The great debate

>>212132141 (OP)
A CHALLENGER ENTERS

>>212132141 (OP)
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They’re not even slightly similar movies. Anyway Last Temptation is amazing

>>212132141 (OP)
Isnt scorsese's considered problematic by Christians? I've only seen The Passion

why are jewish cult leaders like this?

>>212132281
/thread. Passion is a pretty straight forward portrayal of the gospel narrative while TLTOC is a more artistic interruption of how Jesus viewed his own human nature in battle with his divine. Both are made by cathcuks tho who will be tossed into a lake of fire.

>>212132141 (OP)
One is new age blasphemy that feels like a tv movie, the other is a masterful cinematic adaptation of the Passion of Christ.

>>212133377
Retards like yourself don't know what 'artistic' means. There's absolutely nothing 'more artistic' about projecting utterly retarded, secular ideas onto Christ. Or, what, you think this stupid movie is 'more artistic' than every crucifixion altarpiece? What makes something artistic is the quality of the art involved, and Mel Gibson beats Scorsese here.

>>212132141 (OP)
The Last Temptation might make sense if youre catholic, and I know hes catholic, but the idea that Jesus was sexually struggling and wanted to fuck Mary is borderline heretical and not hinted at anywhere in the gospel. Its somewhat plausible but not to the extent that its worth dedicating half a whole film to.
Side note I did have a funny viewing experience with it watching it with a hardcore reformed christian dude, he was nitpicking each scene for accuracy and acting super fucking smug about it and basically ragequit half way into it before the crucifixion and when the angel offers jesus to leave me and a friend burst out laughing cus our christian friend would have had a heart attack out of pure rage like pic related

>>212133912
well said

>>212133368
they aren't, Yahusha was Yahu'Dim, the modern jewish identity is fictitious. And no other "jew" defied death thus proving their claim, he proved the resurrection is really going to happen and gave his own life to show we have nothing to fear. If he was some kind of warrior king or conquerer like mohammed you might have more of a point but your twisted secular morality only works if he didnt defy death and give his own life as demonstration.

>>212134231
>ravvi yeshua

>obey me as god or I'll torture you. also give all your money to peter.

lol

>>212134231
>if he didnt defy death
He didn't.

>>212132141 (OP)
Last Temptation is genuinely interesting, Passion is just a dry retelling. You may as well just read the source material.

>>212134514
You're the same type of person that thinks Shakespeare plays have to be set in a 21st century rave to become 'interesting'. Definite midwit opinion.

>>212134791
You'd be incorrect in your assumption.

You know I'm something of a Messiah myself...

>>212134837

>>212134231
God is punishing Palestinians for their wickedness. Why they keep being btfo over and over

>>212134113
You're an idiot and Jesus' sacrifice only works if he was both man and god.

>>212138847
That doesn't mean Jesus was sinful you fucking idiot. Stop projecting your secular, egalitarian liberal nonsense onto God. Jesus is better than you, he's not a relatable loser who has doubts and is fallible. The desire to bring divine things down to a human level is pathetic and disgusting.

>>212139268
>>212134113
I haven't watched the Last Temptation but Jesus felt human emotions. Him feeling attraction isn't sinful, it'd be sinful if he was actively thinking about wanting to fuck her. So unless that's what happened in the movie then nothing here is heretical.

«THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST» (1988) IS ANTICHRISTIAN DRIVEL; «THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST» (2004) IS THE BEST CHRISTIAN WORK OF CINEMA IN HISTORY.

>>212134791
Romeo and Romeo (2025)
The Tempenist (2025)
Much Ado About Huge Cocks (TBA)

>>212140287
PD

>all these anons pretending to be christians
embarrassing

>>212140287

>>212140834
Who here is pretending anon?

>Being a Christian in 2025
>Churches are beyond redemption
>Pagans are the majority and do wicked things and stupid things daily
>Losing family members and friends solely for believing Jesus
>People hate Jesus without even knowing Him
>Synagogue of Satan is leading us to World War 3 by destroying Christian identity forever

I'm kind of disillusioned about being in faith. God allows such evil to roam freely.

>>212141181


THE CHURCH WILL PERSIST TO THE END OF TIME; THOSE WHO CHOOSE CHRIST WILL BE SAVED; THOSE WHO CHOOSE SATAN, DAMN THEMSELVES: THAT IS HOW IT IS.

>>212141181

Religion is for the profoundly bored and uncreative.

>>212132141 (OP)
>schizophrenic cult leader thinks he is God and gets publicly executed for it, like a million petty criminals before and after him
>christcucks make this out to be le hecking worst thing that ever happened to a person ever
You know there are worse forms of torture and execution than crucifixion, right? Some guy in mexico that pissed of a cartel leader or something is propably going through worse shit than Jesus right in this moment

Should I watch the last temptation or is it blasphemous nonsense disguised as a "novel take" on the Passion?
I was baptized Orthodox and apparently the movie makes sense from a Catholic point of view?

>>212141397
Blasphemy isn't a real thing. Some Jews wrote a bunch of words and you wasted your life believing them, the best time to become agnostic is right now.

>>212141379
Crucifixion is one of the most painful ways to die especially since it was preceded by flogging which was so violent it could expose internal organs. On top of that Jesus carried the cross
At some point physical pain reaches a threshold and I'm not sure being burned alive or being cartel'd is quantitatively, measurably worse than other extremely painful ways to die. Christ's Passion had a psychological element to it too and His hematidrosis in Gethsemane is a testament to that, the point is that He went through extreme, excruciating physical and mental torment

>>212141422
May God bless you and save you

Stop watching Hollywood garbage. Watch something good for once like The gospel according to Saint Matthew

>>212132244
>>212132271
These 2 are the real debate

>>212141472
If he's real then he killed my family, so I'd prefer he stay away thanks.

>>212141456
>the point is that He went through extreme, excruciating physical and mental torment
He did, but so did millions of other people that don't get worshiped for it

>>212132141 (OP)
>last temptation
Blasphemy.

>Passion
Kino.

>>212141456
If God is all powerful how can he feel pain? Is Jesus's pain reception the result of evolution or is he God as some necromancy of meat that ignores biology?

>>212141639

Christ is both man and God. The human part of him feels pain.

>>212141639
Jesus Christ is both wholly man and wholly god. If you dont understand this go and read an orthodox explanation

>>212141680
So if Jesus is in heaven and stubs his toe he feels that? Or does he not feel pain in heaven because the man that he is is no beholden to the rules of heaven?

>>212141689
Heaven is not how it is depicted in movies where it's just a paradise you live in eternally as you would normally on earth, heaven is a completely different state of existence than everyday life

>>212141741
Yeah it's 75% Africans, obviously it's not going to be quiet or anything.

>>212141689

He was incarnate on earth as both man and God but his resurrected body is different. It is one that will allow human beings to live in heaven with Christ being the example and the doorway. Being in the true presence of God would perhaps destroy a human being and therefore Christ creates a gateway by which human beings can become closer to him.

>>212132141 (OP)
Both the same Jewish shite

>>212141764

I should say we will all be resurrected bodily when heaven and earth become one during the second coming.

I am a transwoman, how can I balance my desire to worship Jesus with the feeling that he made a mistake?

>>212141873
Accept that you are wrong

>>212141909
Doesn't the church want to reconcile the Latest and Greatest Science with faith/religion?

>>212141873

By dealing with your own mistakes using Christ as inspiration. Just understand that our corruption comes from being separate from God.

>tfw accepted Christ in 2019 and baptized in 2023
>Lost all my friends and family members
>Lost my sanity, committed to psych ward
>Lost my jobs
>Losing my savings every single moment

>The only consolation price is to see nonbelievers suffer and stumble in their wickedness

>>212134113
It's not based directly on the Gospels, it's basically Jesus fanfic by Kazantzakis. There is even a disclaimer at the beginning of the film.

>>212141181
Christ did say being a Christian wouldn't be easy. Men do terrible things because man is inherently selfish. The Church has survived worse.

>>212142123
Ah yes, I am suffering so bad with my exceptional life of earthly delights while you kneel and whisper words to a man in the sky.

>>212142123

I dont know your circumstances but all I know from my own experience is that people wont stay by your side forever (even family) and you cant expect them to no matter what the greeting card philosophy says. The only thing I have in this world in my darkest hours is Christ. He is a silent partner and sometimes i struggle with that but at other times find comfort in it. I drift away from time to time and always have a compass which brings me back in a chaotic world.

>>212142123
Based schizo

>>212142194
lol get a cat, you fruit.

>>212142216

Cats and Dog's dont love you. Its more like they are compelled to be with you we mistake their stockholm syndrome for love and affection.

>>212142247
Yeah their love isn't real, Jesus isn't really god, congrats on figuring it out.

>>212142287

In your world there is nothing to figure out and it doesnt matter if your right or wrong.

>>212142330
You get your rules from the most edited book ever, with not a sentence in that couldn't have been written by a mediocre man, but sure, judge me.

>>212142347
>but sure, judge me.

Im pretty sure you were the first to do that. You feel very confident in yourself and how other people should live whilst disparaging others if they should criticise your own worldview.

>>212141297
Autists aren’t ensouled

>>212132141 (OP)
only one was good enough to make half a billion and get the director banned in Hollywood (imagine thinking mel was banned for that DUI and not for making close to a billion showing jews killed Jesus)