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Anonymous No.212020247 >>212020402 >>212021096 >>212021529 >>212021750 >>212021854 >>212022008
Was Napoleon unironically a genius?
>total nobody at 25, no connections, no wealth. (Italy was a backwater shithole similar to Louisiana)
>became the most promising Politician just 10 years later with nothing but his charisma
>created the most gigantic mass movement in human history from scratch. (Democratic Bonapartism)
>created an entire ideology from scratch. (Democratic Bonapartism)
>got rid of hunger and unemployment
>gave a defeated and demoralised people their
faith and confidence back
>told the French they're the best people in the world in a time when they were considered a joke
>literally risked his own life in French Revolutionary Wars for his nation
>whenever he spoke the crowd became fucking ecstatic, almost like under a spell
>conquered all of Europe and almost Russia
>conquered more territory than Caesar or Alexander in a ridiculously short time
>withstood the entire planet for 12 years
>still lost due to betrayal by Murat and Grouchy
>went down fighting till the last second, didn't even consider surrendering.
>Was charismatic enough to avoid execution unlike Mussolini.

Seriously, was he even a human? There must have been demonic possession involved or aliens or some shit because there is no way that 1 person can achieve so fucking much in a single lifetime and have such a titanic willpower
Anonymous No.212020310
maybe, but the movie was shit. fuck outta here with your history lecture dweeb.
Anonymous No.212020402
>>212020247 (OP)
Napoleon wasn't real, dumbass.
Anonymous No.212020476 >>212020631
If he's so smart, how come he's dead?
Anonymous No.212020631 >>212020658
>>212020476
If youre so smart, how come youre going to die?
Anonymous No.212020658 >>212020883
>>212020631
When did I say I was smart?
Anonymous No.212020883
>>212020658
I used my superior intellect to infer it.
Anonymous No.212021096 >>212021406 >>212021845
>>212020247 (OP)
>Was Napoleon unironically a genius
Is water wet? The man changed the entire face of Europe in one fell swoop. He wasn't just a great politician or general either, he was a true patron and Renaissance man. On his campaign to Egypt, he personally financed projects which allowed for dozens of French and other historians and scientists to investigate the Pyramids. In Cairo he founded, I believe, the worlds first modern Egyptological institute. It's hard to imagine but until then those things had been considered forgotten relics of a foreign culture, and had either been looted or thoroughly abused. That kind of quality he brought to everything he touched. He was a truly Great man in every sense of the word, and sincerely proof that individual Men do count.
Anonymous No.212021406
>>212021096
Dont forget he introduce public education.
Pretty based.
Anonymous No.212021529 >>212021649
>>212020247 (OP)
he was a genius at war, and politics and leadership
he was also an extraordinarily evil man who's name should be spoken in the same circles as Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot etc but for some reason constantly avoids this
Anonymous No.212021649
>>212021529
>he was also an extraordinarily evil man who's name should be spoken in the same circles as Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot etc but for some reason constantly avoids this
lmao.
Anonymous No.212021750
>>212020247 (OP)
remember context
France of time was superpower in term of manpower for example, just abused by degenerated elites (see what was doing Talleyrand for example), hence revolution found fertile grounds to bloom (masonic plot btw, so jews)
guy was very competent and happen to be at right place at right moment; made mistakes too, like with keeping Talleyrand
>got captured twice
>>Was charismatic enough to avoid execution unlike Mussolini.
heh, still got poisoned
also read somewhere had occasion to patron steam engine but wasted it, that might allow to invade England
Anonymous No.212021845 >>212022111
>>212021096
shame he tried to put his brothers on the thrones of Spain and Austria lol

"whoops!"
Anonymous No.212021854
>>212020247 (OP)
>Was Napoleon unironically a genius?
no
>why?
he lost
Anonymous No.212021994
England's personal jobber
Anonymous No.212022008
>>212020247 (OP)
Dude was a 3 star general equivalent by 25. Are you high
Anonymous No.212022111
>>212021845
His in my view greatest failing was I think a really deep sense of illegitimacy and inadequacy from having come from poor birth. It is ironic because his men and France loved him specifically for what he was and what he represented. Anyhow, many of his mistakes make sense from this perspective, and explain why he was especially later on so obsessive with legitimizing his family and administration. There's also the pragmatic angle where he understood the old European houses would always view him as an upstart and never accept him, and this obviously would have meant perpetual war. Something better might have been a softer hand and suitable marriages for key family members. His insistence on his marriage to Josephine for so long too was highly damaging for his own prospects too.