Thread 211983611

Why did it flop?

the kids at school found him unlikeable and so did everyone else

Ugly animation + brown pandering + delulu

why did what flop?

If I was to hazard a guess I’d say that the reason it flopped is because it’s made by woke brown people who self insert when they make media. They are also out of touch so they think that the rest of the brown audience is just like them (it’s not, the brown masses want to see cool and attractive mainly white characters in their movies).

the current fascist president making my people the enemy even though we make this shitty country run

>>211983611 (OP)
grubhubcore

>>211983611 (OP)
According to metrics diversity played a big part

>>211983611 (OP)
it was never gonna make it
> Elio was due to be directed by Adrian Molina, using ideas drawn from his own childhood on a military base, but then last June Domee Shi (director of Turning Red) was announced at the new director; last August, Madeline Sharafian was announced as her co-director; and three different screenwriters are credited.

>>211983799
ok pablo

>>211983732
>the brown masses want to see cool and attractive mainly white characters

I'm a very white-skinned Mexican, but even so: we've never given a shit about a character's race in media, as long as he's cool.

>>211983732
Actual brown kids want to see Goku and Jiren punching each other. There is no audience for this type of movie.

>>211983799
Why not leave?

he monke

>>211983611 (OP)
The title fucking sucks. The Pixar movies that performed the best at the box office had titles that gave a brief high-level snapshot of what the film was about: Inside Out is about the emotions inside us personified, Toy Story is a story about toys coming to life, Ratatouille is about French cuisine and rats (and works as a pun too), Monsters Inc is about an energy corporation run by monsters etc. Elio is about... Elio. It's such a boring title and it reveals nothing about the character or the world he lives in. Imagine if Toy Story was just 'Andy', or Monsters Inc. was called 'Sully'.

DUH DUH

>original movie.
>set in space.
>movies made by pixar after Coco.
Yeah, those have consistently failed. Why do they keep doing it? They are setting themselves up to just be a sequel factory with all these failures piling up.

kids don't care about ayylmaos

>>211983611 (OP)
you know why, we all know why

>>211984060
The goal is the fixation on his racial makeup over anything else. The creators actually get hard and partially cum themselves in public when they check their phones for the poor box office. It's flopophilia.

>>211984030
California belongs to Mexico, puto

>>211983611 (OP)
Literal CalArts beanmouth slop
>Molina was inspired by his childhood growing up at a military base and eventual enrollment at the California Institute of the Arts when developing the film's story. Director Madeline Sharafian described his feelings on the private art school by saying "he felt like he'd found his people there, he'd found his world".

>>211983611 (OP)
Ugly nigger protagonist with vague faggotry subtext and displeasing animation aesthetic.

>>211984166
Coco was a huge success though

It looks like a Dreamworks plotline with an Alex Hirsch artstyle, no wonder people aren't interested.

>>211984060
Yeah good analysis. They got lucky with Coco because beaners flocked to it, but Elio just sounds lame

>>211983899
I wonder what happened that they shafted the original director for two women instead? He must have fucked up big-time, or not been open to internal criticism, etc. The movie was meant to come out a year ago.

>>211983611 (OP)
I see brown people in real life enough

>>211984258
Clearly not nor has ever been the case. What's wrong with Mexico?

>>211985424
Mexico is the most amazing place in the world. Viva la Mexico... until you ask them to go back there. Then your town is part of Mexico.

>>211983611 (OP)
It can still come back like Elemental did.

>>211985501
Elemental flopped. Pixar admitted as much when they said it would only be profitable from merchandising, streaming and DVDs. The theatrical release only made slightly over 2* its budget

>>211983611 (OP)
Wasnt there a meme for this character. Something like “pixar now makes characters that looked like they were molested and liked it”

>>211985749
>Pixar admitted as much when they said it would only be profitable from merchandising, streaming and DVDs
Never said it.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/pixar-elemental-box-office-rebound-1235691248/
>Will “Elemental” be profitable?
>We have a lot of different revenue streams, but at the box office we’re looking at now, it should do better than break even theatrically. And then we have revenue from streaming, theme parks and consumer products. This will certainly be a profitable film for the Disney company.
Sorry, but Elemental rebound did indeed happen, there is no need to cope with "budget x2 actually"

>>211985889
why did they make him sit like a faggot?

>>211985059
he's gay, the movie is autobiographical and the original art has a lot of gay allusion for this child character (same name as the call me by your name underage-adult gay romance character), and prior to a few years ago Disney was pushing 'full speed down the slippery slope' but then they started getting called out and legal/political problems and decided to abandon that track. so probably someone said 'give that outright cum-eating-gayboy movie to some women, have them make it subtle or just get rid of it'

>>211986008
Idk but I distinctly remember this meme and it did some damage clearly lmao. Literally gay beanmouth the movie.

>>211983611 (OP)
Should've called it 'Helio' and made it about racing.

>>211985889
I sometimes sit crossed legged like that. It doesn't hurt your nuts, and is only bad because people look at you weird.
The gay shit is the bent inward knees on the second render. That's 100% noncery going on in the department.

>>211983611 (OP)
it looks low effort. they need to go back to hand drawing

Brown. People are sick of brown. That's all it is.

>>211986038
>the movie is autobiographical
Again?! Turning Red was autobiographical, Elemental is just Sohn sobbing about his immigrant parents. Anyone have any ideas left except "literally my childhood/adolescence but at a 200 mil animation budget"
No wonder these fucks are going to die in sequel mines in the next decade. Good riddance.

>>211983677
plebbit loved him though

>>211985889
Yeah Hispanics don't like faggotry. Hard pass.
>>211986008
The original creator of the story was gay so that's probably why

>>211983611 (OP)
i saw exactly ONE (1) ad for this movie a couple months ago and then never again.
I think it's sad that this happened. Calarts style is so fucking old and common.. the design alone put everyone off. We bitch and moan about sequels and reboots and (((Disney))) finally puts out an original story and they did NOTHING to make it work.

>>211984142
Lilot and Stitch literally prove you wrong

I miss when Disney was 2D animation and Pixar did everything 3D.

>>211986417
>and (((Disney))) finally puts out an original story
It didn't sound very original at all just their take on Steven Universe

Remind me what's the deal with the 1 word titles again

>>211986566
Original in the sense that it wasn't a sequel or reboot. Pocahontas is just dances with wolves and it was a hit.

>>211983611 (OP)
Colander is very outdated. It looks like conspiracy nut that libs avoid, and truthers are burnt by hollawud too often

>>211983899
why are they letting women write a boy's story?

The ones that I've seen ranked

Finding Nemo (2003)
Coco (2017)
Monsters, Inc. (2001)
Luca (2021)
Toy Story 3 (2010)
Toy Story (1995)
A Bug's Life (1998)
Ratatouille (2007)
The Incredibles (2004)
WALL-E (2008)
Cars (2006)
Up (2009)
Incredibles 2 (2018)
Turning Red (2022)
Finding Dory (2016)

I will watch one I haven't seen tonight if someone replies with a recommendation

>>211983611 (OP)
It's paint-by-numbers slop with a thin veneer of DEI shit spread over it to pander and pay lip service to The Movement. These kinds of movies only succeed during periods in society where people are comfortable and sedate; willing to pay a reasonable amount of money to zone out for 90 minutes. Instead, everything sucks and you paid for the movie by working for the same amount of time as its runtime. No one wants that.

>>211984060
I haven't seen anybody mention this because the dogshit corporate artstyle overshadows it but this was seriously a huge misstep on their part. What the fuck is Elio? I don't know, I don't care and I'm not going to go watch to learn because a title isn't enough to draw me in. Now I'm not the target audience and wouldn't see it anyway but I know kids are looking for the very same things because I too was a kid once.

Its a bad movie

>>211986252
>Again?!
Anon you don't realize how far back they went all-in on this thinking it was going to be the Kamala century. The NEXT movie coming NEXT year, is the same shit. I paste here a description not of the actual upcoming Pixar movie - it's called Knockers or some shit - but its director's movie he made before it, which Pixar hired him from
>The film, an allegory for what it feels like to be a minority in America, explores themes of acceptance, family separation, and racial discrimination, which were darker than the lighthearted but similar themes upon which Chong, a member of the Asian American minority, had explored within the television series.
Lmao so three $200m films that made no money go 'Shee, Song, Chong in turn sob about immigrant parents/their lunch made fun of'. Even though this theme was played out in fucking late 80s and the entire of 90s tv already

>>211986718
>>211986038
Do you know what the glass cliff is anon - when a company or project is doomed due to outside circumstances or irreparable rot, you secretly write it off then put a woman in charge of it so you can get your ESG credit for free. It's happened many times, big companies, big universities etc

>>211983611 (OP)
Disgusting art style

movie made for gay shotacons, it will find the audience it seeks

>>211986802
>It follows an eleven-year-old boy named Elio Solís (Kibreab) who accidentally becomes the intergalactic ambassador of planet Earth after being beamed up to the Communiverse by aliens for making contact. He must form new bonds with eccentric alien lifeforms and navigate a crisis of intergalactic proportions that involves the warlord father of an alien he befriended.

>>211986996
the whole industry is going off the glass cliff lmao

>>211984081
gotta give em props at least for trying out new ips.
seems like they would rather go the sequel route though, this seems almost intentional imo.

>>211987291
>new ips
But as someone pointed out in the other thread it is effectively not a new IP since you could very easily confuse it for as the sequel/prequel to Lightyear, Luca, Strange World or Call Me By Your Name

>>211983611 (OP)
Kid looks retarded.
Kids don't like retards.

>>211987144
>A kid is abducted by aliens and accidentally starts a galactic war

That premise alone isn't terrible, it sounds like the plot of a point-and-click adventure game.

>>211987144
Wow they really could have picked just about anything else for the title. That's SO MUCH to work with lol.

>>211987522
i had at least two cyoa books with it. its generic. its also several 80s movies

>>211987144
Sounds like a fun book I would've read when I was like 10

>The Time I Started An Intergalactic War And Forgot My Homework

>>211983611 (OP)
Audiences respond badly to brown characters. I should conduct a study on this because I know by now that Disney definitely has this knowledge in their vault

>>211983959
>we've never given a shit about a characters race
Yeah buddy sure that's why the phrase "mejorando la raza" is so popular from Mexico to Argentina

Wasn't rewritten to hell and back after some woke thing it had?

>>211984060
>>211986802
The title is too clever for the audience, and 4chan. It's a pun on LEO.

I think Disney wants Pixar to just come in-house for good like they did in their heyday where they reportedly always wanted more control but honestly I don't know why after the last flop and the last flop before it why they haven't shitcanned them if such is the case. Studios have been shut down for less

>>211987835
If it's 'too clever' then it's a dogshit title. It's a kids movie.

>>211987840
Disney has no reason to run a decades long humiliation ritual on Pixar when they're performing one on themselves.

>>211983611 (OP)
>gay child goes to space with communist aliens
yawn

>>211985501
Is that fantano

>>211987924
Jew in charge wants to sell Disney to get a huge bonus.
Problem is it's still way to expensive for anyone to be interested in buying it.

>>211983611 (OP)
>woke
>brown
>lgbt
>buzzwords
>buzzwords

The reason it failed is because the premise is fucking overdone and boring

>misfit kid with a heart of gold gets bullied at school for his weird interest/personality
>parents are worried about their kid being a misfit loser thats going nowhere fast
>meets some character/being/monster or group of outsiders that accept them for who they are
>goes on some adventure, redems themselves in the eyes of their peers/parents
>saves the school/town/city/world due to their weird interests/hobbies/abilities
>sappy commentary about "being yourself"
>movie ends with tearjerker scene where the friend has to go away/dies/sacrifices themselves, "we will always be friends", main character redeems themselves in the eyes of parents/peers, make friends at school, happy ending

How many times have they made this movie in the last 15 fucking years?

>>211983714
First time i heard anything about this movie is when threads started asking why it flopped. It got 0 advertising and it just looks ugly like everyone else points out.

>>211987835
>It's a pun on LEO
What

>>211983611 (OP)
It's a mystery anon.

>>211984061
pixar kneels to the grubhub commercial from 5 years ago

>>211984060
This threw me off too. I saw a poster for it the other day and genuinely couldn't figure out what it was about.

>>211986786
Cars 2. Its pure kino and filters retards who dont understand its a James Bond deconstruction.

>>211987522
PJ Sam goes hard. I always preferred it to Putt-putt, Spy Fox, and Freddie Fish

>>211988215
yeah but this time they are ugly brown freaks and also there's a gay couple probably

>>211988345
Just read the letters out loud. It's really not that deep

I'm stealing this because it's a perfect explanation

>Remember that part in Moneyball where Billy and Pete are sitting with all the old scouts and every time one of them says something dumb or outdated Billy points at Pete? That’s what these constant ‘why are movies flopping?’ stories are for me. The studios have told people that they can watch movies in usually <45 days from the theatrical release date on a subscription streaming service they already pay for.

>>211988598
That doesn't really explain why some movies flop and some movies succeed

>>211988215
Fuck off faggot

>>211988598
Inside Out 2 has storytelling quality of a straight-to-DVD Disney sequel from 00s but that one made gazillions despite going to streaming a month+ later too.

>>211983611 (OP)
its the ice raids that tanked this lantinx slop's potential at the box office

>>211988658
Almost every movie now is flopping though. It used to be a little less than half of movies, say 40-45% would turn a profit in the theatres. And even some that didn't back in the day you could leverage rentals (before that went belly up), DVD sales, etc.

Since the pandemic, less than 10% or films are now turning a profit in theatres. That's not sustainable or recoverable.

>>211988658
>>211988759
That's the thing, you're going to have an occasional hit that just has everything going for it where it bucks the trend. But look at the industry a whole and it's getting killed.

>>211984060
it really is this simple

>>211987714
whu?, where?, in bongland or something?, 99% of spics are more worried about cashing in their paycheck, watching some fucho and shittalking their government, the only ones that go off with stupidity like that are the absolute scum that passes off as migrants or the deluded < 1% with their kiddies and posh mommies and daddies

>>211986786
>A bug's life that high, when it's just seven samurai with bugs, and not a good seven samurai

Here's my Seven Samurai movies that I've seen ranked
>Seven Samurai
>13th Warrior
>Magnificent seven
>Seven samurai (2004 anime series)
>A bug's life
>Rebel Moon

>>211984142
with a deduction like that it's a wonder why you're not the CEO of Disney

People used to go to the movies at least once a month, maybe even every 1-2 weeks. Those same people now go once or twice a year.

>>211983732
if a white director puts a white character in a movie is that self inserting too

>>211988598
its wrong tho. movies flop more now for two reasons: the bar to see a movie is much higher bc i can watch any kino at home for free, and now that most movies are not shot on film, they are tired and uninspired as each shot does not cost money. Why think about lighting, set design, effects, etc., when you can just hire jeet effects artists to edit everything in post?

>>211988598
It is NOT a good explanation because it's not even a good argument.
That has NOTHING to do with movies failing.
In fact, videogames do that all the time releasing pre-launches, and ahead entry to the game and the like, and people gobble those up, to have first dibs on the game.
As a matter of undeniable fact that supports my argument and demolish yours, it's movies making the bulk of their revenue on the first week, if not the first day.
Having first dibs in a media with some perks is a huge bonus, I don't know why you act like it's a malus.
While streaming can be a small factor for people that don't care about waiting (just like in games), the problem is elsewhere.

>>211989048
I personally take a sick glee in the waste that comes from endless expensive reshoots that will just end up being 90% jeetfx anyway.

>>211984268
People who "found their people" at an art school need to be rounded up and put on trains. I went to an art school for a year and a half and longed for the down to Earth people I'd left behind

>>211989048
>The studios have told people that they can watch movies in usually <45 days from the theatrical release date on a subscription streaming service they already pay for.
Bro everything else you are saying, this right here is it, it's the reason. Quality has never been a great indicator of a movie being successful. See for example Fast&Furious slop, etc.

>>211989197
My point was that most people dont even watch new releases once they hit home video. they just watch reruns or old releases instead. knowing you can watch something in 45 days doesn't have that big of an effect.

>>211988215
>The reason it failed is because the premise is fucking overdone and boring
No one even knows the premise, no one knows what the fuck this movie is about, if it wasn't for shitpost threads on /tv/ I would have no idea it involved space at all, they should have called it "Faggot Kid in Space" and it would have made 1bil easy

>>211983611 (OP)
Disney films with male protagonist always flop apart from aladdin
>Soul
>Luca
>Strange World
>Lightyear
>The Good Dinosaur
>Meet the Robinsons
>Treasure Planet
Disney is a company for women

>>211983611 (OP)
ugly, stupid and dumb

>>211989130
>As a matter of undeniable fact that supports my argument and demolish yours, it's movies making the bulk of their revenue on the first week,
This is the case now but it didn't use to be this way, and never to this extent. Go look at Avatar or Titanic's box office. The fact is 2019 was the peak year for Cinema financially. You had the pandemic in 2020, and then what happened? Everyone started dropping shit on streaming almost immediately or shortly into a theatre run once they were reopened. Cinema never recovered, and ever will because this continues.

>>211988345
>>211988591
since anon is up his own asshole, LEO means Low Earth Orbit

>>211989416
Robin Hood was a hit
So was Tarzan
Hercules
Lion King is as much a disney staple as fucking mickey at this point
The Jungle Book
I think you are just trolling

>>211983611 (OP)
Because it contains absolutely zero components anyone wants to see. Nu-Pixar can't make original films. They are just a DTV sequel company now.

>>211983899
That's not unusual for Pixar. However in the past they were swapping in and out guys like Brad Bird and Pete Doctor

>>211989495
I don't get it. What does that have to do with anything? The title is still weak. It's just the character's name and he isn't cool enough to get that one-name-only basis like a guy like Zorro does.

>>211984268
Also this. Tim Burton can get away with schmaltz slop because he has his own style.

>>211989485
>Go look at Avatar or Titanic's box office.
This was never a "case". You are posting two pics of the same director that explicitly follows a niche formula god knows how
Titanic was on theaters 11 FUCKING MONTHS, and Avatar 8 FUCKING MONTHS
That was never "the case for movies", that was never "a thing" and that was never "how it used to be".
I don't know who he bribed to be able to do that, but that's not regular movies

>>211985059
This is normal at Pixar. Their book said that they would view every project once chosen as a team effort where other directors or writers could be brought in.

>>211989561
I think it's the beanermouth. Coming of age plots for ethnic kid X in country Y are what they are, but that gross fucking bean mouth is so offputting that nobody wants to give it even a second of day.

>>211987840
Steve Jobs and George Lucas predicted this would happen and were always nervous about Pixar being ruined by Disney if they agreed to be consumed by them

>>211984036
Dumb haircut

>>211989655
The first Harry Potter film grossed a billion. It made 10% of that the opening week.

>>211989515
all those movies are 30 year old or remakes lol
Moana 2 made more than any of that crap and it was a literal tv show

>>211989664
It's part of it
>Home viewing experience is better than ever before
>Cinema experience is the worst it's ever been and massively more expensive than it has been
>Movie quality is the lowest it's ever been

>>211989664
>some dogshit flops
>PEOPLE ARE JUST WAITING FOR IT TO HIT STREAMING SERVICES CINEMA IS DYIN-
>lilo & stitch made a billion

Do kids even like this type of adventure anymore?

>>211989828
By the time the first harry potter film was made hp books already sold like a billion copies, it was running on Goblet of Fire books by the first film
How is that also a normal thing or a normal movie release, that's absolutely atypical as well
You keep posting fucking outliers and trying to pass that as "the movies"

>>211990063
no they don't even watch movies in theaters anymore its all tiktok or youtube shorts

>>211990101
Gone with the Wind made more money real inflation adjusted (shadowstats) than any movie in history

>>211987673
Audiences seem to react incredibly better to African Americans than mystery meat. Mexican is pushing it. Indian/Southeast Asian/Middle Eastern is straight up financial suicide.

>>211990246
At a time before anyone owned a television. It also stayed in theaters longer than any movie in history, and it's not even close.

>>211990257
Live action Aladdin made a billion dollareedoos.

>>211983832
Kek

>>211990246
>"Gone with the Wind" had an initial theatrical run of over two years, from its premiere in 1939 to its final showings in 1942
STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO ME YOU DEGENERATE IMBRED RETARD

>>211990359
And also Jungle Book

>>211989664
What is this clip from?

>>211983799
>we make this shitty country run
You are a parasite and cause bloat.

>>211990410
okay

>>211990410
Ok Bro. Go eat some cheetohs and chill out.

>>211990101
Frozen
$1.3 billion gross, $100 million opening weekend globally.

>>211983611 (OP)
It's not visually appealing and had no marketing

>>211983611 (OP)
Real answer I would say is that the story seems engaging to no one and is not based on any religious or cultural myth or tale. It's not a retelling of a famous story either like Lion King or Little Mermaid. It's just modern slop with modern slop CGI and design and it's about some dumb kid.

because you already watched the movie without watching the movie just by looking at the trailer
>misunderstood brown kid goes to alien planet and becomes accepted and finds out he belongs or whatever

wow riveting

>>211983611 (OP)
Because the story doesn't appeal to any actual children

>>211983611 (OP)
He is brown

>>211983611 (OP)
summary:
>ugly
>brown
>grubhub beanmouth
>move title doesn't say what it's about
>doesn't actually appeal to boys
>trailer gives away the plot
>women at the helm
>gay
>family trauma underpinning the narrative
>soulless

>>211990868
The Eiffel Tower has a total of 1,665 steps
So what, I don't get the factoid

It made millions
Shit posting aside the funniest thing is nobody on this site has actually seen this movie not even cam rips

>>211993312
i did

>>211989904
Low effort

>>211989616
It's about a kid who wants to be abducted by aliens

>>211984060
“Alien Elio” would’ve immediately been better

>>211983611 (OP)

>The Adventures of Bean Mouth 12

>>211988215
>How many times have they made this movie in the last 15 fucking years?
name any others, if you can

>>211988598
then why are lilo and how to fuck your dragon making so much money?

>>211993006
That anon kept saying every movie makes all its money during opening week and I keep BTFO him with various examples. I'm telling him this is only a recent phenomena.

>>211984081
The problem is that Elio has ZERO appeal and ZERO identity. Coco has that unique Dia de muertos aesthetic and even a whole afterlife worldbuilding.

>>211994333
Lilo Dragon were existing proven IP and the exception. Nearly all the live action Disney hits were successes. They are part of the 10% of films that are turning a profit in theatres. Most new IP (Elio, etc.) is DOA.

Remember 40-45% of films turned profit in theatres pre-pandemic before streaming max.

>character is unpopular/weird and wishes to be abducted/sent to another world, he does and he meets cooky characters, learns about himself and comes back bettr and more confident

I dont watch isekai slop but isnt all of them like this? Besides isekai I can think of Gash bell, lilo and stitch, the owl house, amphibia, ruby gillman teenage kraken, spirited away, infinity train, over the garden wall...all having a fairly similar premise

>>211989011
But if a white director did what Elio did and had EVERY character be white except the violent bully villain and the comic relief manchild loser, EVERY entertainment rag would condemn it as a racist whitesoopreemisist fantasy unfit for children.

Pixar does the reverse with Elio and no one blinks an eye and/or acknowledges it as a good thing.

>>211995245
And nobody blinks an eye as nobody watches the piece of shit lol

>>211994491
It's depressing how if mexican culture isn't wrapped up in the idea of death or tacos that America by large doesn't care about it.

>>211983611 (OP)
>hispanic is a thief
Like pottery.

>>211983799
lmao

>>211983611 (OP)
People have very low trust in Disney movies right now. Disney needs to rebuild that trust for people to see original works like this with no background. Great movies are a great way to rebuild trust. Remakes are a cheap and easy way to build trust, potentially the fastest. They wasted all their remakes on NAACP propaganda and now they have to work twice as hard to undo the damage of the remakes and then to build up their trust again.

I’m not holding my breath. Disney might be done. The Bond movies certainly are.

>>211995490
Blue Beetle, retard

>>211990179
yeah wait a minute, movies used to be a "take the family and get the kids (and hopefully yourself) entertained for 100mins" but why the fuck would you do that when your kid's been fed a diet of spiderman and elsa videos for years atp

>>211994285
Not the same anon, but Chicken Little is the first thing that popped to mind.

>>211983611 (OP)
>Elio

You guys notice how its really close to sounding like “alien”? Damn, now THAT is clever.

>>211992625
Also theres no character growth. They refuse to give these characters any bad aspects because thats racist so instead the perfect grubhub bean changes the evil world

1.) It doesn't appeal to older audiences by being woke calarts beanmouth

2.) Zoomies don't watch scripted stuff or cartoons anymore. It's just weird vaguely satanic shit on tiktok/youtube about like "you can't believe how this blind cat found its way back home" with a weird AI slop thumbnail.

>>211989735
Is there a CalArts(tm) Bean Mouth(c) movie that hasn't flopped?

>>211995490
thats all they have to offer

Will this movie make more or less than Ruby Gillman? (which I was rooting for as underdog until I saw that it's overtly anti-white then I was glad it lost all the money)

>>211983611 (OP)
The art is bad and everything about this is uninteresting. I can't even tell the difference between this and the previous movie Elio or Luca. Also he's too brown.

>>211984060
If they were going to use a name in the title they should have referenced the alien characters instead, like 'My Best Friend Glordon'

ugly art style
uninteresting story

>>211989011
At least a white director would make sure to make the main characters appealing.

>>211996942
if it were about him learning to stop being a sissy and become brave I'd appreciate it, what isn't apparent is that the character has anything to learn or change him in some way, he is a passive recipient to events in the story.
the lack of agency doesnt appeal to boys

>>211983611 (OP)
Latinx (the target market) are afraid of in-theatre ICE raids.

>>211986038
Anon called it back in 2022.

I feel like the movie already came out in 2015

>>211997924
>buy a tixet to the latest disney latinx jerkoff session
>sit down with your nine foster kids as they hold your extra buckets of popcorn
>theater falcons mistake your late stage diseased skin tone and haul you off to CECOT

>>211997924
The kid looks pretty white to me idk what everyone's talking about when they mention he's brown

>>211997964
I mean I don't think it's even secret, it's kind of just an obvious combination of straightforward statements etc., that the gay director who said he was making this about his childhood alienation, makes a movie where a fey kid with no one like him around gets pulled into this community of fruity characters and finds 'his people'. it was thinly veiled version of the basic gay child story.

>>211986038
>>211997964
He looks gayer in the left pic than with his leg crossed

Pixar has been creatively dead for more than a decade now, really since the Disney purchase. It's basically an IP holding company.

>>211989664
>it's streaming, you guys! N-no, VHS, DVD, torrents and online downloads were all different!
Do you even watch modern movies? They're shit. Any random year from the 80s has more watchable Hollywood movies than the last whole fucking decade. Hollywood failing has nothing to do with the fact that people only need to wait a month instead of three to watch a new movie in HQ for no extra charge.

>>211999983
Its funny how gay people make media that shows themselves how they think of themselves and they point straight people to it like 'look!' and it just makes straight people go 'eeeugh'. I had two different gay guys implore me to watch that Perks of a Wallflower movie because I guess they thought I would think the ezra miller character was cool and be like 'oh, i get it now, you guys are cool'. But I was disturbed by him instead

>>212000220
And what you described is a literal phobia. As in, actual definition of a phobia.

Elemental and Soul were both good. I'll watch Elio but who the fuck goes to the cinema in 2025 lol.

>>212000263
yes but as we all know, this line isn't effective since it's not beneficial to buy into the idea that all things are good and any aversion to anything is irrational. sure, if you're actually pursuing spiritual transcendence, when horror, sickness and death are good too - but nobody is doing that, we're living in conventional reality where yes, some things are gross, and it's peak reddit to think you're enlightened because you subverted your default aversions.
>I'm actually glad people play music on their phone speakers, it's funky, and gives the commute a cool groove

>>211986936
What a fay fucking time-line, Pixar is now just making victim porn, so fucking done with all thesr whiny pussies. "Life as an immigrant is SO hard in America!"
Ok so stay home

>>212000263
Disgust and fear aren't the same.

>>211983611 (OP)
It didn't flop Chud, box office isn't everything. Theres still streaming

>>211983611 (OP)
>movie about spic
>involves aliens
lmao did they really

>>212000987
It's been done

>>212001081
man jones was so typecast... what did he do when he was younger and couldn't plausibly play a weary lawman?

>>211983677
Why are you talking to school children?

>>212000479
You sound like an honest to faggot, only gay people talk in this affected way.

>>211995245
>But if a white director did what Elio did and had EVERY character be white except the violent bully villain and the comic relief manchild loser
That was the norm in film-making from when it was invented until about 20 years ago and nobody blinked an eye.

>>212001442
lol
>you're a homophobe-i mean, you're a faggot

Do you want picrel to remain hidden and half forgotten, or do you want Disney to try a remake/sequel?

>>211986134
Its good when you need to lean forward on your knee. Get an arm planted there and it's fairly comfortable.

I wouldn't pick it as a neutral position, though

>>211986936
Pixar needs to fucking die with this shit

Just make a straightforward story about being a guy with some normal human issues that eventually get exposed and solved.
Every single one of their actually good movies were about the human condition in some way.
These introverted immigrant upbringing movies need to die already

There's essentially zero market for them outside of the 70iq mongrels that self insert "it's literally meeeeeee" when they watch them.

Pixar's two best movies of recent years (Inside Out 2 and Turning Red) were about girls rather than boys, it's very telling

>>211988759
Inside out 1 was already scraping the barrel dogshit in terms of themes, plotting, pacing, aesthetics and tension

I shudder to think what 2 was like

>>212001184
>he doesn't talk to target audiences for movies for a better perspective

>>211988215
>it failed because it's derivative
>how many movies are like this from the past 15 years?
I dunno anon, name 5, and then name 5 that the target audience for this movie would have seen.

>>212001450
name three

>>211989011
Yes but 4chan is mostly white and anons want to see white characters.
Are you starting to see what the problem is?

>>211984061
i refuse to believe this wasn't an elite demoralization psyop

>>212001893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tT_PMnEbU

>>211986134
I've never been able to do it. My hips are too narrow or something

>>212001648
> about being a guy with some normal human issues
what would be the point of animating that? The thing you somehow missed is that these normal guys also happened to be stuffed toys, cars, fish, etc. The last 8 movies or something it's just people, which imo should NEVER be pixar style 3d animated. I remember watching toy story and enjoying it except any time humans were on screen where i was like "aggh that looks so shitttt"

>>211986323
>bunch of jewish homosexual communists liked a movie funded by jews about a brown child.
Quelle suprise

>>212001999
Point is toy story and finding nemo and incredibles ultimately all are about universal truths and experiences humans have - they are not hyper specific in the way these foreigner growing up in another country immigrant movies are.

The real problem of /co/ media in general is the lack of passion. They don't really know what they want to make themselves.

>>212000263
Phobia means fear. The greek suffix for disgust is -misia. He's describing homomisia not homophobia.

>>212001855
If the context of the movie took place in majority brown setting, far fewer people even on 4chin would have an issue with it. Elio takes place on an american military base in america and +95% of all the human characters (even in the background) are brown. The creators purposely brownwashed everyone in a setting where the majority of humans would be white.

It makes no sense in context other than the creators explicitly saying "yes and that's a good thing" while promoting the movie.

>>212001123
He did Broadway out of college and random roles until he was about 30, at which point the gruff lawman train took off and never stopped.

>>212001855
>Yes but 4chan is mostly white
insert pics of /pol/ meetup here

>>211986786
Finding Dory that bad? I thought it was funny

>>212002225
the miso goes at the front though like misophonia.
so for 'homo' it would be...

>first openly gay disney protagonist
i wonder why

>>211988215
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1387006547249.jpg/page/2/
>he's been posting the same image for over 10 years

>>212001999
I agree that pixar can't do humans.
But I also agree with other anon. Elemental being an allegory for racism made me think "Okay, not for me". Ultimately they never got my money despite not being a humans-doing-things story but yet another "modern values" story.
>>212002112
I honestly didn't like Nemo because it was
>single parent
>disabled child
>characters met along the way have disabilities too
the only thing that kept me interested was that I'm male and most of the characters were male.
That's also a part of why I stopped caring about Toy Story, I don't care about girls. That and the good writers left, starting at 2.

>>212002409
>>he's been posting the same image for over 10 years
BASED

>>211983611 (OP)
Ugly Cal-Arts ameri-mutt characters don't have DEI funding anymore.

>>212002377
that was just some meme. i was searching about this today because that obviously didn't end up in the film after revisions so did they actually say it? no, there's nothing but a tumblr post with imagined rumors. I mean, I think he WAS going to be gay, but not openly

>>212002257
No I genuinely think white people want to see white people, brown people brown, black people black, chinese chinese, indian indian.
And that until everyone is muttified in a gay communist utopia with jutting jawlines and rainbow flags, we're all going to buy only what we see ourselves in.

>>212002146
Problem with /co/ media is the same as all other current Hollywood media: they replaced all the competent people with token minorities and political activists.

>>212002265
/pol/ isn't 4chan. It was literally created as an excuse for mods to ban people for going into political shitpost wars on other boards. No one actually used it as intended. It was a dead board with a few troll threads until the normalfag election tourists poured in and they are still the ones who populate it.

>>212002473
Then why did the world use to watch Hollywood movies with all-white casts back when Hollywood was good? Why does the world watch anime and Korean dramas now? Why does Hollywood make chump change from the HUGE African market despite putting more and more blacks in their films?

>>212002419
Protective/coddling parent vs young boy that wants to break free seems fine at its core

>>211987835
>tfw to intelligent too sell a movie

>>212002679
you fucking retard.
that's the second dipshit anon that takes a dumb pun post as serious, and then gloats smugly on top of their own mistake.
You really think the pixar movie about a gay kid and aliens is a play on Law Enforcement Officer?

>>212002470
the rumor was enough to kill people's interest

>>211987060
> gay shotacons
Female shotacons have better standards confirmed.

>>212002979
yeah but they don't make movies.

>>211984258
It factually does not.

>>212002604
>Then why did the world use to watch Hollywood movies with all-white casts back when Hollywood was good?
Because national and international releases went to an affluent all-white audience, and there were no alternatives to Hollywood.
>Why does the world watch anime and Korean dramas now?
... it doesn't.
If I look up Korean dramas there are no names I recognise. There was only one that "everyone" watched for the first two episodes and I don't remember its name. The fictional gameshow where people died for money.

If you're into anime you're an outcast from your society and identify with the Japanese race (2D) more than your own despite having never met a Japanese person nor lived in their culture. It's genuinely disturbing to contemplate and makes it worrying when related to other desires people have that seem only related to media consumption and presenteeism (e.g. pride).
>Why does Hollywood make chump change from the HUGE African market despite putting more and more blacks in their films?
African-Americans and Africans aren't the same people culturally, even racially.
Africa is financially poor.
Black people in America still don't have the majority of America's disposable income and prefer other outlets.
Depicted blacks aren't culturally the same as the black audience, aka "coconut". A similar conundrum is making a movie about gay whites and wondering why it's not universally popular among whites, see image related, white women know what they want, and it definitely wasn't some gay Rwandan, and there weren't enough gay Rwandans watching to prop up viewership.

>>212001593
They can't reasonably remake this because it came out in a really weird moment in the late 90s early 00s where all the big animation companies were targeting men/boys after going all out on princesses and furries earlier in the decade.
>Road to El Dorado
>Atlantis
>Titan AE
>Treasure Planet
>Iron Giant
All had male protagonists. All were made by obvious nerds inspired by pulps and B-movies. All had a misfit as their main character, but he'd act in conventionally masculine ways instead of just being le sad outcast. And they all failed at the box office.

>>212001593
>>212003168
If this ends up happening and they black and/or dyke my Captain Amelia I'm gonna be very upset.

>>212003168
>>212003184
All those movies were fucking great tho wtf

>>212003168
That's crazy that Iron Giant flopped
Did it have really bad marketing or something?

>>212003265
Yes but it also sucked

>>212003085
>only rich whites watched Hollywood movies
OK, then riddle me this. Why did everyone love Jackie Chan and Eddie Murphy movies? It's not the ethnics that make Hollywood shit, it's the incompetence and activism.

Saw someone point out that not only is the animation ugly, but the cinematography is awful. Every shot in the movie has the subject center frame with nothing going on in the peripherals. No rule or 3rds. they may as well have made it in smart phone aspect ratio

>>211983611 (OP)
cal arts bean mouth slop

>>212003382
>Why did everyone love
>Jackie Chan
Uhhh... could you tell me which ones?
He has a prolific filmography but when I look up the ones I remember seeing, their box office take implies it was a failure or a modest so-so and it all seems dwarfed by him appearing in Chinese films by and for the Hong Kong market (and a bunch of them were flops) and now for the greater Chinese market as a legacy actor who has connections, not talent, nor good directors.
>Eddie Murphy
I unno. I recognise some titles but half of it seems to be middling box office releases. A zesty comedy black man being popular in the past is weird. That or he became as washed up as Jackie around the '90s.
>ethnicity doesn't matter
It really does. A cultural and racial fit are the priority. If it's unrelatable, you lose sales.

>>211987835
The kid is named Elio Solis. Elio is just a muttified version of Helios, so the kid is named 'Sun Sun'.

Which is kind of a pun, I guess, but not one that has anything to do with LEO

>>212003377
Iron giant was good

>>212003621
>sales
Good and profitable aren't the same thing. I'm saying a white guy can tremendously enjoy a movie staring a black and Asian guy as long as the writing and acting are good. If you refilm all of current Hollywood movies with all-white casts, they would still be unwatchable shit.

>>212003621
>I unno
get lost

>>212001442
>>212001570
KEK

>>212003265
I think the studio was closed before it even came out. There was some weird mismanagement going on there.

>>212003707
>entire comment chain about making money
>"But what about..."
>it didn't make money
>"Yeah but it's not about that"
???
>"Yeah but current culture bad"
Yes. It is. And race is a contributing factor.
Why are you a Sith who believes you could have an all black cast and whites wouldn't say "It's not for me" because you made it culturally white?

>>211983611 (OP)
Woke fatigue. We're sick of brown people.

>>211987835
LEO, formerly Chuck??

>>211983611 (OP)
Why do these cartoons cost like 200 million dollars ?

>>211983611 (OP)
i don't even know what this calarts beanmouth slop is. kind of looks like wallace and gromit actually, but not claymation

>>212003945
Inflation mostly.

>>211989904
the goalposts have left the stadium

>>212003945
corporate bureaucracy bloat and money laundering.

>>211988345
El E O
L E O

>>212003621
zoomer pls go

>>212003778
IDK who the hell you started this argument with. I joined when you said movies suck just because the people in them are the wrong color. That's bullshit. Good writing, acting and cinematography is like 90% of the movie. Terminator 2 with all black actors would still be good.

>>211983611 (OP)
Because it looks exactly the same as the last 10 movies they've released, people probably genuinely don't realise that this is a new movie.

>>212004146
what the fuck is LEO

>>212004459
Low Earth Orbit
It's a space thing

>>211983611 (OP)
People claim because it got zero advertising, but they're wrong. The truth is it got zero USEFUL advertising. I'd seen adverts for it on billboards, bus stops, sides of buses, even a few TV commercials, basically all the old methods of advertising that nobody but boomers and other marketers notice. But they had no social media presence, no memes, no virality, no methods of getting in front of kids and tired parents to make them aware that it existed.

And the reason is that Disney made the usual mistake of handing their marketing budget to their friends, rather than to those of us who have the greater hold over the modern marketing spaces. It's that nepotism issue rearing its ugly head again, so they would rather waste millions on failed marketing techniques if it meant their buddy got a paypack. It's why so many "exec producers" have shares in production companies, because they want the money going back to them rather than someone else.

They spent ~$300 million on their own production and advertising costs, paying a fraction of it in taxes, and then made $40 million on top. They walk away from a flop with their costs already covered.

>>211983799
Jew

>>211989416
sould was fucking gay
luca was fucking gay
never even heard of strange world
lightyear fucking gay
good dinosaur fucking gay
meet the robinsons kino
treasure planet kino
MAYBE THE ISSUE IS THAT WOMEN SHOULDNT BE MAKING MENS STORIES

>>212005188
The title of the movie definitely is not a reference to this. He is called Elio because the original gay director of the movie was making it about his (gay)child-hood, and Elio is the main character boy in the recent Oscar winning movie Call Me By Your Name where Elio eats a gay man's cum out of a peach.

>>211984030
Blue states, the best educated and the richest ones welcome immigrants to do manual labour

>>212004392
>I don't know what the fuck the argument was about but I have an opinion
Then you are wrong.

>>211994285
Lilo and stitch, Meet the Robinsons

>>212004146
E I E I (annoyed grunt)

>>212002409
This post is genuine mental illness

>>211983611 (OP)
The Cal-arts kidney bean mouth style has worn thin on generation alpha and also he looks creepy with that stupid fucking eye patch on. Also the story just isn't very interesting. Boy makes friends with alien boy and stops invasion? That's just so fucking dull no matter how many twists and turns you put in it.

>>211983611 (OP)
I mean, look at it OP. Its lame and gay.

>>211983611 (OP)
The main character is:
>brown
>gay
The answer is pretty simple.

>>211983611 (OP)
They didn't grub what they love.

>>211985889
What's with the casting couch pic?

>>211994285
Mars needs moms

>generic cal arts you can find on any tv channel now
>hazy premise
>Pixar no longer associated with brilliant mass appeal animated flicks

The brand is tarnished

Pixar was following the tradition of early Disney, creating stories that resonate with traditional American families. They focused on "human" stories that anyone in any culture can relate to, as long as they value family, kindness, loyalty, etc. The basics of what all of Humanity can agree on is good.

But we're 20 years into progressive moral relativism and we can't really define good or evil anymore. A young mom abandoning her child to the State to focus on her career can be argued as "good" by a chunk of modern audiences. Prince Charming could never rescue a princess as it would undermine her power. Creative fields are entirely dominated by women, gay men, with straight men who are terrified of the women and gay men who run the field. So there is no masculinity entering the product. The Male and Female mind are different, and when both perspectives come together to tell stories they can resonate with everyone... but modern animation has become dominated by Female stories and the Male part of the package has been erased... that's why all these new family movies feel off in some indescribable way, because there is 0 male perspective. Not to mention these movies are all ideologically captured by extreme Hollywood progressivism.

Elio should be interesting. I love seeing what some of the top artists in the world can do given a blank canvass to invent their own alien creatures and worlds, that should be beautiful to behold! But instead, I see minority military aunts and brown kids and all I think about are modern politics and the US's current demographic war for domination. It makes me completely uninterested in seeing more, because I just know already that this is going to be another feminized tale that tries to check the boxes on a heartwarming family movie but has zero masculine identity and will end up soulless.

>>212001184
>what are teachers
>what is being in school and then getting older to make this post

>>211986038
So disney really is irredeemable

>>212000866
Just two more years. Trust the plan.

Disney is just out of touch with their current audience

>>212001450
I genuinely can't think of many movies with all white protagonists and all non-white antagonists that aren't war films (and even those will usually have black and brown soldiers if the U.S. is involved).

>>211990525
>and cause bloat.
Yeah, we've seen the pics of AOC and Moner

>>211983611 (OP)
Because Disney and Pixar movies are indistinguishable from a Grubhub ad in aesthetics, plot and themes.

>>211987714
Yes we wanna bang mid pudgy white girls and start families with them, so?
We still prefer cool dudes punching things in our media over the faggy fatboys crying over their feelings a la Steven Universe

>>211985889
Write what you know, right?
I don't even need to look to know that this character is a self insert of the writer or director. That is probably a faggot son a illegal immigrants.

>>211983799
Go back

>>211990491
Dineropelota

>>212002304
the miso goes in my food then the food goes in my belly

>>211989011
>if a white director puts a white character in a movie, the movie will be popular with both white people and nonwhites
Fixed that for you, since you didn't seem to understand the concept.

>>211994151
I'm I unfair to give gumball a pass? Since it was novel back then.

>>211997224
This

>>211986323
Exactly.

>>212003168
>And they all failed at the box office.
Makes you lose faith in people.

>>211984036
>>211984061

>>211984081
>Why do they keep doing it?
I've been asking myself the same question for a long time.
Pixar movies fail reliably.
Marvel movies do too.
Regular Disney movies too.

They must have some tax break tricks or they would get sued by their shareholders.

>>211983611 (OP)
Americans (white) stopped consuming media for some retarded notion about "doing right" by minority groups. You can only force this bullshit and rub people's noses in it for so long before diminishing returns catches up to you.

White people are still the single biggest demographic in the West (and no, "PoC" as a similar MONOLITHIC entity doesn't exist.) White people gave 15 years of just putting up with forced diversity everywhere, and now they want to get back to more stuff like Brave™ and less Jose In Taco land™

>>212001450
Not really, the 80's and 90's were all about inclusion and token characters

>>212011993
>They must have some tax break tricks
They were getting ESG funding through BlackRock as well as directly from the US government. They probably still are.

>>212012573
They probably still are. As a CEO you kind of have to chose the movie you get a 0% loan for. Otherwise the board would replace you.

>>212002265
>Chuds aren't le white
Why do they always do this?

>>212002528
>revisionist history
Why do they always do this?

>>211988215
Cloudy with a chance of meatballs is this to a T

>>212012767
>he's arguing with me again
Why do you always do this?