Never been refuted.
Never will be refuted.

>>212122399 (OP)
This is a retarded fanfiction, Anon. Lucy needs to be brown and ugly to appeal to modern American audiences.

>>212122399 (OP)
>spends most of the movie getting his ass kicked and bailed out by others
>about to miss his shot and get blown up by anakin until obi wan tells him to turn on aim hacks and he listens
retard

>>212122399 (OP)
actually if luke was a cute anime girl like in your pic i would be totally ok with it

>>212122399 (OP)
This was refuted when you posted the same thread the other day, tranny.

>>212122399 (OP)
Can’t wait for you to get bullied out of your own thread and start a new one in the hope it goes better

>>212122399 (OP)
Yes men are more capable on everything than women. I don't understand your confusion

reminder that nu-Star Wars doesn't have any fans, never will have any fans, and won't be remember by anyone, other than old fans who are still annoyed by the ugly negro and the forced female protag that ruined a billion dollar franchise.

>>212122399 (OP)
>the definition of "mary sue" has been reduced to "woman who does improbable thing"
dead internet theory wins again

>>212122399 (OP)
Men are more capable than women, secondly Luke was already lined up in the Imperial Academy and knew the rebel pilots from Red Squadron before Yavin 4 in addition to the control scheme for the T-16 and T-65 being identical due to a shared manufacturer, which eases things beyond the trench run being like beggar's canyon.

Soijak image propagators need to be euthanized.
And faggot OP, it's been refuted every fucking time you post this shit thread. Kill yourself.

why are there so many dementia threads?

>>212122399 (OP)
Cute or hot girls are fine

>>212123008
You’ll be posting here when you’re memory starts fading.

>Okay, what's 2+2, and don't tell me 4!
OP is a soiboy crybaby

>>212122859
>>212122688
Since when is real life relevant to storytelling? The average human is a weak coward who panics at the sight of anything resembling danger.

Fictional characters should be strong, strong enough to make the audience ashamed of their pitiful selves.

>>212122399 (OP)

What´s there to disproof? Having the proper background to justify a character skills is literally that easy but there is a big difference between having it and not having it as far as narrative structure is concerned. Same goes for having objectives, motivations, flaws or contradictions.

Preferably you´d want to show rather than tell like it´s done on the phantom menace. Anakin blowing up the droids control station is only plausible because of the race but i guess Lucas didn´t have that kind of money back in the 70´s. And yet he still managed to convey the information.

Comparatively Rey had no past, she just happened to be able to take down 3 ships in one shot. Because she is a girl. That´s lazy writing and should not be encouraged or naturalized. Want to make a strong female lead? By all means do so but write her properly. I know they don´t want to take notes from Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Buffy Summers, Beatrix Kiddo or even Alita because they were all written by men but there is a reason why those characters work. The hero´s journey´s is not more than 2000 years old for nothing.

>>212122399 (OP)
>If I ignore information presented in the film and insert my on fan fiction I can win online arguments.

How's this normally go for you?

>>212122399 (OP)
This fucking thread again. You’re a faggot anon

>>212122399 (OP)
Absolute slander, the chud would fall in love with female Luke

>>212122399 (OP)
he jobs all the time you sheboon

>>212122399 (OP)
Both are terrible main characters though

>>212123442
Always,if your story doesn't reflect reality it's trash

>>212123735
The best stories have zero basis on reality.
Star Wars is a great example of it, just look at the laughable weapon design, because they are utter creative bankruptcy, just toys of WWII guns with some bits moved around

>>212123735
Luke is the mirror opposite of real people though.
He's brave, heroic and develops skills useful to pull off those feats.
That's not how people really are, real people are lazy, they are cowards, they don't have any useful skills and have zero ambitions, they just work and watch mediocre media on their TVs.

Real people are an awful inspiration

>>212122399 (OP)
This was thoroughly debunked by The Critical Drinker.

>>212122399 (OP)
its just misogyny. theres no point overthinking it.
many of these people are upset because they cant feel attracted to a female character.

>>212122399 (OP)
Off the top of my head:
>Luke is told his father was a heck of a pilot, his Aunt and Uncle die giving him motivation, Obi Wan gives him some brief training, Luke states he is a good pilot too, Obi Wan guides him and Han/Chewie assist too.
While Rey:
>Knows all about ships because she is a scavenger, that's fair, but then also knows how to fly ships well despite not being a pilot and then also fights with a lightsaber for the first time against a more experienced, but injured, opponent and uses the force against him too.
One has mentions and a progression through the story and the other can just do things. So much so that they added a training scene in the third movie with Leia just because of the criticisms.

>>212123833
don't see what case you're trying to make at all
>>212123997
seems like you're a really incapable piece of shit that's projecting

>>212124989
it's really misandry that compels a defense of horrid writing and ugly cast

>>212122399 (OP)
Yea I hate women and voted Trump so he would take away their rights, and?

>>212125252
No, that's just how humanity is.
A realistic MC would be hated by everyone.
It's also why I hate the idea of representation, people don't deserve to be represented or to feel reflected, if they were the main character of an adventure like Star Wars the bad guys would win easily.

This is why it doesn't matter if the MC is male or female, they are already going to be unrealistic for taking part of such a journey instead of instantly pussying out

>>212125325
>voted Trump so he would take away their rights
Pfffff, this guy thinks the US is controlled by it's president and not by Israel.

>>212123442
>The average human is a weak coward who panics at the sight of anything resembling danger
Well see anon, you're making the mistake thinking that all the other people are like yourself. They are not.

>>212122399 (OP)
rey can get it right the first time and do everything without training
luke had to learn

>>212125519
Yes they are, look at the world, everyone losing it over ideology and yet nothing happens.
Lazy and cowardly, a realistic Luke would have just stuck to being a farmer until he died of old age

>>212122399 (OP)
>why yes, I'm a retarded teenage girl, how could you tell?

>>212125604
Heroes have always existed throughout history anon, but all of them had a journey, like luke. Nobody woke up one day like ray and start shitting up thunders out of their ass

>>212122399 (OP)
Girl Mark Hamill is exactly my type

>>212125860
And real people wouldn't dare start the journey to begin with and would have panic attacks in any situation where their lives are at risk

>>212123442
oh shit, this man's got a point

>>212122399 (OP)
dilate

>>212125068
i mean rey could've flown ships around at one point on sand world. her character was hardly established, like at all.
at least with luke, we know
>he works on farm
>he wants to go to toshi station to dick around with his friends
>he has a family, etc

with rey it's nothing but a few seconds of her sitting inside a heap of scrap and scratching numbers on a wall and her bringing scrap in. she has a speeder, and thats it, no friends, nothing. nu-writers dont understand even basic characterization

>>212125469
i love when idiots like you talk about storytelling as if you're experts in the field and spout these absolutely abhorrent opinions

>>212125972
>real people wouldn't dare start the journey to begin with
You don't know that until you present them with a challenge that will force them to move towards that direction.

>>212126309
You can't prove me wrong, plenty of situations in this world that could use a hero like Luke, but there aren't, because real people are useless.

>>212125557
yeah bro like when he blew up the death star by eyeballing it after knowing alec guinness for a whole day.. oh wait that's like the exact same thing
star wars was always shit for babies and manbabies

>>212126424
People nowadays are seeing, or think they see, their worst nightmares come true.
For example some Americans think they are under a fascist government, but even then they don't do anything.
Real people are weak and won't even defend themselves if attacked, they'll just cower, take it and go back to watching movies.

Luke isn't realistic, but that's completely fine because stories like this would fall apart if they even tried to resemble reality.

>>212126582
Luke literally flys in a straight line and presses a button when the force tells him to. If he'd beaten Vader in a dogfight first your argument might have some merit.

>>212122399 (OP)
to be fair, a new hope was not actually a good movie.

Pink Five did all this and more.

>>212125972
>>212125604
>>212125469
post more kino fashion

>>212128063
Alright

>>212122739
excuse you, george ruined his own franchise

sure OP but if youre gonna have a Mary Sue they should do cool stuff, Rey never does anything cool.

>>212122739
the deeper you look into the the sequels the worse. I think most people dont need star wars to be anything but competent to enjoy it, but the sequels are so bad its hard for anyone to do so, especially after TROS. ive seen more people come around to shit like The Acolyte than the sequels

He didn't take on vader himself, he needed help with that. He was about to get his shit rocked.
What made him successful was using the force, not his own personal superskills as a flier. In fact it's never once suggested that he's a better flier than the others.

>>212123149
>Cute or hot girls are fine
Why do they refuse to accept this?