> Avatar filmmaker James Cameron has criticised Oppenheimer, calling Christopher Nolan’s lack of focus on the effects of the atomic bomb on its victims “a moral cop out.”

>>212107317 (OP)
>Are you telling me our patented "GOOK NUKER 9000" was used to...hurt LE HECKIN WHOLESOME AND VALID JAP-ERINOS?!

James Cameron's filmography is dogshit in comparison to Christipher Nolan what the fuck is he doing talking about films in 2025?
>inb4 muh box office numbers
Inception and Memento dogwalk every film he's ever made

The concept that fucking Cameron of all people are being presented as some kind of auteur is actually laughable. Like sure his films were interesting but they weren't exactly visionary in the way they were shot or written.

Aliens and terminator 2 both borrowed from original concepts. Avatar is just a mid-series star trek plotline with a modern film budget, Titanic is propped up entirely by roastie hags and their faggy enablers etc.

Nolan in comparison is as Michaelangelo to Cameron's Damien Hirst.

>>212107641
>>212107719

HELLO SAR

>>212107768
>no director has ever taken inspiration from other films/media

Fucking dumbass

>>212107317 (OP)
Someone tell this old geezer to shut the fuck up and go back to his Smurf movies.

>>212107641
>>212107719
I'm not a Cameron simp but Nolan is a mediocre director. All his dialog scenes are the most boring shot-reverse-shots, he doesn't know how to creatively block actors and he cuts way too fast. His only saving grace is his meticulous focus on VFX, which look great on IMAX. Of course Cameron has his own faults, namely Avatar.

>>212107768
I haven't even watched either of those and I know instinctively that Cameron is a marvelous producer of slop. Highly entertaining slop but slop nevertheless.

>>212107641
This but unironically.

>>212107830
Oh, so it's bad when Cameron does it, but good when Nolan does it?

Oppenheimer was the worst movie I've ever seen. No joke, not trolling. It was so god damn boring and fucking smug.

>>212107860
Mediocre in the current climate is practically revolutionary anon.

cameron is a fucking bitch ass pussy

>>212107900
I'm gonna guess you'd rather just watch that Barbie movie.

>>212107903
Not really. Current day Scorsese blows Nolan out of the water when it comes to making shots visually interesting. At least he knows how to block.

>>212107898
That's not what I said. My original post was that Inception and Memento are better films than anything Cameron ever directed which is true. Even Nolan's mid level films like The Prestige and TDK absolute shit on Aliens, True Lies and Avatar

>>212107898
I'm the one who was calling Cameron unoriginal. You're responding to the wrong anon if that's the point you're trying to make.

>>212107952
Weird assumption that person must watch movie at the cinema the time it came out.

I would rather play Half Life 1 or watch Alien

>>212107966
Scorsese doesn't make movies for the modern audience anon. This isn't a bad thing.

>>212107996
> Not bringing up alien isolation.
You came so close to greatness anon.

>>212107768
Is that.... A movie... Copying another movie?? This cannot be...

>>212107898

>>212107641
What's the cultural impact of Nolan's filmography? Dialogue from Terminator and Aliens is still quoted regularly

>>212108313
"you're a big guy"

>>212108313
Soiennials and Zoomers grew up watching nothing but capeslop because Nolan made Dark Knight.

Cameron has got some nerve talking about morals, given he takes cash to publicly praise dogshit movies

>>212107317 (OP)
>>212107343
>The movie doesn't talk about enough about what the bomb did to people
It wasn't about the bomb. It was about the guy who made it.

>>212108084
Good art doesn't copy. It steals.

>>212108371
the dark knight is from 2008 chadlennials were already grown up

>>212108558
I'm talking mentally.

>>212108139
BASED

>>212108543
Not always the case. The Greeks and Shakespeare invented most of the tropes that Hollywood uses, but the originals are still much better.

>>212107641
Cameron's worst film is better than Nolan's best film so no

>>212107317 (OP)
>Im gonna make blue cat tree-hugger movies and talk shit about movies that are not mine
What happened to you, Jim?

>>212108678
>Shakespeare invented
Shakespeare stole all his comedy tropes from Italian Commedia dell'Arte theatre, and his Roman plays like Julius Caesar and Antony and Cleopatra from Plutarch.

>>212108313
>>212108711
Hi James. Feel free to fuck off out of New Zealand anytime you like. My country doesn't want your old bitch ass

>>212108734
He really became pathetic by the end of the 90s. Just a trashy, whiny, moralizing faggot who hates the society that made him successful.

>>212107317 (OP)

>>212108734
Disappeared so far up his own ass he started hallucinating about Smurfette.

>>212107768
Calling Nolan a plagiarist when Cameron literally plagiarized terminator is fucking hilarious

>>212108931
Form that day, he's had it in for the British.

>>212107768
>Clips of inception with the ghibli filter
What were you trying to prove here?

>>212111674
Anon...

>>212107317 (OP)
What does that even mean? Does anyone here speak Retard and can translate?

>>212111957
He's saying Nolan made a movie about a man feeling guilty over something the movie doesn't show happening.

>>212107343
>victims
They were the enemy. They deserved it. A moral cop out is prerending otherwise.

Oppenheimer def just wanted to nakba germans and live the high life with his new friends btw there'd probably no source that could convince me otherwise. I am a dumbass however

>>212111957
it insists upon itself.

>>212107317 (OP)
>WHY DIDN'T THEY SHOW THE JEWELERY HEIST IN RESERVOIR DOGS?? WHAT A MORAL COP OUT!
-Jim "The Hack" Cameron (1992), probably

>>212107719
>Titanic
Not saying he took inspiration from this comic but yeah, here I said it

>>212114888
qhat kind of onionslent do you have to be on to think that the specifics of what the bomb did is common knowledge & not thematically relevant

>>212108491
>wasn't about the bomb. It was about the guy who made it
Read this again, slowly.

>>212115112
actually this was a retarded comment and I regret it seconds later

>>212107900
I went to see it a second time just for the opportunity to rip a fart during the silent test scene

>>212107641
Imagine actually having taste this shit.>>212107719
>Like sure his films were interesting but they weren't exactly visionary in the way they were shot or written.
Written, no, shot yes.

>>212107343
The movie was about Oppenheimer and the Manhattan Project. Was it supposed to cut away and show Japs getting vaporizer and the cliche post nuke footage maybe with some Sarah McLachlan music. I really hate boomer hippies like Cameron and Lucas

They are both overrated slop merchants.

>>212115198
You're not getting what I'm saying. The movie focuses on things in Oppenheimer's life affected by the bomb and his own character rather than the bomb and its effect on the world. People complaining that the bomb got less focus than Oppenheimer didn't understand what they were going into. I knew going in it was gonna mostly be about him because I knew the history of him how he was treated by the US government.

>>212115531
He's just mad they didn't pay him to clip in the the chain link fence getting nuked from terminator 2

>>212108711
BASED

>>212110176
The plagiarism accusations were quite far-fetched. In one story, soldiers were mysteriously sent back in time, while in another, a robot and a soldier were deliberately sent to the past with a specific mission.

>Eighteen hundred years in the future, two infantrymen clash on a battlefield. A random energy weapon strikes both and they are hurled into a time vortex. While one soldier is temporarily trapped in the time limbo, the other, Qarlo Clobregnny, materializes in an alley off a city street in the United States in the year 1964.


VS

>A cyborg assassin called a "Terminator" is sent back in time from 2029 to 1984 Los Angeles. It resembles a human male and is programmed to hunt and assassinate a woman named Sarah Connor. Separately, a human soldier named Kyle Reese simultaneously arrives, intent on stopping the Terminator.


entirely different premise and story

he whining about nukes is so hilarious. Japan was an aggressive state that invaded and occupied Korea (1910–1945), China (starting with the invasion of Manchuria in 1931 and the full-scale war from 1937), the Philippines (1941–1945), and Indonesia (1942–1945). During these occupations, Japan committed numerous atrocities, including the Nanjing Massacre in 1937 where an estimated 200,000 to 300,000 civilians and prisoners of war were killed, the forced labor and sexual slavery of “comfort women,” and horrific human experiments conducted by Unit 731, a covert biological and chemical warfare research unit responsible for the deaths of thousands.

>>212116094
>comfort women
Every east Asian army up to that point has institutionalized army prostitures, presuming they were paid semi decently the idea that they were sex slaves is stupid

>>212115485
Go to bed James

>>212115934
>>212116004
>in one story the time traveling soldiers wore green and in the other they wore blue
Jimbo, Jimmy, Jimaling, you are a thief and a coward!

>>212107317 (OP)
lmao, it's funny seeing these two directors pitted against each other in this thread, anons have some pretty strong opinions on both.

might as well throw in Denis Villeneuve, Matt Reeves, Robert Eggers into the mix

>>212116347
do you know what premise and plot are?

>>212107719
lolwat. He created Terminator and Aliens and he wrote the script for Rambo 2. 3 of the most ripped off movies ever made.

>>212107543
4chan never dissapoints in making me laugh

>>212116666
You're quite right they were ripped ripped, ripped off from much superior and original sauces. Jimbo's a hack!

>>212115207
Been there

>>212116666
>and he wrote the script for Rambo 2
Is this real life?

>>212107317 (OP)
Christopher Nolan is a mainstream hack whose true trick is to make dumb people feel clever. The Dark Knight was filled with exposition to lay out the motivating philosophy so plainly that anyone could understand. Oppenheimer was a ponderous bore whose absence of consequence was supposed to say something in the exploration of Oppenheimer himself but ultimately it had nothing interesting to say beside being a dull biopic. (And the fact he tricked a bunch of normies into seeing it at IMAX is hilarious.)

Meanwhile James Cameron, who really built the modern action movie genre, has proceeded into making Avatar movies for the fucking Chinese/International market that are pure unadulterated slop, wholesale ripping off ideas from places.

>>212108313
>Dialogue from Terminator
James Cameron was successfully sued by Harlan Ellison the sci fi author for stealing the ideas for Terminator. James Cameon literally told a mutual acquaintance that he ripped off of Ellison's stories.

>>212115934
>>212116004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRXB0h7sf70

>>212115934
>The plagiarism accusations were quite far-fetched
Lol James Cameron told a magazine in an interview he ripped it off and told an acquaintance of Ellison's he ripped it off: >>212117580

>>212107317 (OP)
>Terminator 1
>Aliens
>The Abyss
>Terminator 2
>True Lies
Nolan will never reach this level of kino.

>>212108711
>Piranha II is better than the Pretige

>>212107543
nearly lost my cheerios. well done.

>>212108678
>The Greeks and Shakespeare invented most of the tropes that Hollywood uses, but the originals are still much better.
Shakespeare has the grand total of 2 (two) original plays out of 37 he published, you utter imbecile, the rest are all reinterpretations of preexisting stories. You absolute raisin brain.

>>212112751
So?

>>212112751
Makes sense seeing how Oppenheimer never witness the actual bombings or visited Hiroshima or Nagasaki afterwards. He already understood what it would do and was questioning his morals in helping make it in the first place. Again, it's not about the bomb itself but the man who made it and the events his life that lead to making the bomb and how that effect his life afterwards like how his past communist sympathies made him a major risk in the eyes of the second wave Red Scare America.

>>212119013
This. Fact they didn’t show the bombing of Japan but it kind of loomed over the movie made it a lot better

>>212108139
>average James Cameron remastered rerelease

>>212107317 (OP)
>>212107317 (OP)
I mean it is

He made Oppenheimer innocent.
Oppenheimer and Truman were actually friends until they died the letters are in the Truman museum
Truman never kicked him out of the office or any of that made up shit

>>212107317 (OP)
>That actual nuke you set off? You should've used it on some real japs, you pussy.

>>212107983
ignore him, 56% of the american population are illiterate

Nolan is a Tory and would never consider the suffering of the eye-slanted to be of moral relavence

>>212118115
The plots might have not been original, but the tropes were

>>212107768
Paprika is such trash.

>>212107317 (OP)
>>212107343
>Characters with shades of gray in a biopic!? I'm losing my goddamned mind!!

>>212107317 (OP)
Based jim

>>212115071
he ripped off A Night to Remember, for the most part.

>>212107641
He's a retarded boomer fuck. Terminator 1 and 2 are the only good things he's ever done. Now his brain is permanently fried due to malnutrition caused by veganism.

>>212107719
>>212107641

>>212107343
the fuck was he expecting, Nolan to invent a subplot where oppenheimer goes on a trip to hiroshima to visit the hospital?

>>212107768
paprika is extremely overrated, perfect blue and tokyo godfathers both mog it

also those scene comparisons are all reaching except for maybe the last one

>>212108931
>heh, you think i don't know what i'm doing? listen up everybody, on your day off tomorrow be here at 7 AM so we can all watch my other movie. we can have a q&a session after where you can all ask me about how i made such a great film

yeah no shit nobody showed up, obviously this would have a come off as incredibly arrogant

>Dropped on Japan? President Truman promised me six million dead Germans by tomorrow morning.

>>212107317 (OP)
>director who hasn't had a good movie since 1994 angry at another director's success
Sad

>>212107317 (OP)
It's a dumbass “great man” movie. Meanwhile Oppenheimer himself was completely against this kind of thing. Cameron might make those bullshit Avatar movies, but he's right

>>212118005
this but unironically

>>212107317 (OP)
Cameron is 100% right. Oppenheimer is a cowardly movie which doesn't take a stance and plays it extremely safe.

>this great man was le conflicted and complex and deep

It lacks any sort of emotional depth and skirts about the atomic bombings without actually addressing them.

It's also extremely boring and pretentious, everybody that has seen it was bored to death but hipsters pretend to enjoy it because it's "deep", it's the English Patient all over again.

>>212122461
>doesn't take a stance and plays it extremely safe.
What? It constantly portrays the military and government as corrupt and using everyone for their own means like how he was used by the government and thrown to the side when it suited them. The movie has multiple people say this directly to Oppenheimer's face and the whole movie peaks with him having to defend himself against the NWO he helped create. The end of WW2 now brought about the Second Red Scare and beginning of the Cold War and his commie sympathies of the past made him a huge target when it got out the Russians had moles in the Manhattan Project. He gave them the bomb and was no longer needed, especially with his anti-nuke mentality and leftist thinking which in their minds was anti-America. He was a risk in their minds. Even the general who originally picked him states he wouldn't have selected him using the new methods.

>>212118115
>Shakespeare has the grand total of 2 (two) original plays out of 37 he published
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. What you're saying is a cliche that only midwits or idiots believe.

>Nolan's mindfuck slop is le good.

>>212122784
>McCarthyism was le bad
>Red Scare was le bad
Extremely safe takes.

There is no stand regarding the two nuclear bombings themselves or Opp's role in them.

>>212107317 (OP)
when is his movie about the great rice cooling events going to come out?

>>212121379
He literally did go to Japan, but in 1960.

>>212115531
George is too good for this world.

>>212107860
as a whole i think Cameron is a much better filmmaker considering he generally writes very well made "safe" middling scripts and makes solid movies out of them (Titanic). Nolan needs a gimmick in every movie

the movie is about Oppenheimer. After the bombs are dropped on Japan he basically has an existential crisis about what he helped create. The movie wasn't about the bombings.

Why are Democrats so obsessed with a podcast about UFOs and magic mushrooms? Do they really need to blame every failure on someone else?

>>212107317 (OP)
why are award winning Canadian-American kinomakers always the biggest, most annoying pain in the asses?

>j-words focus on the j-word character and make him the voice of reason and shift blame onto others
yawn. saw that a mile away

don't let that crybaby back in here

>>212107641
James Cameron is undoubtedly better than Nolan.

>>212108313
>I'm only pretending to be retarded

>>212118115
>Muh story muh plagiarism

Fuck it's like you don't understand the concept of prose, or storytelling, of film making. You consume them like popcorn and gain no sustenance because you are not equipped to digest them.

>>212107966
too bad he keeps hiring the same geriatric actors to put in his visually-interesting shots