Is this the greatest Star Trek show?

Favorite 'sodes? Favorite 'aracters? Favorite 'ets?

>>212014442 (OP)
Any ferengi episode, luv me Rom, luv me Gaila, luv me Brunt, simple as

>>212014442 (OP)
ds9 sucks
but i will henceforth respect your thread and not flood it with examples of ds9 suck

>>212014619
Thank you, anon. There's too much dishonest posting going around these days so it's genuinely appreciated.

>>212014442 (OP)
I liked TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager.

Never watched anything else except the movie with the whales.

quark is fun. shimerman did a good job with it.
has he done anything else worth watching? i can recall seeing him anywhere else

>>212014904
He was the principal in Buffy and I’ve seen him in some bit roles but that’s about it

>>212014904
He played a rat-faced alien in a movie, the title of which eludes me at the moment.

>>212014904
He's Andrew Ryan in BioShock. I always hoped they would make a show out of that one day or something.

>>212014505
Thats EX-Liquidator Brunt

>>212015140
usually hate when they do that but bioshock is a great fit for it. unique setting and the games left a lot story to be explored in more detail

>>212015449
It'd be nice to see him reprise the role of Ryan.
It's a shame Rene died before he could play Mr. House again in the Fallout show.

>>212014442 (OP)
I prefer tng. But mostly because i never got the idea of Star Trek in one location

>>212015532
There's really not much to get. Star Trek, TNG, and the films created an interesting setting and DS9 is a story set within it.
If you think Trek was all about flying around space in a starship, well, you're just wrong. It was always about the stories, from the very beginning (The Cage). Exploration was just a means to an end to arrive at those stories.

>>212015613
>If you think Trek was all about flying around space in a starship, well, you're just wrong
I think star trek was stories about exploration in space, hence it's name you weird autist lol

You can tell DS9 has finally taken it's rightful place at the top for the way every other stan of the other series has acted the last year or so.

>>212015532
DS9 goes off the station all the fucking time, who cares that they head home after the story instead of fly off into space.
DS9 has loads of tng esque episodes. Probably more than half of them even

>>212015688
What are they exploring in Court Martial or Measure of a Man exactly?

Some of the best Star Trek stories are bottle episodes where the crew doesn't even leave the ship so I've always thought that was kind of a silly distinction.

>>212014442 (OP)
>Is this the greatest Star Trek show?
definitely

>>212015877
>what are they exploring in measure of man
They are exploring the measure of a man retard

>>212016739
Right and you can do that on a space station too which is my point.

>>212014442 (OP)
No, the entire plot is basically
a fuck you to the American government of the Gulf War

>>212016796
That's why every other season past 2 takes place in that one space station, because exploration doesn't matter lol

>>212014904

https://youtu.be/P2ll4NqVPcc?t=11

>>212017140
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bottle_show

>>212015688
>Star Trek
>they don't actually do any physical walking
>no episodes take place on stars

>>212017014

No it's an attack on the founding fathers. The Dominion shapeshifters = founders, also look like 18th century men with powdered faces and wigs.

>>212017428

>>212017396
They walk all the time, weird cope autist

>>212017396
>no episodes take place on stars
beverly crusher literally uses a metaphasic shield to hide in the corona of a star in descent, you idiot

>>212018331
So why doesn't ever episode after that take place in the corona of a star then if trekking on stars is so important you weird autist?

>>212018938
You have to build up to the money shot and execute it only once, like the drum break in In The Air Tonight. Otherwise you cheapen the experience

ayo picard was happin'

>>212020020
AYO JAY EL THEY DUN THINK IT BE LIKE IT IS BUT IT DO MMM-HMMM

>>212020237
BELEE DAT

>>212014442 (OP)
https://youtu.be/6VhSm6G7cVk

>>212015083
Same anon here, I think it's Arena.

>>212020270
Didn't they remaster this in HD for the documentary? Is that not on youtube? gonna look for it

>>212020666
checked

>>212014442 (OP)
The greatest star trek was only made by literally stealing everything for the far superior show kek.

>>212022923

>>212014442 (OP)
>Favorite 'sodes?
The ones with Garak in them
>Favorite 'aracters?
Garak mostly. But other than him the two best main characters are obviously Miles "Spoonhead Slaughter" O'Brien and Kira Nerys. Her feisty attitude in that petite banging body, good lord I would do things to here there isnt even a name for yet.

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>>212026122

Akoocheemoya

>>212014442 (OP)
>Is this the greatest Star Trek show?
Voyager is better but Sisko is a better captain

For me, it's 'ri

>>212029657
I like her, she's alright. I would've definitely said Ezri > Jadzia if she had been around for longer, just hard to get attached in one season.

But I wish she had been cast as Dax from S1

>>212014442 (OP)
its called Deep Space 9 because it stars a black dude let that sink in

>>212031405
Aka Crash Landing? This is the first I’ve heard of this.

>>212032325
Same

if star trek ever comes back id like to see a tholian focus. and i think partnering with the jim henson company could make it an instant classic

right wing garbage. war propaganda. not trek.

>>212014442 (OP)
To me ds9 always felt more like a space opera set in the star trek universe rather than trek-proper.
I still really like it, but if you're talking about distilled trekness its always going to be TNG.

>>212032325
This. Especially since there's no crash OR landing in that episode. Its a ship adrift.

>>212032325
>A working title for this episode was "Crash Landing". It is also the episode title used by Sky in the UK.

>>212034528
You mean TOS

>>212034714

i love this trekpu guy

>>212034731
The Starship LGBT

>>212015613
The original concept of "Star Trek" was basically "Wagon Train" in space, with a heaping dose of "Outer Limits".

>>212035841
That's how Gene sold it to NBC, as Wagon Train in space.
Then he brought in The Cage and the NBC executive was furious and told him it was too cerebral and needed more fist fights.

Either way, just because TOS was Wagon Train, that doesn't mean a spin-off show couldn't be Gunsmoke in space. If Wagon Train had a spin-off that was set in a town and both were westerns, do you think anyone would've really said "this isn't REAL Wagon Train!"?

>>212014442 (OP)

kanar
with
damar

>>212035946
cant be wagon train without a wagon train. its right there in the name

>>212036672
Star Trek needs more trains for sure.

>>212014619
>ds9 sucks
DS9 has some great characters but the stories suck ass. I also don't care for Sisko. Although I can't deny he's based he's also a war criminal who manages to be a bigger gary stu than picard.

>>212036860
>gary stu
You're right, Star Trek needs serialized training progression episodes for all of its characters.

>>212035946
Well, why not? Deep Space 9 was basically "Bonanza" in space.

>>212036745
It also needs more Tendi! There's an idea for a spinoff show. Captain Tendi, running her ship the way she wants to...with everyone wearing as little clothing as possible, and her authority flowing from her pheromones.

>>212017396
>on stars

You know what stars are, right?
The Sun is a star.
Retard.

>>212036978
he's literally the Chosen One you sperg

>>212020276
This is correct. Alaimo is also in it playing basically Gul Dukat except he's a silver dracula.

>>212037293
And half the time the wormhole aliens refuse to tell him what to do, or they're making his son fight like a DBZ character, or they're turning him into a schizo, or they're demanding that he break off his engagement. Being the Emissary fucking sucks. The one time it proved useful was when the wormhole zapped the Dominion fleet out of existence.

>>212034714
Nah. I love ToS, but the show itself was split pretty evenly between some great classic 60's sci fi, and plenty of episodes that were trash.

>>212037926
Highest highs of the entire series + paved the way for everything and is thusly the most significant

There is no TNG episode as good as Balance of Terror

I can't stand Odo he's the worst character and a traitor to boot.

>>212037967
is "Balance of Terror" good or is Mark Lenard as the Romulan Commander just good? he's amazing as Sarek too so I feel like it's just him hard carrying it.

>>212038081
No, everything about the episode is perfect. The premise, the execution, the line-to-line writing and the presentation. It's the perfect Trek episode.

>>212038081
It's just an homage to the 1966 submarine movie "The Enemy Below".

>>212038124
>a homage to a movie that came out the same year

>>212038106
it's not perfect. the married couple thing is kind of tacked on and that one guy they invented just to be an angry bigot felt cheap and cringe.

>>212038176
>that one guy they invented
lol

You do not watch Star Trek.

>>212038201
Stiles was never heard of before or after that episode. Yes, he was invented to insert conflict in that one situation

>>212038265
>wow I can't believe they used a guest star... on star trek!
It's just a completely moronic thing to say; the statement of an absolute casual. I'm sorry, I don't want to be rude but I can't help but be dismissive.

>>212038304
>It's just a completely moronic thing to say
ok but i didn't say that. are you alright?

>>212038171
My bad. The Enemy Below was released in 1957. Balance Of Terror was 1966.

>>212015877
>I've always thought that was kind of a silly distinction.
it's the type of thing you latch onto when you're 8 and don't have the experience with the variety of things that can be done in a show.
so that other anon is clearly in a state of arrested development

>>212037991
Nah, the few odo episodes are usually all top tier.
I personally like the bedroom eyes episode. Or the one where they try to find the missing villagers and it turns out they're all holograms. And he was always great when he was doing police work or investigating shit.

>>212038176
>no one knows what a Romulan looks like
>suddenly you're fighting them
>suddenly you see their face
>they look just like Spock
>Spock never gave you any kind of heads up about this
I would have been just as angry too.

>>212037967
>There is no TNG episode as good as Balance of Terror
best of both worlds
measure of a man
drumhead
half a life
ship in a bottle
chain of command
family
I borg

>>212038599
ok well I'd think you're also retarded, unprofessional and don't belong in Starfleet let alone on the bridge of the Enterprise

>>212038625
>best of both worlds
part 2 brings it down
>measure of a man
Honestly overrated, Data has been in Starfleet for something like 26 years at the time of the episode and what, it never fucking came up?
>drumhead
One of the worst court room episodes, mogged to death by TOS' Court Martial
>Half a Life
Underrated episode but there are several TOS episodes that are better in S1 alone
>Ship in a Bottle
lol
>Chain of Command
The Picard command part is retarded. He should never have been on that mission.
>Family
Great episode but not Balance of Terror, requires you to have seen the two previous episodes to understand it
>I, Borg
Good episode, not a great episode. Picard's hatred is unreasonable, almost First Contact tier.

>>212038802
Picard commando part*

also all the episodes you listed are good but not Balance of Terror good

>>212038569
>star trek the police procedural
that was actually one thing i really couldn't stand about ds9

>>212038631
you're right, I should be withholding vital information that could impact the morale of the crew
logical

>>212037967
Like I said, I don't want to disparage ToS, but we've also got a question of quantity as well. Seven seasons of TNG, and as someone old enough to have seen the premier on television, I strongly defend the first season of tng.
I'd also argue that shit like the inner light is peak television. All good things is also one of the greatest finales of all time that captured everything that made trek great, and closed out an era (sure DS9 was ongoing, but it was doing its own thing, and voyager was still a few years out).

>>212039282
>could impact the morale of the crew
>Captain, you know that race we haven't encountered in a 100 years?

>>212039282
Spock didn't know what Romulans looked like either that is literally a plot point you stupid fucking ape you really are a dumb fucking chimp just like Stiles. Spock should have saved Tomlinson and let that faggot breathe gas

>>212038964
I'm thinking more of the Odo when he's acting like the sheriff or a hardboiled noir gumshoe.

>>212039361
>>212039381
>by the way, these colonies you're building along the neutral zone are in a part of space fairly close to where a splinter group of vulcans ventured to, following a brutal civil war. they were good friends.

>>212038802
>part 2 brings it down
I didn't say anything about part 2 though

>>212039529
That's even worse, anon. An episode that ends on a cliffhanger will never be as satisfying as a great stand-alone episode, even if it's the greatest cliffhanger of all time in television which that might be.

>>212026122
>>212028493
I was pleasantly surprised to find Mr Alaimo popping up in Call of Juarez as the voice of Ray.

>>212039393
So am I. Not into it. If I'm gonna watch a cop show, it's gonna be Miami Vice.

So what was up with that episode of DS9 where O'Brien creeped on the little girl in the space station's laundry room? Granted, it was the evil O'Brien doppelganger, but still, that was a bit out there for the time, wasn't it?

>>212039707
NTA but I really need to watch that. There are some great cop shows out there though.

NYPD Blue was created by the Deadwood guy, it's somewhat antiquated 90s cop drama stuff but the writing is still very, very strong. Homicide, the Wire, Shield, and obviously Police Squad.

>>212039707
>it's gonna be Miami Vice.
What about Miami Vice in space where odo has a sweet runabout and cheech shows up dressed as a ferengi.

>>212039762
I don't understand this post
I don't understand what you're going for
Are you going for laughs or
is this pointed at a specific anon and some kind of autistic battle I'm unaware of?

>>212039777
>There are some great cop shows out there though.
how many of them were directed by Michael Mann though? Crockett's theme is also 11/10.
https://youtu.be/Lfgf9HatIHI?si=WrTTnKT6qutO2QZz
also checked

>>212039899
I like nice visuals and vibes but I'm a writing guy at the end of the day. How's the writing on Miami Vice?
also checked

>>212014442 (OP)
>Favorite 'aracters?
'im

>>212040084
Based Weyoun Pervert

>>212040121
>pervert
huh?

>>212040164
>Mr. Weyoun Pervert...
>I know you...

>>212040249
"Captain's Log stardate 24533: today is Penis Inspection Day."

>>212040533
Guess the penis lengths of every TOS crew member

>>212014619
ywnbaw

>>212040249
I don't know, sir..

>>212040597
that's too many. just do Krik Spock McCoy

>>212040533
>>212040597
>Sulu
3.5" but a strong Japanese penis with a swashbuckling spirit
>Chekov
3" but extremely girthy, a stolid Russian penis made to endure many harsh winters
>Scotty
5.5" but he's a real miracle worker, if you know what I mean -- a motion in the ocean guy.
>McCoy
6", a good average human penis, representing the soul of the common man. More known for working with his hands.
>Kirk
A solid 8" steel bar of freedom and possibility. A leader's penis, the kind of penis you want to follow into battle.
>Spock
Vulcans have no penis.

>>212041150
Now do DS9

>>212041191
Alright, why not.

>Bashir
4". His father couldn't afford the penis enhancement, leaving him with a flaccid, feminine penis.
>O'Brien
5", a good, respectable workman-like Irish penis. A "thick pink mast", angry-looking, definitely with a bulbous tip.
>Quark
1", just an acorn really. The penis isn't a particularly important sexual organ. HUGE balls, though, equal in proportion to the ear-to-head ratio.
>Worf
12 kellicams, a noble warrior's penis. Refined and dignified, ridged for her pleasure.
>Odo
172". If he gives his entire body mass over and shapeshifts into one gigantic penis of normal girth, this is the length that he can achieve. This freak is literally a tentacle monster. You don't even know what he does to Kira, some real La Blue Girl shit.
>Sisko
9", aggressive and in your face with goatee like pubic hair. A jazz man's penis, blessed by the Prophets.

Bonus penises:
>Damar
6", a Cardassian penis that knows its place in the hierarchy and respects the authority of the state.
>Weyoun
n/a, Vorta have cloaca.
>Garak
A suspiciously average 6" penis, could fit in anywhere. Very unassuming.
>Gul Dukat
Just an obscene penis, a 13" hammer of Cardassian superiority that is the envy of the galaxy. The penis of a man who did nothing wrong.

>>212042359
Thank you anon I laughed. But you have to redo Weyoun because Vorta are mammals as fuck and do not have cloaca.

>>212042556
Alright, fine. Weyoun has a 2" feminine penis, extremely submissive, unable to get erect.

>>212042681
Hmm. An interesting fact to consider in conjunction with his stated interest in alien interspecies sex.

>>212042882
I'm not saying he's a bottom but if the shoe fits...

>>212042971
Nah, that doesn't fit. You know, unless it was a Changeling or something

The Clinton Era live action DS9 was unwatchable. Virtually no space exploration, just queer relationship drama set in a space mall.

But the Star Trek: Lower Decks episode on DS9 was great. Maybe the concept just works better in an animated workplace comedy.

your thread not going too well for ya bud? had to come over here for attention, did ya? lil guy? lil guppie? nobody wantin' to post in your lil' thread there bud? huh?

too bad

Deep Space 9 fucking sucks, worst trek and that includes STD

>>212044054
its funny how even when they claim the thread title it wont make it a trek thread. and everyone who looks for these threads realizes that

>>212014442 (OP)
I vastly prefer TOS, but DS9 is great

>>212043711
Star Trek tread, invader.
NuTrek is not Trel and never will be

>>212049646
ds9 is nutrek.

>>212043711
no-one cares what you think schizo

>>212042359
Word has 2 dicks now. You cannot unsee it

>>212014442 (OP)
>Is this the greatest Star Trek show?
no you retard

>>212014619
>examples of ds9 suck
seasons 6 and 7

>>212051120
both seasons have amazing episodes, s6 has 2 of the most highly rated episodes in all of trek, swing and a miss

>>212042359
perfect

>>212053565
you know quarks is clearly the most popular place on the promenade if he was offering 2 for 1 on latinum and you could only spend quark coins at quark approved locations, its not that bad a deal especially when you take into account he has the only holosuites

>>212053703
Why did he never try to expand his business and open a new location on Bajor?
Does Bajor even have any cities?

>>212015212
ACTING Grand Negus

>>212054653
yes it has a few mostly the capital in mentioned, and really you can easily surmise he has part interest in a bunch of business' he is the head of the merchant association on deep space nine and he's constantly moving or at leas trying to move merchandise through the station

ah time for petty vulcan pricks and odo having the time of his life while sisko learns the valuable lesson that bullying rom is fun but also kinda mean

>>212054832
I dont think that was the lesson

>>212054832
>>212054955
The lesson is that because they didn't have a Vulcan mainstay on TNG, all of its writers forgot that they're meant to be good guys instead of bad guys and started writing them all as giant douchebags instead of wisened counselors.

>>212054832
The lesson was that Nana Visitor is super cute in a baseball uniform

>>212054955
I'm certain it was, maybe it was just bullying rom is fun

>>212054993
you're thinking of ENT this is literally the only episode in ds9 where a vulcan is a dick, can't think of any asshole vulcans on tng either, the only other actual vulcan character on ds9 is the admiral and she always seems very reasonable

>>212054993
They are giant douchebags. It's one thing DS9 did extremely right.

>>212054994
Nana is super cute in all uniforms and out of them

>>212055041
It's the only episode of DS9 that really features Vulcans. There's that one chick in the Maquis quark tries to fuck and I think that's about it.

But it was a sign of the bad retcons that would be happening in ENT

>>212054993
its just wise anon, wisened means old srunken elderly

>>212055108
maybe but the vulcan quark tries to fuck and really are we sure he didn't? seems very reasonable too, so you have the admiral and the maquis girls, both reasonable, then this one colossal dickhead

>>212055133
Autocorrect be wild

what are the explanations for when they break the Vulcan naming convention?

>>212054832
fun fact: Roms actor was actually semi professional baseball player and easily the best of the entire cast

>>212055171
>maquis
>reasonable
no that had to be a fake Vulcan

>>212055018
Sisko is unrelentingly hateful toward ferengi, even after the episode where he learns to respect they culcha, even when they are helping him, and even when he needs something from one of them.

>>212055303
don't know if you remember the episode but its very early days for the maquis, she turns on the maquis after quark makes a very logical argument as to why the entire idea is stupid and doomed to failure

>>212055311
apart from nog, he likes nog he does seem to begrudgingly put up with rom and seems to get a huge kick out of being a dick to quark

nu-trek schizo incoming in 3... 2... 1...

>>212055377
you're right, I don't really remember it. I'll rewatch

>>212055425
he's too busy desperately trying to resuscitate his own zombie thread

>>212055466
its a good ep

I do want to know what was up with that weird poseur Orion on DS9

>>212054832
We talk about Ezri's symbiont but I never really noticed the puppies she's sporting here.

>>212055537
I don't see how you could have ever missed them

>>212055537
>>212055602
where do you think the slug lives

VEL S03 when????

Episodes about predictions immediately coming true?

>>212055537
Fun fact: Berman was obsessed with having women stuff their bras to make their breasts look bigger on Star Trek. Troi, Seven of Nine, Jadzia, they've all commented on it.

>>212055737
we've seen them all for real or close enough so idk why he'd need to, also I never heard this particular fact, not that I'd put it past him but do you have sauce?

>>212055405
When Nog (the best friend of Sisko's son) wanted to join starfleet, Sisko tested whether Nog would steal from the cargo bay. Nog not only passed the test, but did so in record time. Sisko still refused to endorse Nog's application until after Nog disavowed Ferengi culture, saying that he didn't want to be a "good Ferengi".

This humiliation ritual pleased the Sisko and showed him that a house Ferengi or two can be tolerable as long as they undermine traditional Ferengi values and drink root beer.

>>212055814
>source
I can't remember exactly, definitely a convention interview with Terry Farrell stands out the most in my mind though. And they definitely made her stuff the most as she has decently small tits.

Jeri Ryan's bodysuit being enhanced and padded is just well known at this point, and well, if you look at a lot of the extras from late TNG to ENT, you'll notice a ton of porn bimbos with giant fake tits. Pretty obvious what he was into.

>>212055850
and he was right to do it

>>212055737
Rick Berman did nothing wrong.
>showran several mostly successful series that people still talk about
>only hired actresses with big tits (and if they weren't big enough the Space Bras helped a lot)
>despite being Jewish himself, the 90s shows had very few Jews behind the scenes or on screen
>kept the setting consistent
>enforced writing standards

>>212055872
sure that dabo girl constantly hanging out with quark who never gets any lines comes to mind. I just never heard that paticular factoid and since we have modeling shots of both terry and jeri not to mention troi just flat out naked, idk why you'd need to

>>212055850
>Sisko evaluated whether Nog had the character and values to be successful in Starfleet before recommending him for it

Wow what an evil cunt

>>212055951
People didn't have instant access to the entire photographic history of actresses and models in the mid to late 90s, anon. Most people had no idea how big Dax's jugs really were as long as they were covered up.

>>212055973
>People didn't have instant access to the entire photographic history of actresses and models in the mid to late 90
you say that but you have no idea what I had hidden under my bed at the time

>>212056052
Dirty socks and a copy of PSX magazine with an article on tomb raider

>>212056130
damn you stay out of my childhood bedroom

>>212056159
Best detective weee

>>212014442 (OP)
no

>>212055622
in the belly, we see it a couple times its also mentioned a bunch

>>212055737
They didn't all need that.

>>212055850
It just came out of nowhere and he wanted to see if Nog was sincere or it was just an adolescent whim.

>>212056634
eh, if you've seen her tits, you'd know she actually did need a push-up bra

badly too

>>212056667
this its siskos style he does it all the time, his thing is to turn it around on whoever it is and make them rise to the occasion
>you want to quit? sure go ahead you're not worthy anyway idk why you even tried
and then they set out to prove him wrong and win his approval, its sisko command tricks 101

>>212055737
>>212055897
He sounds incredibly based.

>>212014904
>>212014904
He was in an episode of Stargate

>>212056822
It's the movies that let him down.
Just dumb action slop. Next Generation deserved a Star Trek: The Motion Picture movie.
Incredibly slow and boring to 90% of cinema audiences. Great.
Niiice.

>>212014904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo2b3WUUQ-o

>>212056904
he was working on buffy then driving across town to the ds9 set spending hours getting makeup done then working into the night as quark, and bringing his a-game to both shows, armin was a hard working man

>>212056968
damn didn't even know that they were on it. Shanter really did go out of his way to bring in trek actors. Based Bill

>>212056968
>all those jump cuts
I fucking hated this era of television, so glad it's gone.

>>212057089
it was when they slowed donw the production schedule so they could do 20 takes instead of 2 and pick and choose the best bits from them, the upside is you are suppose to be getting the best bits from each take the downside is obviously its 20 cuts a second

>>212057417
I hate it.

It bothers me when I go back and watch the BSG show from this era too. A lot of movies suffer from it as well, Batman Begins is a great example.

>>212057437
once you start noticing it, its hard to not notice, falling into the trap of thinking about how said scene was put together instead of just being immersed in it happens with almost all visual media. For BSG I find this funny thing when the opposite happens and you realize you've been watching one take the whole time since you get so use to the constant cuts. So then that takes you out of it.

Uh... anons, I think I... I may have contracted the Federation meme virus! The insidious self-propagation Federation meme which mutates everyone it touches... oh no, the infection is already spreading! My shirt... -AAH!- my shirt is turning into a STARFLEET UNIFORM!! HELP! My brain is becoming soft and spongy and wrinkled and the evolution of my sapience is accelerating, someone stop this now! AAARGH! Lovely beaches on Risa! No more racism! Money is bad! We aren't a military! Get in the teleporter and die Tuvix! Please Cardassians take some of our territory! AAA-aaaa--aaaaaeeee!!!

Together, we can overcome anything, and bring peace and happiness to all of the people of the Milky Way galaxy. Sign this charter to know more!

>>212055882
>>212055953
>>212056667
Sisko was still going to refuse Nog even after he passed the cargo bay test. Sisko only came around when Nog said, "I want to join starfleet because I don't want to be a ferengi."

Remember, TNG had whole episodes about how Worf/Ro Laren could at once be both a starfleet officer and a proud practitioner of Klingon/Bajoran culture.

>>212057652
>"I want to join starfleet because I don't want to be a ferengi."
That's weird, I seem to remember him saying he didn't want to end up like his father, ie a loser whose only hope is his brother dying so he can inherit the bar.

>>212057652
no sisko was testing him to see his strength of character not just his work ethic. >>212056776

>>212057652
Worf was a federation citizen his whole life and Ro was not the first Bajoran in starfleet.

>>212057683
that is what he said you are right I watched that ep just a couple weeks ago, that anon has forgotten what happened and has a skewed memory of the scene

>>212057683
>My father is a mechanical genius. He could've been the chief engineer of a starship if he'd had the opportunity. But he went into business like a good Ferengi. The only thing is, he's not a good Ferengi… not when it comes to acquiring profit. So now all he has to live for is the slim chance that someday, somehow, he might be able to take over my uncle's bar. Well, I'm not going to make the same mistake. I want to do something with my life… something worthwhile.
Yes, that's true. But Rom's mistake, which Nog wants to avoid, is trying to be a "good ferengi" when his natural talents are not valued in ferengi culture.

>>212057857
But Nog's natural talents are valued in Ferengi culture, he's an expert trader. It's his sense of duty and self-destructive desire to prove himself that's unusual.

>>212057857
yes that doesn't make him a bad ferengi its just a culture so heavily skewed towards making profit is going to have those who have great talent in other areas but frenengiar culture only applauds those who are good business men, Nog was smart enough to understand that it was a losing game for him and he had other opportunities to have a great fulfilling life if he stopped caring only about accumulating wealth

>>212057652
Also Ro wasn't allowed to wear her earring normally and Picard chewed out Worf for killing Duras even though it was in accordance with Klingon law
>PICARD: Mister Worf, your service aboard the Enterprise has been exemplary. Until now.
WORF: Sir, I have acted within the boundaries of Klingon law and tradition.
>PICARD: The High Council would seem to agree. They consider the matter closed. I don't. Mister Worf, the Enterprise crew currently includes representatives from thirteen planets. They each have their individual beliefs and values and I respect them all. But they have all chosen to serve Starfleet. If anyone cannot perform his or her duty because of the demands of their society, they should resign. Do you wish to resign?
>WORF: No, sir.
>PICARD: I had hoped you would not throw away a promising career. I understand your loss, We all admired K'Ehleyr. A reprimand will appear on your record. Dismissed.

>>212057925
>expert trader.
no he isn't he's not very good at all, he's a good negotiator but he isn't good at business and ferengi culture the only thing that is suppose to matter is being good at business, which is quite frankly a sad lonely way to live.

>>212057980
Picard will let muslim women wear hijabs and indian men shit on the bridge, but expects Klingons and Bajorans to betray their own people. Typical social liberal hypocrisy - be whoever you want to be, just don't be different to me.

>>212057925
>self-destructive
I don't see how its self-destructive he is a very successful starfleet officer, he becomes an ensign before the rest of his class have even graduated, he gets promoted to lieutenant junior grade by the end irrc

>>212058041
Do you just make up things in your head to be angry about?

You should try the nu-trek thread that's up, it's more your speed

>>212058041
huh?

>>212057963
Yes, this exactly. Sisko's opinion of Nog turns around when Nog says that he wants to join starfleet because he wants to assimilate to federation culture instead of trying to be a good ferengi.

It is as if Worf were to say, "I want to be in starfleet because Klingon culture's obsession with honor and combat is destructive and counterproductive." That definitely ain't Worf, and people would tell him to be proud of his heritage instead.

>>212058071
he does, i guess his minis army isn't coming out the way he likes

>>212058049
Two cases when being overly eager almost got him killed: once on the Valiant and once in the battle where he lost his leg. He didn't realise until then that the possibility of dying could happen to him, which is why he became so terrified after.
>But the plot made it all work out for him in the end! So he did not in fact self-destruct, he's a hero!
Missing the point of his arc.

>>212058104
no he says joining starfleet would be a worthwhile use of his life as opposed to earning profit. you're just some retarded writing fanfiction and you need to shut up. it's embarrassing.

>>212057980
>Ro wasn't allowed to wear her earring normally
And the lesson at the end of the episode is that Ro gets to wear the earring after all.
>Worf
Yeah, he gets a "reprimand" for straight-up dissertion. But Picard respects his culture.

>>212058104
no he says that their is more to being a ferengi then the acquisition of profit, something that is a running theme throughout ds9.

>>212058185
>And the lesson at the end of the episode is that Ro gets to wear the earring after all.
she wears it on the left ear though. which is the cult side.

>>212058151
no he learned that actions have consequence and youthful exuberance doesn't mean you are invincible, he learns from these experiences and grows as a person

>>212058104
t. never-served
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWMUUAMVEnM
Sisko explains himself very well here: cultural diversity ends the moment you put on that uniform and become part of the military hierarchy.
None of these people were drafted and they all knew what they were getting into.

Picard letting Worf off for killing someone outside of the line of duty was incredibly unrealistic and unmilitary. Even moreso by Starfleet's anti-violent philosophies.
There's no way Picard wouldn't be court martialed for letting Worf off with a simple reprimand.

>>212058222
Worf is a special fucking snowflake he gets away with this stupid shit in literally ever show. His service record must be a mile long

>>212058151
I think you might be the one whos missing the point of his arc

>>212058123
I'd love to play warhammer against obrien, i bet he plays tau.

>>212058212
Alright Mr. 70 IQ, you get a C- on your analysis, continue on to your communal college or wherever it is you people go.

>>212058222
>Picard letting Worf off for killing someone outside of the line of duty was incredibly unrealistic and unmilitary
I read between the lines and assumed Gowron's support of Worfs actions to starfleet was enough excuse for it to be handwaved by next episode.
Gotta give a little bit of leeway on that stuff due to the nature of television shows forces it.

>>212058222
Honestly, "The Drumhead" episode would've been a lot better if Picard was being brought up on charges of corruption for letting Worf off.

>>212058222
Meanwhile dax and her friends are eating the heart of the albino.

Maybe we should fucking burn these damn uniforms and kill Starfleet officers on sight.

>Worf supposedly has honor and integrity
>Accepts his commanding officers coddling him like a bitch baby when he breaks the rules he knowingly broke

Cowardly fucking faggot he should have just resigned a million times over

>>212058276
He'd play AD Fecks or Imperial Waaghsmen, imo.

>>212058362
>the binary programming of the modern zoomer brain can't understand "man of two worlds" character archetypes
>gets unreasonably angry about them
It tracks.

>>212020020
So this is why the Q feared them

>>212058284
you just might be retarded, you should probably look into that. For now your fan-fic is in no way represented by the narrative. I was willing to believe you had misremembered the actual story but it seems you just want to make up your own story then present it as fact. By all means go ahead, just not here you are simply making a fool of yourself.

Nah, O'Brien would field chaos space marines.

>>212058420
Based anon, you roasted the schizo like a targ.

>>212058395
Spock is the man Worf wishes he was. Worf as the "man of two worlds" just proves he fails at it.

>>212058456
The difference is that Vulcans live up to their cultural precepts and reputation. Klingons, on the other hand, fall well short of their projected belief system.

I wouldn't want to join the Empire either.

>>212058451

>>212058480
>Klingons, on the other hand, fall well short of their projected belief system.
Yeah but Worf is like one of the only Klingons who unironically believes in that shit. Except when it means he gets to keep his job I guess. It's so sleazy.

Explain to someone who has never seen DS9 how it could possibly be anywhere near as good as TNG.

>>212058831
no, watch and find out

>>212058831
Ask ChatGPT.

>>212058831
It has the best cast of alien characters of any trek.
The writing is at least on par with TNG too.
There is more of an over arching plot but the vast majority of episodes are mostly self contained, but the characters also have a bit more room to grow because of this.
It's not flat out aping TNG like Voyager did, it is it's own thing, but it still understands TNG and builds from it.
It breaks some trek rules, but it understands those rules and what breaking them can achieve, unlike modern trek who just pisses on the rules then sets them on fire to... err I dunno why they do that actually.

>>212058831
It has one of the best episodes of all Trek; In the Pale Moonlight.

It's a show that dares ask what the cost of maintaining paradise is without corrupting it too much. It's still very much the utopian Trek as we know it, but there are moments where a select few have to sully their hands so that the lives of everyone else can remain utopian.

>>212059031
Duet and The Visitor are also worthy of top 10 trek episodes discussion imo

>>212057016
He's in an episode of Castle. Frakes appears briefly as well as directing it.

>>212059118
Those are in my top 10, for sure.

>>212037329
Oh yeah, that's right. It was funny seeing them both in the same movie.

Last post about the baseball game, to anyone who says it was an entire crew of petty vulcans, nog is making friends with one at the end and you can see the rest in the back socializing with the ds9 crew. Just imagine being stuck on a ship with this racist petty vulcan captain
>yes sure captain we are the best
>um yes sure we are superior, look could we get some shore leave?
>ok we'll play this...wait human game? ok
>well it looks like they had fun and...oh, oh I see, look I'm going to get a drink and tomorrow maybe put in for a transfer

>>212058831

>>212059031
>muh cost of paradise
Berman pls go - it's not a paradise if someone is paying the price for it

>TOS
>TOS Movies
>TNG
>DS9

That's literally all the Trek you need. ONIONS and ENTfags need not apply.

>>212059432
>everything has to be white and black for my childlike mind
ok

>>212059432
it was war sacrifices are inevitable, they do show it in tng as well, its just some "people" choose to ignore it.

>>212059432
>it's not a paradise if someone is paying the price for it
So heaven is not paradise? Because the price was paid when the Son of God, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, suffered on the cross and died for you. So someone paid the price for it.

>>212058831
It just is. The acting is fucking phenomenal. Especially the recurring side characters

>>212051159
they still suck
home run

>>212059571
no they really don't they are phenomenal, but at least you tried

>>212059432
>Berman
you mean that blue-bearded faggot behr anon

>>212059031
>It has one of the best episodes of all Trek; In the Pale Moonlight.
made up nonsense

>>212059601
in the cards is the last 'good' episode of ds9
i won, you lost

>>212059689
Rocks and Shoals is literally 3 episodes later in S6 bitch

>>212059837
and rocks and shoals sucks you faggot

>>212059862
What a compelling counter argument

>>212059885
yes, you queer
go away

NTA but S6 still has individual episodes that are great -- the ones that start to suck are the Behr-written "main story" episodes. The exit of Wolfe who was formerly his writing partner is definitely felt a lot. The serialized part of the show has less cohesion and it definitely ends on a very sour note.
S5 is the peak for sure.

>>212059966
>The exit of Wolfe
not talked about a lot, but that's one of the reasons
and, building up something is probably easier than satisfyingly concluding it
season 6 is also where he starts getting credited at the end of the episodes as executive producer so that probably went to his head

>>212054653
they had rubble they called cities, great Cardassia moggs the hell out of them

>>212060111
basado

>>212058246
Starfleet really wants the klingons to grow their alliance closer and even become regular crew members one day. So they give worf a lot of slack.

>>212058284
You are a pretentious retard.

>>212059511
>>212059031
Correct, heaven is not paradise. A paradise is a perfect world. Perfection is flawless, and having a price is a flaw.
Only the absolute nothing, the empty set, can be considered a perfect reality. A true paradise.

>>212058981
This exactly why Ds9 is a good deconstruction of trek. It understands the rules. It doesn't just break them for the sake of it. It does so with a purpose.

>>212059966
4 > 5 > 2 > 3 > 6 > 1 > 7

That's how I would rank the seasons of DS9

>>212060762
>good deconstruction
Now I know why /trek/ joins the federation in hating the patriarchal capitalist ferengi

>>212060942
2 that high, really?

>>212060942
Pretty solid.
I feel like 2, 3 and 6 are very close though. I'd probably give 6 the edge just for the opening war multiparter which is pretty great.

>>212060762
>Ds9 is a good deconstruction of trek
faggot

>>212061115
>which is pretty great
did you also think the terrible resolution to that was deserved for sisko like behr justified it

Trials and Tribble-ations is my favorite DS9 episode and therefore its the best.
Prove me wrong

>>212061395
It's one of the best. For me? ITPML

>>212061393
The resolution could have been better, but collectively those episodes are good, and they give loads of screentime to all the best characters. Lots of Garak, Dukat and Weyoun
The season 7 finale is obviously far worse, if at least mostly inoffensive. If Dukat's storyline had ended when DS9 was retaken, that would have been likely for the better. At least the Dukat cult leader episode is hilarious if stupid I guess.
Also Rock and Shoals is one of the best episodes in the show.

Kira is the best girl

DS9 HD remaster fucking when? It's criminal that the best sci-fi show doesn't have it.

>>212061607
something something paramount "muh low ratings and interest" even though fucking babylon 5 got it

>>212061569
>At least the Dukat cult leader episode is hilarious if stupid I guess.
The only hilarious part was when the cultists literally boo him and throw their suicide tictacs at him. The rest of that episode was highly upsetting to me.

>>212061607
Never. Too expensive and nu-trek has really soured the market.

>>212061607
>>212061651
TNG took a lot of time and money to re-scan and the boomers in charge think DS9 isn't popular enough to warrant it

>>212061633
>>212061651
It sucks because TNG is gorgeous and you just know that DS9 will look even better(superior sets).

>>212060586

>>212061638
Nah that scene when the bajoran woman gives birth to a half cardy baby is peak ham comedy.
You coulda put the seinfeld jingle over it and it would have won awards.
If you didn't find it funny due to some personal trauma then I'm sorry you had these laughs taken from you.

>>212061715
Imagine how crisp the promenade would look.
We need HD Quark's bar

>>212061607
never my retarded friend

>>212061735
>Nah that scene when the bajoran woman gives birth to a half cardy baby is peak ham comedy.
I was over it by then because I knew what was happening the second they showed that pregnant woman. What mostly upset me is the involvement of Kira

babylon 5 looks and sounds terrible btw

>"I am Quark, son of Keldar and I am come to answer the challenge of D'Ghor, son of... whatever."

>>212061867
How blatant it is, how stupid it implies Dukat is (he coulda just scanned this bitch at any point of the pregnancy and known) and mixed with Alaimo's performance is hysterical.

>>212061971
I think it's amusing at best also I didn't like how out of character he acted in it really just cemented in that his time was over and the writers were saying fuck you to the viewers for ever enjoying him at all.

>>212061945
>D'Ghor throws a bitchfit over being whatever'd

Fun fact, he's played by the latino guy who wants to rape a white boy and says "Give me some chun-chun!" in Blood in Blood Out.

>>212062036
The funniest part about it is that its an obvious character assassination episode, but you come out the other end just liking Dukat more because he's so much fun.

>>212061704
I'm sure most of the Hebrewistic people at Paramount still understand that TNG was a massive commercial success in the 90s, while DS9 and VOY were not. Even though it's different now and many viewers have come around on them.

>>212062090
it's actually not fun when characters who were already fun but also intelligent before act lobotomized but I guess that's just my opinion

>>212057089

>>212062142
Loosen up, the show has been over for decades. What happened happened. Enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't.

>>212061704
>think DS9 isn't popular enough
think? it isn't you retard

>>212062187
I don't have to enjoy aspects that aren't enjoyable just because the show was filmed 30 years ago or what in the actual fuck are smoking right now lol. shit writing is forever.

>>212014442 (OP)
DS9 has the highest highs and lowest lows of Trek (at least of the media that I still consider to be true Star Trek). When it's good it's fucking amazing but when it's not good, oh boy it's really really not good. Like the kind of stuff you feel embarassed watching

>>212062193
I agree it's not popular enough, especially from the perspective of some hollywood suit.
I feel like DS9 is the trek that gained the most popularity since old trek died though, I mean excluding TNG.

>>212057417
>slowed donw the production schedule o they could do 20 takes instead of 2
what show do you think this is
also, slow down a schedule for more takes
wtf

>>212062252
Your autism prevents you from seeing the good. Learn to compartmentalize maybe.

>>212062172
I would never watch it but the bald girl is hot. Such a shame Star Trek has a whole race with cute bald girls who's whole gimmick is being irresistably sexy but they never use them.

>>212062336
I do see the good. But I can also see the bad because I'm not a weird faggot like you.

>>212062372
>I'm not a weird faggot like you.
Spoken like a true Star Trek fan :)

Back in the 90s the hierarchy went
>TNG
>the movies
>VOY
>DS9
>TOS (it was seen as a joke)
It's still kinda like that except DS9 and VOY flipped and TOS is higher

VOY is unironically fucking trash beyond trash and it is beyond me how people stand that show. Even ENT is better and that's barely.

Ezri a cute.

>>212062423
TOS is frustrating because unlike the other shows it started out fucking perfect and sharply declined

>>212062423
>TOS was seen as a joke
maybe to retards

>>212062423
>the movies
The TOS ones or the TNG ones?
I know First Contact certainly got a pass for far too long. The TNG movies are all so very bad.

>>212062548
>The TOS ones or the TNG ones?
All of them but mostly the TOS ones.

>>212062423
TNG is criminally overrated. It's a bland show for people who shouldn't be watching tv anyway.

>the nu-trek thread didn't go to bump limit
KWAB

actual /trek/ is back!
>>212062924
>>212062924
>>212062924

>>212062495
Voyager isn't the best but it has plenty of really solid epidodes.
Id put counterpoint on the list of best trek episodes of all time. And plenty of good episodes.
Id rank voyager the lowest of the star trek series, but I dont hate it, and neither should you.

>>212062934
The eternal general was the worst thing to happen to star trek threads on /tv/