue Storm. Thing looks okay, Mister Fantastic is wrong-looking. Johnny Storm is AT LEAST white again, but he has no enthusiasm or thrillseeker visible in him.

Me, I'd fast run through the Mole Man, the Skrull Cows, some of the basic adventures, kind of like decade jumps with soft landings. Though that skips so many great adventures. They could do flashback segments like Family Guy since they've literally done everything. Not to mention Reed & Doom both have time machines and interdimensional travel portals.

>>211955984
Please understand, F4fags have to exist in a permanent state of copium after one movie series failed despite having prime Jessica Alba as Sue, and another one was so incompetently managed they somehow hired an actual addict as the director

>>211947779
The robot should win because it's easier for normies to buy funko herbie whatever the fuck its called than generic dog with cape even if krypto wins their hearts, and I'm sure he will.

>>211956076
Really earning that marketing paycheck there, buddy.

>>211922257
if studios are annoying people to care about a new movie and make them watch it, you as part of the audience spending your valuable time and money, should also care about how well it performs, by being an installment of a trilogy or part of a cinematic universe and flopping, then they will panic and change a lot of things, if not directly cancel said projects, so why bother engaging with content with expiration date?
movies and shows are so shit nowadays that it's actually much more entertaining to watch youtubers trashing them and making fun of them.

>>211922257
It’s like watching pigeons fight over breadcrumbs.

>>211956111
can't blame them. they're eternally buttblasted that the pixar parody is better received and more iconic than the F4 will ever be.

>>211955587
The only people who hated the film were comicfags who to this day still can't get over Superman not wearing trunks or him not being portrayed as "muh heckin' wholesome symbol of hope." Most people liked it or were indifferent.

>>211956565
it had a pretty poor 2nd weekend dropoff so it did indeed have generally poor word of mouth

The Black Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau, showed her skills starting in AVENGERS 233 (JULY 1983) in saving Manhattan from merging with the Negative Zone.

Unfortunately, once she mastered her powers she was too powerful for the team (instant solutions). Same thing happened when they made THE LIVING LASER a member. It's hard to contain some who can become pure thermal frequencies or gamma radiation or walk through walls. Plus a thinking creature that can travel at literal lightspeed and change directions on possible intercept is very hard to counter. Captain Marvel & The Living Laser basically replaces THE VISION, any flame based heroes, any shooting type heros, any teleporting heroes, and any forcefield type heroes. Their only limitations are lack of super strength. The only ways writers counter that is by making the energy form heroes be really stupid, be vulnerable to jamming frequencies, having very fast power time limits, calorie expenses, be easy to fall into simple traps (like a pickling jar with a mirror finish inside), or just have them constantly absent because of "personal reasons" (in which case they basically cease to exist) or toss them into deep space adventures which nobody ever gets updates on ("Jack of Hearts" anyone?).

>>211956565
I didn't like it because the final third act gave me a headache it's all of Snyder's worst excesses except now he has a budget. Emmerich movies are tame by comparison. Also Henry Cavill can not fucking act to save his life, the guy basically has one or two expressions for the entire movie and his delivery is equally as wooden.

>>211956565
>indiferrent

That's why the Snyderverse was cancelled, the movies didn't make a profit. Nobody wants to watch DCEU. People only like it because Cavill is good-looking.

>>211919933 (OP)
>Jurassic: $750m
>Superman: $90m
>Fantastic Four: $60m
You had some extra zeroes in there.

>>211956127
>Really earning that marketing paycheck there, buddy.

Not really.
I'll be skipping the Fantastic Four movie too.
I might watch on the pirate streaming apps, but I'm skipping it in theaters.

I had hopes for Superman and the Justice League movie and the Fantastic Four was a guaranteed movie ticket until insider info about Sue "UNCANNY UGLY" Storm ruined it with the Feminism Girlboss Insufferable Bitch plots.

The final death of my enthusiasm was Pedro Pascal being a woke cunt while he "hyped" the movie to the (less than 0.0001% of the "Preferred Audience" of broke trannies and furious lesbians). Female Silver Surfer was just another turd on the pile of any hope I had for a good enjoyable movie. The pity is the SET DESIGNER, SET CONSTRUCTION CREW, & STORYBOARD guys look like they really busted their asses on this thing to make this movie great. Costuming looks decent except for the main cast outfit.

It's a movie sabotaged by the Studio Execs at Disney, cruelly killed by the retarded main cast, and destroyed and demolished by the lesbian screenwriters. Reminds me of BATMAN RETURNS where they dumped in the whole "Penguin Prince of Egypt" nonsense plus Bargain Basement Catwoman and the other multitudes of unpleasant stupidities that ruined that movie.

>>211957506
>Costuming looks decent except for the main cast outfit.
yeah why do they all look like they're wearing sweaters

>>211919933 (OP)
>>211920005

fantastic 4 look fucking awful

we still have zero fucking trailer showing anything from the movie and its coming out next month

>>211919933 (OP)
FANTASTIC 4 900 M
JURASSIC PARK 6 740 M
SUPERMAN 600 M

>>211921560
yeah?
Not enough frowning at night and stomping on children for you?

>>211921892
I always loved dinos, always will. WIll never watch any JW movie.
The only good J movie is Jurassic Park 1

>>211919933 (OP)
Are you guys blind? That superman is widely hated in social media and prefer snyderverse instead. It’s gonna superflop. Corensweat will never surpass cavill. My prediction is 200million.

>>211919933 (OP)
J: 630 milli
S: 600 milli
F: 530 milli

>>211922109
Snydertards are so scared becuse al they have is being the most recent (dogshti) version of the character.
Anything passable and more recent will blow it away where it belongs

>>211958299
>widely hated
Seems kinda divsive, desu. But Snyderpajeets are widely mocked.

>>211948741
Wonder woman was garbage.
It would have had awful word of mouth if we weren't in full "only praise allowed because it's a woman movie" phase

>>211948440
>DC has always been dark
You are mentally ill

>>211958299
>and prefer snyderverse instead.
Things that never happened lmao
Nobody ever liked that shit and flooding internet with indian posts to create a fake spike won't change it

>>211958527
>being this retarded
>cant see the obvious sign
Cope harder. Majority of people want snyderverse to be restored. That’s what’s happening right now. The new movie will flop because it has so many hate

And the profiles aren’t from India.

>>211920005
they're making yet another avengers movie? jesus christ enough with this shit.

>>211959418
You aren't "majority of people".
Actual majority of people sent Snyder to Neflix with a kick in the butt and a good riddance.
if anyone ever liked it at all he would still be making those shitty movie instead of being considered worse than Uwe Boll

>>211959902
Last one I saw was Age of Shit-tron. Starve the beast. Don't be part of the problem

>>211919933 (OP)
I'm not watching any of this slop.

>>211960020
Also remember that piracy is always an option, and folks are getting videos out faster than ever.

>>211960066
That's still acknowledging they exist, therefore being part of the problem.
Don't let them shape your perception of what a movie should be

>>211960286
>of what a movie should be
I think of it as cheating their employees out of their hard-earned labour while simultaneously getting amusement out of their work like watching a Tommy Wiseau movie. I'm sure as hell not in any danger of any brainwashing, because the day I succumb to MCU propaganda is the day I suffer much more serious brain injuries first.

>>211919933 (OP)
>Superman: $900m

>>211923133
kino

>>211920005
What Avengers movie? All the Avengers are dead or retired.

>>211946591
Holy Mountain.
What's wrong with /tv/ anons these days, you guys haven't even seen the basics.

>>211955587
>Man of Steel was a fantastic answer to the long woes of a stale character.
Man of Steel's box office fell off a cliff after its opening weekend. Batman v Superman's box office fell off a cliff after its opening. Audiences were eager to give a new Superman and a new Batman a chance, and then rejected them, because they were shit movies.

>>211956565
Yaah, that's why Snyder kept making those movies instead of being dumped on Netflix where anything he was making was cancelled.
Oh wait...