Thread 212097518

holy kino

>"I... I'm racist?!" gets destroyed by exposing his retarded prejudices and meekly responds to reason
most unrealistic part of that movie

1. Prince of the City
2. The Hill
3. 12 Angry Men
4. Fail Safe
5. The Verdict
6. Network
7. Before the Devil Knows You're Dead
8. Long Day's Journey into Night
9. The Offence
10. Murder on the Orient Express

>>212097564
Everyone turning away in disgust is what took me out of the movie. The fuck? no way. C'mon now. This group of fuckers? Being all "No this guy is way too racist for ME". Didn't buy it for half a second.

>>212097699
>Dog Day Afternoon not only undeserving of Lumet's #1 spot, but entirely absent from a top 10
I hate you retards so goddamn much.

>>212097730
>>212097564
I don't think the guys that much about him being racist, just that every single arguments from the racist guy were made because of his prejudices, at least that's how I saw it.

He got a murderer off. His arguments were entirely circumstantial and he illegally brought more evidence not presented at trial (knife). Jurorer 4 should have solo'd the entire debate and at least brought it to a deadlock. At no point did he bring the case against the kid down to a "reasonable" doubt given the evidence presented. Good movie though

>>212097564
>>212097730
>wait... the movie isn't racist like I am? it's acting as if the racist character is a bad person?! it surely has nothing to do with how illogical this character is being... THIS MOVIE SUCKS!
lul

>>212097772
I just saw it as an incredibly uncaptivating moment in an otherwise captivating movie. But perhaps you're right, my opinion is certainly brought on from a very low expectation of the opinions of people from that era.

>>212097798
Sorry didn't mean to trigger you.

>>212097743
Dog Day Afternoon, The Anderson Tapes, Q&A, A View from the Bridge, Family Business etc are all good films as well just not in my top 10 Lumet. He has an outstanding filmography it's not a slight to have one of his films in the 11-15 range

>>212097860
How old are you? What do you do for a living? What is your favorite type of marmalade?

>>212097889
I'm only 30 kek did you assume I was some old cunt just because I like Sidney Lumet? Some people just appreciate kino

>>212097860
>>212097923
bot or brown confirmed. thanks for sharing either way you unconscious brain, you.

If you think this jury is retarded just think what it’s like now

>>212097518 (OP)
worst movie ever made

>>212097828
The whole film culminates around him continuously being a massive retard and concludes in his completely sperging out. It's not about him "being le heckin racist" it's about him being retarded. You read the scene wrong. It has just as much to do with him being racist in order to justify his retardation as it does with him sperging out about his kid. The whole scene is about him being an emotional tard.

>>212097730
>There are people who watch a Hollywood movie presuming it would not contain a social commentary in line with the establishment principles of gay race communism.

>>212097956
Nope to both you spastic. Dog Day Afternoon is a very good film but not having it in my top 10 doesn't make me wrong. I love Al Pacino but Dog Day Afternoon simply isn't on par with his best performances. And Justice For All, Carlito's Way and The Godfather are vastly superior

I am sick of ignoring the most crucial piece of evidence.

You seriously don't remember anything about the fucking movie you saw.
You don't remember the location of the movie theater.
Not a single actor.
Not a single event in the movie.
Not even a badly worded
>it had this black haired guy with this pencil moustache and he was dancing with a blonde girl in front of some sort of pond and there were ducks

not one god damn thing.
bruh when it's your only fucking alibi you better start trying to remember something.

>>212098023
>>212098033
I feel like I've failed to properly express my feelings on that character and scene. I'll just shut up I lack the media literacy everyone else has my bad.

>>212098087
What /tv/ threads did you read last night

>>212098130
You literally wrote you found it hard to believe that a (((Hollywood))) movie would not condemn racism or in this case prejudice against a lower class ethnic person. A mission hollywood has committed to since who knows for how long.

>>212098130
Oh come on, go ahead and state your case. I'll listen.

>>212098257
>>212098274
I didn't write that but okay. I concede anons. I agree with you both now. You're right.

>>212098295
You're a sadist!

>>212098295
It is okay, you have accepted your place, now go to your nearest reeducation centre to get your copy of the Approved Criticism™ of the film.

>>212097772
>just that every single arguments from the racist guy were made because of his prejudices
Wrong, this is jewish programming and brainwashing
Talk to any leftist boomer and they'll make 1000 excuses for why (insert non-White racial/ethnic group here) act the way they act and it's never their fault. In fact it's usually White peoples fault somehow. It's literal jewish no uing they've been doing for centuries

>>212098087
He DID remember all of those details though, at the trial. But not when he was arrested. That was a major point in the movie. Whether it was reasonable for him to remember those details under great duress.

>>212098524
Why are you capitalizing white? Tired of this idpol tumblr runoff

>>212098626
You mean after he got his lawyer to look up what movie was showing at that time.

>>212097699
1. Fail Safe
2. Network
3. Dog Day Afternoon
4. 12 Angry Men
5. The Deadly Affair
6. Prince of the City
Of the ones I've seen. I'm curious anon, why do you rate Prince of the City so high? I thought it had good performances but overly long and insipid.

>>212099330
Why are you a fag? Are you trying to pretend Hollywood was never woke now?
Basically after the red scare was over when jews had to pretend to be human they just went right back to their faggot propaganda until you got to what we have today
You can literally see this shift in Hollywood TV and and movies from the 40s and 50s to the 60s

>>212100390
Interesting anon where did you read this

>>212098087
>The one juror who brings up that point can easily recall ever major detail about a movie he recently saw
>"Right, but can you tell me the name of the cousin of a character actor you saw in one shot of the third trailer before a movie you went to see 5 weeks ago?"
>"W-w-well I- I don't really r-recall..."
>This shuts him up permanently
Absolute bullshit that they just let that slide, as though it's reasonable to be able to provide literally no information about a place you were at mere hours ago

>>212100447
>Second Red Scare (1947–1957)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare
>12 Angry Men (1957 film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Angry_Men_(1957_film)

>>212100335
The performances, NY setting, tension, dialogue and the ending were all phenomenal. It was one of the first Lumet films I saw so maybe that's why I rate it higher than some but it's a great film. The Hill is a very close 2nd I did just rewatch it recently. Most of Lumets films about fighting against injustice/corruption I absolutely love

>>212100502
>1957
>1957
at last I truly see…

>>212100335
Also it's based you have Fail Safe at No.1 Henry Fonda was incredible and the sound of the phone going dead+his stare was so haunting. I still don't get the Matador stuff. I'm sure there's video essays/explanations for it but I like to make my own interpretations

>>212100578
Only 9 years younger than your country of Israel lol

>>212097699
ahem

>suspect bought a knife identical to the one used to kill his father he hated and had a heated argument with and coincidentally lost it, all in the same day he was murdered
Come on, he's guilty. The juror being able to find another knife like it proves nothing. This without even considering all the other evidences.

>>212098087
It's strange for multiple reasons. It's like Lumet, the scriptwriter and the filmmakers are arguing against the existance of a movie. If the point is how easy it is to totally forget any random movie you've ever watched, being totally apathic to the whole event, do you not reach the conclusion that movies are completely worthless and you shouldn't make them. What kind of actor would ever take a role where it's presented as a positive thing when a movie is 100% forgettable. Does it not go against their line of work, their passion?

>>212097518 (OP)
The kid absolutely killed his father, the circumstances obviously point to him, who the fuck else was it, a thrill killing by someone with an identical knife who marched up to an upper level apartment to kill a random middle aged poor person?
Juror bend over backwards to poke tiny holes and manipulate the others and let a murderer go free

>>212100468
>>"W-w-well I- I don't really r-recall..."
It's even worse than that. The juror actually does recall the information but they somehow consider it a "gotcha" since he gets it partially wrong

https://thelampmagazine.com/issues/issue-23-trinity/honest-dishonesty-12-angry-men
Through debunking of the film by a law professor. A must read.

wouldn't this movie be much better if Henry Fonda acted as an attorney and it was set out in a trial? then the audience could act as a jury and decide for themselves if the kid aws guilty or not

>>212101781
If you want a traditional lawyer film from Sidney Lumet watch The Verdict

>>212101815
is it woke?

>>212100560
Fair enough. I love Lumet for his sense of tension and people buckling under pressure, which I think is his best quality as a director. Probably explains why our tastes are different. It's such a shame, you don't really see that style in cinema anymore, the sweat, the stress; it's a lost art.

>>212101241
And why is this Juror so invested anyway?

>>212102424
he searched for true justice

>>212102071
I mean there's only 3 female characters with a decent amount of lines from memory and one black guy so no very much not woke kek

>In this reboot of a classic film, Peter Fonda returns to jury duty in 2025 a much older and wiser man, deciding the fate of Karmelo Anthony, a young black criminal who stabbed a white teen in broad daylight, on video, at a track meet. Having spent years regretting his 1957 decision to defend "those people", he is now faced with his worst nightmare; 11 liberal white woman jurors who behave exactly the way he did in his youth. Now it's up to Fonda once again, to be the lone holdout in a hostile room. Will he be able to seek justice for Austin Metcalf and give Karmelo the electric chair? Will he risk his city erupting into BLM riots and flames for convicting an obviously guilty violent felon? Or will he cuck out and vote to acquit like the stupid cunts he has to deal with?
>This summer, don't miss... "11 ANGRY WOMEN"

>>212097518 (OP)
>"Listen, he probably did it but we can't expect them to live up to our standards of law and order being that hes a minority. So let's let him go"
White Guilt: The Movie

>>212101241
>a thrill killing by someone with an identical knife who marched up to an upper level apartment to kill a random middle aged poor person
haha yeah that would be crazy

>>212097699
>No Pawnbroker

>>212102647
>gay porn isn't gay porn as long as actual White people are in it
interesting strategy

>>212102876
lol that's actually a pretty good idea except it wouldn't be impossible to write a believable movie of 11 liberal white woman changing their minds.

>>212102876
The fact this isn't satire and is exactly what would actually be made in nu Hollywood just shows how far deep in clown world we are lol

>>212103154
>>212103423
nu-Hollywood would never make a movie that demonizes a black person, even if that black person was obviously a cold-blooded murderer.

>>212102934
Wrong as usual Ivan
>>212103423
No Ivan there isn't a movie about karmelo anthony

>>212102483
True justice is letting a murderer go free?

>>212097730
Yeah same. White people back then were way more racist than what they are now, and were pretty open about it even.

>>212104153
true justice is seeking out the possible truth beyond reasonable doubt

I watched clips of the movie in high school English class, and thought that none of the extremely farfetched doubts that Fonda cast seemed to be reasonable. By the end of the class I thought that Fonda was just a manipulative scumbag. My English teacher got mad at me for saying so, and gave me a C- on my essay.
I had only seen bits and pieces of the film before watching the whole thing in one sitting about a month ago. Initially as a teenager, my only takeaway was that Fonda was a huge liberal douche and I still thought the kid was guilty. But once I was done watching the entire thing from start to finish, I'm actually convinced that Fonda's character was a psychopathic genius. He was the one who murdered that guy, and he was there to taunt the legal system.
Seriously, go and watch the movie again, but this time go into it with the knowledge that Fonda's character is a Hannibal Lecter-level, high IQ killer who actually murdered that guy just to see what would happen, and now he's on the jury trying to fuck with people for fun. The movie, and his character's motivations start making a lot more sense when you see him as a sick bastard who gets his rocks off by going to bad neighborhoods and killing random minorities, then acting sanctimonious and defending the very people he's framed.