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somehow Varian Skye returned

People justifiably rag on TROS for being dreadful but sometimes I feel like people forget how awful TFA and TLJ were.

>>212070137 (OP)
He looked like he knew what's planned for his character.

>>212070506
Absolutely nothing?

It's been six years and every screenshot/webm I see of this film on /tv/ is from a camrip

>>212070548
I see no reason to update it.

>>212070448
People(talking outside of /tv/) were actually hyped for either so have at least positive memories of the speculation for either, whereas literally nobody was hyped for TROS and even fewer actually went to see it. People are continuously baffled because they never saw it's retardation in its entirety so they never acclimated to how bad it is start to finish

>>212070448
Last Jedi was kino

>>212070538
Nothing good.

>>212070611
hi, rian

>>212070611
No, it wasn't but it killed JarJar's career by exposing his mystery box technique so I am grateful for that.

On the other hand this broke Star Wars canon forever and there will never be a way to fix it.

>>212070448
There are complaints about those two films, plenty of them, but they were at least basically competently made and had some sort of intent behind them. TROS comes off like they made it up scene by scene.

>>212070731
looked fuckin cool though

Poor pascal, probably thought he was going to be an Star Wars icon and just became the utterer of the franchise's death.

>>212070749
TROS is what happens when you need to answer all your unplanned retarded little mystery box questions that you never had an answer to begin with. It was always going to end badly.

The only difference is that JarJar was forced to return because TLJ was such a disaster it brought everything crashing down prematurely. He couldn't fuck off to another franchise and leave another director to clean up the pieces (like he did with Lost, Alias, Cloverfield, Star Trek, etc), he had to stay to clean up the mess because his reputation was on the line. And he went down with the ship, finally, God bless.

>>212070920
>because
They fired Trevorrow. That's it. TLJ had nothing to do with it.

>>212070731
I especially loved how it made the entire side story with finn, fat ching chong and other guy completely pointless because subverting expectations of good storytelling was more important than having characters do stuff that's relevant to the plot.

I'd like to remind you all that the quest to get to this point (where they can find the directions to the next point) takes up the entire first half of the film.

>>212071035
Trevorrow or no Trevorrow the trilogy was a dumpster fire since the very beginning, that's my point.

There was no way to answer all the questions that TFA set up in a satisfying manner. Do I need to repost my list of retarded mystery boxes TFA set up?

>>212071175
I didn't watch this one, when did Rey recieve the Green Ranger's dagger and why does it align with the crashed thing in the background? It's pointing to where they need to go right?

>>212071201
>Do I need to repost my list of retarded mystery boxes TFA set up?
Who is Snoke? What is his goal?
Who were the Knights of Ren?
What is the First Order? What is its goal?
Why did Kylo Ren turn to the Darkside?
Who is Captain Phasma and why is she obsessed with Finn?
Why did Finn defect? Why was he able to fight Kylo Ren at the end of TFA? Is he Force Sensitive?
How did Lor San Tekka come into possession of the map to Skywalker?
Who is Rey? Who is the family she’s waiting on to return for her on Jakku?
Why did Rey's family leave her?
Why is she so powerful in the Force?
How did Rey learn how to fight?
How did Rey learn to pilot the Falcon?
How did the Millennium Falcon end up on Jakku?
Why did Han Solo go back to swindling people?
What happened between Han and Leia to drive them apart?
How did Maz Kanata come to have Luke’s original light saber?
Why does Rey see visions and hear the voices of Obiwan and Yoda when she touches Luke’s light saber?
How did Kylo Ren get the melted helmet of Darth Vader?
Why does it seem Maz Kanata seem to know exactly who Rey is after talking to Han?
Why does Rey see a vision of an island when Kylo Ren looks into her mind?
Why does Leia seem to know Rey when they first meet?
Why did the Republic disarm and move is capital to Hosnian Prime?
Is Coruscant still around? What happened to it?
Who is funding the Resistance?
What will the Republic's reaction be to Hosnian Prime being destroyed?
How was Starkiller Base built? Who funded it?
Why did Leia not recognize Chewbacca?
What has Luke been up to?
Why did he leave a map for people to find him?
Was he expecting Rey to find him?
What is he doing on the island?
What happened to the New Jedi Order and the rest of the Jedi?

There was no way to answer all of this successfully. Anyone trying to was gonna fail.

>>212071175
I remember seeing this in theaters and when this moment happened all I could think is
>When did they get here?
>Where the fuck did that dagger come from?
I don't even remember what it's meant to point them towards.

>>212071215
Ah another new one for my list brilliant.

JarJar kept setting up mystery boxes even in the last installment, because that's all he does. There will never be an answer to your question. There is no answer.

>>212071175
>she stood in the exact spot.
It will forever haunt me.

>>212071436
>There will never be an answer to your question. There is no answer.

>>212071201
Doesn't matter. I don't even think Trevorrow is much of a director, or a writer. But he had something. It wasn't going to be anything special but it was at least following up on TLJ and trying to wrap up the trilogy. It's more than TROS had. That film just tried to fill time until the ending then pretended it was wrapping up all the Star Wars films.

>>212070731
>this broke Star Wars canon forever
Every Disney Star Wars movie has had canon-breaking space travel

>>212071215
To stop the villains, we have to track down this dead bad guy on this desert planet who Luke lost track of who was actually just dead in a cave slightly underground from where Luke lost track of him to retrieve an ancient Sith dagger and then go to another planet to get it translated from the forbidden ancient Sith language to learn to go to this third planet where the fairly intact wreckage of the completely obliterated Death Star II is in the ocean to discover the ancient dagger was actually a recently made pointer device that when held up to the eye at the right spot on a particular cliff facing a certain part of the wreckage will point to the very intact ruin of the Emperor's throne room on the wreckage of the unfinished and completely destroyed Death Star II which secretly had a secret room to the side containing a device that can be used to find the location of a fourth planet where the reborn Emperor and his unnamed Sith followers have been building a secret giant army of Death Star Star Destroyers which can't function independently in any way without one beacon on one ship being active, in order to take over the galaxy, all according to the Emperor's master plan which he had planned all along when he was Emperor of the galaxy.

You following me?

>>212071595
>You following me?
Hold on, I need a cup of coffee for this post.

>>212071595
Once you realize 90% of the film is just characters rushing to places to create the illusion of momentum but they're actually running in place plot-wise it becomes funny

>>212070611
TRVKE

>>212071560
No, the workings of hyperspace weren't canon-breaking before. It was simple and well-understood. To go faster than light, your ship entered into a separate dimension called "hyperspace", when in hyperspace you could not affect objects in the real world, but objects in the real world had a 'shadow' which could affect your ship (that's why they had to avoid gravity wells and do complex calculations before jumping).

TLJ changed it up so that hyperspace travel now can affect the real world, which breaks canon. Now all space combat is retarded as fuck because they can just make hyperspace missiles piloted by drones, in the previous canon that wasn't possible.

>>212071771
No one cares, nerd.

>>212070731
Even before this, there were "Interdictor" class Star Destroyers. Nobody knew what they were for, but now we can pretend that their purpose was generating a powerful tractor beam or gravity well that prevents this sort of thing from happening. Being able to stop small spacecraft from going into hyperspace seems sort of like something the empire or any large army would like to have anyways.

It's a handwave and was never planned this way, but it sort of works. It would still require an explanation a to why the first order didn't have anything similar though.

>>212071771
TFA has
>entering hyperspace from within the cargo hold of a larger ship
>instantaneous travel from the rebel base to Luke's hiding planet
>"hyperspace tearing" to explain why Finn could see the Starkiller beam
>Han going "NOW!" to time exiting hyperspace within the gravity well of a planet
>exiting hyperspace within the shield surrounding that planet
Rogue One has
>entering hyperspace from within the gravity well of a planet
TLJ has
>hyperspace ramming
>hyperspace tracking
>space fuel being sort of important
Solo has
>the whole Kessel Run shit
>space fuel being extremely important
Rise of Skywalker has
>hyperspace skipping

All of these break the canon of the Original Trilogy and prequels

>>212071836
Yes, plenty of people care about internal consistency, it's what makes narratives worth getting invested into.
Otherwise there is no point in following any of this, no point in buying those Atlas to the Star Wars Galaxy, Star Wars Cross-Section books, Star Wars Wildlife, and all those other world-building books that in the past made a lot of money for Lucas Arts.

I used to buy a lot of these, because they were awesome, but I ain't planning on buying any of the NuWars ones, if they didn't care why should I?

>>212071595
>>212071643
Ok hold on, I'm going to grab some weed then I'll re-read it again and get back to you.

>>212070611
shalom

>>212072091
>lists all Disney NuWars shit
That's exactly my point, Disney mishandled the franchise. TLJ is perhaps the most egregious example but not the only one.

>>212071288
the starkiller base wasnt actually that big, they used the same hologram technology they used with snoke to make it look bigger. they took out a bunch of loans with scaled up hologram credits then never repaid them

>>212070448
Last Jedi is just awful. Just a straight up terrible movie that flushed millions of dollars and thousands of man hours from artists at the of their game just to so KK can have a purple haired woman preach.

It's just a shit storm of back and forth arguments that people don't even bring it up. It's just not worth it.

>>212070137 (OP)
What I still don't understand is that they played sheev's return speech in fortnite but for some reason didn't bother to include it in the movie. It would've been super easy to have it play over the opening credits but no you have to have played fortnite or watched the thing on youtube for this super important plot thing that's absent from the story it's referencing.

>>212070920
TROS does all kinds of stupid shit it didn't have to do, though. I like parts of it (McDiarmid's performance, Exegol in general, Driver's performance) but nothing about TLJ meant TROS had to be as awful as it is.

>>212070349
>what are we some kind of fantastic four

>>212070824
This is the one character to appear in a film in the last ten years who actually isn’t played by pedro pascal

>>212072519
Sure, it could have been better, but the trilogy was doomed to fail due to TFA, it wasn't even TLJ's fault. In a world where Rian Johnson didn't direct TLJ, and instead they went with a safer and less autistic choice, the trilogy was still going to be a disappointment.

Simply because there was no way to answer >>212071288 in a satisfying manner.

It's a pattern with everything JJ Abrams was involved in, the guy is a grifter and a franchise wrecker. The difference is that this time the mystery box blew up in his face.

>>212073037
as noted, Trevorrow's treatment for his intended IX is out there, it's nothing special but it at least wraps up the trilogy and isn't a retread of ROTJ, with no Emperor or dumbass time wasting fetch quest, there was no reason TROS had to be as retarded and lazy as it was

>>212073521
Sure the Jurassic World guy was going to save this dumpster fire. OK.

>>212073668
Can you read?

>>212073037
Not every "mystery" introduced in a film needs to be solved by the film.
No one knew for 20 years what the "clone wars" was and a new hope was still a great movie.

>>212070137 (OP)
I don't really understand the hate behind this line. The Twitter accounts even put out a lot of helpful background information for fans so they would understand how it happened!

The dead speak!

>>212070137 (OP)
>Somehow Jimmy Savile has returned....

>>212073749
the clone wars had nothing to do with the story of luke skywalker, dumbfuck. it didn't matter and, in fact, never should have been explained.

>>212070137 (OP)
Why do people feel they have to justify Jew Jew Abrahams or Ruin Johnson? Both TFA and TLJ are trash.
>well but, but, but
No.

>>212073698
Yes, I said at best it was going to be an unsatisfying conclusion and you keep replying to me something about some magical story treatment. I did concede it could have been better with Trevorrow but I don't get the hype you are pushing for it. It was still going to be bland and mid at best there's so much a talented writer can do when the premise and beginning of the story is just dogshit.

>>212073749
ANH is a self-contained story, while the little mysteries set up in TFA are integral to understanding it.

You watch ANH and you understand who are the Jedi, that they were purged, that their enemies the Sith rose to power using the Dark Side of the Force, and that Luke is key to defeating them because he is strong in the Force. You understand Yoda is a wise Jedi Master that is in exile because he is hiding from the Empire. You understand that Obi was also in hiding and keeping a watch over Luke because he was the son of his friend, Anakin. More backstory is nice but you don't need it, it's a self-contained neat little movie. The Emperor has a clear motivation, which is staying in power through fear, and the Rebels have a clear motivation, which is to overthrow the Empire and restore the Republic. The first step to doing that is blowing up the Death Star.

But TFA is not a self-contained little movie, we don't understand what Snoke wants, what the First Order wants, who is the Resistance, or why Luke is sitting on an island waiting for someone to find him. Things don't make sense without the answers, which we never get. So the whole thing doesn't work, either as a standalone movie or as a trilogy.

>>212074180
What about how Darth Vader fell to the dark side. Luke's biggest motivation is to bring him back. Yet we are never told how he fell in the first place.

>>212074365
That's not a plot element of ANH, it comes up later. ANH is a self-contained story.

>>212074337
>some magical story treatment
It's not magical. It's out there, you can read it. It's serviceable. It wouldn't make for any kind of classic film but it would have wrapped up the trilogy fine, without being a retread. Compared to what we got, which was a waste of time.
TROS had no reason to be as bad as it was. It was pure idiocy and laziness.

>>212074365
>BUT HOW DID WEDGE NIGGERBOTTOM ANTILLES GET HIS DILDO LICENSE WE NEED A HOTEL THAT EXPLAINS IT
go fuck yourself s u p e r s o y b o y

>>212074365
He had 0 reasons to bring him back to the lightside in ANH

>>212070731
>broke Star Wars canon forever
Who cares though? Star wars has contradicted itself plenty of times, and anyone who was ever a fan of the old EU knows instinctively that "cannon" means "the stuff I liked and not the gay and stupid shit I refuse to acknowledge."
The "canon" of star wars is the least of its problems. I think the prequels are flawed trash mostly, but you can at least appreciate the difference between a singular vision and a disney product.

>>212074625
Well it's the right thing to do, only NPCs raised by single mothers wouldn't understand that.

>>212074599
Not that anon, but just to play doubles advocate wedge was based as fuck and the entire EU, prequels, and sequels should have revolved entirely around the most based individual in the entire franchise laying down his pimp hand on motherfuckers.

>>212074800
He didn't know it was his father until the end of the second movie retard

>>212070137 (OP)
>the prequels were shit but star wars still managed to be well liked because of good videos games and some decent animated shows
>disney drops the ball so fucking hard, people today only talk about star wars to mock it
honestly incredible really

>>212074812
I actually agree I'm just saying this s o y l e n t star wars gushing became mortifying 20 years ago and is long dead, people need to stop long enough to let the real geeks recoup

>>212074856
So? He's a bad dude and being bad is wrong, everyone can be redeemed through the power of righteousness.

>>212074365
>What about how Darth Vader fell to the dark side. Yet we are never told how he fell in the first place.
we actually are told that, we're just told through implication because lucas assumed his audience wasn't brain dead. and we are basically told straight up how it happened by yoda in his "fear leads to anger" monologue in esb.

>>212075003
He should have stayed to debate vader on the ethics of using the death star instead of blowing it up then

>>212074699
Hyperspace ramming not only makes the death star trench run pointless, but also the death star and the entire concept of space warfare. Just strap a hyperdrive to a rock and crash it into a planet and planet gone. The franchise as a whole simply does not work.

>>212075121
He couldn't, he was busy sucking the jizz out of jobber wan's laundry pile

>>212074957
As someone who was born the year return of the jedi came out, I was as big a star wars fanboy as you could be, but my favorite shit was always the space shit. I remember playing Xwing and TIE fighter as a kid (and wing commander 1 and 2), praying to god that the last starfighter was a documentary and I would get to be a fighter jock in space.
But aside from those games, after Jedi you basically get fuck all until Rogue One.
Anakin's wild ride in the phantom menace doesn't count, obi wan getting chased for one scene doesn't scratch the itch, and then revenge of the sith they show you a super cool space battle, and then they take a hard left turn into faggy buzz droid hikinks and then have a shitty scooby doo episode on grievous' ship instead of showing the battle.
And then rogue one, which was cool, kind of shits its pants with the ISD that was folded 10,000 times.
But even then, I can't stress how much seethe I had when I heard there was a movie called Rogue One, that wasn't about rogue squadron.
How has no one gone into lucasfilm and pitched "Topgun in space" thats a billion dollars at the global box office, and then double dip by remastering the Xwing and TIE fighter games.

>>212075471
yeah I agree everything after jedi sucked except for the end of rogue one

>>212074856
>>212075121
You are gaslighting, Luke never cared about redeeming Vader in ANH, it was never a plot point in ANH, ANH was all about defeating Vader and the Empire. Sadly there's a retard is arguing with your false point, but your entire premise is wrong and you are a bad faith actor.

ANH is a self-contained movie and it works just fine with no need to answer every question, TFA does not.

>>212075471
I prefer lighsaber duels but we haven't got a single good one since revenge of the sith. They all lack any kind of stakes or emotional weight, or they are just plain retarded.

>>212074699
Imagine if a new back to the future sequel established you can’t actually change the past at all. If a sequel to the game said it was all actually real. If a new James Bond established all movies/stories were just interagency exercises. Dune if spice is just a placebo. Game of thrones if the white walkers weren’t an existential threat oh wait lol. Lost if they were just making it up as they went, also oh wait lol. Mad Men if it wasn’t a tear down of marketing, oh wait, again.

The empire being a massive threat to all life in the galaxy is the core of the franchise. Without it, there is no franchise. If any droid can destroy a planet with literally any hyperspace capable vehicle, there’s no need to care about literally anything in any of the movies.

>>212074888
>people today only talk about star wars to mock it
Look up Andor, Ahsoka, and Mandalorian. Star Wars is bigger than its ever been thanks to Disney.

>>212076434
>oh yeah bet he right he right bet those joints are doing really we-*checks numbers*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>212075958
>we have to find a thing to find a thing to find a thing to get the thing that lets us travel to this super secret space planet
>oh no a million billion star destroyers came out of the ground
>we need to blow up the ONE ship that has the way to navigate off the planet
>oh no, they moved it to a second ship we have to blow that up
>good thing they could only do it with two ships
>but uh oh, now we're fucked!
>SURPRISE! LITERALLY EVERY SPACE SHIP IN THE UNIVERSE JUST CRASHED THE PARTY! NO BIG DEAL! WE GOT SENT THE COORDINATES DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE LAST 2 HOURS OF NONSENSE TO SET UP GETTING TO THIS POINT

>>212074699
The old canon rules had a simple hierarchy:
1. Movies were the prime canon and whatever contradicted them was wrong.
2. Then came the official novelizations of the movies and TV shows
3. Then came the rest of audiovisual media (ie. vidya) or movie-linked books like the cross-section books.
4. Then lastly the dogshit comics and random disconnected books which could be ignored or embraced at will.

But it was never the mess Disney shills pretended it was, there was a clear canon continuity enforced throughout the movies, official novelizations and cross-sections books and vidya, all of those had official review and were approved by Lucas himself.... nobody cared about the 1980s comic books about Han and Chewie fighting Otter-people or other weird random novels about Luke's clones, these could be safely ignored as their own little self-contained spinoffs.

It worked just fine until Disney came along, Disney somehow managed to create a bigger mess in 10 years than the old EU did in 40 years.

>>212076434
The sad thing is they didn't get the memo that the best way to tell star wars stories is just small scale OC characters fleshing out some of the cool settings that got glancing mention.
The biggest problem with the EU is that EVERYTHING had to involve Han, Luke, and Leia. 3p0 and r2 tag along, and lando has a b plot. It makes this big wide open universe feel small and constrictive because literally nothing interesting can happen unless them, or their kids, or their parents were personally involved in it.

>>212071595
>>212071643
>>212072165
Ok I read it all, thank you for that write up. This shit is more convoluted than old point and click adventure games holy shit.

>>212070137 (OP)
Oscar Isaac deserved the PR team that Pedro Pascal has

>>212076533
The radio plays were in the second tier as well.
They're pretty comfy and well done.

>>212076840
Andor got that memo but I've seen some autists complaining here that it's not real Star Wars because there are no Jedi.

As if the 118 Jedi survivors in the different Filonislop Disney drivel weren't enough.
Some people want Star Wars to be Marvel capeshit.
I guess they got their wish with Disney. Andor notwithstanding, it's just a gem smeared in the shit that is the rest of NuWars.

JIN WON
https://youtu.be/oV1hn6bPC2M?si=HrT6f0Sa2Ig6Ml24

>>212076840
They were literally shown that with the mandalorian and then decided to tie it to all the rest of their bullshit and strangled it to death.

>>212077257
I checked out of star wars back during the prequel era. I watched the sequel and disney movies out of morbid curiosity, but I hate streaming services on general principle and too lazy and uninterested to pirate it.
Its sort of like Nu-Trek. Maybe its good. I might like it. I probably won't, but I just have too much apathy to worry about it too much.
Unironically, it was the pinkett reviews that finally let me process my relationship with star wars and realize its perfectly ok if I don't like something, and I'm not going to let it ruin my day anymore.

>>212077682
The best way to explain Andor is that it's not real Star Wars because Star Wars sucks now. Andor+R1 is the closest media to the OT.

But even then, even if there is nothing wrong with Andor itself, you can't enjoy it because you remember the rest of DisneyWars exists and you can't give your money to a corporation which abused, raped and insulted the fanbase so much. They don't deserve a single penny.

>>212071175
kek

>>212077567
Yeah but I mean even back when george was the guy in charge they were guilty of that same kind of thing.

>>212071892
>once again the EU makes more sense
this kills the wookieepediafag

>>212072091
>entering hyperspace from within the gravity well of a planet
this one is fine, it's always been possible but just isn't safe

>>212074812
this but unironically

>>212076840
Which was the best part of Daala leading the new Gov't and calling out the Skywalker/Solo/Jedi bullshit the rest of the previous Gov'ts had been dealing with in the last big crossover EU book series

>>212070611
The cinematography was the sole good thing about it.

>>212078378
that's not saying much, it was extremely mid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUR3FyO0EA8
It's canon

>>212072968
I feel like him backstabbing Ren was fine but god the way they handled it was mondo retardo

>>212077924
I've divorced a lot of my emotional attachment to most of the fandoms I grew up with. I actually had a proper chuckle when the sequels came out, because I feel like I was watching myself back during the prequels, and seeing everyone going through the same motions, and being able to laugh because I haven't had a dog in the fight for a long time.
>>212078100
Hyperspace works perfectly fine as space-magic because all through the series up until the sequels treated it for what it was, a simple story device to get your characters from one exotic location to another. It had built in dramatic tension because you had to get to a special point to jump which leads to races to the finish line, or your shit failing right as you get to the point, or whatever.
In the sequels they tried to get story devices confused with a plot device.
Oh, shields don't matter because you can just jump inside of them... so what the fuck were you worried about disabling the shields when you could have just flown inside and blowed it up before anyone noticed?
Oh, now hyperspace jumps can nuke and entire fleet and no one thought of it until now? That's kind of silly.
And in revenge of the rising jedi hyperspace skipping (whatever that is) is something you should never do (for some reason) but apparently its just fine and the tie fighters don't hesitate to do it either. And it just becomes stupid, its like any problem they can't solve with the force or light sabers gets fixed by hyperspace.
And adults wrote this shit, and then approved it, and then watched the dailies and said "this is fine."

>>212078334
For me its the OCDONUTSTEELMARYSUE and Muhboi Corran Horn's solo novel.
The background events are happening during the KJA books, and corran has a few moments where he's making fun of how genuinely retarded the decisions being made are.

>>212078898
Stackpole is based

>>212079163
>tfw he mic drops luke by pointing out he was just bait for vader because he was left on vader's home planet with his same last name living with vader's only living family who is submitting himself to the imperial academy while obi wan was jerking off in the shadows waiting for him to show up and get the drop on him
I like that his research for the x wing books was just playing a shitload of x wing. And a few of the missions from the game are the simulations they run in the books if you pay attention to the details.

>>212079163
I preferred Aaron Allston's writing more, but Stackpole wrote Star Wars WAY better than he ever wrote Battletech

>>212079163
his battletech books are peak.

Was Vader angry that the stormies killed his stepbrother? Was he not a good friend?

>>212080467
It takes luke almost getting electrocuted to death to make him feel something besides hates and anger.

>>212080643
I think he'd be a bit annoyed they killed the guy who told him Shmi was in trouble. He strangled starship captains for less

>>212080793
It's not like he really had any connection to Owen beyond that, so he probably considered him justifiable collateral in the search for R2

>>212080793
>I... have... to.... save... shmi
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!

>>212081543
yeah but what if uncle Owen was raped first

>>212078008
… what successful low scale low stakes spinoff series did George insist needed to be tied to LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING ELSE?

This literally only happened with the mandalorian.

>>212081907
What ifbyou were raped

>>212076533
One thing I liked about the old EU lore is that people actually respected it. Like how you had Dark Troopers from Dark Forces in Battlefront 2, or Witches of Dathomir from The Courtship of Princess Leia in Empire at War Forces of Corruption. Almost like in the past SW media was made by people who were fans.

>>212082164
I wouldn't do anything, I would just sit there and get raped. And that's what no one did.

>>212080467
>stepbrother/stepsister
You just unlocked something in my head that elevated the prequels to a new order of magnitude of stupidity.

Who the fuck were Owen and beru

>>212070137 (OP)
I have hope that these movies were fake and the real ones continued rey's arc to not be fucking retarded as fuck and luke kicks so much fucking ass.

>>212077924
>>212077257
No one cares about andor. No one ever will. You are shilling into the void.

>>212070448
The last jedi was so fucking dogshit that I've still never seen rise and I probably never will.

>>212083661
>he dropped in to declare two hours later

>>212082774
That's because the old content creators were fans, yes, but also because the story groups and canon experts also engaged in more research and vetting than people gave them credit for.

There was a cohesive narrative across games, movies, novelizations, etc. It wasn't as messy as people retroactively claimed it was. The Clone Wars sorta was the spoke in the wheel that begun to unravel things a bit and Disney killed any sense of cohesion.

I still haven’t seen this movie and I watched the originals and prequels 20+ times. Last Jedi killed my interest in the franchise. Should I ever bother watching it for completionist sake or continue avoiding it.

>>212070137 (OP)
Im the Spy

>>212083957
no they aren't even related don't bother

>>212077257
>it's not real Star Wars because there are no Jedi.
No one said that. Since the PT 99% of the complaints about Star Wars is that there's light sabers everywhere.

>>212084994
>No one said that.
Get the fuck outta here. There absolutely was whining from "fans" that Andor didn't have lightsabers or Jedi.

>>212070611
Argue with a TLJ fan and you will soon realize the only thing they are discussing is a single hybristophiliac subplot. They couldn't care less about the rest of the film's plot. They couldn't care less about how little it fits the universe its set in. They couldn't care less about any of the films which came before, which they never watched. It's just ultimately two things:
>akshually it's good Luke is a deadbeat loser
>pls daddy Kylo choke me like the bitch I am uwu
Gradually, I began to hate women.

>>212071288
All the worst aspects of TLJ are the inevitable answers to the retarded setup by JJ.

>>212070611
>all those seething replies lmao

Nothing in JJ Wars would be out of place in JJ Trek. It all seamlessly blends into some kind of Bad Robot JJ cinematic universe. The fake leathers, lens flares, garish makeup (especially on men: huge amounts of rouge and eyeshadow and mascara on JJ men), and cheap matte assets all match a kind of homogenized futuristic aesthetic cribbed from a dozen other '10s sci fi films. It's similar to how you can recognize WETA assets in a fantasy film. But whereas WETA likes to add little touches reminiscent of Earth cultures, Bad Robot prints out the most homogenized slop imaginable. They basically threw out all the interesting artistic ideas of the talented artists at Lucasfilm merely to produce Bad Robot knockoffs of the OT.

This aesthetic is far more anachronistic to the universe than the much derided CGI of the prequel trilogy.

>>212085712
Yes. I hate Rian Johnson for taking a big steaming shit on Star Wars, but I also have to give him props for destroying JJ Abrams' career.

He was given an impossible task (follow up on TFA) and he decided to take a shit on it. A better man may have simply bowed out and refused the job. A scummier man would have tried to salvage it with mediocre results, won some acclaim and coasted on the fact he directed a Star Wars movie even if it sucked.

But not my man Rian, he gave everyone a big fuck you and burned Jar Jar in the process. It's a bittersweet feeling. I don't hate him as much as I hate the rest of the people responsible for this trilogy.

>>212086102
That's the thing, Star Wars wasn't meant to be a static universe but evolve. The PT, like it or hate it, had a very different aesthetic from the OT. Because it's a different time period. It's the Republic era, glitzy decadence, still some optimism and love for art deco style ships, corruption mixed with idealism, whereas the Empire era is cold, utilitarian, efficient but ruthless. Each trilogy has its own identity.

The ST was supposed to bring something new to the table, the New Republic, facing a new threat, but instead they retread old ground with the same older, more tired, beaten down characters and cheap copies of them which were meant to be the new generation of toy sales but actually bring nothing new to the table.

I wanted to see General Solo leading an armada of New Republic battleships against a new threat, not the same smuggler Han Solo from the OT but more tired and beaten down and unceremoniously killed. He didn't evolve at all. To name an example.

>>212086529
>General Solo
That's the trouble; he should have died a heroic death on Endor

>>212086621
That would also be fine by me, the point is the ST did not bring anything new to the table, it isn't original, the way the PT and the OT are.

Nobody wanted another Death Star, another Palpatine, etc.

>>212085712
The worst aspects of TLJ are the shitty humor and AotC-tier casino planet/Holdo plots, neither of which was inevitable.

>>212070611
Last Jedi was garbage

>>212070448
In a vacuum TFA is an okay movie, it's cursed by the fact that the later movies retroactively took a big fat dump on it by failing to correct the issues it had while also ruining every plot thread it left open to be explored in the sequels. If you told a star wars fan in 2015 that palpatine was actually behind everything in the sequels you would have been called a lunatic.

>>212077924
I don't think anyone actually watches trandor.

>>212071175
How did she know where to stand?

>actually the big bad is not-Palpatine
>actually not-Palpatine was an elaborate joke, there is no big bad
>actually the big bad is literally Palpatine
Amazing.

>>212088257
She was connected to the knife because it killed her parents

>>212088526
And it said "a little to the left, no too much, stop here, turn a bit, okay you're good"?

don't worry my fellow disney executives captain phasma will be our next boba fe- ACK

>>212088778
Yeah, a novel revealed it was sentient.

>>212071175
>movie makes it look like it's some ancient sith artifact
>Actually it's was made at most 30 years ago just to let the protag know where the death star landed, but you also have to position it a specific location in one of the many planets in the galaxy to know what the hell it's supposed to associated with.
>>212088526
Yet there was no stylistic direction to indicate that at all. The revel that it was the same knife that killed her parents felt like an after thought

andor and rogue one shows they can do good star wars if they want to
it's a shame what they did with sequels

>>212088824
It's honestly hilarious that Rian went out of his way to destroy all the mystery boxes and plot sets up that JJ left with TFA
>Rey is related to a big name character? Nah she's some nobody
>What's Snoke's back story? Fuck that let's just kill him lmao
>Phasma hunting down Finn? Let's kill her off in the most anticlimactic way possible
>Luke training Rey is just Luke being a cynical asshole for most of the movie
It's like as if Rian made TLJ just to spite Disney only to have JJ clean up after Rian

How did you cocksuckers make this a 150+ post thread?

>>212089221
>andor
>good
The Vader scene at the end was kino, everything else was a snoozefest.

>>212089420
Yes that's why I can't fully hate him, in a way it was based. See >>212086184

>>212089179
No no, not where the Death Star landed, you have to go to the specific piece of wreckage OF the Death Star that's landed in the ocean, and then go to a specific cliff and look through the dagger so that it points you to the tower where the Emperor's throne room was, which is still completely intact on the piece of wreckage, and thus you can go to the throne room and find a secret room in it where there is a beacon that will take you to Exegol where his secret secret base is.
It's foolproof.

>>212089583
>The Vader scene at the end was kino, everything else was a snoozefest.
I guess that is an appropriate viewpoint of an original trilogy lightsaber autist

>>212089420
>>Rey is related to a big name character? Nah she's some nobody
This was a fucking good thing. She SHOULD come from nowhere, from no one important.

>>212088424
It feels like that many words when you hear it in the movie. WTF were screenwriters being paid by the word?

>>212070611
yeah that entirely pointless casino planet was kino!
>t. retard

>>212077166
He ALMOST got it.
In fact, I'm pretty sure they're floating the wrong guy.

TLJ left such a sour taste in my mouth I will NEVER see TRoS.

>>212070448
Not really. TLJ was the reason people started realising how hollow TFA was. TLJ was an absolutely terrible movie and thoroughly despised. Everybody expected TROS to be shit after seeing it.

>>212090214
And TFA pretty much established that her parents were not going to be part of the story and closed that story window. Only for Rian to abruptly reopen it, then reclose it for no reason.

>>212092439
You don't get to play this game when TROS made her Rey Palpatine

>>212075733
The end of Rogue One was embarrassing fanfiction and you should be ashamed of your opinion.

Somehow jesus returned

>>212070137 (OP)
>He disappointed BILLIONS!

>>212070448
I got up and left the theater for TFA when Han Solo died, I didn't watch the rest of the movie until TLJ came out (and I torrented both)

>>212070448
>People justifiably rag on the ending of the story for being dreadful but sometimes I feel like people forget how awful the middle and beginning of the story were.

>>212070137 (OP)
This is the most retarded meme ever because in the very next scene it's said Palpy got cloned.
I honestly believe people who post this meme are subhumans with negative IQ.

>>212070448
Nobody forgets how shit TLJ was. Even the revisionists are well aware of how shit it was, otherwise they wouldn’t keep trying to force a narrative change whenever they think people might mellow out.
TFA gets a semi pass because it’s not so aggressively shit as TLJ, but also because it’s so insanely boring that nobody will ever sit through it in order to reevaluate it. It may have put a bullet in the ST’a kneecap from day 1, but the sheer tedium is its biggest crime

>>212071175
This is some Goonies-level shit. Wait a minute...

>>212095927
kek trvked

>>212070448
I was cautiously optimistic for TFA despite JJ helming it until the trailer threw the black face at us right out of the gate. At that moment I knew it could never be good and that Star Wars was done as a franchise.

I still went and saw it. When the crawl started there were a few claps and cheers but the theater was very low energy despite it being opening weekend. Maybe 4-5 people laughed or chuckled during Poe's extremely cringe You Talk I Talk? speech. When Poe and Black Man were stealing the TIE both my friends asked what the fuck was even going on. I also noticed by that point that there hadn't been any visible phone screens in the audience but now they were lighting up non-stop. By the time they were escaping in the Falcon people were just talking to each other. I think only two people cheered when Han showed up and said "We're home!"

In retrospect it's amazing Disney Wars has limped on as long as it has. I don't know anyone who liked the sequels or even cares about Star Wars now.

>>212071288
Good questions, for another time.

>>212092439
No, it really didn't.

>>212070611
Literally the worst movie I've ever seen and the reason to why I've only seen two movies that has been released since then.